Audio: Allen West won’t rule out primarying Rubio in Florida in 2016

posted at 11:21 am on June 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

Outlets like Politico are overselling this, but for understandable reasons. The thought of a nationally known tea-party hero bloodying the nose of the great GOP hope in 2016 over amnesty is irresistible to political media. It’s momentarily irresistible to tea partiers too, I bet: Grassroots conservatives complain endlessly about Rubio these days due to his Gang of Eight fiasco but he’s gotten off with a wrist slap among prominent conservatives and most right-wing big media, apart from the occasional perfunctory expression of “disappointment.” How many border hawks out there wouldn’t want to see West, a guy respected by the grassroots for speaking truth to various forms of power, take off the gloves with him over immigration in a primary race?

Listen to the clip, though, and you’ll see that he’s all but ruling it out without explicitly ruling out. He makes no “Sherman statement” but there’s nothing here suggesting that he thinks it’s a good idea — it’s a “heavy lift” to knock off a sitting senator, he says, it plays into the media’s hands by handing them a storyline of red-on-red tea-party internecine warfare, etc. In fact, there are two obvious problems with a primary challenge. One: Won’t Rubio be, er, running for a different office in 2016? There’s a chance that he’ll stay out if Jeb Bush makes a bold move into the race, but I think that depends on what happens with immigration reform. If Rubio succeeds in getting something passed, the media will toss bouquets at him and wealthy Republicans will ooh and aah at his ability to “get things done” by getting them lots of cheap new labor. He’ll be tempted to strike while the iron’s hot. If he runs for president, then he might not run concurrently for a new term in the Senate at all. And even if he does, how eager will Florida Republicans be to kneecap a guy who might end up as the party’s nominee for president by backing someone who’s trying to weaken him with a primary challenge in his home state? Imagine how much establishment Super PAC money would flow into Florida to try to destroy West before he makes Rubio sweat. That money will probably be there even if Rubio doesn’t run for president, as a thank you from wealthy GOPers for his efforts on amnesty. Does West want to spend time waging a primary war against those odds?

Two: Could he actually beat Rubio, even if Rubio didn’t have big establishment money on his side in a primary? Harper Polling and PPP teamed up to poll immigration reform in Florida a few days ago and found this:

Florida Republicans overwhelmingly back the proposal: 71-22 percent, with 43 percent saying they “strongly support,” the poll of 500 voters says.

By an even bigger spread of 82-14 percent, Florida Republicans said their senator should support the plan.

Those results are mirrored across the nation and in Republican states, according to the pollsters, who conducted the survey for a bipartisan coalition backing comprehensive immigration reform.

Another recent poll from Quinnipiac was less encouraging for Rubio but still more or less encouraging. This time, Florida voters disapproved on balance of how he’s handling immigration, 33/41, but whether they disapprove of the amnesty parts or disapprove because he’s making noise lately about backing away from the compromise bill because of border security isn’t clear. Either way, his approval rating is still a healthy 51/35, which is actually up slightly from the 48/33 rating he had in March.

West is famously effective as a fundraiser so he’d have the means to chip away at Rubio’s popularity, and of course he’d be on favorable ground in a primary running to Rubio’s right. The X factor, though, is electability. How many righties who are annoyed with Rubio over immigration would look at the fact that West lost a (slightly) Republican-leaning district to a Democrat last year and conclude that they need to hold their noses and vote for Rubio in the primary in the interest of holding the seat? A lot can happen between now and 2016 — if the immigration bill passes and enforcement falls apart, Rubio’s in deep, deep trouble — but I’m thinking West has better uses of his time than to try this. And I think he’s thinking it too.


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If Rubio succeeds in getting something passed, the media will toss bouquets at him and wealthy Republicans will ooh and aah at his ability to “get things done” by getting them lots of cheap new labor

Well gosh. If the media and rich GOP donors love Rubio, then I’m sure the base will just line up behind the guy.

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Doughboy on June 19, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Awesome!

Must get more microwave popcorn.

trigon on June 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Love it! Allan west has conviction and is NOT a bushie squish!

Danielvito on June 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

If he runs for president, then he might not run concurrently for a new term in the Senate at all.

He can’t run for both offices in the same year under Florida law.

Mark1971 on June 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

All Rubio all-the-time… boring…

gatorboy on June 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Florida is a lost cause to me…… More blue than red for sure….

sandee on June 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Col. Awesome needs a super hero costume.

meci on June 19, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Jeb Bush is running for POTUS…and that’s why stuck with Rhino’s supporting this immigration travesty.

Senor Rubio is auditioning for the VP slot…along with Ryan.

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM

As I said in other thread…

Even if it means a difficult time in the general, I support this. Massive scale illegal alien amnesty is too damaging to just excuse and forget. There must be a price to pay. I want Rubio gone!

People talk about how Rubio is so personally likable. I think he comes across phony and like a goody goody student, not a mature, principled man like Cruz. Rubio’s fake smile and artificial high tone of voice is meant to make him seem so innocent, like how a well-behaved child acts around adults he doesn’t know well.
I want to be rid of the insincere, illegal alien amnesty-pushing traitor Marco Rubio!!

bluegill on June 19, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Hey, Vince Flynn died and no mention at HA yet? Get with the program.

trapeze on June 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

He can’t run for both offices in the same year under Florida law.

Mark1971 on June 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

He’ll probably run for President then. He’s in deep trouble if seeks another term in the Senate. Even if he survives the primary process(and ask Chuck Crist how easy that is), will the base really turn out for him in the general election after what he’s done?

Doughboy on June 19, 2013 at 11:32 AM

It seems that Floridians prefer rinos and amnesty, so, what are you gonna do. The guy lives in Florida.

Dongemaharu on June 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Senor Rubio is auditioning for the VP slot…along with Ryan.
workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Pro-amnesty Ryan, whose meek, flop of a performance next to the buffoonish Biden during the debate, had little to offer any ticket now. I’m disappointed in him.

bluegill on June 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Can West just officially announce it now, so I can start sending him money?

I’m beginning to think Rubio and Christie are twins… separated at birth.

Shepherd Lover on June 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM

oo-rah

davidk on June 19, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Can West just officially announce it now, so I can start sending him money?

I’m beginning to think Rubio and Christie are twins… separated at birth.

Shepherd Lover on June 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Looking at Christie I’m thinking there shoulda been triplets.

davidk on June 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM

How long does it take to establish residency in FL for the purpose of voting? I have a house to sell and all my stuff to move and I want to be there in time.

rogaineguy on June 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Sorry for the O/T, but this is too funny to pass up

Poor Chrissy, no tingles due to sunset

Matthews Rails Against The Sun For Ruining ‘Dramatic Windup’ In Obama’s Berlin Speech

Rovin on June 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Mrs. Thief sent Rubio about $200 in contributions. We don’t live in Florida. I want my money back. So does Mrs. Thief. However Mr. West concerns me. He conceded to the dim for his congressional seat and it appeared to me the district was ripe with fraud. 147% voter participation! This from precincts he wasn’t going to win. Why no 147% from friendly precincts? We know why! Will he stand up to the elite?

chicken thief on June 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Pro-amnesty Ryan, whose meek, flop of a performance next to the buffoonish Biden during the debate, had little to offer any ticket now. I’m disappointed in him.

bluegill on June 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Too bad you weren’t more “disappointed” in Mr. Electable Mitt during the primaries. He was such a winning choice.

Bitter Clinger on June 19, 2013 at 11:40 AM

I would donate to West to defeat Rubio.

Do it!

PappyD61 on June 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Hey, Vince Flynn died and no mention at HA yet? Get with the program.

trapeze on June 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Really? Died, died or Bob Hope died?

rogaineguy on June 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Rubio needs to be taken out of office ASAP before he becomes another amnesty-pushing life-termer like McCain.

bluegill on June 19, 2013 at 11:43 AM

After amnesty passes, Rubio will switch parties.

Labamigo on June 19, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Hey, Vince Flynn died and no mention at HA yet? Get with the program.

trapeze on June 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

47 years old. Big loss.

Hat Trick on June 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Bitter Clinger on June 19, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Stay in topic, bitter one. Romney did better than any of the other candidates would have done.

bluegill on June 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM

I sure hope Col. West leaves the possibility wide open. If if has any effect on the polls, it will be fun to watch Rubio. I have to categorize all of this as entertainment value now since none of them are worth a plug nickel.

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Florida Republicans overwhelmingly back the proposal: 71-22 percent, with 43 percent saying they “strongly support,” the poll of 500 voters says.

By an even bigger spread of 82-14 percent, Florida Republicans said their senator should support the plan.

I’m not buying that poll for a minute unless they polled Miami. This poll reminds me of the alleged IRS conservative who supposedly supported scrutiny of Tea Party applications. This is classic liberal media spin in order to try an convince the masses that they’re in the minority if they don’t support a liberal issue.

cajunpatriot on June 19, 2013 at 11:46 AM

So I am supposed to be excited about an ambiguous statement that means absolutely nothing….?
If the guy is so hot to get back to Congress then why is he passing on 2014?
I like West and all but actions speak louder than empty rhetoric.

NeoKong on June 19, 2013 at 11:47 AM

I heard a bit of Ryan on Levin’s show yesterday. While not convinced he had better arguments than Rubio. He said the Senate Bill will never be brought to the floor of the House. Of course there is always conference.

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM

I sure wish that a legitimate polling organization would ask (just once)…do you support legalizing and offering citizenship to illegal aliens who came into this country without permission.

Ask if you support “reform” and the typical disengaged/uninformed voter would more than likely say yes.

cajunpatriot on June 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Allen West won’t rule out primarying Rubio in Florida in 2016

Things might get a bit interesting.

coldwarrior on June 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Every politician should be primaried.

ESPECIALLY LINDSAY GRAHAM. (But South Carolina is apparently too anemic to cough one up.)

beatcanvas on June 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Great. Reparations and amnesty for Hispanics or Reparations for blacks(Pigford III). Both of them should fade away.

Mr. Arrogant on June 19, 2013 at 11:53 AM

beatcanvas on June 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM

SouthernGent for Senate!!!!!

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2013 at 11:54 AM

He can’t run for both offices in the same year under Florida law.

Mark1971 on June 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Wait… are you quoting state election law? Didn’t you hear? The Supreme Court just said that those eeeeeevil states can’t have any say in federal elections. I’m sure they’d be happy to set aisde this particularly inconvenient state law and let Rubio run in both elections.

Shump on June 19, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Maybe there’s another 15 mins to be had by West –
but I don’t see this will get that for him.
He should also not rule out Dancing With The Stars.

verbaluce on June 19, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Please do it Col. West. Rubio fooled me once, I will not vote for him again. And if not Rubio, please run against our other progressive lockstep Senator Nelson.

rjh on June 19, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Allen West who voted for raising the debt ceiling and called the TEA Party schizophrenic? No thanks.

Panther on June 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM

He can’t run for both offices in the same year under Florida law.

Mark1971 on June 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Does this law also apply to (March?) FLA primaries, as well as the November general election?

EastofEden on June 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM

A man/mensch/veteran against a traitor/pretender/snotty teenager

An outsider versus the machine.

Let the machine espolode into smithereeens. It has ruined the land and the gov’t, from the left to the right, is rogue now.

Schadenfreude on June 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Col. West – a man with convictions.

RUN RUN RUN!

gophergirl on June 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Sorry for the O/T, but this is too funny to pass up

Poor Chrissy, no tingles due to sunset

Matthews Rails Against The Sun For Ruining ‘Dramatic Windup’ In Obama’s Berlin Speech

Rovin on June 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM

I guess the sun kept the previous 194,000 from 2008 from attending as well…

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM

verbaluce on June 19, 2013 at 11:57 AM

But he can sing.

Schadenfreude on June 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM

i’m glad he won’t rule it out. someone needs to stand up to rubio and his phoniness.

How many righties who are annoyed with Rubio over immigration would look at the fact that West lost a (slightly) Republican-leaning district to a Democrat last year and conclude that they need to hold their noses and vote for Rubio in the primary in the interest of holding the seat?

yes, he lost, but he lost very narrowly and there were suspicious circumstances surrounding that election.

However Mr. West concerns me. He conceded to the dim for his congressional seat and it appeared to me the district was ripe with fraud. 147% voter participation! This from precincts he wasn’t going to win. Why no 147% from friendly precincts? We know why! Will he stand up to the elite?

chicken thief on June 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM

give him credit. he fought hard to try to get a recount. but it didn’t work, and it came to the point where he was unable to do anything anymore. (not that the gop establishment lifted a finger to help…)

Sachiko on June 19, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Col. West – a man with convictions.

RUN RUN RUN!

gophergirl on June 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM

A real man – today that is a rare animal.

Schadenfreude on June 19, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Allen West won’t rule out primarying Rubio in Florida in 2016

Things might get a bit interesting.

coldwarrior on June 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Yeah.

I think West is testing response to the idea…

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM

I for one would welcome him running against that charlatanic rubio piece of cow patty…

Did you know people used to use cow patties for fuel? ;)

Scrumpy on June 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Awesome!

Must get more microwave popcorn.

trigon on June 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

I’m with you. I’m so through with the Republican Party, it’s just entertainment now. Rand Paul is the only one I would vote for, but he will never be the nominee. People like Karl Rove and the Bushes would never allow it.

lea on June 19, 2013 at 12:02 PM

All Rubio all-the-time… boring…

gatorboy on June 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

In fairness, I think this thread is more about Lt. Col. Allen West than it is about rubio.

VegasRick on June 19, 2013 at 12:06 PM

I guess the sun kept the previous 194,000 from 2008 from attending as well…

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Too funny WCA, I’m stealing it.

Rovin on June 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM

DO IT.

Let them try to redistrict that.

MadisonConservative on June 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM

“God will set my foot down the right path…toward the border to help the illegals over.”

RDE2010 on June 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Allen West who voted for raising the debt ceiling and called the TEA Party schizophrenic? No thanks.

Panther on June 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM

i still think rubio’s actions are worse than that.

(and to be honest i partially understood both sides of that particular debt ceiling debate. sure, raising the debt ceiling has some negative consequences, but the people who were saying “let the country default” didn’t seem to have a clear idea of what would happen if we defaulted, and they didn’t have much of a plan for how the country would recover from default. all i kept hearing was “we need to default because that’s what needs to happen.” no one seemed to know what to do AFTER default. so i can kind understand why some people, like west, supported raising it that time. there were flaws on both sides of the debate.)

Sachiko on June 19, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Allen West who voted for raising the debt ceiling and called the TEA Party schizophrenic? No thanks.

Panther on June 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM

With you on the ceiling…but Rubio is a traitor to the TEA party and his country. West is the contrary.

Schadenfreude on June 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM

I will vote, donate and volunteer for West if he challenges Rubeo. I dont even care if he has a chance to win, I just wanna see Mini-McCains nose bloody.

Valkyriepundit on June 19, 2013 at 12:13 PM

I’m in. The Libs wouldn’t put up with this $hit from one of their own, and neither should we. This goes WAY beyond Rubio going squishy on a single issue he feels stronly about. This is Rubio going full-on Washington Establishment, lying like a Democrat, and choosing to align himself with Chuck Schumer & cretins like McCain / Graham.

This is to say nothing of the sheer stupidity of this proposal from both a policy standpoint and a political one for the GOP. Rubio falls into the column of dishonest AND stupid. Buh-bye.

SAMinVA on June 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Allen West who voted for raising the debt ceiling and called the TEA Party schizophrenic? No thanks.

Low-information people want to believe. Don’t forget about Pigfordd

Mr. Arrogant on June 19, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Sorry for the O/T, but this is too funny to pass up

Poor Chrissy, no tingles due to sunset

Matthews Rails Against The Sun For Ruining ‘Dramatic Windup’ In Obama’s Berlin Speech

Rovin on June 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM

The Messiah can’t control the sun? Well, then……

Bitter Clinger on June 19, 2013 at 12:16 PM

The liberal rag Miami Herald is cheerleading for the Bush Crime family all the way. Get a clue. No Floridian believes this poll.

Rubio will not only not win re-election in Florida for his senate seat should he run but, if Jeb’s Waterboy does win the nomination and runs for POTUS he will not win Flori-DUH in the general!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone knows that the Bush Crime Family is entrenched and runs the Florida GOP. Proof that Screwbio will not win is we Floridians did not listen to Screwbio in 2012 when he was campaigning for Etch-A-Sketch and Connie Mack. We stayed the fluck home and we will not vote for the establishment candidate again. Screwbio screwed us and we mean to get our pound of flesh. We Floridians are well aware of the corrupt Bush Crime family’s crony capitalism.

Floridians are also well aware that former Squeaker of the Florida House Screwbio arm twisted the Florida legislature to redistrict West out of his congressional seat at Jeb’s asking. The corrupt GOP elites then sat on their hands and did nothing to assist West amidst all of the cheating during the election results. The gopE’s motto is “Better a Democrat than someone who is not one of us.”

Come to Florida and see the Screwbio bumper stickers.

All the Bush horses and all the Bush men couldn’t put Jeb’s Waterboy together again!

Jayrae on June 19, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Stay in topic, bitter one. Romney did better than any of the other candidates would have done.

bluegill on June 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM

That’s probably true. However, your sit here and rail against the RINOs Rubio and Ryan (rightly so) yet you had such a crush on an obvious RINO in Romney that you denigrated many conservatives who saw what a RINO he was.

Bitter Clinger on June 19, 2013 at 12:21 PM

I heard a bit of Ryan on Levin’s show yesterday. While not convinced he had better arguments than Rubio. He said the Senate Bill will never be brought to the floor of the House. Of course there is always conference.

Cindy Munford on June 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Sen. Ted Cruz will be on Rush Limbaugh today.

“The Senate’s pending immigration bill will pave the way for the arrival of 46 million legal immigrants over the next 20 years, increase the federal debt in the same time period and shrink Americans’ average wage, according Alabama Republican Sen. Jeff Session’s critical reading of two new reports on the pending immigration reform bill provided by the Congressional Budget Office…”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/19/senate-bill-allows-46-million-immigrants-by-2033-says-cbo/#ixzz2WgDbFMWS

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 12:24 PM

YES!

Learn who your constituents are, Marco.

Hint: it isn’t the illegals.

mojo on June 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Allen West who voted for raising the debt ceiling and called the TEA Party schizophrenic? No thanks.

Panther on June 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Did he say that during the GOP Primary…which was pretty bizarro as it played out…

just sayin’

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM

YES!

Learn who your constituents are, Marco.

Hint: it isn’t the illegals.

mojo on June 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Apparently Senor Rubio thinks it is.

Anglos,Brothas,and other Nativists need to kwitcher B*tchin’ and have another taco – K?

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Come to Florida and see the Screwbio bumper stickers.

All the Bush horses and all the Bush men couldn’t put Jeb’s Waterboy together again!

Jayrae on June 19, 2013 at 12:20 PM

So is this a machiavellian setup by Jeb to tank wunderboy?

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 12:31 PM

a PPP poll of 500? c’mon Allah.

DanMan on June 19, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Yes…YEs…He-l to the YEAH!

Run Allen PLEASE!

Rubio has shot his credibility. He can win this.

neyney on June 19, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Did he say that during the GOP Primary…which was pretty bizarro as it played out…

just sayin’

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 12:27 PM

It was a comment West made on the Laura Ingram show after conservative groups said they would primary him if he supported the debt ceiling bill.

Panther on June 19, 2013 at 12:41 PM

HotAir fanboy squishes will be really, really disappointed if their boyfriends Rubio or Ryan suffer another defeat in their rise to higher levels of stupidity.

el Vaquero on June 19, 2013 at 12:54 PM

verbaluce on June 19, 2013 at 11:57 AM

But he can sing.

Schadenfreude on June 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Then Singing With The Stars.
Or Vegas…’Burns & Allen‘ ‘West & Bachmann’

verbaluce on June 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Those results are mirrored across the nation and in Republican states, according to the pollsters, who conducted the survey for a bipartisan coalition backing comprehensive immigration reform.

This is how I know that poll is BS. I can’t claim to know what Florida voters are thinking (btw, the sample size seems small) or if they’re astroturfed, illegals, etc. But I know that there is not broad support across the nation for this at all.

LtBarnwell02 on June 19, 2013 at 1:28 PM

That’s nice. Maybe gawd will pull your head out while she’s at it.

MJBrutus on June 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Yes! Make it happen Allen West! one of my favorite conservatives

sadsushi on June 19, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Allen West should get a “Thug Life” tattoo across his abdomen like Tupac.

Capitalist Hog on June 19, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Great News.

Sandybourne on June 19, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Doughboy on June 19, 2013 at 11:32 AM

did ya read the article??

Florida Republicans overwhelmingly back the proposal: 71-22 percent, with 43 percent saying they “strongly support,” the poll of 500 voters says.

By an even bigger spread of 82-14 percent, Florida Republicans said their senator should support the plan.

Those results are mirrored across the nation and in Republican states, according to the pollsters, who conducted the survey for a bipartisan coalition backing comprehensive immigration reform.

you’re way off thinking florida republicans will abandon Rubio. it seems this immigration “reform” is the only thing keeping him afloat.

chasdal on June 19, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Allen West who voted for raising the debt ceiling and called the TEA Party schizophrenic? No thanks.

Panther on June 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM

As opposed to Rubio? He’s not going to – this is Politico, after all, making whatever they can out of a random commment.

But still? As opposed to Rubio???

kim roy on June 19, 2013 at 2:00 PM

oh that would be epic. West would clean Rubio’s “I’m the establishment” and screw you the people that got me here” clock.

unseen on June 19, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Allen West who voted for raising the debt ceiling and called the TEA Party schizophrenic? No thanks.

Panther on June 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Allen West is a strategic thinker who wants fiscal conservative values to win in the long run. There are people in the Tea Party, as in just about every political movement, who just want to posture regardless of the consequences.

This is very different than Rubio who is not so much a RINO as a elitist Republican. Rubio’s faith in the ideas of the elite doesn’t make him that much different from Mayor Bloomburg.

thuja on June 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM

HotAir fanboy squishes will be really, really disappointed if their boyfriends Rubio or Ryan suffer another defeat in their rise to higher levels of stupidity.

el Vaquero on June 19, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Ryan went squish on abortion and immigration…so he’s dead to me in a national race.

Yep!

workingclass artist on June 19, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Hooah!

tom daschle concerned on June 19, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Holder/Obama should get a “Thug Life” tattoo across his abdomen like Tupac.

Capitalist Hog on June 19, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Schadenfreude on June 19, 2013 at 3:45 PM

you’re way off thinking florida republicans will abandon Rubio. it seems this immigration “reform” is the only thing keeping him afloat.

chasdal on June 19, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Old polls. The Rs are finding out what’s in the bill.

Schadenfreude on June 19, 2013 at 3:51 PM

you’re way off thinking florida republicans will abandon Rubio. it seems this immigration “reform” is the only thing keeping him afloat.

chasdal on June 19, 2013 at 1:59 PM

You can get any answer you want depending upon the question posed. Read my poll question in my 11:48am post and ask yourself if a question like that will ever be used in a poll. Then, guess at the results if it were.

cajunpatriot on June 19, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Right now Rubio has a 51% approval rating in Florida…his numbers are higher than that among Republicans.

In fact I read this earlier today:

In a new Quinnipiac poll, 51 percent of Florida voters give Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) a favorable job-approval rating (his highest is 54 percent). On immigration, Republicans approve of his performance by a whopping 52 to 24 percent margin. (It is Democrats, who disapprove of him 55-19 percent, that pull him into negative territory.) So much for the notion that immigration reform is hurting Rubio or that his stance is at odds with Republicans.

In response to the question “Which comes closest to your view about illegal immigrants who are currently living in the United States? A) They should be allowed to stay in the United States and to eventually apply for US citizenship. B) They should be allowed to remain in the United States, but not be allowed to apply for U.S. citizenship. C) They should be required to leave the U.S.” 58 percent of voters overall and a significant plurality of Republicans (47 percent) chose A.

Allen West lost his last election. The truth is that even if he manages to beat Rubio, which looks pretty unlikely at the present, he almost certainly would lose the general election. I bet there are some people out there who would be fine with that too. After all, some people are more interested in punishing stray Republicans than they are in actually winning elections.

Terrye on June 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Allen West lost his last election. The truth is that even if he manages to beat Rubio, which looks pretty unlikely at the present, he almost certainly would lose the general election. I bet there are some people out there who would be fine with that too. After all, some people are more interested in punishing stray Republicans than they are in actually winning elections.

Terrye on June 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Allen West is the Democrats’ favorite punching bag, so he definitely wouldn’t win.

And I laughed when I saw this one because Rubio isn’t going to be running for the FL Senate Seat in 2016 either.

HotAir fanboy squishes will be really, really disappointed if their boyfriends Rubio or Ryan suffer another defeat in their rise to higher levels of stupidity.

el Vaquero on June 19, 2013 at 12:54 PM

I know.. How dare Rubio and Ryan show that they can be reasonable moderate Republicans? We want to keep losing elections by supporting candidates like Rick Santorum.

Illinidiva on June 19, 2013 at 4:29 PM

After all, some people are more interested in punishing stray Republicans than they are in actually winning elections.

Terrye

Some people actually have a clue, unlike you. Maybe one day you’ll figure out that politics isn’t a sporting event where winning is all that matters. If winning elections was all that mattered, I would have voted for Obama.

xblade on June 19, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I know.. How dare Rubio and Ryan show that they can be reasonable moderate Republicans? We want to keep losing elections by supporting candidates like Rick Santorum.

Illiniditz

Last I checked, moderate Ryan and his moderate buddy Romney were on the losing ticket in 2012, not Santorum.

xblade on June 19, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Allen West who voted for raising the debt ceiling and called the TEA Party schizophrenic? No thanks.

Panther on June 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM

This 1000+

I contributed to West’s campaign. When I called his office after he was elected to voice my displeasure with his vote to raise the debt ceiling, I was told by his lackey that if the debt ceiling had not been raised the country would have to default on all of its obligations and SS checks would not go out. I refuted that claim by stating that the gov’t. had enough money to pay for basic services and SS payments and that their response was a bold faced lie and I was disappointed that West would allow them to spin that line of defense. They promptly hung up on me.

So, screw West. I would never support him again, not even as dog catcher. He’s a typical politician, and will say whatever it takes to get elected.

they lie on June 19, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Every politician should be primaried.

ESPECIALLY LINDSAY GRAHAM. (But South Carolina is apparently too anemic to cough one up.)

beatcanvas on June 19, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Richard Cash has already begun his campaign to challenge Sen. Lindsey Graham in the Republican Primary for the Sounth Carolina Senate seat in 2014.

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wren on June 19, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Good for Lt Col West. Please challenge this RINO scum who used the Tea Party to get into the Senate and then ingratiated himself to the establishment. No vote from this Florida resident next time around Paco….

Doomsday on June 19, 2013 at 5:03 PM

His political career ended with his vote for the Pigford settlement. And for his pathetic excuse for it.

Good man. Honorable soldier. Lousy elected representative.

sartana on June 19, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Last I checked, moderate Ryan and his moderate buddy Romney were on the losing ticket in 2012, not Santorum.

xblade on June 19, 2013 at 4:46 PM

And Santorum would have lost by 10% at least. The Democrats would have had a field day tying his statements to Todd Akin and the War on Womenz.

Some people actually have a clue, unlike you. Maybe one day you’ll figure out that politics isn’t a sporting event where winning is all that matters. If winning elections was all that mattered, I would have voted for Obama.

xblade on June 19, 2013 at 4:43 PM

How about someone who agrees with you 90% of the time like Rubio winning an election rather than someone like Obama who agrees with you 0% of the time. Because this “purity” demand leads to just that.

Illinidiva on June 19, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Sometimes doing the right thing is it’s own reward.

VorDaj on June 19, 2013 at 5:59 PM

The elitist GOP doesn’t want West with power. He’s far too conservative, too principled, too outspoken, too much like Palin, and untouchable, so Rubio and the GOP’s/gang of 8, not so stealth goal of amnesty shall stay. Sad, what this nation has become.

Don L on June 19, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Looking at Christie I’m thinking there shoulda been triplets.

davidk on June 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM

You should see Spielberg with your idea–great horror flick!

Don L on June 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Allen West, a genuine war hero, who is intelligent, articulate, oozes too much integrity, truthfulness & respect for the Constitution has plans to run against Rubio? What is he thinking of?

RdLake on June 19, 2013 at 10:01 PM

West -Cruz 2016.

profitsbeard on June 20, 2013 at 2:45 AM

Two: Could he actually beat Rubio

In blog comments bubble world, he can be President easy.

Silly people.

Moesart on June 20, 2013 at 11:22 AM