Obama: Religious schools encourage division

posted at 8:41 am on June 20, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama actually made this claim at a speech in Belfast on Monday, but it seems to be gaining traction overnight.  His claim, aimed at both Catholic and Protestant “schools and buildings,” came in prepared remarks rather than an extemporaneous response to a question.  The Scottish Catholic Observer quotes the argument accurately:

The US President has made an alarming call for an end to Catholic education in Northern Ireland in spite of the fact that Archbishop Gerhard Müller told Scots that Catholic education was ‘a critical component of the Church.’

President Barack Obama (above), repeated the oft disproved claim that Catholic education increases division in front of an audience of 2000 young people, including many Catholics, at Belfast’s Waterfront hall when he arrived in the country this morning.

“If towns remain divided—if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs, if we can’t see ourselves in one another and fear or resentment are allowed to harden—that too encourages division and discourages cooperation,” the US president said.

The US politician made the unfounded claim despite a top Vatican official spelling out the undeniable good done by Catholic education in a speech in Glasgow on Saturday and in his homily at Mass on Friday.

I’ll quote the passage in its full context:

We need you to get this right.  And what’s more, you set an example for those who seek a peace of their own.  Because beyond these shores, right now, in scattered corners of the world, there are people living in the grip of conflict — ethnic conflict, religious conflict, tribal conflicts — and they know something better is out there.  And they’re groping to find a way to discover how to move beyond the heavy hand of history, to put aside the violence.  They’re studying what you’re doing.  And they’re wondering, perhaps if Northern Ireland can achieve peace, we can, too.  You’re their blueprint to follow.  You’re their proof of what is possible — because hope is contagious.  They’re watching to see what you do next.

Now, some of that is up to your leaders.  As someone who knows firsthand how politics can encourage division and discourage cooperation, I admire the Northern Ireland Executive and the Northern Ireland Assembly all the more for making power-sharing work.  That’s not easy to do.  It requires compromise, and it requires absorbing some pain from your own side.  I applaud them for taking responsibility for law enforcement and for justice, and I commend their effort to “Building a United Community” — important next steps along your transformational journey.

Because issues like segregated schools and housing, lack of jobs and opportunity — symbols of history that are a source of pride for some and pain for others — these are not tangential to peace; they’re essential to it.  If towns remain divided — if Catholics have their schools and buildings, and Protestants have theirs — if we can’t see ourselves in one another, if fear or resentment are allowed to harden, that encourages division.  It discourages cooperation.

Ultimately, peace is just not about politics.  It’s about attitudes; about a sense of empathy; about breaking down the  divisions that we create for ourselves in our own minds and our own hearts that don’t exist in any objective reality, but that we carry with us generation after generation.

Does that make the context any better?  Er … not really.  He’s speaking in terms of Northern Ireland, but pretty explicitly calling for that to be a model for the rest of the world.  His argument makes two very large assumptions, which is that the conflict in Northern Ireland was about religion, and that parochial schools make people inclined to violence.  The first is a gross oversimplification; the conflict in recent times was political, dealing with ethnic conflict and sovereignty issues, with religion used more for tribal identification than a core of the conflict.

The second is just absurd. Catholics and Protestants have thousands of schools in the US, and we don’t have warfare in the streets in the US between the sects.  The issue wasn’t the schools, nor the belief systems of Catholics and Protestants that such schools teach.  However, this makes a handy mechanism to call for the displacement of private education and religious instruction from education, with nothing left except state-controlled schools that indoctrinate children into whatever norms the governing/ruling class deem acceptable.

My friend Father Z wonders whether Obama will make this call truly consistent:

Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a foreign visit to a Islamic nation where he told people on his arrival that they shouldn’t have madrasas.  Can you?

Did he when visiting, say, Israel, say “You Jews shouldn’t have synagogue schools and you muslims shouldn’t have mosque schools.”  I can’t remember.  Did he?

I’d guess … no.

Update: The comments came in a speech on Monday, not on Friday.  I’ve fixed it above; thanks to Joel Pollak at Breitbart for the heads-up.

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That is part of the point of ObamaCare – the destruction of church hospitals.

Which is part of the bigger project, to destroy the power of churches.

faraway on June 20, 2013 at 8:44 AM

I’m sure they loved being preached at. Pun intended.

txhsmom on June 20, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Let’s be thankful that Obama is not the One World Leader even though he thinks he is.

Cherokee on June 20, 2013 at 8:45 AM

As someone who knows firsthand how politics can encourage division and discourage cooperation

Says the Great Divider who uses the tactic the most.

I bet he’d never say this to a crowd of Muslims about their religious schools.

Liam on June 20, 2013 at 8:46 AM

According to Obama, the only god is the federal government. Bow down and worship it.

NOT!!

ny59giants on June 20, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Exactly. Unless they’re madrasahs or Palestinian schools that teach children to kill Jews.

And I would imagine Louis Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright also get a pass for their “God tells us to hate whitey” educational programs of which Michelle Obama is so fond.

northdallasthirty on June 20, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Only Obama can have a Halo.

Electrongod on June 20, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Jocobins. Make no mistake, given the opportunity, that’s where progressives will go. The big push to tax churches will be coming soon and it’ll go from there.

forest on June 20, 2013 at 8:47 AM

The all powerful state (oddly just like in the old Soviet Union or Mao’s China) MUST become the religion of the collective.

…..ANY……ANY…..opposition to that supremacy of the state must be taken out.

THAT is what he’s beginning to set the stage for here.

Private schools, religious schools, Homeschoolers, he’s coming for YOU.

All hail the great American God, Barack Obama may he be praised and worshiped.

All hail the great American state, may it be praised and worshiped.

PappyD61 on June 20, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Because schools run by Jabba tha Huttess aren’t divisive?

MNHawk on June 20, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Obama’s crusade to destroy the Christian churches continues. Really . . . is this what you liberals/leftists want?

rplat on June 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Let’s be thankful that Obama is not the One World Leader even though he thinks he is.

Cherokee on June 20, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Behold our American Nimrod, and his calls for the collective and a new global order.

Same old song, different singer.

PappyD61 on June 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Here it comes, Obama’s push to strengthen the state’s monopoly on education and shut down public school alternatives.

Diversity is our strength, except when it diverges from the party line. And yes, we still have freedom of speech, so long as you watch what you say.

petefrt on June 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM

The Catholic Church doesn’t even want serial child killers to be executed. I kind of doubt that the IRA yobs learned their ethics in Catholic school from Sister Brigit.

RBMN on June 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM

And how about black colleges that teach students to hate and fear white people, as we see with “Professor” libfreeordie?

northdallasthirty on June 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Private schools, religious schools, Homeschoolers, he’s coming for YOU.

PappyD61 on June 20, 2013 at 8:47 AM

Yup.

petefrt on June 20, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Which is part of the bigger project, to destroy the power of churches.

faraway on June 20, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Totalitarians will never understand that they can’t take away what they didn’t give.

txhsmom on June 20, 2013 at 8:50 AM

I actually think he’s just a simplistic one-note Pollyanna.

Had he been standing on the rubble speaking into a megaphone 09/12/2001 it would have been

“Can’t we just love one another?!”

Marcus on June 20, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Exactly what do you expect from someone who sat in Rev. Wrights “church” for 20+ years???…

PatriotRider on June 20, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Hypocrite Obama sends his children to a religious (quaker) school: Sidwell.

debg on June 20, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Trying to start up the entire Na Trioblóidí all over again, are ya, now, Barry?

Not satisfied with the violence in the Middle East…now ya want to stick it to the Brits by starting war in their backyard all over again?

coldwarrior on June 20, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Obama’s crusade to destroy the Christian churches continues. Really . . . is this what you liberals/leftists want?

rplat on June 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM

See Progressives have their religion…..The all powerful state.

And THEY have their indoctrination centers called “public” schools where they get to preach the power of the state but like all evil Progressive thought they really want to have ALL CONTROL. From your schools, to your choices on toilet sizes, to showerhead water pressure, to mandatory separation of your food waste. WHATEVER gives them CONTROL over our lives……..THAT is what they want.

And Conservatives suck at refuting this or offering a coherent explanation.

So here we are…….living in the United States of Insania.

PappyD61 on June 20, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Oh, and what about Sidwell “Friends”, which is, given its Quaker affiliation, a religious school?

Put the mini-Mooches in the DC public schools, Baracka.

northdallasthirty on June 20, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Trying to remember the last time a terror attack against the US was sponsored by either Catholic or Protestant school.

Bmore on June 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM

What disappoints me is that the great radio talkers don’t take these pontifications (pun intended) and the idiocy of the Harry Reids and Nancy Pelosi verbiage and play them with a laugh track.

You can’t counter mockery.

And with a laugh track, maybe the low-fos will pay attention to the idea that this can’t be serious.

Wander on June 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Is Bill Ayers Catholic?

Bmore on June 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM

President Obama has the small “s” spirit of anti-Christ.

Kjeil on June 20, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Thats Sister Bridgit Mary to you sir.

celtic warrior on June 20, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Well, there wasn’t much left of the first amendment, anyway.

The Rogue Tomato on June 20, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Trying to remember the last time a terror attack against the US was sponsored by either Catholic or Protestant school.

Bmore on June 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM

According to some liberals, it’s ‘terrorism’ to protest across the street from a Planned Parenthood office. But Obama has yet to call Ft. Hood an act of terror.

Liam on June 20, 2013 at 8:57 AM

As someone who knows firsthand how politics can encourage division and discourage cooperation

Boy howdy, does he ever. His mama never taught him to mind his own business, either. He’s trying to sound more and more like the one true leader of the whole world when he couldn’t even achieve peace in this country.

Kissmygrits on June 20, 2013 at 8:58 AM

there are people living in the grip of conflict — ethnic conflict, religious conflict, tribal conflicts — and they know something better is out there.

It sounds like he is describing students who attend our failed public school system.

HarryBackside on June 20, 2013 at 8:58 AM

War on religious

clement on June 20, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Alinsky once boasted, “I feel confident that I could persuade a millionaire on a Friday to subsidize a revolution for Saturday out of which he would make a huge profit on Sunday even though he was certain to be executed on Monday.”

The ‘millionaire’ in this case is the Catholic Church.

faraway on June 20, 2013 at 8:58 AM

POTUS: what a maroon…

Khun Joe on June 20, 2013 at 8:59 AM

What Obama is thinking we need is more Madrasas to bring about Dar al-Islam sooner.

Fenris on June 20, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Well, this is from the same person who asked his sycophants to “punish your enemies.” This hater-in-chief is making a good run at Andrew Jackson’s hater legacy.

cyclown on June 20, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Trying to remember the last time a terror attack against the US was sponsored by either Catholic or Protestant school.

Bmore on June 20, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Maybe they should start. Then Obama and the Left might afford them the same respect they give to radical madrassas.

JimLennon on June 20, 2013 at 9:01 AM

I served 13 years in the Army. I flew the flag every day. I voted in every election, I sent letters to my representatives. I supported even our war efforts that seemed ill conceived. No more.

Now I look upon these bozos at the head of the federal government and consider them more my enemies than any Taliban Pashtun tribesman or bloodthirsty Arab jihadi.

claudius on June 20, 2013 at 9:02 AM

HarryBackside on June 20, 2013 at 8:58 AM

The very same thought hit me, too.

coldwarrior on June 20, 2013 at 9:02 AM

But, of course. Religious schools provide competition to public (ergo, government) schools. Anything that competes with the government is baaaaaaaaad in The One’s world.

Bitter Clinger on June 20, 2013 at 9:03 AM

As someone who knows firsthand how politics can encourage division and discourage cooperation

GET IN THEIR FACES. – Barack Obama

WE REWARD OUR FRIENDS AND PUNISH OUR ENEMIES. – Barack Obama

THEY BRING A KNIFE, WE BRING A GUN. – Barack Obama

Good Lt on June 20, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Did he when visiting, say, Israel, say “You Jews shouldn’t have synagogue schools and you muslims shouldn’t have mosque schools.” I can’t remember. Did he?

I’m more curious to know if he said it during any of his many trips to Northern Virginia, where there are more than a few mosque schools which have ties to radical Islam.

AZCoyote on June 20, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Ugh,Hopey/Changey

Fence-Post Turtle Fundamentalism
Anti-Religion TransForMational
sumpins!!

canopfor on June 20, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Fenris on June 20, 2013 at 8:59 AM

If Barry wants dar-es Salaam so bad he can go to Tanzania…

Does anyone else find it just a little bit ironic that Dar es-Salaam was founded as a slave port…

We get dar es-Salaam here in the US and we will all be slaves.

coldwarrior on June 20, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Just when I think Obama cannot astonish me any more, there he goes again.

The one thing that would really improve education in Chicago (his home town) is to bring back the nuns.

esr1951 on June 20, 2013 at 9:07 AM

GET IN THEIR FACES. – Barack Obama

WE REWARD OUR FRIENDS AND PUNISH OUR ENEMIES. – Barack Obama

THEY BRING A KNIFE, WE BRING A GUN. – Barack Obama

Good Lt on June 20, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Good Lt:Excellent recall,yup,you nailed it:)

canopfor on June 20, 2013 at 9:08 AM

I’m sure a madrasa is just fine. It’s only the Christian schools and religion that are not fine. This is one of the reason I’m a Christian. The whole first world is anti-Christian and considers it a major threat. Even though they are faced with daily death and destruction from Islam they feel it is not a threat. I’m convinced that first world liberals think Christianity and Judaism are religions and all the rest are just harmless or quaint cultural customs.

Dr. Frank Enstine on June 20, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Something tells me he doesn’t mean Madrassas in the Muslim world.

Ben Hur on June 20, 2013 at 9:09 AM

coldwarrior on June 20, 2013 at 9:05 AM

I may end up being a lot of things and I have done a lot of things I am not proud of. But I guarantee you I will not be a slave.

Fenris on June 20, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Is Barry even aware that his own daughters attend a religious school?

From Wiki (emphasis added):

Sidwell Friends School is a highly selective Quaker private school located in Bethesda, Maryland and Washington, D.C., offering pre-kindergarten through secondary school classes. Founded in 1883 by Thomas Sidwell, its motto is “Eluceat omnibus lux” (Let the light shine out from all), alluding to the Quaker concept of inner light. All Sidwell Friends students attend Quaker meeting for worship weekly.

The school’s admissions process is merit-based. As documented on the school’s website, it gives preference in admissions decisions to members of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers), but otherwise does not discriminate on the basis of religion. The school accepts vouchers under the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program.

Described as “the Harvard of Washington’s private schools”,[1] the school has educated children of notable politicians, including those of several Presidents, and personalities. Both of United States President Barack Obama’s daughters, Sasha and Malia, and Vice President Joe Biden’s grandchildren attend the school.

AZCoyote on June 20, 2013 at 9:10 AM

claudius on June 20, 2013 at 9:02 AM

I am still amazed that people think we can co-exist with the left. We need to either force leftists out or separate from them entirely. They want nothing more than every person to bend the knee to their one and only deity, the Fed. As was stated earlier, they will not stop until every/any institution that challenges the Fed is destroyed.

JAGonzo on June 20, 2013 at 9:10 AM

I attended a Lutheran K-8 school in a Chicagoland suburb. I don’t recall any Catholic-hating lessons. My siblings and I got along great in our middle-class neighborhood with all of our Catholic neighbors, some of whom went to public school and some of whom went to Catholic school.

I remember one family was looked upon with a little suspicion. But that’s because the dad was a Packers fan. I was a bit of an outsider too because I was a White Sox fan while everyone else was a Cubs fan. Indeed, I quietly reveled in seeing the Cubs fold late in the 1969 season to the amazing Mets.

At any rate, Obama is a divisive moron.

BuckeyeSam on June 20, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Fenris on June 20, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Got that right. Makes at least two of us.

coldwarrior on June 20, 2013 at 9:12 AM

My friend Father Z wonders whether Obama will make this call truly consistent:

Did he when visiting, say, Israel, say “You Jews shouldn’t have synagogue schools…” I can’t remember. Did he?

No, he didn’t…and if he did, they wouldn’t know what ‘synagogue schools’ are anyways, they are called Yeshiva schools btw, and Fathed Z should know that much…as for O telling them which schools to go to, he’d probably not be allowed in Israel again, if he’s stupid enough tipo try that nonsense speech there…once again, what an idiot president we have…

jimver on June 20, 2013 at 9:13 AM

If he ain’t the antichrist, he certainly is a minion…

crosshugger on June 20, 2013 at 9:14 AM

‘To try’ that is…

jimver on June 20, 2013 at 9:14 AM

But, of course. Religious schools provide competition to public (ergo, government) schools. Anything that competes with the government is baaaaaaaaad in The One’s world.

Bitter Clinger on June 20, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Common Core is about to destroy the independence of religious schools. I can’t wait until some of these idiotic Catholic schools that are adopting Common Core later learn that the curriculum they must teach includes lessons about how awesomely awesome homosexuality is.

BuckeyeSam on June 20, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Comsymp

Philly on June 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Barry wants the entire world worshipping at the altar of One World Government, with himself as its Pope.

AZCoyote on June 20, 2013 at 9:17 AM

BuckeyeSam on June 20, 2013 at 9:15 AM

And all Islamic schools are exempt from any of the standards under Common Core…infringes on their beliefs, ya know.

As for Common Core…just another attempt to federalize all local schools…public and religious…’cept for them Muzzies, of course.

coldwarrior on June 20, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Everyone knows he wouldn’t dare say such a thing in an Islamic country and referring to Islamic schools, yet we know those DO sow division.

What the hell business does he have commenting on their schools anyway?

changer1701 on June 20, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Again, Ed, you have all missed the point. Obama is calling for the end of religious segregation in Ireland:

Residents today on both sides of so-called “peace lines” – barricades of brick, steel and barbed wire that divide neighborhoods, roads and even one Belfast playground – insist the physical divisions must stay to keep violence at bay.

“I’d love to see that wall taken down and I could say hi to my neighbors, but it isn’t going to happen. There’d be cold-blooded murder and I’d have to move out,” said Donna Turley, 48, smoking a cigarette at her patio table in the Short Strand, the sole Irish Catholic enclave in otherwise Protestant east Belfast.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/15/3453682/for-belfast-keeping-peace-means.html#storylink=cpy

The Irish are segregated much as any ethnic or religious conflicts were. Catholics/Protestants have their separate stores, schools, playgrounds, workplaces and still think “us verses them”. We in the United States don’t kill each other in cold blood, because we haven’t made the distinction between Catholics and Protestants … the Irish still do.

ZachV on June 20, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Barry wants the entire world worshipping at the altar of One World Government, with himself as its Pope.

AZCoyote on June 20, 2013 at 9:17 AM

He’s going to be disappointed.

txhsmom on June 20, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Barry wants to rid the planet of all those old-fashioned concepts like religions, and religious schools, and national borders, and sovereign nations.

Like Barry, we’re all Citizens of the World! That’s why we must pass “comprehensive immigration reform” now!

AZCoyote on June 20, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Nice job Notre Dame, do you see the results of your actions?

PackerBronco on June 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM

I was a bit of an outsider too because I was a White Sox fan while everyone else was a Cubs fan. Indeed, I quietly reveled in seeing the Cubs fold late in the 1969 season to the amazing Mets.

At any rate, Obama is a divisive moron.

BuckeyeSam on June 20, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Hey just this week the head of the Chicago Teachers’ Union said that rich white people are to blame for her organization’s membership being bad teachers.

“When will there be an honest conversation about the poverty, racism and inequality that hinders the delivery of a quality education product in our school system?” Lewis also asked in the speech. “When will we address the fact that rich, white people think they know what’s in the best interest of children of African Americans and Latinos—no matter what the parent’s income or education level.”

I leave it to you if the rat-eared commie’s religious divisiveness or this vile woman (a Cubs fan BTW) is more divisive when she uses race and class warfare to make excuses for a bunch of people incapable of doing their jobs. When will any Demonrat or liberal take responsibility for their actions? Rich whites are not to blame for failing schools in Chicago…… bad teachers are!

Happy Nomad on June 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM

There shalt be only one god and that would be The State.

Your secular humanistic utopia is going to be awesome!

tom daschle concerned on June 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM

AZCoyote on June 20, 2013 at 9:10 AM

You are talking about the man who’s picture would be next to the word hipocracy if the dictionary provided examples. Besides, he knows that no one in that crowd would know that info so it’s ok in his book because he isn’t really lying. It’s not lying if they don’t know the truth.

TturnP on June 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Of course many Atheists also see religion as divisive. As do communists. Remember Religion is Poison.

Bmore on June 20, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Obama is an ignorant uneducated raving fascist.

The British government instituted The Penal Laws in Ireland that were in effect in one fashion or another for 300 years.

That is the source of the conflict in Northern Ireland…The legacy of the damned Penal Laws. It was the Catholic Church in Ireland that kept the poor educated through Hedge Schools, and supported the Irish keeping the Irish language and the Irish culture alive. It was illegal to even speak or write Irish within their own country for centuries.

“The term Penal Laws in Ireland (Irish: Na Péindlíthe) describes a series of laws imposed in an attempt to force Irish Catholics and Protestant dissenters (such as Presbyterians) to accept the reformed Christian faith as defined by the English state established Anglican Church and practised by members of the Irish state established Church of Ireland (Anglican, The Crown Church). Any remaining penal laws were finally repealed in 1920 by the Government of Ireland Act.

In Scotland Presybyterian dissenters were hounded out of the country, while Catholics were crushed during the annihilation of the Highland Clans. Presbyterians eventually settled in Northern Ireland, but faced persecution and left Northern Ireland for settlement in the American colonies. These are the Ulster Scots of our Colonial and Revolutionary History…Many of these protestant dissenters settled in Virginia and throughout the american south.

“The Penal Laws were, according to Edmund Burke “a machine of wise and elaborate contrivance, as well fitted for the oppression, impoverishment and degradation of a people, and the debasement in them of human nature itself, as ever proceeded from the perverted ingenuity of man.”

My ancestors on my Father’s side are from both of these lines. We settled as Ulster Scots in Virginia in 1739 coming from the Brandywine in Pa because there was land and freedom for Presbyterians. My immigrant ancestor fought the in the French-Indian war as many virginia frontiersmen did and his son fought the British in the Revolutionary War. My Irish Catholic ancestors immigrated to St. Louis during the Potato Famine(s) and the two lines married in my paternal grandparents.

Obama is anti-Christian in general and especially anti-Catholic.

workingclass artist on June 20, 2013 at 9:26 AM

It’s not just that Sidwell Friends is a Quaker school, it’s that it costs $35,000 to go there. The Obamas are spending $70,000 per year to send their kids there.

Meanwhile, Obama and his political cohorts want to make sure that the rabble can’t do the same, by killing the Opportunity Scholorship program.

If that isn’t divisive, I don’t know what is. It’s just dividing between our new aristocracy and the peons.

HakerA on June 20, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Maybe he’s not really trying to destroy religion… maybe he’s just in too deep, and talking about things above his pay grade.

Why can’t the more simple answer – that he thinks he’s far smarter than he really is – be the correct answer?

On second though, he did resent that people cling on to God and guns, didn’t he?…

ChristianRock on June 20, 2013 at 9:27 AM

If the Irish Protestants still have their own buildings and the Irish Catholics still have theirs; if the Irish still have walls running through their cities, there will NEVER be an end to the conflict in Northern Ireland. They will forever villainize the other faith and see them as the “other” across the wall. They still and will continue to have homemade bombs, gang violence, terrorist acts, vandalism and all manner of the violence that still plagues them in 2013 … if they continue to segregate themselves.

ZachV on June 20, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Religious schools encourage division…

Think on that for a moment.

Spoken by a sitting US President.

If true, then why are any Islamic schools allowed to operate within the United States?

There is ample documentation of a direct connection between these schools and Wahhabiist Islamofascism…and no other type or set of schools within our border has this distinction, where hate for Jews, Christians,and other infidels, to include the secular state apparatus, is applauded and encouraged by teachers and having students inculcated with this high degree of hatred for anything not Mohammedan, or deemed proper under Shariah.

If a Catholic School or Lutheran, or even the local First United Methodist parochial school did the same, the feds would be all over them, pulling their tax-exempt status, indicting faculty for hate crimes, and ripping kids away from their “bigot” parents and putting them into state-controlled foster homes…

But, Mohammedans?

Barry…your roots are showing.

coldwarrior on June 20, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Everyone knows he wouldn’t dare say such a thing in an Islamic country and referring to Islamic schools, yet we know those DO sow division.

What the hell business does he have commenting on their schools anyway?

changer1701 on June 20, 2013 at 9:20 AM

He started by comparing their religous schools to the segregated schools in the South. As if there is any valid comparison there.

More to the point, he really is a lazy stupid vile human being if he thinks that the conflict in Northern Ireland had anything to do with religion (beyond the cultural clash of the English and Irish). It was about the “occupation” and not the faith.

Happy Nomad on June 20, 2013 at 9:29 AM

As a Muslim himself, Obama would never call for an end to “madrassas”!

But it is all the Christians’ fault of course…

Dale in Atlanta on June 20, 2013 at 9:29 AM

anti-Christ

losarkos on June 20, 2013 at 9:30 AM

ZachV on June 20, 2013 at 9:21 AM

You are naive.

Obama has no business telling the Irish how to settle their affairs.

Obama and many leftists want to break the parochial school system as a means to break opposition to their socialist secular agenda.

Obama has stated publicly that Religion is confined to the 4 walls of a church on sundays.

workingclass artist on June 20, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Bitter Clinger on June 20, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Eye of the beholder

He has a point but it is very easy to see problems when you detest the overall program.

Just as you said, these schools obstruct the rush toward the destruction of Christianity and the monopoly of state education.

I would also ask, aside from the ad buy in Pakistan, where is the pressure to get Islam to stop wanting to kill us and the psy war effort for them to be less insular? An Afghan told me that US invaders were the first ones who would come by and have dinner with the locals. He liked that a lot.

It is a lot harder to ask the other side to change when you think the evening call to prayer is the most beautiful sound you ever heard. And when you are narcissistic enough to be unmoved by the burned, dismembered or shot bodies of the guys you sent to make friends in a dusty place you can’t pronounce or citizens on the streets of Boston or New York.

Does this guy have a scar on his whole body?

IlikedAUH2O on June 20, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Home schooling is the next target. Just wait.

We’re like sitting targets for this malicious POS totalitarian. As the GOP — “the opposition party” — slavers to pass his “comprehensive immigration reform” lest they be labeled “obstructionists” or “racists.”

rrpjr on June 20, 2013 at 9:35 AM

If having religious schools save only one diverse opinion or life experience, they’re worth it.

Dusty on June 20, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Criticize madrasas, hell no, he’s not going to criticize his “alma mater”; but, he’ll surely criticize anything relating to Christianity because Obama is a radical Mislim extremist.

RoyalFlush on June 20, 2013 at 9:35 AM

If the Irish Protestants still have their own buildings and the Irish Catholics still have theirs; if the Irish still have walls running through their cities, there will NEVER be an end to the conflict in Northern Ireland. They will forever villainize the other faith and see them as the “other” across the wall. They still and will continue to have homemade bombs, gang violence, terrorist acts, vandalism and all manner of the violence that still plagues them in 2013 … if they continue to segregate themselves.

ZachV on June 20, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Protestants in Northern Ireland consider themselves citizens of the Crown…

Catholics in Northern Ireland consider themselves Irish and would like to unite with the Irish Republic.

Let them sort it out.

workingclass artist on June 20, 2013 at 9:38 AM

They still and will continue to have homemade bombs, gang violence, terrorist acts, vandalism and all manner of the violence that still plagues them in 2013 … if they continue to segregate themselves.

ZachV on June 20, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Yeah, that reminds me of those terrorists from Chinatown and Indian reservations. Oh wait…

faraway on June 20, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Mr. president why are you so intolerant? Why are you such a hater? Can’t answer? Cat got your teleprompter?

onomo on June 20, 2013 at 9:39 AM

He started by comparing their religous schools to the segregated schools in the South. As if there is any valid comparison there.

YES!

In America, we have public high schools and religious schools. Students and parents are free to choose if they want to go to public schools or religious schools.

But that’s not the case in Northern Ireland.

In Northern Ireland, there is no choice, because the public schools themselves are segregated. Joe Catholic could NOT go to public High School O’Whatever, because that public school is only for Protestants. The public school has no religious charter, because it’s sponsored by the government, but it still is one religion only, and Joe Catholic would probably be removed by school officials.

ZachV on June 20, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Obama: Religious schools encourage division

Obama: [Northern Irish] Religious public schools [segregated by religion] encourage division

FTFY

ZachV on June 20, 2013 at 9:46 AM

However, this makes a handy mechanism to call for the displacement of private education and religious instruction from education, with nothing left except state-controlled schools that indoctrinate children into whatever norms the governing/ruling class deem acceptable progressivism.

slickwillie2001 on June 20, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Obama’s crusade to destroy the Christian churches continues. Really . . . is this what you liberals/leftists want?

rplat on June 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM

YES!

slickwillie2001 on June 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM

The one thing that would really improve education in Chicago (his home town) is to bring back the nuns.

esr1951 on June 20, 2013 at 9:07 AM

After Belushi died, the nuns couldn’t pay their rent anymore. :(

GWB on June 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM

In Northern Ireland, there is no choice, because the public schools themselves are segregated. Joe Catholic could NOT go to public High School O’Whatever, because that public school is only for Protestants. The public school has no religious charter, because it’s sponsored by the government, but it still is one religion only, and Joe Catholic would probably be removed by school officials.

ZachV on June 20, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Okay, so even then, the rat-eared coward’s comparison to Southern segregated schools is off target. Schools were segregated in the South for perceived inferiority of one race vis-a-vis the other. That’s not the case in Northern Ireland. And it certainly isn’t as if the Irish are running state-run madrasas or hold jihadi summer camps like Obama’s people do.

Happy Nomad on June 20, 2013 at 9:50 AM

This coming from a man whose alma mater Columbia University is filled with professors who did time in prison for murder & terror activities and are now indoctrinating our teenage students.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/19/columbia-cons-ivy-league-social-work-program-run-by-team-former-prisoners/?intcmp=trending

RdLake on June 20, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Obama: [Northern Irish] Religious public schools [segregated by religion] encourage division

FTFY

ZachV on June 20, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Well Zach, please show me in that speech where Oblahblah specified public schools? He painted with a broad brush so stop defending the POS.

BeachBum on June 20, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Do these sodomites ever express an iota of discernment or wisdom?

tom daschle concerned on June 20, 2013 at 9:51 AM

In Northern Ireland, there is no choice, because the public schools themselves are segregated. Joe Catholic could NOT go to public High School O’Whatever, because that public school is only for Protestants. The public school has no religious charter, because it’s sponsored by the government, but it still is one religion only, and Joe Catholic would probably be removed by school officials.

ZachV on June 20, 2013 at 9:40 AM

No that’s not entirely accurate as integrated schools have been expanding.

Here’s the big problem with the integrated education system.

The British (Local Protestants) teach regional history that favors their politics both culturally and politically.

The Irish have a different understanding of the joys of the Historic British Colonial effort in Ireland.

The Irish will settle it.

workingclass artist on June 20, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Does this guy have a scar on his whole body?

IlikedAUH2O on June 20, 2013 at 9:35 AM

I thought I saw one up by his temple, once. Just by the hairline….

GWB on June 20, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Let’s be thankful that Obama is not the One World Leader even though he thinks he is.
Cherokee on June 20, 2013 at 8:45 AM

He’s working on it, don’t kid yourself. I firmly believe that Obama sees US President as merely a stepping stone to a higher office. Just watch.

tommyboy on June 20, 2013 at 9:56 AM

As for Bary’s comment that peace is not about politics…he certainly loves to politicize.

Michael Higgins coming to the United States and calling for US schools to be more-religious…or even hinting that we are not doing it the right way??? Think Obama would appreciate that?

Barry…what goes on in Northern Ireland is none of yer damn business.

What ya trying to do, re-start The Troubles all over again?

coldwarrior on June 20, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Translation: put all your kids in public schools and make class sizes even bigger. They learn better that way when they have less attention paid to them.

princetrumpet on June 20, 2013 at 9:58 AM

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