Friday news dump: U.S. charges Snowden with espionage

posted at 8:24 pm on June 21, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

According to an unsealed criminal complaint against him:

Federal prosecutors have charged Edward Snowden, the man who admitted leaking top-secret details about U.S. surveillance programs, with espionage and theft of government property, according to a criminal complaint that was unsealed Friday in U.S. District Court in Virginia.

The United States has asked Hong Kong to detain Snowden on a provisional arrest warrant, The Washington Post reported, citing unnamed U.S. officials.
The complaint charges Snowden with theft of government property, unauthorized communication of national defense information and willful communication of classified intelligence to an unauthorized person — allegations that amount to espionage in the United States under the federal Espionage Act.

The full complaint is here.

National security reporter Eli Lake notes:

Glenn Greenwald called the charges “vindictive,” adding:

There’s always this option:

An Icelandic businessman linked to WikiLeaks said he has readied a private plane to take Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who exposed secret U.S. surveillance programs, to Iceland if the government grants him asylum.

“We have made everything ready at our end now we only have to wait for confirmation from the (Icelandic) Interior Ministry,” Olafur Vignir Sigurvinsson told Reuters. He is a former director of DataCell, a company which processed payments for WikiLeaks.

“A private jet is in place in China and we could fly Snowden over tomorrow if we get positive reaction from the Interior Ministry. We need to get confirmation of asylum and that he will not be extradited to the U.S. We would most want him to get a citizenship as well,” Sigurvinsson said.


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Yeah but Paula Deen!!!!!!!!!!

Cindy Munford on June 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM

…Sandra Flukes new boyfriend?

KOOLAID2 on June 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM

I guess he’ll have a secret trial if he’s ever apprehended.

Curtiss on June 21, 2013 at 8:28 PM

Time for the ROTFISH…..

Barred on June 21, 2013 at 8:29 PM

The complaint charges Snowden with theft of government property, unauthorized communication of national defense information and willful communication of classified intelligence to an unauthorized person —

…doesn’t that qualify him…for paid leave?

KOOLAID2 on June 21, 2013 at 8:29 PM

“There is zero evidence…that (this) has remotely harmed national security.”

…did twerp harm national security…or something?

KOOLAID2 on June 21, 2013 at 8:32 PM

It’s about time.

Stoic Patriot on June 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

…doesn’t that qualify him…for paid leave?

KOOLAID2 on June 21, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Well the IRS folks got bonuses!

VegasRick on June 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

When will Barky get Leavenworth for the “flexibility.”

viking01 on June 21, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Gen. Keith “Peeping Tom” Alexander, Chief of the NSA, is a traitor. He swore an oath to uphold and defend the United States Constitution, but when he testified before Congress on June 18,. Gen. Keith “Peeping Ton” Alexander stomped on and shredded the United States Constitution and then lied to the U.S. Congress and the public about it..

If there were justice in the world, Snowden would be made the head of the NSA with the task of dismantling it as the East Germans were able to dismantle their counterpart to it, the Stasi, Gen. Keith “peeping Tom” Alexander would be in Leavenworth at hard labor for life and Herr Barack “Peeper” Hussein Obama would be in hiding somewhere in Kenya.

“Congress, tear down that Stasi assault on Americans’ Civil Rights and Americas’ Bill of Rights!”

VorDaj on June 21, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Did you hear about North West…?

Seven Percent Solution on June 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Heard earlier that he has already been apprehended by the authorities in Hong Kong.

xblade on June 21, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Gestapo

“The Gestapo had the authority to investigate cases of treason, espionage, sabotage and criminal attacks on the Nazi Party and Germany. The basic Gestapo law passed by the government in 1936 gave the Gestapo carte blanche to operate without judicial oversight. The Gestapo was specifically exempted from responsibility to administrative courts, where citizens normally could sue the state to conform to laws. As early as 1935, however, a Prussian administrative court had ruled that the Gestapo’s actions were not subject to judicial review. The SS officer Werner Best, onetime head of legal affairs in the Gestapo,[12] summed up this policy by saying, “As long as the police carries out the will of the leadership, it is acting legally.”[5]

claudius on June 21, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Did you hear about North West…?

Seven Percent Solution on June 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM

…yes…big butts!

KOOLAID2 on June 21, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Did you hear about North West…?

Seven Percent Solution on June 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM

University or airline ?

burrata on June 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Heard earlier that he has already been apprehended by the authorities in Hong Kong.

xblade on June 21, 2013 at 8:36 PM

If that’s true, his best chance now is to say he has converted to Islam.

VorDaj on June 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Seven Percent Solution on June 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Lol

Barred on June 21, 2013 at 8:38 PM

So Hussein spies and Snowden gets charged with spying ?

burrata on June 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Here’s whose word you hypocrites take as gospel:

http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/glenn-greenwald-blamed-us-for-911-and.html?m=1

Some of you Michael Moore impersonators have taken to supporting anti-American traitors.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM

A private jet is in place in China and we could fly Snowden over tomorrow if we get positive reaction from the Interior Ministry. We need to get confirmation of asylum and that he will not be extradited to the U.S. We would most want him to get a citizenship as well,” Sigurvinsson said.

I guess this guy hasn’t heard about Obama, drones, and kill lists.

Bitter Clinger on June 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM

So Hussein spies and Snowden gets charged with spying ?

burrata on June 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Hussein hides under his bed during Benghazi and a film maker is still in federal jail..

Electrongod on June 21, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Some of you Michael Moore impersonators have taken to supporting anti-American traitors.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM

And some voted for Him.

Electrongod on June 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

I want me some fish n chips !!

burrata on June 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Looking forward to see the traitor slob Snowden dragged back here in handcuffs.

Lock him up and let him rot!

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

News dumps are pathetic. Weep for the Country you once knew.

Iceland-Bound Jet for Snowden ‘Could Take Off Tomorrow’…

Obama meets with privacy watchdog panel — in private… PAPER: NSA agency can snoop without warrant…

Lawyers eye for evidence in murder, divorce cases…

CLAIM: Top judges, generals, politicians wiretapped…

Govt to map your ‘every move’… Maryland, Virginia, D.C. escaped govt spending cuts… GOOGLE GLASS Used During Surgery… Loophole Slipped Into Immigration ‘Deal’ Creates Permanent Amnesty for Illegal Aliens…

Reid schedules vote…

PAPER: Farm Bill’s Fate in House Bodes Ill for Overhaul of Immigration… BORDER AGENTS TO BE SENTENCED FOR SMUGGLING HUNDREDS INTO USA…

Bmore on June 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Stench

Bmore on June 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

So Hussein spies and Snowden gets charged with spying ?

burrata on June 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Welcome to Alice in Wonderland.

VorDaj on June 21, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Looking forward to see the traitor slob Snowden dragged back here in handcuffs.

Lock him up and let him rot!

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Pretty clear whose side you would have been on in East Germany during the thine of their equivalence of the NSA, the Stasi.

VorDaj on June 21, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Well, that took a week.

WryTrvllr on June 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Meanwhile NBC gets caught again tape editing (in Saint Trayvon fashion) to mischaracterize Rep. Pete Sessions and repackage Barky.

viking01 on June 21, 2013 at 8:47 PM

If Palin had been president, and if an anti-American traitor had stolen national secrets and given them to the Chinese, how do you think you hypocrites would have reacted?

Many of you aren’t principled. You’re just cheap partisans.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Lock him up and let him rot!

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Like the Benghazi movie killer…

Electrongod on June 21, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Zuckerberg s/b hunted.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2013 at 8:50 PM

If Palin had been president, and if an anti-American traitor had stolen national secrets and given them to the Chinese, how do you think you hypocrites would have reacted?

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

She’s a bimbo…
So…
you would say President Palin set him up..

Electrongod on June 21, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Looking forward to see the traitor slob Snowden dragged back here in handcuffs.

Lock him up and let him rot!

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

You forgot the entire trial procedure including discovery process.

That is anti-American to want a kangaroo court.

Let justice be served, not vengeance.

ajacksonian on June 21, 2013 at 8:51 PM

…someone has had yeast injections!

KOOLAID2 on June 21, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Many of you aren’t principled. You’re just cheap partisans.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

You are just a cheap Stasi partisan who lives vicariously through the State.

VorDaj on June 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

if an anti-American traitor had stolen national secrets and given them to the Chinese

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

What secrets did Snowden give to the Chinese?

sharrukin on June 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Rife with stench

Bmore on June 21, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Many of you aren’t principled. You’re just cheap partisans.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Can you hold more than one thought in that brain? Multi-task – it ain’t that hard.

You should alwasy fight for freedom, no matter your politics.

That the left have given up theirs 100%…for obama…is the most ironic and schadenfreudig thing on Earth.

The entire world deserves the new Di*k. He surpasses Nixon and Cheney twice over. This is what you should internalize, not yer Palin hatred.

Still, if amnesty fails, I’ll send you the best chocolates on Earth and flowers.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Some of these HotAir commenters are wearing their new Code Pink shirts proudly as they stand shoulder to shoulder with Michael Moore in supporting lefty activist journalists working to weaken America.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Cladious@ 8:37.

+1.

wolly4321 on June 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Looking forward to see the traitor slob Snowden dragged back here in handcuffs.

Lock him up and let him rot!

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

I look forward to obama having him droned.

1. He’d die for the best cause one can ever die, the pursuit of freedom for one’s land, and the entire world’s.

2. It would make obama look even tinier than the eunuch he already is.

More popcorn!

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I hope he is brought home and tried. Just imagine what our government will have to disclose. In my humble opinion we have a government out of control in its collection of data on private citizens and even spying on private citizens. The worst thing about this is that both sides of the aisle support what the NSA has been doing. We don’t have a people in Congress who will live up to their oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

SC.Charlie on June 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

What secrets did Snowden give to the Chinese?

sharrukin on June 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Moochelle’s “Let them eat cake” recipe..

Electrongod on June 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

When do Barky and Killary get charged with murder for the Benghazi Four?

viking01 on June 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM

If Palin had been president, and if an anti-American traitor had stolen national secrets and given them to the Chinese, how do you think you hypocrites would have reacted?

Many of you aren’t principled. You’re just cheap partisans.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

If Palin were POTUS Snowden would not have felt the need to expose this corrupt administration. You would have made a good nazi….

VegasRick on June 21, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Some of these HotAir commenters are wearing their new Code Pink shirts proudly as they stand shoulder to shoulder with Michael Moore in supporting lefty activist journalists working to weaken America.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Except that this is a lie. Your tiny brain needs to multi-thread. Try it. It ain’t that hard. I’ll guide you:

1. You can be for the NSA tracking terrorists. Most of them are Islamist nuts.

2. You can concurrently be for respecting the Bill of Rights.

3. You can concurrently be for your gov’t to be transparent and not the liar of the world, while preaching transparency.

Now, give it a try. I know you can do it!!!

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

They call it greymail, that’s why they were willing to settle with a 2 1/2 year sentence, for Kirikaou, who gave up the names of fellow agents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yoAE7hw-g08

narciso on June 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

What secrets did Snowden give to the Chinese? – sharrukin on June 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Nothing they already knew. But bluegill wants his head on a platteer.

SC.Charlie on June 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

What secrets did Snowden give to the Chinese?

sharrukin on June 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Moochelle’s “Let them eat cake” recipe..

Electrongod on June 21, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Don’t forget Moochie’s favorite Lobster Stuffed Lobster with Lobster Sauce recipe.

viking01 on June 21, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Nothing they already knew. But bluegill wants his her head on a platteer.

SC.Charlie on June 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

If Palin had been president, and if an anti-American traitor had stolen national secrets and given them to the Chinese, how do you think you hypocrites would have reacted?

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:48 PM

If you want to play the hypothetical game, if Palin were president, the NSA wouldn’t be spying on Americans in the U.S.

Curtiss on June 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Canada Free Press -

Why shouldn’t government spy on us all twenty four hours a day three hundred and sixty five days year for life?

So what, you ask?

Because reading this makes you a suspicious person.

Because in this internet age government can control every aspect of your life and can destroy you in a heartbeat with a few keystrokes if it wishes.

Because even the most innocuous and innocent activities can be taken out of context or viewed as suspicious and bring government down on you.

Because you’re no longer free to express yourself for fear of bringing yourself to government’s attention. Can criticizing government or speaking out against the government line bring government down on you? You bet it can. Will it? You bet it will.

Because you may think you have nothing to hide but government may think differently and ruin your life because it does.

Because your freedom of association is also taken away…if government doesn’t like who you’re associating with or views people you associate with as suspicious, even if they’re relatives or even if you know nothing about why government sees them as suspicious in the first place, that makes you suspicious as well.

Because government being government it won’t stop with spying on you and documenting everything about you, with keeping its eyes and ears on you twenty four hours a day three hundred and sixty five days a year for life. Taking away freedom of movement could very well be next and after that taking away other freedoms you take for granted as well. Will that happen if it gets away with this constant spying on you? Yes it will. Absolutely it will.

Because if government doesn’t like what you read or how you think or disapproves of your political activities or anything else about you it can intrude on your life and force you to act as it wants you to…because government can smear you and ruin you and throw you in jail if it doesn’t like you. You don’t think government will use the information it gathers about you against you, will use it to keep you in line? Think again. Of course it will.

Because that old canard about having nothing to fear if you’re innocent and have nothing to hide is simply untrue. Virtually anything can be misconstrued or seen as suspicious and innocent people get hurt all the time by government. In fact, the bigger the government program the more innocent people get hurt and mass spying is one of the biggest government programs there is.

Because there are much better ways to prevent terrorism and foil terrorists than trampling on our civil liberties and spying on us all twenty four hours a day three hundred and sixty five days a year for life. Israel has arguably been more successful than any other country in foiling terrorists and preventing terrorist attacks and it doesn’t spy on its population like that.

Because government spying on us all twenty four hours a day three hundred and sixty five days a year for life will lead to mass conformity and allow government to dictate every aspect of our lives according to its wishes.

Because government spying on us all twenty four hours a day three hundred and sixty five days a year for life will lead to millions of scapegoats, one of whom could be you. Or me. Or anyone.

Because malice and prejudice and ignorance will enter into it.

Because government spying on us all twenty four hours a day twenty four hours a day three hundred and sixty five days a year for life makes a mockery of everything the United States of America stands for and has always stood for and is about as anti-American as you can get.

Because being spied on by government twenty four hours a day three hundred and sixty five days a year for life means you’re no longer free and are at the mercy of government.

So what?

That’s what.

Now bring this obscenity to an end and save your freedom and your country.

While it is still possible.

VorDaj on June 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

He will accidentally get shot by the FBI who have a 100% authorized killing record or something. They will never bring him here alive to stand trial.

trs on June 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Was the NSA and/or Obama behind the leak of Paula Dean using the N word?/sarc ……………. Geezzz

SC.Charlie on June 21, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Code pink and micheal moore? Really?

Tell me what you know of the Stasi.

The dude is telling you what’s going on. Condemn him if you wish, but hear what he is telling you. Let’s discuss that.

wolly4321 on June 21, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Because government spying on us all twenty four hours a day twenty four hours a day three hundred and sixty five days a year for life makes a mockery of everything the United States of America stands for and has always stood for and is about as anti-American as you can get.

Because being spied on by government twenty four hours a day three hundred and sixty five days a year for life means you’re no longer free and are at the mercy of government.

VorDaj on June 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Amen brother.

Curtiss on June 21, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Besides blowing the whistle on NSA going Big Brother on the Constitution… Snowden probably hasn’t done anything worse than, say, cheapskate jilting the waiter or waitress on tips.

viking01 on June 21, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Some of you Michael Moore impersonators have taken to supporting anti-American traitors.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Name one here, with proof, that they are “Michael-Moore impersonaters”. You better have your duckies documented.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:54 PM

What the hell are you babbling about?

Cindy Munford on June 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

What secrets did Snowden give to the Chinese?

sharrukin on June 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Hussein’s cocaine supplier ?

burrata on June 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Snowden is trying to get himself in the same position with respect to the US government and Obama that Khodorkovsky is with Putin: if you kill him you validate his claims against you. Even worse he becomes a martyr… you can hope to seduce the living, the dead are beyond your reach and their will becomes eternal. No autocrat wants that.

ajacksonian on June 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

The other tyrants and obfuscators

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Icabod is that you. You have slept through the opening of the barn door years ago. One of the animals, Snowden, managed to finally figure it out and escape.

chemman on June 21, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Snowden is trying to get himself in the same position with respect to the US government and Obama that Khodorkovsky is with Putin: if you kill him you validate his claims against you. Even worse he becomes a martyr… you can hope to seduce the living, the dead are beyond your reach and their will becomes eternal. No autocrat wants that.

ajacksonian on June 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

obama droning him w/b the ultimate to get Nobel out of his grave.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Some of these HotAir commenters are wearing their new Code Pink shirts proudly as they stand shoulder to shoulder with Michael Moore in supporting lefty activist journalists working to weaken America.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:54 PM

The United States Constitution ain’t Code Pink.

VorDaj on June 21, 2013 at 9:05 PM

So what?

That’s what.

Now bring this obscenity to an end and save your freedom and your country.

While it is still possible.

VorDaj on June 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Preach it!

kim roy on June 21, 2013 at 9:05 PM

…some people need oxygen for their brains to function…but one…takes yeast injections directly into the brain stem!

KOOLAID2 on June 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Some of these HotAir commenters are wearing their new Code Pink shirts proudly…

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Name one here, with proof, that they are “Code Pinkers”. You better have your duckies documented.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Snowden is trying to get himself in the same position with respect to the US government and Obama that Khodorkovsky is with Putin: if you kill him you validate his claims against you. Even worse he becomes a martyr… you can hope to seduce the living, the dead are beyond your reach and their will becomes eternal. No autocrat wants that.

ajacksonian on June 21, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I can see barky having the guy killed. He is a petulant child with a bad temper who was probably bullied as a kid and he is now the biggest bully of them all. I do not put it past these scumbags at all.

VegasRick on June 21, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Some of these HotAir commenters are wearing their new Code Pink shirts proudly…

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:54 PM
Name one here, with proof, that they are “Code Pinkers”. You better have your duckies documented.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Here’s a song for the blue one. Or should I say blew one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LENKIbKCZ_U

VegasRick on June 21, 2013 at 9:14 PM

I can see barky having the guy killed. He is a petulant child with a bad temper who was probably bullied as a kid and he is now the biggest bully of them all. I do not put it past these scumbags at all.

VegasRick on June 21, 2013 at 9:11 PM

I agree. Breitbart and Hastings also seem to have been getting too close for comfort to the truth on the Regime.

viking01 on June 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I’ll bet Ambassador Stevens has some inside info on Barky’s shenanigans but he couldn’t be reached for comment.

viking01 on June 21, 2013 at 9:18 PM

My prayers are with Snowden. He knew what he was getting into and willing to make the sacrifice but he’s got to be going a little nuts.

dbrhmccrtr on June 21, 2013 at 9:21 PM

If that’s true, his best chance now is to say he has converted to Islam.

VorDaj

I must have heard the news report wrong, because there doesn’t seem to be anything about his apprehension anywhere else.

xblade on June 21, 2013 at 9:24 PM

“Membership of the Gestapo[edit]
In 1933, there was no purge of the German police forces.[26] The vast majority of Gestapo officers came from the police forces of the Weimar Republic, members of the SS, the SA, and the NSDAP also joined the Gestapo.[27] In 1939, only 3,000 out of the total of 20,000 Gestapo men held SS ranks, and in most cases, these were honorary.[28] One man who served in the Prussian Gestapo in 1933 recalled that most of his co-workers “were by no means Nazis. For the most part they were young professional civil service officers…”[28] The Nazis valued police competence more than politics, so in general in 1933, almost all of the men who served in the various state police forces under the Weimar Republic stayed on in their jobs.[29] In Würzburg, which is one of the few places in Germany where most of the Gestapo records survived, every member of the Gestapo was a career policeman or had a police background.[30] The Canadian historian Robert Gellately wrote that most Gestapo men were not Nazis, but at the same time were not opposed to the Nazi regime, which they were willing to serve, in whatever task they were called upon to perform.[30]“

claudius on June 21, 2013 at 9:28 PM

The oath of office of the President of the United States is an oath or affirmation required by the United States Constitution before the President begins the execution of the office. The wording is specified in Article Two, Section One, Clause Eight:

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:— “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

SC.Charlie on June 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM

My prayers are with Snowden. He knew what he was getting into and willing to make the sacrifice but he’s got to be going a little nuts.

dbrhmccrtr on June 21, 2013 at 9:21 PM

“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.” – Mark Twain

Of course, those like bluegill will never join him, because they take their ‘patriotism’ on the Russian plan.

“We teach them to take their patriotism at second-hand; to shout with the largest crowd without examining into the right or wrong of the matter — exactly as boys under monarchies are taught and have always been taught. We teach them to regard as traitors, and hold in aversion and contempt, such as do not shout with the crowd, and so here in our democracy we are cheering a thing which of all things is most foreign to it and out of place — the delivery of our political conscience into somebody else’s keeping. This is patriotism on the Russian plan.” – Mark Twain

VorDaj on June 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Amazing. Scandal after scandal after scandal and nobody in government is guilty except the whistle blower and a scapegoat private enterprise film maker.

MaiDee on June 21, 2013 at 9:32 PM

blueshill Lol! Ass handed to it. Wait…fish don’t…..nevermind….

Bmore on June 21, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Some of these HotAir commenters are wearing their new Code Pink shirts proudly…

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Name one here, with proof, that they are “Code Pinkers”. You better have your duckies documented.

Schadenfreude on June 21, 2013 at 9:07 PM

gill’s trolling skills ain’t what they used to be. Well, we all get old.

whatcat on June 21, 2013 at 9:49 PM

My prayers are with Snowden. He knew what he was getting into and willing to make the sacrifice but he’s got to be going a little nuts.
dbrhmccrtr on June 21, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Why don’t you start a HotAir prayer vigil for the anti-American traitor. Light some candles in your pathetic, disgusting sanctification of this Julian Assange bosom buddy and his left-wing journalist ally Glenn Greenwald, who blames US for 9/11 and advocates for weakening America. Be sure to save some room for your bff Michael Moore at the vigil.

Every one of you defending and supporting the traitor Snowden, who has likely given all the stolen documents (most of which have not been published) to the Chinese, is a Medea Benjamin and Cindy Sheehan wannabe.

Islamic terrorists rejoice at the revelations, because they have been tipped off by Snowden about ways to evade detection.

HotAir commenter hypocrites shriek: “Who cares about terrorist plots? This scandal might hurt Obama’s approval rating for a few days. Whoopee!!”

People, Obama will be gone in a couple years, but the terrorist threat will still be here.

If Snowden had been truly concerned about civil liberties, and had not wanted to hurt the United States, then he would have chosen more appropriate means of disclosure. But he went to the Chinese communists and to left wing journalist Glenn Greenwald.

Lock up the traitor and throw away the key. Execution also sounds good if the law allows it!

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Weirdly, lots of people seem to die who at one point knew Obama and had something that could be used against him. Is he (Obama) CIA? Or just a very polished Chicago thug?

Puma for Life on June 21, 2013 at 9:55 PM

Bluegill, all I want is for him to be arrested and brought home for a trial. Let’s get to the bottom of all this. I truly believe that all the powers in Washington, right and left, are not defending and protecting the Constitution of the United States ………………A constitution that protects us from a government elite that can take away our rights.

SC.Charlie on June 21, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Every one of you defending and supporting the traitor Snowden, who has likely given all the stolen documents (most of which have not been published) to the Chinese…

I heard that he killed three CIA agents getting those secrets and one of the secrets was a High-Power Microwave system that is even now being installed in a Chinese orbiting battle station that will be used to rain death on all of us.

That’s what I heard. /sarc

If Snowden had been truly concerned about civil liberties, and had not wanted to hurt the United States, then he would have chosen more appropriate means of disclosure.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM

You mean like the ones who came before him who did in fact go through the proper channels?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/


For years, the three whistle-blowers had told anyone who would listen that the NSA collects huge swaths of communications data from U.S. citizens. They had spent decades in the top ranks of the agency, designing and managing the very data-collection systems they say have been turned against Americans. When they became convinced that fundamental constitutional rights were being violated, they complained first to their superiors, then to federal investigators, congressional oversight committees and, finally, to the news media.

To the intelligence community, the trio are villains who compromised what the government classifies as some of its most secret, crucial and successful initiatives. They have been investigated as criminals and forced to give up careers, reputations and friendships built over a lifetime.

We tried to stay for the better part of seven years inside the government trying to get the government to recognize the unconstitutional, illegal activity that they were doing and openly admit that and devise certain ways that would be constitutionally and legally acceptable to achieve the ends they were really after. And that just failed totally because no one in Congress or — we couldn’t get anybody in the courts, and certainly the Department of Justice and inspector general’s office didn’t pay any attention to it. And all of the efforts we made just produced no change whatsoever. All it did was continue to get worse and expand.

Not only did they go through multiple and all the proper internal channels and they failed, but more than that, it was turned against them. … The inspector general was the one who gave their names to the Justice Department for criminal prosecution under the Espionage Act. And they were all targets of a federal criminal investigation, and Tom ended up being prosecuted — and it was for blowing the whistle.

You mean like that?

sharrukin on June 21, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Bill of Rights

Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Fifth Amendment – due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

claudius on June 21, 2013 at 10:05 PM

Iceland!

AshleyTKing on June 21, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Exactly, sharrukin. There isn’t justice for him with our leaders.

dbrhmccrtr on June 21, 2013 at 10:10 PM

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Not once have you refuted his claims. All you do is attack him and those who refuse to condemn him so ignorantly as you do. You attack Glenn Greenwald but you refuse to even address the veracity of the claims, which are being verified with every additional piece of information that comes out.

You are Vichy filth.

MadisonConservative on June 21, 2013 at 10:14 PM

Exactly, sharrukin. There isn’t justice for him with our leaders.

dbrhmccrtr on June 21, 2013 at 10:10 PM

There are more people like Bluegill than most of us would like to believe. They are perfectly comfortable with the embrace of the all-powerful state and don’t like anyone impugning its moral authority.

sharrukin on June 21, 2013 at 10:19 PM

An Icelandic businessman linked to WikiLeaks said he has readied a private plane to take Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor who exposed secret U.S. surveillance programs, to Iceland if the government grants him asylum.

If I were the CIA, this is what I’d do, except the plane wouldn’t go to Iceland.

unclesmrgol on June 21, 2013 at 10:20 PM

What secrets did Snowden give to the Chinese?

sharrukin on June 21, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Snowden gave the information to the South China Morning Post, which reported on Saturday that though the “detailed records” cannot be independently verified, they “show specific dates and the IP addresses of computers in Hong Kong and on the mainland hacked by the National Security Agency over a four-year period” and “also include information indicating whether an attack on a computer was ongoing or had been completed.”

This goes far beyond just saying “Hey, we are spying on China.” Snowden gave the Chinese specific information so that the Chinese can look up each attack (some of which they might not even have known about, and others of which were still in progress) and see what info could have been taken and how to prevent such an attack from occurring again.

AngusMc on June 21, 2013 at 10:22 PM

This is difficult.

I think Snowden is a punk but I would rather know about the fact that government has potential access to too much of my personal life.

It is unconstitutional.

Ambivalent.

Sherman1864 on June 21, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Lock up the traitor and throw away the key. Execution also sounds good if the law allows it!

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 9:50 PM

But first, the trial. Snowden has indicated intelligence means and methods to the Chinese — he’s told them not only what servers were targeted but how. As for the collection of metadata, I don’t believe that it constitutes an invasion of privacy. In essence, it’s public data.

Now, I’d love to know the real telephone numbers for the telemarketers who afflict me every evening with their fake caller ids. Maybe I’ll ask the phone company to provide them to me.

unclesmrgol on June 21, 2013 at 10:24 PM

If Snowden makes it to Iceland, I hope he likes fish and bleak weather.

Philly on June 21, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Pretty clear whose side you would have been on in East Germany during the thine of their equivalence of the NSA, the Stasi.

VorDaj on June 21, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Pretty sure which side you would have been on in the Pacific during WWII, during the time of censors reading everyone’s mail.

unclesmrgol on June 21, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Pretty sure which side you would have been on in the Pacific during WWII, during the time of censors reading everyone’s mail.

unclesmrgol on June 21, 2013 at 10:43 PM

WWII lasted four years, for us. When does the War on Terror end?

MadisonConservative on June 21, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Some of these HotAir commenters are wearing their new Code Pink shirts proudly as they stand shoulder to shoulder with Michael Moore in supporting lefty activist journalists working to weaken America.

bluegill on June 21, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Get back to signing up for Obamacare already. ‘Cause the Government is here to help!

LaughterJones on June 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM

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