Immigration reform doomed?

posted at 12:01 pm on June 24, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The Senate will continue its deliberations this week on immigration reform, including a key vote today on a border-security amendment that runs more than 1,000 pages.  The amendment dropped on Friday, which means that Senators spent the last 48 hours closely perusing the text.  Right?  Er, not exactly:

Democratic senator Ben Cardin admitted that he won’t be able to get through all of the Corker-Hoeven amendment, though the Senate is set to vote on it Monday afternoon. The bill, which runs nearly 1,200 pages, is seen as a virtual rewrite of the Gang of Eight’s legislation, aimed at strengthening border security measures to bring more Republicans on board.

“I can’t tell you I’ll read every word,” Cardin said over the weekend. The Maryland senator added that he “already read a great part of the bill,” and will “closely scrutinize” any changes to border security.

Bob Corker sent out a statement yesterday that only 119 pages are new material, though.  Much of the amendment replaces text in the original bill with identical language:

“I’ve seen reports of a ‘1,200 page bill’ no one has read or had time to read.

To be clear, the tough border and interior enforcement provisions that Senator Hoeven and I offered on Friday make up 119 pages added to the 1,100 pages that have been public since May,” said Senator Corker.

He said the Hoeven-Corker amendment “mandates an unprecedented surge of security at the southern border, implements tough interior enforcement to curb de facto amnesty, and helps prevent abuse of federal benefits.”

He also said he wanted to “clarify misleading reports that Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano would not be required to build an additional 350 miles of fencing along the southern U.S. border under the Hoeven-Corker Border Security amendment:”

Senator Corker said, “I don’t know how to make it any clearer. If the Hoeven-Corker amendment becomes law, 10 years must pass and there must be 700 miles of pedestrian fencing and 20,000 additional border patrol agents along the southern border before a Green Card is issued to those with RPI status.  Reports that say otherwise are misleading.”

Will that matter?  Not according to National Journal’s Fawn Johnson, who declares immigration reform dead for the year no matter what happens this week in the Senate.  The House isn’t even close to having a bill to even debate much less take a vote to approve, and the calendar suggests the lower chamber never will:

After senators get the bill done – probably in time to make their weekend barbeques — they have a weeklong July 4 break. And then they get to wait for colleagues on the other side of the Capitol who will have four weeks – four weeks – to deliberate before Congress takes off for an even lengthier recess in August. Once Washington meets autumn, immigration falls off the priority track thanks to the reemergence of fiscal crisis.

The House Judiciary Committee has yet to tackle the most difficult issues on immigration—what to do with the current undocumented population and how to handle the future flow of low-skilled immigrants. There are no signs that the committee is working on any such bills. We don’t know who would sponsor them or, on the off chance that someone actually puts pen to paper, that such measures could even get out of committee.

What about the House floor? The best hope for the immigration legislation to continue moving forward would be an “immigration week” in the House in July, in which members vote on several different bills to set up a far more conservative proposal than the solution posed in the Senate.

That means there will be no companion bill to match up against the Senate’s immigration reform before the recess.  What happens when everyone returns in September?  Congress has to face the debt-ceiling issue and pass a budget, which will be all the more complicated because of the coming ObamaCare mandates:

When lawmakers return to the Capitol in September, they will be facing another financial crisis as they debate raising the country’s debt ceiling. The four- to six-week countdown toward extreme limitations on government payments to Social Security or military operations will do two things: It will suck all the life out of any deliberative legislative effort, immigration included, and it will polarize the political parties. It will be far from fertile ground for the biggest immigration overhaul in 30 years.

There are two ways in which this gets bypassed.  One is for John Boehner to simply put the Senate bill up for a floor vote, but his GOP colleagues would strongly resist that — regardless of whether it would pass or fail.  Either way, it creates risk for Republicans, and they’d be better off developing their own version for Boehner to float.  The other is to pass a more conservative comprehensive bill and throw it to a conference committee, but the House is so far away from that possibility (as Johnson points out) that it would have to be a shell bill.

The situation in the House may well impact the results in the Senate.  Republicans in conservative states may decide that it’s not worth the trouble to support the Gang of Eight if the political damage doesn’t produce anything at the end of the process, while Republicans in moderate states may well jump on the bandwagon without fear that their vote will matter much in the end except on scorecards.

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Immigration reform doomed?

Amnesty Defeated!

Blake on June 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Delay seems to be the best strategery. It’s not unprecedented for one chamber to basically ignore what the other one does. Reid got a ton of heat from House Dems for doing this during the first two years of Obama’s Presidency, the most noteworthy case being the crap-and-betrayed bill which barely made it out of the House and was buried in the Senate.

Doughboy on June 24, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I hope so. At least we know who can be trusted in the Senate.

gophergirl on June 24, 2013 at 12:05 PM

The Hoeven-Corker amendment is complete crap!

It is still amnesty without border security, plus the amendments adds some brand new peachy keen bureaucracies.

How much reading does one have to do, to recognizing shinola from the other stuff?

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:06 PM

No problem……Barry’s got a few EOs ready to sign and implement, and another thing he can pin on obstinate Republican obstruction.

hawkeye54 on June 24, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Immigration reform doomed?

If only.

Steve Eggleston on June 24, 2013 at 12:07 PM

No wammys….no wammys…..

cdog0613 on June 24, 2013 at 12:07 PM

As always with Boehner I’m expecting the worst so that I’m not disappointed when it happens.

LtBarnwell02 on June 24, 2013 at 12:07 PM

The situation in the House may well impact the results in the Senate. Republicans in conservative states may decide that it’s not worth the trouble to support the Gang of Eight if the political damage doesn’t produce anything at the end of the process, while Republicans in moderate states may well jump on the bandwagon without fear that their vote will matter much in the end except on scorecards.

No. These RINO’s in the senate are so stupid that they will stick their finger in our eye and hope that we forget come the next election. And I’m talking about you heller, rubio and the others.

VegasRick on June 24, 2013 at 12:08 PM

The Senate has the media’s adoration as they race to pass a bill that has not been read.

The house is scorned for wanting to pass a bill after deliberating the pieces so there aren’t any surprises.

Its opposite world. Weeeeeeeeeee

Bensonofben on June 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM

So how can a Bill by Senators never be read by a Senator? When it was drafted by lawyers for special interests groups, in this case Hispanic supremacists like La Raza and pro-Muslim immigration groups like CAIR, and handed over in huge sections. Just like Obamacare was drafted by far left think tanks.

pat on June 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

As always with Boehner I’m expecting the worst so that I’m not disappointed when it happens.

LtBarnwell02 on June 24, 2013 at 12:07 PM

I don’t trust him either, but I can’t see him violating the Hastert Rule and just sending the Senate bill to the floor for a vote. And any House bill that’s crafted should theoretically take a very long time unless he pulls a Harry Reid and just rushes something through. Either move would cost him the Speakership though.

Doughboy on June 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

The only thing “broken” about our immigration system is that so may people have by-passed it altogether … That reveals a border security problem before anything else. That does not point to a large-scale overhaul of everything. The “fix” is to protect the border.

Greek Fire on June 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Hey Repubs since you took up this turkey in the first place why not do what the Dems do and table it? Sauce for the goose and all that

neyney on June 24, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Let’s hope it’d dead. But this is laughable:

Senator Corker said, “I don’t know how to make it any clearer. If the Hoeven-Corker amendment becomes law, 10 years must pass and there must be 700 miles of pedestrian fencing and 20,000 additional border patrol agents along the southern border before a Green Card is issued to those with RPI status. Reports that say otherwise are misleading.”

Fenris on June 24, 2013 at 12:11 PM

They are standing at the trough to see who gets what…holding out for a better cut of pork.

d1carter on June 24, 2013 at 12:13 PM

If Corker and Hoeven are afraid that Senators don’t have time to read 1,200 pages of which only 119 pages are new, there’s a simple remedy: ask the Senate stenographer to put all the “new” sections in bold-face font, and the “old” sections in ordinary font, so that Senators only have to read the bold-face section.

Better yet, write the old sections in Spanish.

Steve Z on June 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Immigration reform doomed?

Amnesty Defeated!
Blake on June 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Thank you for correcting the biased headline. If I’m not mistaken, Ed Morrissey supports this amnesty “immigration reform” bill.

This garbage needs to be called for what it is at all times. This is “illegal alien amnesty” and a refusal to secure the border.

The main way this stuff gets support from the public is through misleading descriptions and empty promises.

bluegill on June 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM

The only thing “broken” about our immigration system is that so may people have by-passed it altogether … That reveals a border security problem before anything else. That does not point to a large-scale overhaul of everything. The “fix” is to protect the border.

Greek Fire on June 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Exactly. Just enforce the existing law.

davidk on June 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM

No problem……Barry’s got a few EOs ready to sign and implement, and another thing he can pin on obstinate Republican obstruction.

hawkeye54 on June 24, 2013 at 12:07 PM

A federal district court has already ruled that his DREAM Act by executive order was illegal — but DHS is continuing to process those DREAM amnesty applications anyway (and by process, I mean stamp them “approved” without bothering to read them).

It will be interesting to see what happens with this issue as it winds its way up through the appeals process in the federal court system.

AZCoyote on June 24, 2013 at 12:16 PM

The only thing “broken” about our immigration system is that so may people have by-passed it altogether … That reveals a border security problem before anything else. That does not point to a large-scale overhaul of everything. The “fix” is to protect the border.

Greek Fire on June 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

That, and to make it impossible for illegals to have jobs and get government benefits. Inavailability of both will make many if not most self deport.

Enforcement of both as or more lacking as border security.

But as long as the Left run things in local to federal bureaucracies we can expect little or nothing to be done.

hawkeye54 on June 24, 2013 at 12:16 PM

They are standing at the trough to see who gets what…holding out for a better cut of pork.

d1carter on June 24, 2013 at 12:13 PM

That’s how Obamacare was passed.

davidk on June 24, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Allahpundit @allahpundit Even a candy-ass RINO like me has primary fee-vah over the Gang of Eight sellout

Galt2009 on June 24, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Fenris on June 24, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Everything he said there is a lie. DHS Secretary can nix the fence and change statuses. There are no real timetables, milestones or metrics in the bill and all the illegals become legal right away. Page 30 of the amendment tells us in black and white that Incompetano can do whatever she wants.

All the new Guest Workers can flood our employment market. Young people, minorities and high tech workers will be hardest hit.

Page 87 is an admission they will never secure the border.

Shall I go on? Has this guy read any of this disgusting pile of excrement?

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM

It will be interesting to see what happens with this issue as it winds its way up through the appeals process in the federal court system.

AZCoyote on June 24, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Not much, likely, as long as Barry can get away with what he pleases and is not taken to task.

The only thing that will really stop him, apparently, is forced removal from office.

hawkeye54 on June 24, 2013 at 12:19 PM

The other is to pass a more conservative comprehensive bill and throw it to a conference committee, but the House is so far away from that possibility (as Johnson points out) that it would have to be a shell bill.

What the House could do (and should do IMO) is write a NON-comprehensive bill dealing with only border security, setting reasonable statistical goals 3 to 5 years out on security. If these goals are met or surpassed, THEN open the door for discussions about what to do with the ones here, paths to legalization etc, etc. Comprehensive is BS!!

cartooner on June 24, 2013 at 12:19 PM

bluegill on June 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM

I have not seen anywhere that he supports it. Where has he said that? Link please.

Ed, have you stated your opinion in the matter of the bill and the amendment?

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:20 PM

No So! /sarc.

Support snowballs ahead of Senate immigration reform vote
By Alexander Bolton – 06/24/13 05:00 AM ET
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/307255-support-snowballs-ahead-of-senate-vote-on-immigration-reform-bill
Immigration reform has gotten a new burst of life as a growing number of Senate Republicans have embraced the 1,000-page-plus legislation, setting up President Obama for a big victory this week.

The sudden surge in Republican support has been a pleasant surprise for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who urged the bill’s authors to focus on winning 60 votes — the minimum for passing it.

Look at all the facts presented that makes the case…

Galt2009 on June 24, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Perhaps Sen Corker, and the rest of these dimwits, will take the time to go around the country and take away the benefits that millions of illegals are already receiving. That way they will be in a position to wait 10 years to regain them. Right!

Pardonme on June 24, 2013 at 12:21 PM

No bill should be that long and require a law degree to read it.

Cindy Munford on June 24, 2013 at 12:21 PM

So the illegals have to “stay in the shadows” a little longer? Awwwww.

Bitter Clinger on June 24, 2013 at 12:21 PM

What the House could do (and should do IMO) is write a NON-comprehensive bill dealing with only border security, setting reasonable statistical goals 3 to 5 years out on security. If these goals are met or surpassed, THEN open the door for discussions about what to do with the ones here, paths to legalization etc, etc. Comprehensive is BS!!

cartooner on June 24, 2013 at 12:19 PM

I’ll tell you what, let -us- write it.

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Regular order has been Boehner’s mantra ever since he negotiated with Obama and Obama mocked him for passing the debt limit raise. Regular order is the way congress is supposed to produce legislation. Not hurry up and we’ll read it later. Nobody in their right mind could fail to be suspicious when they’re screaming just do it.

bluesdoc70 on June 24, 2013 at 12:24 PM

It would be great to see Rubio’s career irreparably damaged over this. He is abysmal.

Christien on June 24, 2013 at 12:24 PM

I’ll tell you what, let -us- write it.

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:22 PM

I second that.

cartooner on June 24, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Lines are busy at DC switchboard and offices.
Keep calling.

lynncgb on June 24, 2013 at 12:26 PM

No bill should be that long and require a law degree to read it.

Cindy Munford on June 24, 2013 at 12:21 PM

It is too long. A law degree will not help. Classes in pretzel logic and nonlinear equations may be useful.

When they write these I suspect they have the text of all the editions available, because there is considerable reference to sections, sentences and phrases that had me bouncing back and forth between several documents.

I am of the opinion this is deliberate. It’s the messy disorganized way they work. That must change too. All of us have to be able to easily read what they are doing.

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:26 PM

I second that.

cartooner on June 24, 2013 at 12:25 PM

I have a second! All in favor, say Aye!

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:27 PM

bluegill on June 24, 2013 at 12:15 PM
I have not seen anywhere that he supports it. Where has he said that? Link please.
Ed, have you stated your opinion in the matter of the bill and the amendment?
dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:20 PM

I heard it mentioned in the comments in the last few days. I also wouldn’t mind seeing confirmation.

I think it’s clear that AP opposes it, thankfully. I also believe MKH said she was “torn” or something similar.

bluegill on June 24, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Perhaps Sen Corker, and the rest of these dimwits, will take the time to go around the country and take away the benefits that millions of illegals are already receiving.

Ah, federal benefits may be taken, but the illegals will always have California, and other generous, caring and compassionate blue states and blue cities still willing and delighted to bestow upon them good fortune from the government treasure troves of taxpayer revenue.

hawkeye54 on June 24, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Immigration reform doomed?

It’s not reform.

zoyclem on June 24, 2013 at 12:27 PM

The GOP needs to go on a major border security offensive.

Border security first has strong bipartisan support among the public. They should take to the airwaves and demand security first.

Anything else is insanity given the record on enforcement since 1986.

Charlemagne on June 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Funny, yesterday they were on the verge of having 70 votes for approval in the Senate and now today it is doomed. Kabuki theater at it’s best.

DDay on June 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

I second that.

cartooner on June 24, 2013 at 12:25 PM

I have a second! All in favor, say Aye!

Aye!!

hawkeye54 on June 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Isn’t one of the provisions of the Bill that all illegal immigrants are automatically voter registered as Democrats and given a lump sum Food Stamp payment equal to the time they have been illegally in the USA?

albill on June 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

…but the House is so far away from that possibility (as Johnson points out) that it would have to be a shell bill.

Crying Johhny will bring up a shell bill, which will then be replaced by the Senate Bill, and the Boy Wonder will just Deem it passed.

Sound familiar?

All pigs from the same trough anymore.

Primary them all.
Grahmasty and “My Friends” the chimpunk first.

Tenwheeler on June 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Let me clarify… I think I read that Ed supported some form of amnesty/pathway, but maybe not this particular legislation.

bluegill on June 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Senator Corker said, “I don’t know how to make it any clearer. If the Hoeven-Corker amendment becomes law, 10 years must pass and there must be 700 miles of pedestrian fencing and 20,000 additional border patrol agents along the southern border before a Green Card is issued to those with RPI status.

Not one post hole has to be dug nor must one additional border patrol application be submitted before they are granted irrevocable, permanent legal status(that’s right…permanent) and handed a work permit, a driver’s license, and a social security card. They don’t need a green card(as if they aren’t going to get them anyway). Heck, the 20 million who are here now don’t have green cards, and they have more power than citizens.

In other words, Corker, you are an intellectually dishonest hack of a lying politician.

xblade on June 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM

It seems like Ed’s analysis is taking the form of objective observer more than advocate.

bluegill on June 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM

The so called fence may keep people from crossing in vehicles in areas where they can, but it will not stop the fence jumpers without more patrols and enforcement.

DDay on June 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Oh Marco ya should have danced with the one that brung ya .
Actually , I don’t believe it will die . But it would be funny if Rubio
wrecked his career for nothing .
Maybe that was the plan all along ?

Lucano on June 24, 2013 at 12:32 PM

All of us have to be able to easily read what they are doing.

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:26 PM

That was my first -of many- complaints to my Senators this morning. The process alone has become so perverse that that in itself is reason enough to be against the bill.

lynncgb on June 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM

F Rubio the worm.

VorDaj on June 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Obviously I care how they vote in the Senate but my feeling is vote out everyone who expressed support of this bill or amnesty in general. This has been a wake-up call, we’ve seen a lot of backstabbing from supposedly conservative members, hopefully people see this as a call for cleaning House… and Senate.

I liked Paul Ryan in 2012 and earlier but this is a dealbreaker for me, he’s obviously not interested in the fiscal wellbeing of this nation if he’d support something so damaging as this amnesty bill.

Ukiah on June 24, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Shall I go on? Has this guy read any of this disgusting pile of excrement?

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Since I agree he’s a liar, it doesn’t matter whether he’s read it or not. He’s either lying about what it says, or lying that he knows what it says, or more to the point: lying that a bill passed this year obligates future Congresses and Presidents to do anything at all.

Fenris on June 24, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Kill it zombie fashion, we’re talking helicopter blades for you old school movie fans.

Bishop on June 24, 2013 at 12:35 PM

It seems like Ed’s analysis is taking the form of objective observer more than advocate.

bluegill on June 24, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Maybe he thinks it’s comparable to a chili judging contest rather than whether America becomes a third world country or not.

VorDaj on June 24, 2013 at 12:36 PM

I heard it mentioned in the comments in the last few days. I also wouldn’t mind seeing confirmation.

I think it’s clear that AP opposes it, thankfully. I also believe MKH said she was “torn” or something similar.

bluegill on June 24, 2013 at 12:27 PM

I saw that you said that over the weekend. I did a cursory look for Ed’s opinion, but I spent most of my time doing yard work and reading Hoeven-Corker (HorseShyte-Kakamemie) and posting the fun bits here and there.

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Look, I want this “immigration reform” bill to go down in flames too. But can we please stop all this grandstanding over whether or not particular Senators have read the entire text of any given real. Let’s get real. Members of Congress never read legislation front to back. Ever. I guarantee you that Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, or any other heroes of our movement don’t read the legislation either.

The simple fact is that members of Congress decide what they want the legislation to do and their staffs write it. That’s the way it’s worked for a long, long time and that’s the way it’s likely to continue to work. There’s simply no way for a member of Congress to read the text of every bill as long as bills are thousands of pages long.

The solution here is to gut our federal government such that it only does a few essential tasks and those that it does do can be handled in bills that are not thousands of pages long.

Shump on June 24, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Open question to one and all:

Has the Senate taken up ANY investigations into the following:

IRS
BENGHAZI
NSA
FAST AND FURIOUS
ERIC HOLDER (for offenses too numerous to list here)
WHETHER CHUCK SHUMER IS NOT ACTUALLY LUCIFER

ToddPA on June 24, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Fenris on June 24, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Good points.

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Cholly Rangel (D-Corruptoville) voices “concern” for the future of the GOP in re to the Comprehensive Immigration Fiasco.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/351848/rangel-worries-about-gops-future-push-immigration-reform-andrew-johnson

onlineanalyst on June 24, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Immigration reform doomed?

How many times did we say that about Ocrapacare? Stay focused peeps to get a dagger in this thing’s heart…

hillsoftx on June 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Oh Marco ya should have danced with the one that brung ya .
Actually , I don’t believe it will die . But it would be funny if Rubio
wrecked his career for nothing .
Maybe that was the plan all along ?

Lucano on June 24, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Looks like he won’t have that big “got something done” entry on his resume. I guess he can always “DREAM”.

Bitter Clinger on June 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM

The plan is for the house to get a shell bill started and then to merge the senate bill with it ion commitee after they pass the shell. The outcome is that American citizens get screwed ala 1986.

paulsur on June 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Let me clarify… I think I read that Ed supported some form of amnesty/pathway, but maybe not this particular legislation.

bluegill on June 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Kind of like supporting hanging America but not shooting it.

VorDaj on June 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Green card, Schmeen card. Once they’re officially legal , the game is over. The rest of the “goodies” that go along with citizenship will be rolled out slowly, because withholding them “from those that are
here legally” would just be too “unfair.”

Every senator knows that.

F&%€ the Senate Bill.

LASue on June 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

The Dems don’t want an immigration bill passed. They want an issue to make hay with for the 2014 elections. “Bad Repubs wouldn’t pass immigration reform. The Good Dems have your back. Vote for us!” The Repub senators that vote for this crap should be unelected asap!

Deano1952 on June 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

The Dems don’t want an immigration bill passed. They want an issue to make hay with for the 2014 elections. Deano1952 on June 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

I’ve thought this also. Everything is politics.

Cindy Munford on June 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

It would be great to see Rubio’s career irreparably damaged over this. He is abysmal.

Christien on June 24, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Now that would be great to see.

I really hope this bill fails and we follow-up by removing all these morons from office. Make this a lesson so painful that the Republican party will avoid displaying their true feelings on this issue ever again… and hopefully we eventually make them completely irrelevant by making them a third-party.

Ukiah on June 24, 2013 at 12:41 PM

That was my first -of many- complaints to my Senators this morning. The process alone has become so perverse that that in itself is reason enough to be against the bill.

lynncgb on June 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Mrs. Dog suggested that I go back and get the ’86 bill and post parts of that for everyone’s reading pleasure. Or Even the one from the ’60s.

Ugh.

Amnesty without securing the border parts 1 and 2. Let’s stop and back away from this until we can secure our borders first and remove all the criminals from our midst.

Let’s put Americans back to work FIRST before inviting guests to work here.

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:42 PM

I think it’s clear that AP opposes it, thankfully. I also believe MKH said she was “torn” or something similar.

bluegill on June 24, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Trying to decide if one wants America to be a first world country or a third world country – Yes, I can see where that would be a difficult decision for some.

VorDaj on June 24, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Open question to one and all:

Has the Senate taken up ANY investigations into the following:

IRS
BENGHAZI
NSA
FAST AND FURIOUS
ERIC HOLDER (for offenses too numerous to list here)
WHETHER CHUCK SHUMER IS NOT ACTUALLY LUCIFER

ToddPA on June 24, 2013 at 12:36 PM

No. None of that is important to the fvcking rino’s. “This is an EMERGENCY!!!! WAAA! WAA ! WAA!” We should at least get sound effects from our betters while they are screwing us.

VegasRick on June 24, 2013 at 12:43 PM

I saw that you said that over the weekend. I did a cursory look for Ed’s opinion, but I spent most of my time doing yard work and reading Hoeven-Corker (HorseShyte-Kakamemie) and posting the fun bits here and there.
dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Someone else in the comments told me recently. All these days are blurring together.

Can anyone out there help with this?

Now, immigration reform looks like low-hanging fruit compared to the crises that face our political class now. The lame-duck Congress has to undo sequestration and deal with Taxmageddon. The next Congress has to figure out how to deal with massive deficits and unfunded entitlement liabilities that will crush the American economy within a decade without serious reform. On those issues, there is substantial philosophical and ideological hostility. In comparison, there are only a few issues keeping immigration reform from being passed, nearly none of which are ideological, and most of which are either technical or matters of prioritization.

I’d expect this to get taken up in early 2013 and pass by the summer, with substantial compromise on both sides. It may be the only real bipartisanship we see next year.

Ed said that after the election.

No ideological issues keeping amnesty from being passed? Only technical issues and issues of prioritization?

Ed seemed open to surrender after the election. Remember what many were saying during that time?

bluegill on June 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM

The Dems don’t want an immigration bill passed. They want an issue to make hay with for the 2014 elections. Deano1952 on June 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

I’ve thought this also. Everything is politics.

Cindy Munford on June 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Nothing is written in stone, they might like to use this as an issue if it fails but I can’t imagine they’d be upset if it passes. Either way they feel they’d win, now that’s what politics is all about these days – Heads Politicians Win, Tails America Loses.

Ukiah on June 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Risk for House not to pass a destructive piece of legislation? Not in my eyes and more than half of America. Kill it now, kill it tomorrow, kill it forever.

stop2think on June 24, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Boehner needs to treat Reid as Reid does him; ignore the bill all together. When was the last time the Senate took up anything the House passed?

Tater Salad on June 24, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Immigration reform doomed?

How many times did we say that about Ocrapacare? Stay focused peeps to get a dagger in this thing’s heart…

hillsoftx on June 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM

You beat me to it. I don’t trust anything any of these cretins say.

PatriotGal2257 on June 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Tie the repeal of Obamacare to the immigration bill and vote on it.

Tater Salad on June 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM

This will be the issue which keeps our Senate out of Republican control, but not for the reasons you think.

This bill has become larded up with a cornucopia of specious and dishonest proposals. Once time allows the light of day to be shone upon them, people will not only be shocked, but angry.

This bill will fail in the House, but that won’t stop people from examining it. In the meantime, there will be a group of Republicans who voted for it and with every ignominious discovery will come another bite out of their reelection chances. Not from illegal immigrants or Hispanics who only make up about 8% of the electorate. But from a plurality of citizens who have had enough of the GOP foolishness.

Marcus Traianus on June 24, 2013 at 12:49 PM

To not read a major bill before voting… AGAIN? Truly mind blowing in it’s stupidity. Vote NO if you can’t bother to read it!

poli-nana on June 24, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Green card, Schmeen card. Once they’re officially legal , the game is over. The rest of the “goodies” that go along with citizenship will be rolled out slowly, because withholding them “from those that are
here legally” would just be too “unfair.”

Every senator knows that.

F&%€ the Senate Bill.

LASue on June 24, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Brilliant post.

ToddPA on June 24, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Golly…just six little words…

Secure the borders.
Enforce our laws.

If only…

StarLady on June 24, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Ed seemed open to surrender after the election. Remember what many were saying during that time?

bluegill on June 24, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Ed’s words were “immigration reform,” not amnesty. I don’t know that he meant Amnesty.

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 12:51 PM

……..and yet, Jan Brewer of Arizona says Amnesty is a victory for the state?

Oh, does she mean that Arizona will make a nice province in the newly enlarged Mexico or as part of Aztlan?

Open Borders….

…why have a border?

Since we don’t need a fence on the border then let’s see if President Obama is willing to take down the fence around the White House in solidarity with his immigrant brothers suffering because of our border security.

PappyD61 on June 24, 2013 at 12:54 PM

The House Judiciary committee should spend months dissecting the Senate bill. Just crucify it and highlight ALL its weaknesses and hard-left features.

Time to educate America about what the hard-left in the Senate are trying to do to us.

BuckeyeSam on June 24, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Perhaps Sen Corker, and the rest of these dimwits, will take the time to go around the country and take away the benefits that millions of illegals are already receiving.

Ah, federal benefits may be taken, but the illegals will always have California, and other generous, caring and compassionate blue states and blue cities still willing and delighted to bestow upon them good fortune from the government treasure troves of taxpayer revenue.

And we all know that states like CA tap into federal-funding resources (our taxes) to pay for these benefits.

onlineanalyst on June 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM

we need to pass the bill to find out what is in it.

I think from this point on a case can be made in the courts of law that since even our own representatives no longer no what laws they are passing, citizens can not be expected to know the laws under which they live. In the old days ignorance of the law was not a defense. Now because of the actions of this congress I think someone could try and succeed in using it as a defense in court.

unseen on June 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Doomed?

I hope so.

TimBuk3 on June 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

I made the mistake of hearing a Soundbite from Shumer.

Something about Republicans in the House “doing the right thing”

When in the Hell are Republicans going to start saying
“If Democrats do the right thing and enfore the border”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our side STILL doesn’t get it. At this point I’ve given up on
them ever learning.

I’ll get banned if I say what I wish would happen to Shumer.

Hate him, absolutely HATE HIM.

ToddPA on June 24, 2013 at 1:00 PM

If it craps out in the Senate, maybe the whole thing was a ruse to claim how hard they TRIED, and that if they’ll only elect a Democrat majority in the House next year, they’ll jam it through no matter how bad, just like the stimulus and ObamaCare.

tpitman on June 24, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Well I fired off email this weekend and burned the phone lines again this morning. Both of my Senators and my Representative knows where I stand. I was “polite” but made my feelings known.

I ask (plead) that each and every one on HA does the same, it may not help but it certainly won’t hurt.

I asked and they all said that they were getting heavy call volume in regards to this issue, especially the Senators.

Call them Now!!!!!

D-fusit on June 24, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Open question to one and all:

Has the Senate taken up ANY investigations into the following:

IRS
BENGHAZI
NSA
FAST AND FURIOUS
ERIC HOLDER (for offenses too numerous to list here)
WHETHER CHUCK SHUMER IS NOT ACTUALLY LUCIFER

ToddPA on June 24, 2013 at 12:36 PM

No. None of that is important to the fvcking rino’s. “This is an EMERGENCY!!!! WAAA! WAA ! WAA!” We should at least get sound effects from our betters while they are screwing us.

VegasRick on June 24, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Their claims of needing to get things done real quick before they can read them would be more credible IF they would address other issues – like those- that are urgent to the rest of us.

Galt2009 on June 24, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Will that matter? Not according to National Journal’s Fawn Johnson, who declares immigration reform dead for the year no matter what happens this week in the Senate. The House isn’t even close to having a bill to even debate much less take a vote to approve, and the calendar suggests the lower chamber never will:

Don’t believe it. Kill this thing in the Senate if at all possible. It’s a trap.

Doomberg on June 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Resist We Much on June 24, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Nice write up.

Don’t believe it. Kill this thing in the Senate if at all possible. It’s a trap.

Doomberg on June 24, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Melt the phones.

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM

I contact my senators but at this point I don’t even rate a live person or a form-letter return email, I must be a known entity to them.

Franken and Klobuchar, two guaranteed knee-padders for whatever Bark proposes; neither one of them would even blink if legislation appeared calling for conservatives to be herded into gas chambers.

Bishop on June 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM

It will be interesting to see what happens with this issue as it winds its way up through the appeals process in the federal court system.

AZCoyote

It won’t matter. Amnesty for all we be the law by then, so even if it gets thrown out, they will still get amnesty.

I have not seen anywhere that he supports it. Where has he said that? Link please.

Ed, have you stated your opinion in the matter of the bill and the amendment?

dogsoldier

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/13/time-to-cut-a-deal-on-immigration/

From reading most of his posts on this issue, it’s not hard to figure out where he stands. And it’s not that he supports this bill inasmuch as he will support any bill that gets this issue off the table. He subscribes to the “let’s surrender to democrats and let them have their way so they stop talking bad about us” school of politics, which kind of defeats the purpose of politics. It’s like agreeing to let someone rape your wife so they will stop threatening to rape your wife.

Ed’s words were “immigration reform,” not amnesty. I don’t know that he meant Amnesty.

dogsoldier

Those are the words of Chuck Schumer and Marco Rubio too. They don’t mean amnesty either. ;)

xblade on June 24, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Call them Now!!!!!

D-fusit on June 24, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Wrote and called our senators last week. Mrs Dog did too. Ayotte chose to reply to her with a form letter chock full of lies.

She claims the original bill secures the border first. Niether the original bill nor the HorseShyte-Kakamemie amendment secure anything.

IT’S A LIE. I would put that in 100 pt type font if I could.

dogsoldier on June 24, 2013 at 1:24 PM

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