Friday news dump: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage

posted at 8:24 pm on June 21, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

According to an unsealed criminal complaint against him:

Federal prosecutors have charged Edward Snowden, the man who admitted leaking top-secret details about U.S. surveillance programs, with espionage and theft of government property, according to a criminal complaint that was unsealed Friday in U.S. District Court in Virginia.

The United States has asked Hong Kong to detain Snowden on a provisional arrest warrant, The Washington Post reported, citing unnamed U.S. officials.
The complaint charges Snowden with theft of government property, unauthorized communication of national defense information and willful communication of classified intelligence to an unauthorized person — allegations that amount to espionage in the United States under the federal Espionage Act.

The full complaint is here.

National security reporter Eli Lake notes:

Glenn Greenwald called the charges “vindictive,” adding:

There’s always this option:

An Icelandic businessman linked to WikiLeaks said he has readied a private plane to take Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who exposed secret U.S. surveillance programs, to Iceland if the government grants him asylum.

“We have made everything ready at our end now we only have to wait for confirmation from the (Icelandic) Interior Ministry,” Olafur Vignir Sigurvinsson told Reuters. He is a former director of DataCell, a company which processed payments for WikiLeaks.

“A private jet is in place in China and we could fly Snowden over tomorrow if we get positive reaction from the Interior Ministry. We need to get confirmation of asylum and that he will not be extradited to the U.S. We would most want him to get a citizenship as well,” Sigurvinsson said.


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This is difficult.

I think Snowden is a punk but I would rather know about the fact that government has potential access to too much of my personal life.

It is unconstitutional.

Ambivalent.

Sherman1864 on June 21, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Exactly it. We know he has a few screws loose and has lied on some items already. But the guy outed the largest breach of the 4th amendment any of us will ever encounter.

Meh, I guess my stance may ‘evolve’ if I may borrow from the Dems. We just don’t know what all he did.

LaughterJones on June 21, 2013 at 11:09 PM

If Snowden makes it to Iceland, I hope he likes fish and bleak weather.

Philly on June 21, 2013 at 10:40 PM

I hope he gets a bit of frostbite.

unclesmrgol on June 21, 2013 at 11:11 PM

If that’s true, his best chance now is to say he has converted to Islam.

VorDaj on June 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

He must announce that he is gay and wants to get married.

faraway on June 21, 2013 at 11:12 PM

If Snowden makes it to Iceland, I hope he likes fish and bleak weather.

Philly on June 21, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Well, yeah, but the Scandi ladies up there will make him forget all about his poledancer from Hawaai. They do eat some goofy stuff up there. Sharks that have been hung up in open sheds till they have fermented into a solid chunk. Good cheeses and I think they make a lot of salt cod.

a capella on June 21, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Probably to distract everyone from the deployment of US troops to Egypt.

bigbeachbird on June 21, 2013 at 11:52 PM

LaughterJones on June 21, 2013 at 11:09

Right. I want to know more about this Snowden character’s activities…
but will we be allowed to know?

Sherman1864 on June 22, 2013 at 12:13 AM

The government should be charged with espionage against the people of this nation

I hope Snowden makes it to Iceland, if that is his desire,

Otherwise, China. They owe us (the American citizens) anyway, because they got a lot of our tech for free. We buy their stuff. I will go out and buy a Chinese made LED tv/monitor, if they accommodate him

President comes out with espionage charge, and meanwhile a tv chef blows him off the news cycle with the N word. Obama should have sat on the charge until the MSM had a slow day

His African safari didn’t get good buzz either. Drop a hundred million for a safari, and the press cant make it play. Should have been the Journey to His Roots, Chakka Zulu, Hatari, Jambo

entagor on June 22, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Some of you Michael Moore impersonators have taken to supporting anti-American traitors.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Anti-American traitors?

You silly twit. When someone uncovers massive constitutional violations, they’re not traitors.

Wendya on June 22, 2013 at 12:30 AM

How prophets suffer.

IlikedAUH2O on June 22, 2013 at 5:54 AM

Some of you Michael Moore impersonators have taken to supporting anti-American traitors.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Spoken like a true Loyalist

dom89031 on June 22, 2013 at 7:54 AM

The information Snowden released is classified, it doesn’t matter what it’s content actually says it is considered “Secret” by our government. Snowden actually took an oath to honor & respect the information he was handling and the country he was serving. He has betrayed that oath and that country. He is a thief and a traitor. Whether he eventually benefits his countrymen, or not, is immaterial. He did not have the right to release secret government material. I hope he’s caught, tried and hanged from “the yardarms!” “Keelhauling” would be appropriate too as long as an aircraft carrier was used.

Boats48 on June 22, 2013 at 8:20 AM

I thought Snowden was a liar? That’s what the government and the braying pundits on TV say? Now he is being charged as a leaker? It seems to me the only entity changing their story is the government.

OliverB on June 22, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Boats48 on June 22, 2013 at 8:20 AM

This is the stark, brutal reality of the situation. The exact content of what he blabbed is immaterial. He swore a binding oath to NOT do what he did.

By the law of the land – and indeed every nation that ever was serious about keeping secrets – he is a turncoat whose neck should be itching from the sniper’s crosshairs, or with premonition of the noose about to be around it.

MelonCollie on June 22, 2013 at 8:47 AM

First off, Snowden worked for a private contractor. He probably never took an oath-he in all reality had to sign a non-disclosure contract. Secondly, if he did take an oath he most likely vowed to protect the constitution. A lot of Americans would agree that his actions were in line with a man that thought what he did was an act of protecting the constitution and allowing we the people the opportunity to debate if our rights have been violated.

Finally, shouldn’t the ire of those arguing that he violated an oath be equally angry at those men that also took an oath to protect the constitution like the pres,the head of the NSA, the chief of staff of the WH, ECT?

OliverB on June 22, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Finally, shouldn’t the ire of those arguing that he violated an oath be equally angry at those men that also took an oath to protect the constitution like the pres,the head of the NSA, the chief of staff of the WH, ECT?

OliverB on June 22, 2013 at 9:02 AM

I AM equally angry, Einstein. Difference is Barack “the Magic” Obama was willingly elected by the nation, twice, and the second time after a mountain of evidence against the notion of ‘equality’ that got him anywhere in life.

I can’t take on half the frigging country and neither can you.

MelonCollie on June 22, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Thanks for the compliment of comparing me to one of the greatest scientists of all-time. Physics aside, what you are saying that because a man gets elected to public office that entitles him to violate the constitution? I don’t understand your logic. It seems that those that want Snowden on the gallows lost all reason and are arguing like progressives, that being to hell with logic let’s argue about our emotions.

OliverB on June 22, 2013 at 9:18 AM

The information Snowden released is classified, it doesn’t matter what it’s content actually says it is considered “Secret” by our government. Snowden actually took an oath to honor & respect the information he was handling and the country he was serving. He has betrayed that oath and that country. He is a thief and a traitor. Whether he eventually benefits his countrymen, or not, is immaterial. He did not have the right to release secret government material. I hope he’s caught, tried and hanged from “the yardarms!” “Keelhauling” would be appropriate too as long as an aircraft carrier was used.
Boats48 on June 22, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Yes, YES, a thousand times yes!

I had started to think that all the people here had lost their minds.

Boats48, please comment here more often!

bluegill on June 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM

The United States has asked Hong Kong to detain Snowden on a provisional arrest warrant, The Washington Post reported, citing unnamed U.S. officials.

The Hong Kong government doesn’t have the authority to conduct international affairs, so wouldn’t such a request have to be made to the national government of the PRC to be acted upon?

DarkCurrent on June 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Excellent analysis by Mary Katherine Pork.

She really earns her keep.

sartana on June 22, 2013 at 10:15 AM

The information Snowden released is classified, it doesn’t matter what it’s content actually says it is considered “Secret” by our government. Snowden actually took an oath to honor & respect the information he was handling and the country he was serving. He has betrayed that oath and that country. He is a thief and a traitor. Whether he eventually benefits his countrymen, or not, is immaterial. He did not have the right to release secret government material. I hope he’s caught, tried and hanged from “the yardarms!” “Keelhauling” would be appropriate too as long as an aircraft carrier was used.

Boats48 on June 22, 2013 at 8:20 AM

The Founding Fathers were all traitors to the British Crown. They expressed on many occasions, including in the Declaration of Independence, that their fervent desire had always been to remain loyal were it not for the matter of TYRANNY, which no free man could abide.

claudius on June 22, 2013 at 10:19 AM

By the law of the land – and indeed every nation that ever was serious about keeping secrets – he is a turncoat whose neck should be itching from the sniper’s crosshairs, or with premonition of the noose about to be around it.

MelonCollie on June 22, 2013 at 8:47 AM

“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.”

claudius on June 22, 2013 at 10:25 AM

I thought Snowden was a liar? That’s what the government and the braying pundits on TV say? Now he is being charged as a leaker? It seems to me the only entity changing their story is the government.

OliverB on June 22, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Listening to the government or their lackeys in the media has become like listening to 10,000 demons each reciting 10,000 changing lies over and over again.

claudius on June 22, 2013 at 10:33 AM

The information Snowden released is classified, it doesn’t matter what it’s content actually says

Boats48 on June 22, 2013 at 8:20 AM

You pathetic sheep.

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM

bluegill on June 22, 2013 at 9:37 AM

You coward. By agreeing, you admit that you have no regard for the content of the leaks. You are content to live as a monitored subject of the State. You’re more of a traitor than Edward Snowden will ever be.

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 10:37 AM

You pathetic sheep.

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Hey slobbering idiot, when an international superpower puts you in charge of secrets which (by golly) you’re supposed to NOT BLAB to everyone and their brother, there are going to be some consequences if that’s what you go straight out and do!

He’s d@mn lucky he lives in modern America. If he lived much of anywhere else in the world for much of recorded history, the next thing leaking would be him and he wouldn’t have gotten a trial either.

When it comes to consequences, the content could be anything up to a video of Ozero eating a stack of kittenburgers while performing child sacrifice with a fire fueled by Bibles. You’re still gonna be in a world of trouble.

MelonCollie on June 22, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Hey slobbering idiot, when an international superpower puts you in charge of secrets which (by golly) you’re supposed to NOT BLAB to everyone and their brother, there are going to be some consequences if that’s what you go straight out and do!

MelonCollie on June 22, 2013 at 10:54 AM

And who cares if those secrets demonstrate that the American people are having their rights violated in the process? Who cares if it demonstrates the shredding of the Constitution? By god, the Obama administration cannot be allowed to look bad when it’s got such a stellar track record! GET IN THEIR FACES!

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 11:00 AM

And who cares if those secrets demonstrate that the American people are having their rights violated in the process? Who cares if it demonstrates the shredding of the Constitution?

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Like we need this doofus leaker to tell us that?

Has that not been news at least for conservatives the minute that overdressed chimpanzee put his grubby paw on a Bible (I’m surprised it didn’t burn him) and took the oath of office with his fingers crossed?

Constitutional violations out the yin-yang for years and not a few during Bush…but this Joe is some kind of hero. Right.

MelonCollie on June 22, 2013 at 11:04 AM

The government broke the law and he exposed them. He’s not the criminal. THEY ARE.

But of course our rulers determine who the outlaws are. We have truly entered into an age of tyranny.

dogsoldier on June 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Like we need this doofus leaker to tell us that?

MelonCollie on June 22, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Who else but a leaker will confirm it?

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Constitutional violations out the yin-yang for years and not a few during Bush…but this Joe is some kind of hero. Right.

MelonCollie on June 22, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Yeah, he is, because he made everyone aware of it. News of previous whistle blowers who used the “official” route were smothered, but now the aggregate of all their claims has woken the masses.

dogsoldier on June 22, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Snowden has proof. Evidence. The other whistle blowers did take proof and were demonstrably ineffective.

dogsoldier on June 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Yeah, he is, because he made everyone aware of it. News of previous whistle blowers who used the “official” route were smothered, but now the aggregate of all their claims has woken the masses.

dogsoldier on June 22, 2013 at 11:26 AM

But will they stay awake? I’m not so sure.

VegasRick on June 22, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Experimental Security Analysis of a Modern Automobile

Mr. Snowden should stay out of newer cars.

Michael Hastings, call your office. Oh wait…

Akzed on June 22, 2013 at 11:57 AM

But will they stay awake? I’m not so sure.

VegasRick on June 22, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Me either. Look! Kardashian!

Is it time for American Idrool?

dogsoldier on June 22, 2013 at 12:00 PM

he other whistle blowers did NOT take proof and were demonstrably ineffective.

dogsoldier on June 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Fixed. Sorry..

dogsoldier on June 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM

The information Snowden released is classified, it doesn’t matter what it’s content actually says it is considered “Secret” by our government. Snowden actually took an oath to honor & respect the information he was handling and the country he was serving. He has betrayed that oath and that country. He is a thief and a traitor. Whether he eventually benefits his countrymen, or not, is immaterial. He did not have the right to release secret government material. I hope he’s caught, tried and hanged from “the yardarms!” “Keelhauling” would be appropriate too as long as an aircraft carrier was used. Boats48 on June 22, 2013 at 8:20 AM

So how much govt crime does his oath require him to conceal?

Akzed on June 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM

So how much govt crime does his oath require him to conceal?

Akzed on June 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM

None. Criminal activity breaks all oaths and covenants.

dogsoldier on June 22, 2013 at 12:05 PM

A man does what he must – in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures – and that is the basis of all human morality.

Winston Churchill

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM

A man does what he must – in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures – and that is the basis of all human morality.

Winston Churchill

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Well that’s kinda crazy.

Akzed on June 22, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Like we need this doofus leaker to tell us that?

MelonCollie on June 22, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Who else but a leaker will confirm it?

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Awaiting an answer…

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM

“If this be treason, make the most of it.” -Patrick Akzed Henry

Akzed on June 22, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Well that’s kinda crazy.

Akzed on June 22, 2013 at 12:52 PM

You are silly.

I hope obama has him droned so the world notices who is for freedom and who is the tyrant of the world.

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2013 at 2:09 PM

If Palin had been president, and if an anti-American traitor had stolen national secrets and given them to the Chinese, how do you think you hypocrites would have reacted?

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

With outrage against Palin–assuming the situation was reversed and Palin was secretly gathering information on all Americans and storing it all in a vault. This goes beyond partisanship.

Snowden’s a hero to all who love liberty; I personally don’t care which party he belongs to.

And what does it say about your own political partisanship, bluegill, that you’re so preoccupied with Snowden’s generally liberal leanings?

Burke on June 22, 2013 at 3:02 PM

If Palin had been president, and if an anti-American traitor had stolen national secrets and given them to the Chinese, how do you think you hypocrites would have reacted?

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

The same way I’m reacting now. No difference.

dogsoldier on June 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM

You are silly. I hope obama has him droned so the world notices who is for freedom and who is the tyrant of the world. Schadenfreude on June 22, 2013 at 2:09 PM

“A man does what he must – in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures – and that is the basis of all human morality.” -Winston Churchill

“Do what thou wilt.” -Alistair Crowley

Which quote is from a moral relativist?

Was Churchill falling down drunk when he said this?

Tell me, does switching back and fourth between the Conservative and Liberal Parties repeatedly illustrate Churchill’s moral basis?

Howsabout pretending to stand with Londoners – for once – during an air raid, when he knew full well the bombs would be falling on Conventry? (And didn’t tell Coventry.)

How did Churchill fund the salaries of dozens of servants at his estate on an MP’s salary?

Gallipoli?

Akzed on June 22, 2013 at 3:37 PM

If that’s true, his best chance now is to say he has converted to Islam.

VorDaj on June 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

He must announce that he is gay and wants to get married.

faraway on June 21, 2013 at 11:12 PM

…in Mecca.

Alberta_Patriot on June 22, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Has that not been news at least for conservatives the minute that overdressed chimpanzee put his grubby paw on a Bible (I’m surprised it didn’t burn him) and took the oath of office with his fingers crossed?
MelonCollie on June 22, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Interesting choice of words..Typical of the Tea Party crowd I guess.

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Interesting choice of words..Typical of the Tea Party crowd I guess.

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:02 PM

No different than this crap that you pulled for years.

F**k off, you revolting piece of garbage.

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Interesting choice of words..Typical of the Tea Party crowd I guess. HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Are you quibbling with the mixed metaphor, since chimps don’t have paws?

Akzed on June 22, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Anti-American traitors?

You silly twit. When someone uncovers massive constitutional violations, they’re not traitors.

Wendya on June 22, 2013 at 12:30 AM

I’m with you on this, Wendya.

If Americans don’t practice their Constitutional Rights, they’ll lose them.

jersey taxpayer on June 22, 2013 at 5:14 PM

Yeah, he is, because he made everyone aware of it. News of previous whistle blowers who used the “official” route were smothered, but now the aggregate of all their claims has woken the masses.

dogsoldier on June 22, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Precisely!

jersey taxpayer on June 22, 2013 at 5:15 PM

MelonCollie on June 22, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Interesting choice of words..Typical of the Tea Party crowd I guess.

HotLips on June 22, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Registered Democrat Paula Deen was fired yesterday from the Food Channel. For being a Racist and regularly using the N-Word, as well as fantasizing about a wedding populated with African Americans dressed as slaves.

Discuss.

Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2013 at 5:18 PM

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Lol. It’s not my fault you teahicks can’t help but show your true colors. It’s not about the debt, policy or socialized medicine with you despicable anti non white a$$holes. After all, there are more whites on welfare than all non whites combined. Admit it, you can’t stand to see that black man as president. It eats you up inside especially knowing there is nothing you can do about it. Sucks to be you huh?

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:22 PM

What is wrong with a few of you? The oath to protect and defend the constitution against domestic threats should take precedence over a pledge to keep government abuses secret! Now if his actions went beyond that, then by all means try him. But on the NSA leak of stuff we kind of knew about, he fulfilled the only oath that matters.

Chubbs65 on June 22, 2013 at 5:24 PM

I remember 9/11, 2001 like it was yesterday. The implosion of the towers, the smoldering of the ashes for months on end (I’m in a location that whenever I went out about town I saw it–couldn’t help but see it.)

Today I watched a dvd titled “They Come to America II”, the second of a series by Lynch.

Not to be O/T, but I’m not sure it is, exactly, because the topic is security, and this dvd is specifically about national security. It addresses the border/immigration issue more precisely.

When I ordered the set (there’s a I and II,) it came with four additional copies of the II version. That’s the version I’ll be sending out to senators/reps in Monday’s mail.

While I’m not sure what, if any, impact it’ll have, I know what impact it had on me. (Toward the end of it, there’s an imam speaking arabic (translated) saying one small suitcase containing 4 lbs. of anthrax would wipe out 330,000 Americans.)

If you watch this flick, you realize how easy it would be to smuggle that across the southern border–demonstrated in the dvd are people who’ve been caught who aren’t mexican/south american.

THAT is the issue–not Ed Snowden.

jersey taxpayer on June 22, 2013 at 5:34 PM

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Huh. So I guess we a$$holes haven’t noticed that Alan West is black. (I hope I didn’t just let the cat out of the bag!)

And when we rant against Harry Reid, it’s only because we’re self-loathing whites!

Seriously, we don’t like Harry Reid because of his politics, but we hate the black half of Barry Soetoro only because of his race. It has nothing to do with his commie politics.

Let’s see, the Democrats fought a war to keep their slaves.

The Democrats started the KKK.

The Democrats invented Jim Crow.

The Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 at a lower percentage than Republicans.

Republicans are racists!

(I got your mother in the basement, by the way.)

Akzed on June 22, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 22, 2013 at 5:18 PM

First of all, who cares whether she’s a registered dem or registered rep? Bottom line is most if not all of you tea party frauds are anti minority/non white.. I know, I know, the lib is playing the race card again right? How typical right? Hahahaha

Listen you tea party hack, middle of the road Americans are onto you frauds hence the reason your party will never win a presidential election. Well until the tea party cockroaches are purged from the GOP.

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Lol. It’s not my fault you teahicks can’t help but show your true colors. It’s not about the debt, policy or socialized medicine with you despicable anti non white a$$holes.

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:22 PM

You stupid illiterate motherf**ker. I just showed you the last president being compared to a chimp. Prove that our intention is any different. Otherwise, please go play in traffic like the dumb animal you are.

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM

First of all, who cares whether she’s a registered dem or registered rep? Bottom line is most if not all of you tea party frauds are anti minority/non white.. I know, I know, the lib is playing the race card again right? How typical right? Hahahaha

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Like MSNBC?

So white that they had to hire a token black guy to come on and excuse it? Not to mention one of the dumbest people you could have found. Hell, Marc Lamont Hill would waste him in a debate.

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Lol. It’s not my fault you teahicks can’t help but show your true colors. It’s not about the debt, policy or socialized medicine with you despicable anti non white a$$holes. After all, there are more whites on welfare than all non whites combined. Admit it, you can’t stand to see that black man as president. It eats you up inside especially knowing there is nothing you can do about it. Sucks to be you huh?

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:22 PM

I do not wish to get between your virtual tete-a-tete w/Madison, but I wanted to make note that you are precisely the idiot who will bring all “non whites” down even further.

Further, I myself would welcome Alan West or Ted Cruz (two examples of ‘non whites’) to the presidency.

Care to know why?

One reason. They, each of them, will bring all Americans, including ‘non whites’ out of poverty.

That is precisely what this country needs.

Why do you, and Obama, continue to focus on the color of skin?

Didn’t Rev. King address that decades ago?

Did you NOT HEAR HIS MESSAGE?

jersey taxpayer on June 22, 2013 at 5:45 PM

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Own the fact that your little tea party fringe groups are all anti non white frauds. Most of America are already aware of your M.O.

Once again there is a reason why America continuously denies your fringe group from winning presidential elections. They aren’t stupid, they know the truth.

On a positive note, our constitution allows you frauds to hold US citizenship which is why you even have congressmen representing your fringe demographic.

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Why do you, and Obama, continue to focus on the color of skin?

Didn’t Rev. King address that decades ago?

Did you NOT HEAR HIS MESSAGE?

jersey taxpayer on June 22, 2013 at 5:45 PM

No. You and your irk are the ones who focus on skin color. I only call out your colleagues when I come across one of them showing their true colors.

Regarding Allen West and lifting people out of poverty. Lolololololol. I will take him seriously once he finds his own brother a job.

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:51 PM

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Prove your claims, coward. Your jibes mean nothing anymore. People are making racist jokes more than I’ve ever heard before, simply as an elastic reaction to years of the cries of “RACIST!” It started out being ironically included in modern pop culture and stopped shortly afterward. Your pathetic worldview is crumbling. People are beginning to accept our differences once again, despite your pleas for us to pretend we’re all the same. We can handle the differences. I look forward to your mental breakdown over having to face them.

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 5:53 PM

No. You and your irk are the ones who focus on skin color. I only call out your colleagues when I come across one of them showing their true colors.

Regarding Allen West and lifting people out of poverty. Lolololololol. I will take him seriously once he finds his own brother a job.

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Like Obama has?

You, dear, have no moral fiber.

jersey taxpayer on June 22, 2013 at 5:53 PM

No. You and your irk are the ones who focus on skin color. I only call out your colleagues when I come across one of them showing their true colors.

Regarding Allen West and lifting people out of poverty. Lolololololol. I will take him seriously once he finds his own brother a job.

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Who mentioned race on this thread first? You, ya hose bag. Now come get your mother outa my basement, she bores me.

Akzed on June 22, 2013 at 5:57 PM

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 5:53 PM

If my worldview is crumbling, how come my party keeps winning presidential elections with huge popular vote margins? Perhaps American is finally moving away from your backward worldview. Think about it.

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 6:04 PM

You, dear, have no moral fiber.

jersey taxpayer on June 22, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Because I call on Allen West to help his own brother find a job before thinking of “helping” all of America?

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Hot Air Lib – jam a rag in your @#$%^&, take a Midol™ and go have a bubble bath.

Alberta_Patriot on June 22, 2013 at 6:12 PM

The IRS sent 23,994 refund checks totaling $46,378,040 to “unauthorized” alien workers at the same address in Atlanta.

Maybe rather than targeting “Tea Party” activists they should have been targeting homes that collect more than twenty refund checks!
But, no.
Some racist news for HAL:

CNS News reported, via Bizpac Review:

The Internal Revenue Service sent 23,994 tax refunds worth a combined $46,378,040 to “unauthorized” alien workers who all used the same address in Atlanta, Ga., in 2011, according to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA).

That was not the only Atlanta address theoretically occupied by thousands of “unauthorized” alien workers receiving millions in federal tax refunds in 2011. In fact, according to a TIGTA audit report published last year, four of the top ten addresses to which the IRS sent thousands of tax refunds to “unauthorized” aliens were in Atlanta.

The IRS sent 11,284 refunds worth a combined $2,164,976 to unauthorized alien workers at a second Atlanta address; 3,608 worth $2,691,448 to a third; and 2,386 worth $1,232,943 to a fourth.

The IRS also sent 8,393 refund checks to the same bank account.

Akzed on June 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM

If my worldview is crumbling, how come my party keeps winning presidential elections with huge popular vote margins? Perhaps American is finally moving away from your backward worldview. Think about it.

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Again,apologies to MadCon, because I’m certain he’ll answer this himself.

Your ‘party’, Lib may be winning ‘vote margins,’ but let me ask this simple question, because from where I sit, it’s not been asked, so here goes.

When the 40 millions (or so–a real figure on the illegals here now) are made citizens, allowed to vote, etc, along with the hundreds of thousands you deem lawful to kill via (even late-term) abortion, how many will be left to fill your coiffers to even have a semblance of fluidity?

My guess? The ‘progressives’ will have their $ off-shore, still; the conservatives? Will either have fled the country, or seceded.

It’s frickin funny how these elites presume to know how the country as a whole will respond.

jersey taxpayer on June 22, 2013 at 6:17 PM

You, dear, have no moral fiber.

jersey taxpayer on June 22, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Because I call on Allen West to help his own brother find a job before thinking of “helping” all of America?

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 6:07 PM

No.

Because you call on Alan West to do so before your own president.

That exemplifies no moral fiber, dear.

jersey taxpayer on June 22, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Why doesn’t Obama support his Aunt Zetuni instead of Massachusetts taxpayers. After all, his personal fortune has risen to 20 million dollars since he was elected president. I was not aware being president paid millions of dollars a year.

birdwatcher on June 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Husband just got in, so, time for me to get.

Why doesn’t Obama support his Aunt Zetuni instead of Massachusetts taxpayers. After all, his personal fortune has risen to 20 million dollars since he was elected president. I was not aware being president paid millions of dollars a year.

birdwatcher on June 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Then you need to pay better attention–even w/DPatrick–after all I am, w/CChristie.

Beyond that, have fun everyone of you hot gassers :)

jersey taxpayer on June 22, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Don’t let the idiot troll jack the thread guys. Regardless of what he posts. You’re giving him exactly the charge that get’s him off…

History will record Snowden as a hero. He uncorked the bottle. The Djinn is OUT!

dogsoldier on June 22, 2013 at 6:49 PM

The information Snowden released is classified, it doesn’t matter what it’s content actually says it is considered “Secret” by our government. Snowden actually took an oath to honor & respect the information he was handling and the country he was serving. He has betrayed that oath and that country. He is a thief and a traitor. Whether he eventually benefits his countrymen, or not, is immaterial…
 
Boats48 on June 22, 2013 at 8:20 AM

 
Interesting point.
 
Does anyone have the text of the oath?

rogerb on June 22, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Paula Deen.

Robert Bird.

davidk on June 22, 2013 at 7:01 PM

I call on Allen West to help his own brother

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Spoken like someone who has never heard of George Obama.

Alberta_Patriot on June 22, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Nothing is more schadenfreudig than to see the leftist thugs defend obama who is “Bushhitler”, on steroids.

Speaking of brothers

Schadenfreude on June 22, 2013 at 7:13 PM

If my worldview is crumbling, how come my party keeps winning presidential elections with huge popular vote margins? Perhaps American is finally moving away from your backward worldview. Think about it.

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Enjoy the blowback from your party’s lust for power. One petition is already on its way to pardon Snowden. Your “Hope and Change” has been exposed. It’s nothing more than Bush on steroids. How’s Gitmo? How’s that war in Afghanistan? How’s the Nobel Peace Prize winner doing with his drone strikes at American citizens and wars in Libya and Syria and Yemen and Somalia?

You must just love it when your president starts killing brown people, you racist piece of s**t.

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Shame on Hot Air’s management for letting such a despicable troll remain on their site while they ban good members of the community.

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Republicans overwhelming for domestic spying, democrats overwhelmingly against the reauthorization of FISA which allowed NSA’s wiretapping to continue.

2010/2011
Patriot Act re-authorization
Republicans 196 FOR / 31 AGAINST
Democrats 54 FOR / 122 AGAINST

FISA Act re-authorization
Republicans 227 FOR / 7 AGAINST
Democrats 74 FOR /111 AGAINST

Here’s the votes link:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h569?hr5949

Unlike Snowden all 4 of these highly decorated senior NSA officials came forward during the Bush administration and leaked information to the press that the NSA was unlawfully conducting a Domestic spy program on its own citizens since BEFORE 9/11.

Thomas Andrews Drake is a former senior executive of the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) and a decorated United States Air Force and United States Navy veteran.

William Binney is a decorated Vietnam Veteran who worked at the Army Security Agency before going to the NSA as a former highly placed intelligence official with the United States National Security Agency (NSA) that turned whistleblower after more than 30 years with the agency.

J. Kirk Wiebe is a former NSA senior analyst who was awarded the Meritorious Civilian Service Award, NSA’s second highest distinction. Wiebe developed a revolutionary information processing system called ThinThread.

But the NSA wrongfully applied a component of the ThinThread system to illegally spy on the private communications of U.S. citizens so Wiebe became a whistleblower.

Russell D. Tice is a former intelligence analyst for the U.S. Air Force, Office of Naval Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and National Security Agency (NSA). During his nearly 20 year career with various United States government agencies, he conducted intelligence missions related to the Kosovo War, Afghanistan, the USS Cole bombing in Yemen, and Operation Iraqi Freedom.

JustTheFacts on June 22, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Regarding Obama killing brown people, lolololllololol. Too bad these same brown and black people…

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Wow. You’re making no distinction between terrorists and minority voters? No wonder your projection is so fierce. You’ve got a real hate on, haven’t you?

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 7:53 PM

Where were you guys during the Bush administration when the 4 (FOUR) original NSA whistle blowers all leaked info that the NSA and the DIA were engaged in unlawful and unconstitutional wiretaps on American citizens?

All 4 (FOUR) of the highly decorated senior NSA officials who blew the whistle during the Bush admin claimed that spying on Americans involved a massive computer system known as ECHELON, which “is able to search and filter millions of phone calls and e-mails in a matter of seconds”.

Russell D. Tice testified that while he worked for the NSA, communications of journalists,(and entire news organizations), were being recorded 24/7.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan refused to comment on the story on December 16, 2005 exclaiming “there’s a reason why we don’t get into discussing ongoing intelligence activities, because it could compromise our efforts to prevent attacks from happening.”

In reaction to Tice’s claims, Republicans demanded that he be tried as a traitor and right-wing talking heads like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly, launched an offensive against his credibility. On his Fox News broadcast of January 11, 2006, O’Reilly said that Tice should be jailed for his whistleblowing activity.

Hannity Then and Hannity Now on NSA http://youtu.be/t27ie4qFlXM

Under Bush its good but under Obama its bad.

Well I say unlawful domestic spying has always been wrong and against the constitution and bill of rights just like unlawful renditions and unlawful indefinite detentions and unlawful denial of the right to see evidence used against you and unlawful torture and unlawful use of drones and unlawful assassinations and etc.

Once you allow the government to stop being a nation of laws and start breaking and/or abusing one law it will break and/or abuse another law and another law and so on.

JustTheFacts on June 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Americans need to be on guard for abuses of power.

Who is actually bringing “injury to America”: those who are secretly building a massive surveillance system or those who inform citizens that it’s being done?

House Republicans are continuing their support of NSA surveillance that began when George W. Bush’s unlawful programs were first revealed, in the weeks since Edward Snowden released classified details about the NSA’s programs, the House GOP has reaffirmed the indefinite detention of American citizens, blocked the president’s plan to close Guantanamo Bay prison and held a hearing to defend the NSA.

They can’t pass a farm bill but they can pass indefinite detention.

JustTheFacts on June 22, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Regarding the “petition”, lolololllololol.

Regarding the bush on steroids accusation, I’m actually okay with progress made in Afghanistan. I know it sucks for you to hear this but our troops are finally coming home.
I’m also okay with using drones on terrorist Americans looking to kill other Americans. Maybe we can get those drone programs ready for the “revolution” your tea party colleagues keep b!tching about.

Regarding Obama killing brown people, lolololllololol. Too bad these same brown and black people keep voting in mass against people like you right?

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 7:45 PM

(1) Obama is about to get us in a war in Syria. So big deal we are leaving Afghanistan to take part in another support global jihad mission.

(2) Two the term “terrorist” is an open ended term. If you had you had used Jihadist than it would narrow things down. For example a “terrorist” could be any one who disagrees with the president. What if we use that interpretation for leftist who keep talking about establishing a communist state in America if a Republican president gets into power. Would you be down with that? Those drones would have been used on civil rights leaders back in the 1950s for example if people had followed your advice and we had drones back then. Also you may not have noticed but a lot of the military is conservative, or they voted GOP in the last election. I say the split is about 60-40. So are you going to be comfortable having those drones being used by conservatives in the military in a “revolution”. Who do you think they would use those drones against?

(3) Why do minorities vote for Obama? Why did people, including Jews, vote for Hitler…you know stuff happens…

William Eaton on June 22, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Regarding Obama killing brown people, lolololllololol. Too bad these same brown and black people keep voting in mass against people like you right?

HotAirLib on June 22, 2013 at 7:45 PM

And Man are they doing soooo much better than 5 years ago! Oh wait, what? You are a dummy.

VegasRick on June 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM

If Palin had been president, and if an anti-American traitor had stolen national secrets and given them to the Chinese, how do you think you hypocrites would have reacted?

Many of you aren’t principled. You’re just cheap partisans.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

How about how she reacted?

She’s had a history of rooting out government corruption, so I’d be happy to have her at the helm. She’d be busy deconstructing them.

MadisonConservative on June 22, 2013 at 8:43 PM

@VegasRick and @William Eaton

Regarding you Afghanistan comments:

Congressional Intel Chairs Say Taliban Is ‘Stronger’. Taliban has more control of Afghanistan than before the US invaded.

The heads of the Senate and House intelligence committees said that the Taliban was gaining ground and is stronger now than before Afghanistan surge.

Taliban had retaken control of nearly 35% of Afghanistan by 2006 and regained 54% of Afghanistan by 2007 and then regained control of over 72% of Afghanistan in 2008 and by 2009 the Taliban had retaken control of 80% of Afghanistan. By early 2010 the Taliban had retaken enough control of Afghanistan to equal the 90% it had before the 2001 US invasion. http://www.icosgroup.net/2009/media/media-press-releases/eight_years_after_911/

There is “unprecedented interest” by Afghans, including members of the Afghan government to join the Taliban.

“The unrelenting and disturbing return, spread and advance of the Taliban is now without question,” said Norine MacDonald QC, President and Lead Field Researcher for ICOS.

The Afghans go to the Taliban to report crime, solve property deputes, etc. Even afghan government officials go to the Taliban to report a crime etc.

The US has already committed all that they can to the fight in a desperate attempt to slow the quickly growing gains of the Taliban yet failed. Now its impossible for the US to defend against a new offensive while drawing down their troops.

The war in Afghanistan is and has been a failure. The question now is if the potential for success in securing Afghanistan from the Taliban was EVER worth the risk of invading and occupying the grave yard of empires.

Why, (unless there is something to gain by defeating the Taliban), should more young Americans die trying to secure the Afghan land from the Taliban?

JustTheFacts on June 22, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I thought Snowden was a liar? That’s what the government and the braying pundits on TV say? Now he is being charged as a leaker? It seems to me the only entity changing their story is the government.

OliverB on June 22, 2013 at 8:23 AM

My personal vote for thread winner!

Very sell stated.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 22, 2013 at 8:56 PM

“well” stated that is…sheesh

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 22, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Wondered where the race-baiter has been.

itsspideyman on June 22, 2013 at 10:27 PM

If Palin had been president, and if an anti-American traitor had stolen national secrets and given them to the Chinese, how do you think you hypocrites would have reacted?

Many of you aren’t principled. You’re just cheap partisans.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Palin’s trouble in Alaska started when she fought against the ole-boy network and won.

This scandal is the product of the me-too administrations who couldn’t tell the difference between the Bill of Rights and their phone bill. In using warrantless searches and drones against American citizens they have violated their oath and are the real traitors.

itsspideyman on June 22, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Latest NSA Leak Shows How Obama Misled Public on Surveillance of Americans!

Latest documents reveal that:

Americans’ communications can indeed be intercepted and retained by the NSA without a specific search warrant—contradicting a series of misleading statements made by government officials, including the president, in recent days.

The agency’s justification for gobbling up Americans’ emails and other electronic communications is that it has a limited ability to “filter communications” that it gathers from networks. The procedures show that the NSA can, under a controversial 2008 amendment to FISA, inadvertently gather information about Americans and store it on the vague grounds that the communications “are, or are reasonably believed likely to become, relevant to a current or future foreign intelligence requirement.” The NSA also has authority to automatically store all encrypted communications or communications believed to contain “secret meaning.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/06/21/nsa_leak_shows_how_obama_misled_the_public_on_nsa_surveillance_of_americans.html#

JustTheFacts on June 22, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Ignore the trolls.

They don’t argue policy. They answer direct questions with diversions. They are just playground namecallers.

Which means….

They’ve got nothing…

Meremortal on June 22, 2013 at 11:41 PM

If China has any brains and cunning, and they do, they will “disappear” Snowden and start squeezing (AKA torturing) him for all of the rest of the information he has hinted that he has.

This fool has asked for it and he will get it.

profitsbeard on June 23, 2013 at 3:10 AM

If China has any brains and cunning, and they do, they will “disappear” Snowden and start squeezing (AKA torturing) him for all of the rest of the information he has hinted that he has.

This fool has asked for it and he will get it.

profitsbeard on June 23, 2013 at 3:10 AM

What makes you think they’d need to squeeze him?

DarkCurrent on June 23, 2013 at 6:14 AM

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