Harry Reid: We could pass the Gang of Eight’s immigration bill right now if we wanted to; Update: Should they?

posted at 5:21 pm on June 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

He’s bluffing. I think. I hope?

Dude, I’m nervous:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said the Gang of Eight’s immigration bill can pass the Senate in its current form, although he’s open to border security changes that don’t destroy the bill’s pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants.

“It’s a good bill that could pass the Senate if we voted on it today, tomorrow or next week. Just as it is,” Reid said.

As Reid spoke to reporters on Tuesday afternoon, Republican senators like John Hoeven (N.D.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.) were working with some members of the Gang of Eight to craft a way to strengthen the bill’s border security measures while also not turning off Democrats. Reid said he encourages that effort, but drew the line at adding tough “triggers” to the bill, as has been suggested by Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas).

Two questions: Is he right, and does it matter? As to the first — yeah, maybe. If he pulled the trigger and moved for cloture today, he probably has at least five Republican votes in McCain, Graham, Flake, Kelly Ayotte, and of course Marco Rubio, who’d suddenly face a very tough choice in whether to abandon his demands for more border security and accept the bill as is. Assuming all 54 Democrats vote yes, which they’d be under tremendous pressure to do from both Reid and the White House, that gives Reid 59. Anyone think Lisa Murkowski or Susan Collins wouldn’t round it off to an even 60 there? So yeah, Reid can probably break a filibuster, unless Rubio finally melts under all the heat he’s getting from the right lately. Chances of that are slim, though. It’s in his long-term political interest to stick with the bill, no matter how much abuse he takes in the near term.

But getting the bill through the Senate isn’t their problem. Getting it through the House is, and as Chuck Schumer’s insisted all along, to put heat on the House they need a strong showing from Republicans in the Senate in favor. Seventy votes is the goal, not 60. Is that doable? Increasingly it seems like … no, it isn’t:

Congressional Republicans say the opposition from their activist base to the Senate plan is only growing, making it easier for GOP senators to oppose the Senate bill — particularly if the border security provisions remain largely unchanged.

“If you listen to the number of calls, the emails that our offices are getting right now, the bombardment is pretty one-sided,” said South Dakota Sen. John Thune, No. 3 in GOP leadership. “That’s just the way it is.”

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, who was once viewed as a gettable vote, said, “There’s no great groundswell of Republicans telling me to vote for this.”…

But move too far to the right, and the bipartisan coalition could shed Democratic support. Several senior Democratic aides said the alternative GOP border plan — as of late Tuesday afternoon — had little chance of winning backing from Democrats, saying the so-called triggers to achieve a pathway to citizenship are too onerous.

Paul’s quote there is key. Comprehensive reform polls well consistently, but most of the public isn’t passionate about it and, to the extent that they are, they’re very much in favor of more border security. The energy is all on the side of opponents — the sort of people who’ll turn out in force to vote in statewide primaries while low-information voters stay home. What Reid, Schumer, and Obama should be trying to do here is find a border-security amendment — Cornyn’s, Corker’s and Hoeven’s, or even something from Rubio — that’ll sacrifice Democratic votes in the name of winning Republican ones. That’s the only way to give the bill a fighting chance in the House. But they have a base to answer to as well, and the pro-amnesty lefty base really, really doesn’t want any meaningful border-security triggers in the bill. At a bare minimum, they want probationary legalization for illegals right away and some sort of weak border trigger for the path to citizenship to begin later. The stronger the triggers get, the more Democrats you lose — with no guarantee of being able to replace them with jittery Republicans in the Senate or the House. If I were a Democrat, I’d take virtually any deal the GOP needs to make this happen, knowing that the “we need to win Latinos!” feeling among Republican leaders will inevitably lead them to soften the bill’s legalization provisions in the future when conservatives are paying less attention. But evidently they’re not prepared to do that (yet?). For once, the GOP might not be the stupid party here.

Speaking of dwindling support for reform, here’s Rand Paul basically walking away from the bill by insisting that he wants even the first initial probationary legalization granted to illegals to come after the border is secured — an absolute dealbreaker for Democrats and the Gang of Eight, Rubio included. That’s big news because Paul’s vote was, kinda sorta, in play through all of this. As in virtually all his policy maneuverings, he’s eager to impress libertarians by supporting reform of some kind but leery of alienating conservatives by supporting a bill they can’t stand for its weakness on the border. As pressure on the right against Rubio’s bill has built, Paul’s begun inching away from it until now, apparently, he’s become a lost cause. If he voted yes, it’d give cover to tea partiers and to Republicans to his left who are worried about primary challenges from the base to vote yes along with him. Without Paul, Rubio’s job just got harder. Click the image to watch.

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Update: Good question from Mickey Kaus.

If they think they bill’s doomed in the House, they might as well vote now and try to embarrass Rubio with its failure in the Senate so that he can’t claim any sort of legislative achievement in 2016. Which raises another question: Would it be better for the GOP to help pass it in the Senate, knowing that the House will torpedo it? Then you get the best of both worlds — proof for Latino voters that there’s a significant constituency in the GOP willing to vote for this thing but no bill at the end of the day. Problem is, there’s no way to ensure that the House won’t turn around and pass something ineffective too. A House veto is probably on balance, but not assured.


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FOOLS!!!

Bmore on June 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

We have to consider those Republicans that stand with the Dems on this all important issue as the ultimate traders. Primary every one of them.

anotherJoe on June 19, 2013 at 5:29 PM

If they think the bill’s doomed in the House, they might as well vote now and try to embarrass Rubio with its failure in the Senate so that he can’t claim any sort of legislative achievement in 2016.

Chuck Schumer played Rubio like a dime store Ukelele.

portlandon on June 19, 2013 at 5:29 PM

I will support Rubio’s primary opponent.

crash72 on June 19, 2013 at 5:30 PM

If they think they bill’s doomed in the House

This reads so Obamaesque.

Schadenfreude on June 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM

I will support Rubio’s primary opponent.

crash72 on June 19, 2013 at 5:30 PM

If it’s Allen West, Rubio is finished.

LaughterJones on June 19, 2013 at 5:31 PM

If they think they bill’s doomed in the House, they might as well vote now and try to embarrass Rubio with its failure in the Senate so that he can’t claim any sort of legislative achievement in 2016. Which raises another question: Would it be better for the GOP to help pass it in the Senate, knowing that the House will torpedo it? Then you get the best of both worlds — proof for Latino voters that there’s a significant constituency in the GOP willing to vote for this thing but no bill at the end of the day. Problem is, there’s no way to ensure that the House won’t turn around and pass something ineffective too. A House veto is probably on balance, but not assured.

This right here proves that DC is full of harlots.

The entire gov’t is rogue, from the left to the right.

Throw them all out.

Schadenfreude on June 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM

ultimate traitors… not traders
geez!

anotherJoe on June 19, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Yepper portlandon

cmsinaz on June 19, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Ted Cruz said on Rush Limbaugh that he thinks Reid is gettin’ nervous because public support for the bill is shrinking…He also told Rush that it definitely matters when voters call their congressmen and senators and encouraged every listener in the audience to call washington and oppose this bill.

It was a good interview AP…you should think about posting the transcript at Hotair…Cruz was great.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM

The Senate is going to pass this.

It’s a win-win for the Democrats and they know it.

Anything else is just gravy.

catmman on June 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Wait a minute, I thought this bill had already passed a cloture vote, which is why they are proceeding on debate and amendments now. Reid doesn’t need 60 votes to pass it. He WANTS 70 votes though, which is why he won’t call for a vote on it yet. He is also playing this out to maximize divisions within the Republican ranks. He may even allow a few amendments if he thinks it will get him a few more Republican votes for the amnesty part.

Just remember, he also thought he had the votes in 2007 and a Republican President ready to sign it.

rockmom on June 19, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Rubio humiliated?

Isn’t that a win for conservatives?

I’ll be glad to let liberals call me a racist for abandoning Rubio, who abandoned me first.

BuckeyeSam on June 19, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Sure it could pass now. If Reid is content to get it through with 60 like Obamacare, then there are enough sellout Republican Senators who’ll vote for it. But it he wants 70(or at least in the high 60′s), that’s gonna be a lot tougher, especially if this drags on and public opposition grows.

Would it be better for the GOP to help pass it in the Senate, knowing that the House will torpedo it? Then you get the best of both worlds — proof for Latino voters that there’s a significant constituency in the GOP willing to vote for this thing but no bill at the end of the day. Problem is, there’s no way to ensure that the House won’t turn around and pass something ineffective too. A House veto is probably on balance, but not assured.

It cuts both ways electorally. Sure the GOP can go to Latino voters and claim they passed amnesty….errrr, immigration reform in the Senate and demand credit for at least doing that much. But the flipside is they’d have to also defend that vote to their base who will be very PO’d even if this thing does wind up dying in the House. Pick your poison, Republicans. Or better yet, don’t bother taking any poison, go with what’s behind Door #3, and kill the damn bill in BOTH chambers.

Doughboy on June 19, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Rubio is already political dead meat unless he does the following:
1) Proclaim his opposition since the Dems refuse any meaningful border security requirements, helping kill the bill in the Senate.
2) Follow Ted Cruz around like a puppy dog and does EVERYTHING Ted does for 3 years, hoping the base forget about this debacle.

michaelo on June 19, 2013 at 5:36 PM

I’ve noticed talk radio picking up some serious steam on the issue.

mjbrooks3 on June 19, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Schumer ground the organ, and Rubio danced for nickels.

All went as planned. Dumba**.

madmonkphotog on June 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

There’s no public support for amnesty before enforcement. It’s 2-to-1 for enforcement before amnesty.

Now, let’s start talking about the creepy aspects of the bill.

Why are ACORN-type groups funded in perpetuity to assimilate new immigrants?

BuckeyeSam on June 19, 2013 at 5:39 PM

The Gang of 8 (a more appropriate name there isn’t) provides amnesty for 45 million illegals.

Schadenfreude on June 19, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Harry has to think how all of this plays with the predominantly Hispanic-member unions along the ‘Vegas Strip. He’s made a lot of promises to their activists and some of what he’s said could come back to bite him.

Another Drew on June 19, 2013 at 5:42 PM

The Senate is going to pass this.

It’s a win-win for the Democrats and they know it.

Anything else is just gravy.

catmman on June 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Maybe it is a win if you are a Demonrat and not up for reelection until 2016 or 2018. But the RINOs need to understand something too….. your support of amnesty for the illegals here and opening the floodgates for little brown people to arrive here “legally” without ever leaving will be noticed. Vulnerable worthless red state partisan whores like Mary Landrieu (up in 2014) will be the bellweather.

Happy Nomad on June 19, 2013 at 5:43 PM

I’ve noticed talk radio picking up some serious steam on the issue.

mjbrooks3 on June 19, 2013 at 5:36 PM

It is but we can’t count on that. As another poster noted Ted Cruz encouraged all of Rush’s audience this morning to call your Senators and Congressmen. I won’t waste my time with harry red but I have been calling Sen. Heller. HA should post all of the phone #’s so we can have a phoneline melting party. Again.

VegasRick on June 19, 2013 at 5:43 PM

“It’s a good bill…

…which is how you know for sure it isn’t.

Sockpuppet Politic on June 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM

OT- I’m wearing a bunny suit in protest…

Fallon on June 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Reid didn’t bluff on gun control. He said the votes weren’t there, and it flamed out.

El_Terrible on June 19, 2013 at 5:47 PM

So basically Rs are just haggling over their price huh ??

burrata on June 19, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Here’s the problem, as I see it, the Republicans are too busy trying to make the Democrats happy when they should be telling the Democrats, “If you really want this bill, you need to pass it through a Republican House. The happier the Democrats are, the less likely it will pass through the House. The funny thing? Who get’s blamed? Rubio and Ryan because that’s whose name is on all those commercials. Secondly, the Republicans, because the Democrat Senate is willing to send a bill to the House they know won’t pass there. It’s an ambush, if they allow Reid to get away with this.

bflat879 on June 19, 2013 at 5:48 PM

OT But Obama tipped his hand bigtime…One of the opponents to Obama’s secular agenda are the Bishops of the Catholic Church.

“Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive

The Catholic media is up in arms over comments President Obama made during a speech while in Northern Ireland for the G8 summit. Obama made what is described as “an alarming call for an end to Catholic education,” in spite of the fact that it is considered “a critical component of the Church.”

In front of an audience of about 2,000 young people, including many Catholics, Obama claimed that Catholic education divides people and blocks peace, according to the Scottish Catholic Observer.

“If towns remain divided—if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs, if we can’t see ourselves in one another and fear or resentment are allowed to harden—that too encourages division and discourages cooperation,” Obama said.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/06/19/obama-offends-catholics-in-the-uk-says-religious-schools-are-divisive-78053

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 5:49 PM

If they think they bill’s doomed in the House

Lol, all the scandals must be getting to you; you’re speaking ebonics now. Seriously, get some sleep dude.

abobo on June 19, 2013 at 5:51 PM

…there’s a significant constituency in the GOP willing to vote for this thing

I’m a constituent and I interface with a lot of constituents and all of us hate a path to citizenship.

Mr. Arrogant on June 19, 2013 at 5:51 PM

OT- I’m wearing a bunny suit in protest…

Fallon on June 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Okay, but now you’re confusing me. That’s how I picture HotAirLiberal on any given day. Are you finding common cause with the left or is this a conservative bunny suit. ;0

Happy Nomad on June 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM

HA should post all of the phone #’s so we can have a phoneline melting party.

You sir are a heretic.

Mr. Arrogant on June 19, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Which raises another question: Would it be better for the GOP to help pass it in the Senate, knowing that the House will torpedo it? Then you get the best of both worlds — proof for Latino voters that there’s a significant constituency in the GOP willing to vote for this thing but no bill at the end of the day.

Not no, but HELL NO! We need to stop with the 9th dimensional chess. We’re going to get max 20-30% of “latino” vote no matter what we do – as history has shown. Do what is in the best interests of America (current, legal America). AP, would you ask that same asinine question – “should we try to pass it in the Senate since we know (or at least strongly think, or kinda think, or…wait how many martinis has Boehner had today)the issue will die in the House” if the issue was ObamaCare, Gun Control, or Restricting Free Speech? You don’t mess around when the republic is at stake, and with this bill it is.

LtBarnwell02 on June 19, 2013 at 5:55 PM

OT- I’m wearing a bunny suit in protest…

Fallon on June 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM

HA!!! ; )

Bmore on June 19, 2013 at 5:55 PM

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/06/19/obama-offends-catholics-in-the-uk-says-religious-schools-are-divisive-78053

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Why does Hussein hate Catholics ?

burrata on June 19, 2013 at 5:55 PM

We all know it’s gonna make it out of the Senate…

sandee on June 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

It’s particularly insulting for Obama to say that in Northern Ireland given that the Brits wouldn’t even allow catholics to be educated for 300 years and it was Priests risking their lives holding hedge schools that saved Irish/Catholic culture…

Obama is a SCOAMF

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 5:58 PM

“It’s a good bill that could pass the Senate if we voted on it today, tomorrow or next week. Just as it is,” Reid said.

Of course they could. There’s more of them added in with the moronic RINOs.

The problem is congress. It will fail there “just as it is”.

Yet another mediocre attempt at PR and spin.

kim roy on June 19, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 5:49 PM

As I posted on another thread, I’m up in arms too. Even if for other reasons. The cause of the schisms in Ireland are centuries deep and involve so many things including (but not limited to) colonialism, fuedalism, totalitarism, and royal arrogance. The rat-eared bastard has reduced the whole thing to a religious war which is really a minor skirmish in the real historical and cultural wars. Stupid uneducated moron.

Happy Nomad on June 19, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Just called both my Senators and my Rep. Thank God my Rep wants the piecemeal approach with border security first.

One of my Senators is Bob Corker, so I made sure I informed his staff member that I appreciated his attempt at improving border security, but that he should vote against it if it doesn’t address that. He just won reelection in 2012 so I don’t know what he will do.

Lamar Alexander is my other Senator and is up for reelection in 2014. I told his staff that if Alexander votes for the Senate bill, he is guaranteed a primary run, and that even if we lose the seat to a Democrat, we will KNOW how that Dem will vote; we never know how Alexander will vote.

I was firm, but cordial and pleasant. Being antagonistic doesn’t help.

ladyingray on June 19, 2013 at 5:59 PM

If towns remain divided—if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs … workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Do you like not know anything about Ireland?

The Irish Protestants and Catholics still (in 2013) have actual physical walls dividing the Protestant/Catholic neighborhoods; and religiously segregated institutions like public schools.

Obama was speaking to that defacto religious segregation. How that segregation is causing “us verses them” attitudes between the two Christian denominations, and is still causing them to blow each other up with bombs.

What does this have anything to do with immigration or Harry Reid?

ZachV on June 19, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Gee, what if there were no new bill–would the nation fall apart?

Ditto gun control
Ditto Obama(doesn’t)care
Ditto Global Warming
Ditto helping the Syrian Rebels (MB)
Ditto printing gazillion more
Ditto Washington goes home to stay

Don L on June 19, 2013 at 6:01 PM

I think the House would pass a counter bill, with enforced and verified border security first, then amnesty.

Which the Dems would torpedo; then they’re the side that wasn’t willing to secure the border to get amnesty.

However passing a bill then dying in committee when the House did pass an amnesty-supporting bill won’t be trouble for the Dems; because it’ll never be reported that way to the LIV’s that elect them.

gekkobear on June 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM

We all know it’s gonna make it out of the Senate…

sandee on June 19, 2013 at 5:57 PM

I don’t know that. I think you are playing the odds but that is all.

Happy Nomad on June 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM

The Irish Protestants and Catholics still (in 2013) have actual physical walls dividing the Protestant/Catholic neighborhoods; and religiously segregated institutions like public schools.

Obama was speaking to that defacto religious segregation. How that segregation is causing “us verses them” attitudes between the two Christian denominations, and is still causing them to blow each other up with bombs.

What does this have anything to do with immigration or Harry Reid?

ZachV on June 19, 2013 at 6:00 PM

So Catholics and Protestants have their own madrassas ?

burrata on June 19, 2013 at 6:03 PM

I was firm, but cordial and pleasant. Being antagonistic doesn’t help.

ladyingray on June 19, 2013 at 5:59 PM

All my Congresmen are commited anti-American pro-little brown criminal Democrats. Antagonistic is all the joy I get out of contacting their worthless staff members who are, after all, nothing but the idiot children of big donors who need a job after college.

Happy Nomad on June 19, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Why does Hussein hate Catholics ?

burrata on June 19, 2013 at 5:55 PM

All Fascists/Marxist/Socialists hate Catholics…they always have.

Lenin killed many catholics in his revolution…Stalin widened that pogrom when he crushed Eastern Europe. The French killed thousands of clergy in France during and after the revolution. Happened in Spain and Mexico when those countries went fascist/socialist.

Hitler tried to assassinate the Pope and this pope saved over a million jewish lives through an underground catholic network.

No matter what they do the Church doesn’t die…it goes underground,cares for the flock anyway and rises up again as soon as the Nero dies and the tyranny ends.

The Church has seen many Neros in her long history.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:05 PM

What does this have anything to do with immigration or Harry Reid?

ZachV on June 19, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Lots of Catholic Students in US Catholic Schools are Latinos…and This story is heating up in catholic media.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM

If towns remain divided—if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs … workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Do you like not know anything about Ireland?

The Irish Protestants and Catholics still (in 2013) have actual physical walls dividing the Protestant/Catholic neighborhoods; and religiously segregated institutions like public schools.

Obama was speaking to that defacto religious segregation. How that segregation is causing “us verses them” attitudes between the two Christian denominations, and is still causing them to blow each other up with bombs.

What does this have anything to do with immigration or Harry Reid?

ZachV on June 19, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Really…Do you not know anything about the history of Ireland and Hedge Schools?

Where does The President of the United States get off telling Ireland to end Catholic Schools when it was Catholics that kept the Irish culture and language alive.

Why does this matter on a US immigration thread…Oh I don’t know…maybe because a lot of hispanics legal or not are catholic and Obama is trying to do everything he can to annihilate their religion.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:16 PM

The Church has seen many Neros in her long history.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:05 PM

I pray that the Church survives with this ne ro

burrata on June 19, 2013 at 6:17 PM

What kind of KOOL AID has Rubio been drinking?

redguy on June 19, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Where does The President of the United States get off telling Ireland to end Catholic Schools when it was Catholics that kept the Irish culture and language alive.

It’s all about fundamental change…..

You know – that Marx guy and all that communism stuff…..

redguy on June 19, 2013 at 6:18 PM

As I posted on another thread, I’m up in arms too. Even if for other reasons. The cause of the schisms in Ireland are centuries deep and involve so many things including (but not limited to) colonialism, fuedalism, totalitarism, and royal arrogance. The rat-eared bastard has reduced the whole thing to a religious war which is really a minor skirmish in the real historical and cultural wars. Stupid uneducated moron.

Happy Nomad on June 19, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Yep!

Obama is a fascist bastard.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:20 PM

I think the House would pass a counter bill, with enforced and verified border security first, then amnesty.

Which the Dems would torpedo; then they’re the side that wasn’t willing to secure the border to get amnesty.

However passing a bill then dying in committee when the House did pass an amnesty-supporting bill won’t be trouble for the Dems; because it’ll never be reported that way to the LIV’s that elect them.

gekkobear on June 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM

If the House passes anything, even if it doesn’t have amnesty, it will go to conference with the Senate where they’ll add amnesty to it, then they’d go back to the House/Senate, and they’d pass it while not breaking the Hastert rule.

El_Terrible on June 19, 2013 at 6:24 PM

How does the GOP manage to look inept and foolish no matter what they do? LOLOL

The political fallout is *never* bad for the Dems, no matter what happens, is that the way it works? Bill passes – yay Dems! Bill fails – boo GOP!

How on earth do they perpetually find themselves in lose-lose, ‘heads you win, tails I lose’ situations? That’s some stellar leadership there, GOP. Nice, real nice.

Midas on June 19, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Harry Reid: We could pass the Gang of Eight’s immigration bill right now if we wanted to

Wha? Is Reid seven years old? Half expected a “Nanny, Nanny, boo-boo” to follow that quote.

socalcon on June 19, 2013 at 6:25 PM

The Church has seen many Neros in her long history.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:05 PM

I pray that the Church survives with this ne ro

burrata on June 19, 2013 at 6:17 PM

We will…but it’s gonna be ugly.

Contrast Obama’s insulting message with this message delivered in front of 80,000 in St. Peter’s Square. Obama divides people and demoralizes them…Pope Francis unites people and inspires them…That’s leadership.

“The Church is the body of Christ, but when Catholics fight among themselves or Catholics and other Christians are in conflict with one another, they make Christ’s body suffer, Pope Francis has said.

Speaking at his weekly general audience the Pope said: “Don’t make the body suffer with our divisions and conflicts.”

With an estimated 80,000 people gathered under the hot sun in St. Peter’s Square, Pope Francis said that “today, before leaving home,” he had spent more than half an hour with an “evangelical pastor” and they prayed together for Christian unity.

“Unity is a grace we must ask from the Lord so that he would free us from the temptation of division, fights among us, selfishness and complaining about each other – how much damage, how much evil that chatter creates,” he said.

“How much damage is created by divisions among Catholics and between Christian communities. Evangelical Christians, Orthodox Christians, Catholic Christians – why are we divided? We must try to bring unity.”

“Pray that the Lord would give us unity,” he said…”

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2013/06/19/conflicts-makes-christs-body-suffer-says-pope/

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:25 PM

All my Congresmen are commited anti-American pro-little brown criminal Democrats. Antagonistic is all the joy I get out of contacting their worthless staff members who are, after all, nothing but the idiot children of big donors who need a job after college.

Happy Nomad on June 19, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Be antagonistic then. They deserve it.

Voting against Rand Paul’s amendment: To provide for enhanced border security, including strong border security metrics and congressional votes on border security and for other purposes.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00154

Alexander voted against, Corker voted for it.

ladyingray on June 19, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Why does Hussein hate Catholics ?

burrata on June 19, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Not just Catholics, mind you; lump in Jews and Christians, and your answers are…

cause they’re not muslim?

cause they have ethics?

cause they have morals?

cause they know right from wrong?

cause they value life?

cause they value truth?

cause darkness hates the light.

Midas on June 19, 2013 at 6:28 PM

If the House passes anything, even if it doesn’t have amnesty, it will go to conference with the Senate where they’ll add amnesty to it, then they’d go back to the House/Senate, and they’d pass it while not breaking the Hastert rule.

El_Terrible on June 19, 2013 at 6:24 PM

From what my Rep’s staffer said, the House will put forward piecemeal legislation, not comprehensive. We will see.

ladyingray on June 19, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Why does Hussein hate Catholics ?

burrata on June 19, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Not just Catholics, mind you; lump in Jews and Christians, and your answers are…

cause they’re not muslim?

cause they have ethics?

cause they have morals?

cause they know right from wrong?

cause they value life?

cause they value truth?

cause darkness hates the light.

Midas on June 19, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Yep.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Obama is trying to do everything he can to annihilate their religion.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Each and every one of Hussein’s hatred has roots in some
3rd- world -$h1thole despot’s mania.
All over the 3rd world, Christian , specially Catholic
charities have been educating, clothing, feeding , caring and enlightening poor people , and no despot likes literate subjects. There has never been any 3rd world despot who didn’t hate Christians , specially Catholics, be it Idi Amin or sauds or taliban , and now Hussein.

burrata on June 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM

https://vimeo.com/68709408

ex_machina on June 19, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Like everything else in Congress, if the dems don’t get their way, it goes nowhere, and the GOP gets blamed for “gridlock.” Screw them. Rubio should have been SCREAMING for border enforcement from the get-go and putting the pressure on Reid and the dems to play nice. But he didn’t. Because he’s dumb, and he has his lips firmly planted on Shumer’s ass. And anyone who plants his lips on that vile pig’s ass deserves all the shit that comes his way. So there it is. The sad, pitiful truth. Marco Rubio is just a pretty boy dumb-ass, and a Shumer useful idiot. He is Shumer’s House Latino. And I will never, ever vote for him for anything. Never. Not ever.

Rational Thought on June 19, 2013 at 6:35 PM

WHY is no one asking the Democrats of the Democratic Party as well as the Democrats of the Republican party a simple question :
WHY are you against our national border security ?

burrata on June 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM

I’ve noticed talk radio picking up some serious steam on the issue.

mjbrooks3 on June 19, 2013 at 5:36 PM

They have a tough job because every conservative talk radio show segment is bracketed by another lie-filled ad from Zuckerberg’s fake-conservative outfit claiming that the Rubio/Ryan bill will bring us unicorns and fairy dust for all eternity.

They really are outrageous ads.

slickwillie2001 on June 19, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Obama is trying to do everything he can to annihilate their religion.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Each and every one of Hussein’s hatred has roots in some
3rd- world -$h1thole despot’s mania.
All over the 3rd world, Christian , specially Catholic
charities have been educating, clothing, feeding , caring and enlightening poor people , and no despot likes literate subjects. There has never been any 3rd world despot who didn’t hate Christians , specially Catholics, be it Idi Amin or sauds or taliban , and now Hussein.

burrata on June 19, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Agreed.

Spread the word to any catholic you know that he told Ireland to get rid of their catholic schools cause they cause division.

Tell them to look it up if they don’t believe you.

Tell any Christian you know who supports Christian parochial schools.

Tell any Jew you know who supports Parochial Jewish Schools.

Remind these folks that throughout history as you said…These parochial schools educated the common people when the State would not.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:41 PM

But getting the bill through the Senate isn’t their problem. Getting it through the House is, and as Chuck Schumer’s insisted all along…

That’s the rub.

rickv404 on June 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Sen. Ted Cruz said on Rush Limbaugh today that there was nothing more powerful then the conservative grass roots burning up the phone lines to DC and to call them about this immigration bill…this worked with Gun Control…

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Spread the word to any catholic you know that he told Ireland to get rid of their catholic schools cause they cause division.

Tell them to look it up if they don’t believe you.

Tell any Christian you know who supports Christian parochial schools.

Tell any Jew you know who supports Parochial Jewish Schools.

Remind these folks that throughout history as you said…These parochial schools educated the common people when the State would not.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Here it is.

Appalling. He wants everyone’s children in HIS church — the fanatical, dogmatic zealotry that is modern leftism.

Rational Thought on June 19, 2013 at 6:48 PM

…which is how you know for sure it isn’t.

Sockpuppet Politic on June 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM

I’ve read parts of it. It’s a very BAD bill and they are all lying. Including Kelly Ayotte.

Kelly claims in a letter from her we received today that the bill secures the border FIRST. The bill does no such thing. She Lied.

She goes on to tell us that NH business people complain they can’t get enough high tech workers and that’s why they are doubling the number of H1′s. That is a lie also as borne out by the writing of Norm Matloff and others. There’s a recent article in the Atlantic magazine.

She and everyone supporting this bill are liars. This bill will drive us even further into the economic abyss.

dogsoldier on June 19, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Remind these folks that throughout history as you said…These parochial schools educated the common people when the State would not.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 6:41 PM

I do so any and every chance I get, being a product of such an education myself.
It’s a shame that I have to do so in the USA because of
anti-Christian policies of Hussein and his ignorant stupid worshipers.
.

burrata on June 19, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Are you finding common cause with the left or is this a conservative bunny suit. ;0

Happy Nomad on June 19, 2013 at 5:53 PM

It’s a Twerp bunny suit…
http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/news_images/8274_6.jpg

Fallon on June 19, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Ted Cruz said on Rush Limbaugh that he thinks Reid is gettin’ nervous because public support for the bill is shrinking…He also told Rush that it definitely matters when voters call their congressmen and senators and encouraged every listener in the audience to call washington and oppose this bill.

It was a good interview AP…you should think about posting the transcript at Hotair…Cruz was great.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM

I don’t think they’ll ever again have the grassroots melting their phone lines like they have in the past. Too much concern about ending up on some federal enemies’ list somewhere just for placing the call. Think the Soviets ever called their “representatives” to complain?

Rational Thought on June 19, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Rand Paul was seriously on the fence over illegal alien amnesty? Forget him.

Ted Cruz is much better than Rand Paul.

bluegill on June 19, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Absolutely, go for it. Then they will blame the House for its failure. MMMmmmmm, wait, it might be too early for the 2014 elections for that. Better wait.

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Here it is.

Appalling. He wants everyone’s children in HIS church — the fanatical, dogmatic zealotry that is modern leftism.

Rational Thought on June 19, 2013 at 6:48 PM

He’s insane.

The reason Protestants have their own schools is because of something called the reformation and they prefer it that way.

When Ireland was made a british territory, the British tried to kill the Catholic Church making the administration of the Mass a capital crime. They did the same in Scotland as well. Only the wealthy protestants were educated in select protestant schools.

For centuries the Irish (Native Catholics) educated their children in hedge schools and priests were hidden in village homes and constantly on the roads teaching and preaching to the Irish.

In Scotland those Scots who refused to join the Scottish church (The Kirk) were hounded out of the country and fled to Northern Ireland and eventually to Colonial America…These Ulster Scots settled in the South, fought in the revolution and insisted alongside the Catholic settlers on religious liberty in our Constitution…No establishment of a federal state church because many religious sects had suffered running up against the Crown Church of England.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 7:58 PM

bluegill on June 19, 2013 at 7:24 PM

So do you know the words to the fight songs of Harvard and Princeton?

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2013 at 7:58 PM

I don’t think they’ll ever again have the grassroots melting their phone lines like they have in the past. Too much concern about ending up on some federal enemies’ list somewhere just for placing the call. Think the Soviets ever called their “representatives” to complain?

Rational Thought on June 19, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Yeah…But Cruz was so earnest in the interview…

With all these folks caving right and left…I thought I’d post it anyhow cause Sessions,Lee,Cruz,Gohmert and a few good guys are tryin to get the word out…This bill combined with Obamacare is a disaster that will finish off the economy in those few red states that are propping up the rest of the country.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Here’s the Ted Cruz Rush Limbaugh links at Big Government site:

excerpt:
“He noted that there are about 20 Republican Senators who are on the fence, and that the time is right now to let your voices be heard. He recommended going to the Secure the Border now website, and sign the petition, and to call your Senator.

“Washington, D.C. is a bubble, and there is nothing more powerful than the conservative grassroots when we are engaged and letting our voice be heard.”

In answer to Limbaugh’s question about the CBO report, Cruz said, “One thing Washington knows how to do is come up with bogus cost estimates. I mean, we all remember when Obamacare was passed, and we were told it would save money, and we’ve now discovered it’s gonna cost trillions.”

He went on to decry the “enormous cost” that amnesty would have on the economy. One thing, he said it would do is set up a de facto affirmative action – “a strong preference in hiring for those who are here illegally” because illegal immigrants who are granted legal status would be exempt from benefits and it would be cheaper for employers to hire them than to hire native-born workers.

“If you’re a small-business owner, if you hire an American or if you hire a legal immigrant, you’re subject to a $2,000 dollar fine per employee if you’re not providing health-care under Obamacare. Where suddenly the 11,000,oo0 who are granted legalization, it doesn’t cost you that” He said that it’s a massive economic incentive for employers to not hire Americans in favor of the immigrants…”

Senator Cruz has had a busy day.

In an address on the Senate floor, this afternoon, he strongly critiqued the Gang of 8 bill, citing its failure to protect the border. The video for that is here.

He also gave a speech at the Audit the IRS rally and called for the abolition of the IRS.

His statement on the president’s remarks at the Brandenberg Gate, here.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/06/19/Cruz-The-Gang-of-8-Bill-Is-A-Disaster-Video

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 8:30 PM

secure the border now site

http://www.tedcruz.org/border-security/

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 8:33 PM

By all means we should admit anywhere from 10 to 40 million new residents to the US many of who will need welfare, Obamacare, all kinds of free education, Obama phones, prison cells, free housing, and many other government services. We can turn the US into California if we try hard enough. Otherwise nobody will like us.

Viator on June 19, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Rand Paul was seriously on the fence over illegal alien amnesty? Forget him.

Ted Cruz is much better than Rand Paul.

blueball on June 19, 2013 at 7:24 PM

…you’re going to try and turn people off on Cruz…just like you did with Romney…aren’t you?

KOOLAID2 on June 19, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Rand, unlike his old man, is once again showing his political skill. He has to find common ground between his two groups he needs: Libertarians and Conservatives.

Rand’s compromise is this:

(1) Border Security is first, so is some kind of hiring verification first. Both of those benchmarks must be decided by congress, not an untrustworthy executive branch (no matter who is the president). This makes both sides happy. Border Hawks want the borders secure, etc., and libertarians have screeched for years about the imperial executive branch having too much power.

(2) If those benchmarks are achieved, and congress approves and accepts they have been achieved, then some kind of pathway to citizenship might be possible. This will keep libertarians happy as well, however this will upset border hawks. Rand is hoping that border hawks are smart enough to realize that leaving this power to congress will (1) make it very unlikely that a pathway to citizenship will occur in the next decade if ever. (2) Dems will walk before they accept that so therefore it is a moot point. In other words let the dems blow this thing up and let them take the blame.

People who are single issue voters, like some hardcore border hawks, have to understand sometime that their “issue” is not enough to get people elected. Politicians need coalitions to win and to build a coalition you have to make both sides somewhat happy without totally blowing the coalition up. Paul so far has done a good job at preventing that. He has walked away at the right time…leaving Rubio a chief rival of his holding the bag and the blame.

William Eaton on June 19, 2013 at 9:37 PM

I’ve noticed talk radio picking up some serious steam on the issue.

mjbrooks3 on June 19, 2013 at 5:36 PM

They have a tough job because every conservative talk radio show segment is bracketed by another lie-filled ad from Zuckerberg’s fake-conservative outfit claiming that the Rubio/Ryan bill will bring us unicorns and fairy dust for all eternity.

They really are outrageous ads.

slickwillie2001 on June 19, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Every time that I hear that ad, I grit my teeth. Surely NumbersUSA or the Heritage Foundation could cut an ad that tells the truth effectively.

onlineanalyst on June 19, 2013 at 10:42 PM

I don’t think that Harry has all the Dems in line. I think he’s at 55-56 votes, not 59.

Always believe what the pessimistic people are saying about any bill, not the optimists. There’s been no good news for supporters since a couple weeks ago when the pessimists were saying it wouldn’t pass. Even Harry was admitting then that he only had 56. The only thing that’s happened since then is that the Gang has gotten those people to STFU. In spite of that, we get more and more confirmed no votes from the GOP every day. I haven’t seen ANY new yes votes out there. Certainly no one is advertising their support.

My guess is that Harry’s doing this to push people to “join the winning side”, so that it will actually BE the winning side. I don’t think he has the votes, and I don’t think he’s going to get them.

Now, I’m not positive on this by any means. I’d put the odds on the bill’s passage in the Senate at about 45%. Maybe even a tick or two higher, but definitely less than 50%.

Chris of Rights on June 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Now, I’m not positive on this by any means. I’d put the odds on the bill’s passage in the Senate at about 45%. Maybe even a tick or two higher, but definitely less than 50%.

Chris of Rights on June 20, 2013 at 9:53 A

Nope. All of what we are being shown is pure political theater.

Both D and R leadership *want* this bill in the worst way. They are just “managing” the rising opposition to the bill. They are positioning matters such that both parties have requisite deniability for the next elections around border security.

Here’s the deal: Politicians *want* to keep the focus on “border security” because they know they can ‘manage’ the perceptions of enough Americans to allow them room to jam the bill down our throats…

Once passed, we’ll find out what’s *really* in the bill that they wanted to avoid discussing.

If you think for a second they are going to secure the borders and enforce internal immigration security laws – unlike every other time they *promised* they would then didn’t – then you are falling for their political manipulation.

They have no intention of securing the borders because politicians benefit from porous borders.

Hell, if politicians benefited from secure borders, our borders would have been made highly secure a long time ago.

DrDeano on June 20, 2013 at 10:57 AM