Open thread: Senate to vote on Gang of Eight bill at 5:30 ET; Update: Cloture passes; Update: 67-27; Update: Full roll added

posted at 4:41 pm on June 24, 2013 by Allahpundit

To be more specific, they’re voting on the bill plus the Corker/Hoeven amendment. My prediction: 72 yes votes, despite the phony border-security “triggers” and despite the fact that the bill now reeks of “Cornhusker Kickback”-style buyoffs to bring fencesitting Republicans on board. No matter. Schumer’s goal was 70 and I expect he’ll get it, which will help him with his exciting new “there’ll be mass demonstrations if the House doesn’t pass this thing” talking point.

Did you know that amnesty for illegals is a “civil rights” issue? You do now:

“This has the potential of becoming the next major civil rights movement. I could envision in the late summer or early fall if Boehner tries to bottle the bill up or put something in without a path to citizenship — if there’s no path to citizenship, there’s not a bill — but if he tries to bottle it up or do things like that, I could see a million people on the Mall in Washington,” Schumer said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

Schumer said business leaders, evangelical leaders and CEOs of high tech companies would join the public call for action by the House on immigration.

He’s kidding himself if he thinks that summer will bring pressure on the House to pass, rather than kill, the bill, but never mind that. Just let it sink in that this tool, who’s supposed to be Republicans’ chief partner on bipartisan kumbaya immigration reform, and whom Lindsey Graham can’t praise highly enough, is already threatening to demagogue them into oblivion if they don’t do his bidding by passing the Gang of Eight bill or something very much like it. Do you suppose we’ll see this tactic again five years from now, after the bill passes, when Schumer decides that he’d like the path to citizenship to start sooner than scheduled? I don’t know if he’s got the muscle to get a million people in D.C., but he’s got something.

The vote will be carried live on C-SPAN 2, so tune in or click here. I’ve seen a bunch of posts around the blogosphere today claiming that this is a career-ender for Marco Rubio. It should be, but it isn’t. And the reason it should be isn’t just the substance of the bill itself but the deceit he practiced on this subject to get elected. But let’s be real: If we were willing to nominate John McCain, who’s every inch the amnesty shill Rubio is if not more, then we’re going to at least consider nominating Rubio, notwithstanding today’s clusterfark. (Didn’t we nominate the guy who signed RomneyCare into law too?) Rubio may well be the best retail politician in the field come 2016. He’ll argue, credibly, that he’s the GOP’s most electable candidate, which will appeal even to some righties who are angry with him now. He’s lost some conservative votes irretrievably (like mine), but as I’ve reminded you more than once lately, it’s not the people like you and me who follow politics by the hour who choose the nominee. It’s the low-information voters and the wealthy Republican Super PACs who influence them, and Rubio will have plenty to tell both of those factions. Bear in mind too that if the House ends up killing this bill, which is quite possible, then Rubio gets the best of both worlds — he’ll have proved his pro-immigration bona fides by shepherding the bill through the Senate and he’ll bear no political responsibility for the failings in practice of a bill that didn’t pass. Not only that, but once immigration is off the table, Rubio will tack hard right on some hot-button issue or issues in order to remind conservatives that he’s really one of them at heart. There’s probably no Republican in America who will work harder to pick fights with Obama than Marco Rubio come 2014. How will you feel about him after he spends 12-18 months doing nothing but throwing roundhouses at The One? All he needs to do is win the nomination, and then guys like me who choose to protest this fiasco by staying home on election day will become the Enemies of Conservatism for not holding our noses and voting for him in the interests of defeating his Democratic opponent. Rubio knows what he’s doing.

While we wait, read Jonathan Strong’s piece at the Corner quoting various former Rubio supporters on how disappointed they are. Whatever. We’ll all fall in line in due time.

Update: Once you’re done with Strong’s piece, page through the data from Pew’s new poll on immigration. Two numbers jump out at me at first glance. First, while tea partiers overwhelmingly say that illegals should be allowed to apply for legal status only after the border is under control, non-tea-party Republicans are split evenly between that position and allowing illegals to apply while border improvements are being made. That’s exactly what I mean when I say that Rubio’s career isn’t over. He’s got a big headache among conservatives, but not all Republicans are conservatives. By a long shot.

Second, when you do a deep demographic dive by age, race, gender, region, education, etc., on when illegals should be allowed to apply for legal status, only two of the 16 groups listed here show more than 50 percent support for suspending legalization until after the border is under control. One is conservative Republicans, the other is African-Americans, a rare alliance when most of the rest of the electorate is on the other side. More data here:

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Update: It occurs to me that I wasn’t 100% clear in the post that today is a vote on cloture, not on the final bill. The bill doesn’t technically pass the Senate today, but obviously if it gets 60+ for cloture, it’s going to get 51 on the final vote in a few days. I think all of our readers understand that but if any didn’t, hopefully they do now.

Update: The vote’s still open as I write this at 6:20 ET, but they’ve got more than enough to invoke cloture. I believe the tally right now is 66 votes. Schumer wants 70. Stay tuned.

Oh, by the way: CBO announced just before the vote this afternoon that Corker’s and Hoeven’s amendment will increase the cost of the bill by $40 billion. Never mind that, though; CBO isn’t allowed to estimate the entitlement costs of amnesty 30-40 years from now, so it’s not worth taking its deficit estimates on this seriously.

Update: Can’t find an updated roll as of 6:30 but TPM’s Benjy Sarlin says he thinks there are 69 yeses so far with one or both of the Republicans from Georgia, Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson, somehow delayed. At least one of them is likely to vote yes. If Sarlin’s count is right, that’s the magic number for Schumer.

Here’s a list of R’s so far, via the boss emeritus. More may be coming:

Update: Reid finally cut the vote short at a few minutes before 7 p.m. ET. Final tally: 67-27, but I believe at least a few of the six senators who missed it where likely yeses. Schumer’s going to claim 70 votes in principle even if they weren’t official. I’ll post the roll as soon as it’s available.

Update: As promised, here’s the roll. The six senators who didn’t vote: Republicans Saxby Chambliss, Johnny Isakson, Mike Lee, and Mike Enzi, and Democrats Sherrod Brown and Mark Udall. I assume both Dems would have voted yes, and WaPo had both Chambliss and Isakson as “potential” yeses. Figure at least one of them would have caved. There’s your 70 votes.


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Please post a link to the names of the Republicans who vote for this monstrosity.

obladioblada on June 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Marco Benedict SchmuckO Rubio

Hasta la vista baby. . . . .

De Oppresso Liber on June 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

If we were willing to nominate John McCain, who’s every inch the amnesty shill Rubio is if not more, then we’re going to at least consider nominating Rubio, notwithstanding today’s clusterfark. (Didn’t we nominate the guy who signed RomneyCare into law too?)

President McCain and President Romney have something in common, I just can’t recall what it is? /

sharrukin on June 24, 2013 at 4:45 PM

30 pieces of Silver coming our way.

portlandon on June 24, 2013 at 4:45 PM

All I want is the list or Republicans who vote for it. It’s a given it’ll pass the Senate, I just want to note for whom I’ll never cast a future vote.

BKeyser on June 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

I called my Dem senator, Mark Pryor (D-AR) and his staff said he’s voting for it because “it’s good for the country”.

Evidently he is willing to throw away his career for this crap just like Lincoln before him did with Obamacare because this bill is not good for AR or America and he doesn’t care that we Arkansas are opposed to it.

Tom Cotton for Senate!

Charlemagne on June 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Scott Walker. That is all.

cdog0613 on June 24, 2013 at 4:47 PM

All of these GOP Senators must go.

They will self identify within the hour.

faraway on June 24, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Last.
Nail.
RIP my beloved country, now known as the
” islamic rebublic de mehico-el norte “

burrata on June 24, 2013 at 4:47 PM

You have to vote for it to find out what’s in it…

sandee on June 24, 2013 at 4:47 PM

If I had any hope for America, it’s gone now.

gryphon202 on June 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

No Allah you’re wrong.

I fought the sitouts and the stayhomes here in 08 and 12.

This betrayal by the GOP and Rubio in particular has sent me not to the apathetic “meh” position but to Plan B.

Plan B is if Marco Rubio thinks he will gain more Hispanic votes and dilute the conservative place in the GOP, if the GOP allows this attack on the American working class to stand, and they allow this gift this outright make a wish gift to the democrats to land on Obama’s desk then I will indulge the McCain gang precedent and join them in joining the democrats.

I will vote straight ticket D until the McCain gang is gone and disrupt the fissures in the democrat caucus with my primary vote.

The GOP will not ignore my desires and pull a Tony Blair on US Conservatives as they defanged the Tory party.

Congrats Marco enjoy the champagne you’re gonna blow the party apart amigo.

harlekwin15 on June 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

The Senate needs Term limits ASAP.

2 terms.

Then flush.

portlandon on June 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

While we wait, read Jonathan Strong’s piece at the Corner quoting various former Rubio supporters on how disappointed they are. Whatever. We’ll all fall in line in due time.

Speak for yourself, AP. I’m done with Rubio. And if this passes Congress, I’m done with the GOP.

while tea partiers overwhelmingly say that illegals should be allowed to apply for legal status only after the border is under control, non-tea-party Republicans are split evenly between that position and allowing illegals to apply while border improvements are being made. That’s exactly what I mean when I say that Rubio’s career isn’t over. He’s got a big headache among conservatives, but not all Republicans are conservatives. By a long shot.

Perhaps, but the Republican Party cannot survive without strong support from conservatives. If they don’t believe me, pass this bill.

Doughboy on June 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

To every U.S. Senator who votes FOR this bill
to dismantle America

EAT SH*T AND DIE.

EVERY DAMN ONE OF YOU!

ToddPA on June 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

One is conservative Republicans, the other is African-Americans, a rare alliance when most of the rest of the electorate is on the other side.

So why doesn’t GOP embrace that.

the_nile on June 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

May the bill and they go down to Hades.

Schadenfreude on June 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

It would be hard for a man who just allowed himself to be bent over by Chuck Schumer live on TV to win the nomination in 2016.

A Balrog of Morgoth on June 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

All who’re for this travesty are traitors to the land, to the rule of law, to the legal citizens and producers.

YOU all deserve the lowest layer in Hell.

Schadenfreude on June 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

To be more specific, they’re voting on the bill plus the Corker/Hoeven amendment.

To be even more specific, and cynical, let’s just call this the senate referendum on joining Latin America that it is.

abobo on June 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

National Divorce time.

nobar on June 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

What is the Freaking hurry on this?????

Galt2009 on June 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Marco, Aeroflot has an empty seat to Havana waiting.

Christien on June 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

May Rubio suffocate from eating Schumer’s Beluga caviar.

Schadenfreude on June 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

May all their mistresses give them the clap.

CurtZHP on June 24, 2013 at 4:52 PM

The more things change….
http://oi40.tinypic.com/2s8prnl.jpg

whatcat on June 24, 2013 at 4:52 PM

If I had any hope for America, it’s gone now.

gryphon202 on June 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

That’s becoming a common sentiment…

Galt2009 on June 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

What is the Freaking hurry on this?????

Galt2009 on June 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Because 0bama only has between now and 2014 to cement a permanent dem majority with which to run the country into the ground.

CurtZHP on June 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

The last days of Rome…

Seven Percent Solution on June 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Did you know that amnesty for illegals is a “civil rights” issue?

Every black in America s/b offended by this.

They were brought to the US as slaves, against their will.

The illegal aliens broke the law to illegally enter/stay in the land.

Schadenfreude on June 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

In public, if you personally see Marco Rubio, tell him off, like Ben Nelson in a pizza restaurant.

beatcanvas on June 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Gillibrand’s jealous that Schumer’s got a new bitch…

mjbrooks3 on June 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

tingles must be a thrillin by now…

dear leader showed true leadership, isn’t he awesome
-tingles once this boondoggle passes

cmsinaz on June 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

What is the Freaking hurry on this?????

Galt2009 on June 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Maybe the drug cartels and jihadis have threatened to withold their ” contributions” ?

burrata on June 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

This afternoon’s Senate Vote will be the biggest betrayal of the American People since Obamacare.

kingsjester on June 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Tom Coburn just used the word “undocumented”. Idiot.

faraway on June 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

BOTH of my senators better be ‘nays’. * Cornyn-I’m talkin’ to YOU!*

annoyinglittletwerp on June 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

I called Durbin and Kirk today. Kirk’s office had the decency to tell me that they have had a substantial number of phone calls. They couldn’t say which way, because of privacy issues. I burst right out laughing, and apologized for my rudeness. I said “privacy” according to the IRS or the NSA? I did ask if Kirk read the bill, he wasn’t sure, I said you DO know that border security isn’t effective until 2017? He did not. I asked him to inform the senator as such.

Meh, he’ll still vote for it, he is a co-signer to it. I gave him points for voting against cloture the last time. Points removed this time, because he will vote for it.

herm2416 on June 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

ToddPA on June 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

well said

cmsinaz on June 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Now correct me if I’m wrong, but this is to end debate, not passage?

nobar on June 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

AP said:

First, while tea partiers overwhelmingly say that illegals should be allowed to apply for legal status only after the border is under control, non-tea-party Republicans are split evenly between that position and allowing illegals to apply while border improvements are being made. That’s exactly what I mean when I say that Rubio’s career isn’t over. He’s got a big headache among conservatives, but not all Republicans are conservatives. By a long shot.

Pew’s polling is at odds with every other poll, which shows overwhelming support for enforcement first. Probably biased wording in the question.

Jon0815 on June 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

What SWalker said.

And I hope the Twerp-termed newly-minted citizenry are the folks who do it.

M240H on June 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Buying people off can not make them loyal to your country. Just ask the British about the Hessians.

kingsjester on June 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

faraway on June 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

figures….

he really thinks this will get them the hispanic vote….

dream on idiots

cmsinaz on June 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Well, the State Run Media wanted this…you know they always have the people’s best interest in mind. But, really, what idiots trusted Schumer?

d1carter on June 24, 2013 at 4:56 PM

He’s got a big headache among conservatives, but not all Republicans are conservatives. By a long shot.

The charlatan can go to Hades, and his adherent traitors too.

Schadenfreude on June 24, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Schadenfreude on June 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

all hail dear leader

only if this was happening under a gop president would they be outraged

cmsinaz on June 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

What is the Freaking hurry on this?????

Galt2009 on June 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Maybe the drug cartels and jihadis have threatened to withold their ” contributions” ?

burrata on June 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Makes you wonder what the NSA has on some…

Galt2009 on June 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM

martin bashir just said that ‘undocumented immigrants’ paid over $10 billion in taxes so that clearly give them the right to have a pathway to citizenship

idiot

cmsinaz on June 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

The poll is for adults. It’s not confined to citizens. People who are not registered to vote or are at least American citizens should not be polled.

Rose on June 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Buying people off can not make them loyal to your country. Just ask the British about the Hessians.

kingsjester on June 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Or those that belong to the muslim faith.

RickB on June 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Got right through to Mark Kirk’s staff in DC. Call your congress critters, voice your opinion. They may not listen but they will hear you. (If that makes any sense.)

Fallon on June 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

In their self-absorbed Political Greed, America’s professional politicians are setting the stage for the possible fall of our nation.

kingsjester on June 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

The Senate is lost & has been.

We need to start calling every House member to not take up this bill. Only way to defeat it. If anything that Boehner is putting up is passed, then it will go to conference and we’ve lost then.

I called all of my House members last week.

bluefox on June 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

yep, what a brilliant idea…

When the President has established an anti-growth agenda, especially as regards energy production, which undergirds all growth, let’s add tens of millions of -in the net- non-taxpayers. And let’s subsidize their Obamacare.

M240H on June 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

If Rubio thinks that his base can be supplemented by amnestied illegals who can’t vote in lieu of conservatives, I’ve got a bridge that he should really check out.

blammm on June 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

martin bashir just said that ‘undocumented immigrants’ paid over $10 billion in taxes so that clearly give them the right to have a pathway to citizenship

idiot

cmsinaz on June 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

And how much do they take back in taxpayer-funded goodies? Since Bashir wants keep a tab.

Doughboy on June 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

What is the Freaking hurry on this?????

Galt2009 on June 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

The sooner it’s passed, the sooner it’s past. They need as much time as they can get for you to forgive and forget and vote them back in.

ROCnPhilly on June 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

martin bashir just said that ‘undocumented immigrants’ paid over $10 billion in taxes so that clearly give them the right to have a pathway to citizenship

idiot

cmsinaz on June 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

It didn’t put any bread on my table, that’s what I’d tell that p.o.s.

bluefox on June 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

“there’ll be mass demonstrations if the House doesn’t pass this thing”

This sounds like a threat…there may be trouble.

d1carter on June 24, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Perhaps, but the Republican Party cannot survive without strong support from conservatives. If they don’t believe me, pass this bill.

Doughboy on June 24, 2013 at 4:48 PM

+100

NOMOBO on June 24, 2013 at 5:05 PM

The sooner it’s passed, the sooner it’s past. They need as much time as they can get for you to forgive and forget and vote them back in.

ROCnPhilly on June 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

I think they’re gonna need as much time as it takes for me to have enough snow to ski in Death Valley….

harlekwin15 on June 24, 2013 at 5:05 PM

who can’t vote
blammm on June 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

This is not directed at you, aaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

MontanaMmmm on June 24, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Doughboy on June 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

he never got around to that, natch

bluefox on June 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

he’s an idiot

cmsinaz on June 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

What is the Freaking hurry on this?????

Galt2009 on June 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Because the more the American people learn about this crap sandwich, the less they like it.

TarheelBen on June 24, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Got right through to Mark Kirk’s staff in DC. Call your congress critters, voice your opinion. They may not listen but they will hear you. (If that makes any sense.)

Fallon on June 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Good for you. They do keep a yes or no list.

Someone mentioned stopping by a District office. I think I’ll do that since we have one in my town. Couldn’t do it today, family issues.

bluefox on June 24, 2013 at 5:07 PM

There is a goddam path to citizenship already! It’s called “naturalization,” and the Rio Grand Swim Team illegals who are here now are too lazy to utilize it. Screw them. They are walking insults, every last one of them, to everyone who came here and did it correctly — including my Irish and German ancestors!

gryphon202 on June 24, 2013 at 5:07 PM

You are wrong, Allah. rubio will not be able to win an R primary.

Perry couldn’t win after his “you wingnut racists don’t have a heart”(paraphrased) comment. Romney had to run as a border hawk to win. rubio will be infamous for a long time.

And you can’t compare RomneyCare and ROmney to rubio and the gang.

Romney might of passed the model that was ,years latter, used by Obama but Romney didn’t vote for Obamacare. Romney distanced himself from Obamacare. rubio CAN’T distance himself from this Amnesty.

Rush is right that the beltway consultants have fooled the idiot Rs into thinking that this is a winner. COME ON RUSH and LEVIN. What’s wrong with you? Are you being blackmailed? Are there photo’s of rubio on top? it’s time to call out the Rs by name and RUBIO in particular.

BoxHead1 on June 24, 2013 at 5:07 PM

photos

BoxHead1 on June 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM

May any GOP yeas be the epitaph on their electoral tombstones. Any who survive primaries I will at least stay home, if I don’t go full HondaV65.

crrr6 on June 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

I called my Dem senator, Mark Pryor (D-AR) and his staff said he’s voting for it because “it’s good for the country”.

Evidently he is willing to throw away his career for this crap just like Lincoln before him did with Obamacare because this bill is not good for AR or America and he doesn’t care that we Arkansas are opposed to it.

Tom Cotton for Senate!

Charlemagne on June 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Hopefully this will be the last nail in Pryor’s coffin, whether the bill makes it through the house or not.

bw222 on June 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

The GOP isn’t going to change until it is purified. By now, it looks like that involves some “let it burn” pain and rebuild, using tea party modeling. I understand the risks, but, we’re heading that direction, anyway.

a capella on June 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

I’ve wondered all along if Rubios’s gambit is exactly that, whereby he publicly pushes for a bill he knows is doomed in the House in order to appeal to Latinos and defang the inevitable attacks on this point later should he become the nominee.

But, that tactic isn’t foolproof. Look at the hammering Rick Perry received during the primaries for supporting the, er, Tardasil vaccine, even though it didn’t pass. And frankly, Perry had a lot more going for him than Marco will come ’16.

changer1701 on June 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

only two of the 16 groups listed here show more than 50 percent support for suspending legalization until after the border is under control. One is conservative Republicans, the other is African-Americans, a rare alliance when most of the rest of the electorate is on the other side.

Conservative Republicans and African-Americans are racist
:O

burrata on June 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

martin bashir just said that ‘undocumented immigrants’ paid over $10 billion in taxes so that clearly give them the right to have a pathway to citizenship

idiot

cmsinaz on June 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

I’m sure every one of his 100 viewers pay close attention to every word the little dickbreath says. The rest of us–not so much.

NOMOBO on June 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Illegal Immigrants do not respect the laws of our land, to begin with. Why would that change, if they were given the rights of citizenship?

kingsjester on June 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Jackassery on parade.

Cindy Munford on June 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM

ot: wolfie and dana—-irs also targeted liberal groups as well…well now this will get airplay since it also targeted liberal groups
/

cmsinaz on June 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Illegal Immigrants do not respect the laws of our land, to begin with. Why would that change, if they were given the rights of citizenship?

kingsjester on June 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM

How come so few conservatives are talking about the naturalization process we have in place, and that many thousands of legal immigrants spend years waiting for?

gryphon202 on June 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM

NOMOBO on June 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

heh

cmsinaz on June 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM

If we were willing to nominate John McCain, who’s every inch the amnesty shill Rubio is if not more, then we’re going to at least consider nominating Rubio, notwithstanding today’s
clusterfark. (Didn’t we nominate the guy who signed RomneyCare into law too?)

McCain was never the public face of the bill the way Rubio has been, going on every radio and TV show imaginable and lying through his teeth.

bw222 on June 24, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Is this a vote on the bill or merely a vote to limit debate. Or is there a difference?

davidk on June 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

How come so few conservatives are talking about the naturalization process we have in place, and that many thousands of legal immigrants spend years waiting for?

gryphon202 on June 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Because the National Chamber of Commerce and other pro-amnesty organizations own many of these so-called conservatives.

bw222 on June 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

gryphon202 on June 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM

I don’t know. This farce of a bill dishors all the preceding generations of legal immigrants who came here and became Americans, contributing to our nation, and fighting and dying for our flag.

kingsjester on June 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Lifelong Pub. now will become a lifelong dem. May as well get the real del up front. At least I know they are pushing communist agenda and not being sneaky about it.

they lie on June 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Just think, if we live long enough, we’ll get to see this again in 10 or so years…

d1carter on June 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on June 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Welcome back. You were missed!!!

Barred on June 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Both of my Senators are going to vote NO on this POS bill.
I will call them to register my utmost support for their position.

NOMOBO on June 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Lifelong Pub. now will become a lifelong dem. May as well get the real del up front. At least I know they are pushing communist agenda and not being sneaky about it.

they lie on June 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

By switching parties you can use the primary process to push egotistical Hispanics into seats currently held by hippie marxists…

if I am gonna have marxism I may as well have cute Latinas

harlekwin15 on June 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Schumer is lying thru his teeth. “Illegal immigration will go down. GDP will go up.”

davidk on June 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

If we were willing to nominate John McCain, who’s every inch the amnesty shill Rubio is if not more, then we’re going to at least consider nominating Rubio, notwithstanding today’s
clusterfark. (Didn’t we nominate the guy who signed RomneyCare into law too?)

If the Republican party nominates Rubio, it’s finished.

ROCnPhilly on June 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

I don’t know. This farce of a bill dishors all the preceding generations of legal immigrants who came here and became Americans, contributing to our nation, and fighting and dying for our flag.

kingsjester on June 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Both of my grandfathers fought in WWII and were the children of immigrants. My maternal grandfather was a farmer most of his life and the son of homesteaders. My paternal grandfather, as did his Irish father before him, worked on the railroad during the era in which it was the backbone of American infrastructure pre-interstate highways.

Armed guards on the border. Build that wall and keep ‘em out at the point of a gun, if need be. That’s the only way gubmint is going to prove to me they are serious about preserving American sovereignty.

gryphon202 on June 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

COME ON RUSH and LEVIN. What’s wrong with you? Are you being blackmailed?

BoxHead1 on June 24, 2013 at 5:07 PM

In a way. I hope AP is wrong, but this doesn’t finish Rubio in 2016. They don’t want to burn their bridges with him if he becomes the GOP candidate.

Cruz, if he runs, will be about the only candidate who vocally opposed this plan from the jump. Paul did too, but his objection came late and was rather tepid. Cruz and Paul will neutralize each other, and the rest of the candidates will say they would have supported this plan – or at least not criticize Rubio too harshly for it.

crrr6 on June 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

NOMOBO on June 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

i’ve got mccain and flake
sigh

cmsinaz on June 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Sen. Schmuck invoking the CBO report makes me want to vomit. It’s no different than Obamacare. The ten year estimates that they cite are only deficit neutral/positive because the expenses come well after the added revenue (in this case, entitlement payments come after multiple years of tax payments).

blammm on June 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Just think, if we live long enough, we’ll get to see this again in 10 or so years…

d1carter on June 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Nope. the fix is in and done. America is over. Looking toward 2014, let alone 2016, is useless. They have effectively taken over. they have won. This bill doesn’t matter. It is over.

davidk on June 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

And how much do they take back in taxpayer-funded goodies? Since Bashir wants keep a tab.

Doughboy on June 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

FAIR estimates that it is well in excess of $100 billion.

bw222 on June 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

I think we need to start looking at other options. What would happen if 30M people cheated on their taxes, reducing their liabilities to $0?

crrr6 on June 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Already contacted the other Texas senator, and I know how Cruz will vote. I just feel so helpless. It is not a good feeling either.

jazzuscounty on June 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

BOTH of my senators better be ‘nays’. * Cornyn-I’m talkin’ to YOU!*

annoyinglittletwerp on June 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

He is and WELCOME BACK!

gophergirl on June 24, 2013 at 5:20 PM

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