Pennsylvania union ad: Liquor store privatization is pretty much a death trap

posted at 7:11 pm on June 18, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

I have no words.

…Never mind — I found words. No, this isn’t a PSA about the criminality, terrible dangers, and tragic consequences of drunk driving; this is basically a campaign ad from a Pennsylvania union trying to invent reasons about why it is they should be allowed to maintain their vast state-sponsored monopoly… and it is messed up.

In a nutshell, Governor Tom Corbett has been pushing a plan for privatization of state-run wine, beer, and liquor sales in Pennsylvania, and the state House has already passed a plan to do so — a move to which the United Food and Commercial Workers Union, some 5,000 of whose members currently staff the more than 600 liquor stores across the state, was uproariously opposed, natch. The ostensible point of their ad campaign seems to be that both current laws and “the effectiveness of the wine and spirits’ stores employees, Pennsylvania has the lowest death rate associated with alcohol consumption in the nation,” but what it is exactly about the act of union employees simply selling alcohol according to the laws that will still remain on the books is so very “effective,” is conspicuously unclear — although I’m sure the lack of competition and subsequently higher alcohol prices and workers’ compensation has something to do with their ridiculous correlation.

If you happened to be looking for a visualization of what “shameless” looks like, that was it.


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Pennsylvania has the lowest death rate associated with alcohol consumption in the nation,

I remember those west Pennsylvania local newspapers would have a picture of some god-awful accident that took place overnight, and several times a week at that (Indiana Gazette). I could never get over how badly mashed up those vehicles always were.

Sure they come at you down the center line going around a hilly curve up there on two-lane roads, but if most of these people are sober, then I can’t see how alcohol in their blood could make them that much more dangerous.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 18, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Erika, you expected classy from a union?

LincolntheHun on June 18, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Unions, always looking out for the public’s, er the union’s best interests. And they will sink as low as they need to.

major dad on June 18, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Come on. That was ripped from the headlines of the Onion.

Greek Fire on June 18, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Interesting. Alcohol put may aunt and uncle in their graves and they lived in Pennsylvania.

Unions are fighting to oppose making Ohio a right to work state. I hate those ads.

rbj on June 18, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Pennsy has the MOST dysfunctional alcohol purchase laws in the US. They make Mass and the “package store” look almost quaint.

CaptainNed on June 18, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 18, 2013 at 7:17 PM

And where did those drivers get the booze?

A bar? A kegger at a private home?

State stores here sell only packaged spirits and wine. No booze by the glass in a state store.

Wine merchants sell wine by the case. Beer distributors sell it by the case or keg. Six packs of beer can also be purchased at licensed private retailers.

Wethal on June 18, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Opposition to State Liquor Store privatization is a curious left-right coalition in Pennsylvania.

On the left is the unions.

On the right, are the Baptists who think the lousy hours, lousy selection, lousy convenience, etc. increases prices reduces consumption and reduces drunk driving as a result. Therefore, the union INEFFECTIVENESS is what effectively reduces drunk driving, in this school of thought.

Therefore, these ads are partly designed to mobilize the Baptist anti-alcohol right in PA, which also opposes the privatization.

There is a school of thought in PA that says the difficulty of buying a wine and spirits reduces drinking and therefore drunk driving. That thought is what motivates elements of the Baptist community to oppose change, even though they might not support the unions. (No one likes the state stores except for the unions and Democratic recipients of their donations).

FYI, PA is in the bottom 10 in spirits, and bottom 15 in liquor, behind places like Utah and the Bible Belt primarily.

PrincetonAl on June 18, 2013 at 7:33 PM

You can’t get beer from Commonwealth stores, because they don’t offer it. You can carry out beer from a bar or a distributor, which are private businesses. I lived in PA a long time.

Only wines and spirits can be had from Commonwealth stores. No private entity is legally allowed to sell either.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Liquor store privatization is pretty much a death trap

They predicted the end of the world in Washington State when privatization was approved by the voters. World hasn’t ended yet.

Rode Werk on June 18, 2013 at 7:35 PM

CaptainNed on June 18, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Agree. Plenty of other places do too.

Here in Richmond, we have state liquor stores, but you can buy beer and wine at the grocery. 7 days a week.

I went to visit my family in a small town in Ky recently and wanted a beer while watching a golf tournament on tv. The closest place to buy beer on Sunday was Lexington, over 70 miles away. I’m taking a stash next time.

BacaDog on June 18, 2013 at 7:35 PM

I’m curious what stats they’re referring to? Cause I don’t see them leading anything…

But even then, if they’re responsible for those numbers then I guess they’re responsible for the 407 alcohol related driving fatalities in 2011…so guess we should replace the Union reps before they kill another 407 people?

nextgen_repub on June 18, 2013 at 7:37 PM

The Commonwealth of PA is the world’s largest purchaser -and seller- of wine and spirits.

So every death associated with wine and spirits purchased in PA is the responsibility of the commonwealth and this union, according to this logic.

Akzed on June 18, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Rule of thumb: NEVER heed statement from a union.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Know what I miss?

A good Virginia wine.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 7:41 PM

If it’s a death trap, it’s because the unions will be doing the killing.

Steve Eggleston on June 18, 2013 at 7:41 PM

The ostensible point of their ad campaign seems to be that both current laws and “the effectiveness of the wine and spirits’ stores employees, Pennsylvania has the lowest death rate associated with alcohol consumption in the nation,”

An even better way to lower the death rate associated with alcohol consumption is to abolish alcohol consumption.

Stoic Patriot on June 18, 2013 at 7:41 PM

TRANSLATION: “We gotta protect our phony-baloney jobs!”

GarandFan on June 18, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Know what I miss?

A good Virginia wine.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 7:41 PM

That’s why I make my own.

chewmeister on June 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

An even better way to lower the death rate associated with alcohol consumption is to abolish alcohol consumption.

Stoic Patriot on June 18, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Ummm…NO.

The way liberals think, we should all drink all we want. The way to abolish alcohol-related deaths is to ban death.

You really need to start thinking like a liberal, friend. :-)

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

TRANSLATION: “We gotta protect our phony-baloney jobs!”

GarandFan on June 18, 2013 at 7:43 PM

“Give the Governor a harumph!”

chewmeister on June 18, 2013 at 7:46 PM

That’s why I make my own.

chewmeister on June 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

I have tasted all kinds of wine. While I’m no connie-sewer, I love a Virginia. Had one only once.

Lovely…

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Even without union input, state liquor laws are arbitrary.

I mean why in the hell should grocery stores not be permitted to sell wine in TN when grocery stores in VA, NC and GA can sell wine in grocery stores…except in GA, where my sister used to live (Gwinnett County) couldn’t even sell beer on Sunday;

Why are liquor stores in TN close on certain FEDERAL holidays, but not on other federal holidays.

It is just stupid.

ladyingray on June 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

I have tasted all kinds of wine. While I’m no connie-sewer, I love a Virginia. Had one only once.

Lovely…

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Red or white, and made from what?

chewmeister on June 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Ummm…NO.

The way liberals think, we should all drink all we want. The way to abolish alcohol-related deaths is to ban death.

You really need to start thinking like a liberal, friend. :-)

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

But think of what that’ll do to the morticians’ union! =P

Stoic Patriot on June 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Red or white, and made from what?

chewmeister on June 18, 2013 at 7:55 PM

It was a white. I can’t well do a red. Reds sit like a brick with me. Though I’m of some Italian lineage, I rather not drink a Chainti.

Generally, I like a white. The Virginia I had was awesome, delicious. I don’t know the brand or the vintage, but it was the best I ever had.

Semi-sweet, with no bitterness. I learned how to taste and enjoy a wine, before having been a fan of Rhines. To further note: I hate French wines.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 8:00 PM

B

ut think of what that’ll do to the morticians’ union! =P

Stoic Patriot on June 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Morticians will NEVER go out of business.

Years ago, I was aiming for the ‘mortuary sciences’.

The thing tat stopped that profession was having to deal with a child who died by fire.

I went into Chemistry instead.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 8:03 PM

TRANSLATION: “We gotta protect our phony-baloney jobs!”

GarandFan on June 18, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Of course. A couple months ago, I was in just such one Wine and Spirits store and the youngish clerk was whining to me that he loves his job there and if privitization occurred, he’d probably be out of one.

I rolled my eyes and said something to the effect that if they went private, he’d likely still be working at the store, except as a part of an independently owned store and with a 401k plan rather than union benefits. Which of course is what it’s all about.

I so wish someone in this state would decertify the damn unions altogether. Unfortunately, I’m not seeing much of any leadership that is going to make a difference and I am probably going to be disappointed again. I’m not even that much of a drinker, but the State Store system in this commonwealth is the second most dysfunctional example of union cronyism, the state teachers’ unions being the first.

PatriotGal2257 on June 18, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Heard this on the radio today for the 1st time. Not real easily offended, but this thing is appalling. Hopefully it can help the Senate grow a pair and finally do away with this horrible state/union monopoly.

forest on June 18, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Not a big fan of the French stuff either. When it comes to the whites, the Italians know their stuff. I’ve made some Pinot from Italian grapes that is friggin’ awesome. While never a big wine drinker to begin with, my GF got me started on making wine as she enjoys a glass of Pinot while relaxing outside during the summer. I’ve also made a Shiraz (red) that is unbelievably good.

chewmeister on June 18, 2013 at 8:11 PM

chewmeister on June 18, 2013 at 8:11 PM

I don’t make wine, and have no clue how to do it so I wouldn’t even try. My ‘knowledge’ of good grapes starts and finishes with Welche’s Concord Grape Jelly. LOL

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM

At least 70 percent of Pennsylvanians support privatization. Sorry, union thugs. We’d like to buy alcohol like adults instead of being treated like children by the nanny state.

Philly on June 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM

chewmeister on June 18, 2013 at 8:11 PM

You must live in a state that allows you to purchase grapes other than Concord. Years ago, my boss (at the time) and her hubby made a batch of red wine and gave me a bottle to try. I don’t remember what I told her about it — probably a “little white lie” about how I liked it — but privately, I thought it was nothing to write home about. Later, she told me that Pennsylvania regulates the grapes as well — I don’t know if they still do — and the only ones she could use were Concord. I was intrigued when she first told me about making wine, but then when she explained the types of grapes she was limited to and my subsequent tasting of it, I thought I wouldn’t want to go to all that trouble to make what amounted to flat grape juice.

PatriotGal2257 on June 18, 2013 at 8:19 PM

The liquor laws here are stupid. Sh!tcan the laws and the unions. Neither is needed.

ROCnPhilly on June 18, 2013 at 8:21 PM

At least 70 percent of Pennsylvanians support privatization. Sorry, union thugs. We’d like to buy alcohol like adults instead of being treated like children by the nanny state.

Philly on June 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I’m with you, but the state seems to be going all squishy once again and I feel certain that just like the federal government, the powers that be in Pennsylvania don’t give a rat’s a$$ about the 70 percent of us who support privatization.

PatriotGal2257 on June 18, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Arizona; 6am to 2am, anywhere they have a liquor license. Bar, 7-11, Walmart, grocery, gas station, restaurant. whatever.

It’s all about personal responsiblility. Not laws.

srdem65 on June 18, 2013 at 8:25 PM

Md has good wines, too. Basignani. Va was Elkins and Winchester.

wolly4321 on June 18, 2013 at 8:25 PM

PatriotGal2257 on June 18, 2013 at 8:19 PM

I live in PA. I’m not aware of any regs on grapes at present. The juice can be purchased online from several sources when in season.

chewmeister on June 18, 2013 at 8:26 PM

The revenue generated from the liquor licenses was slated for education funding. I guess the food workers union thinks it’s OK that the state sponsors drunk driving and that schools should not receive the hefty funding.

The teachers union hasn’t said much about this where I live in PA, but it’s probably for fear of biting another union’s hand. Honor among thieves.

Philly on June 18, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Srdem65- ya forgot circle K’s. ;)

wolly4321 on June 18, 2013 at 8:29 PM

I’m so used to democrat bs I thought they couldn’t shock and disgust me anymore.

Silly me.

Squiggy on June 18, 2013 at 8:34 PM

I live in PA. I’m not aware of any regs on grapes at present. The juice can be purchased online from several sources when in season.

chewmeister on June 18, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Maybe it has changed in the years since I sampled my boss’s homemade wine then.
I remember being incredulous when she told me she could only use Concord grape juice. And I seem to remember that when she ordered it, she had to pick it up at the state store nearest her home — she couldn’t get it delivered directly to her house.

Did you have to do that, too, or have they relaxed that stupid directive as well?

PatriotGal2257 on June 18, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Is it true that the state run liquor stores run in the red? They do not make any profit.

tom daschle concerned on June 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

gotta luv da logic that if ya been drinking…. any accident that may happen is the drinkers fault…. never mind that the other guy ran that red light…. never mind that the other guy crossed the center line…. you had a drink… it’s your fault…. i’ve seen totally chit faced drivers doing a much better job that many sober jack holes.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on June 18, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Would be nice if they could put in on the ballot. Then it would be solved once and for all.

Philly on June 18, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I’m so used to democrat bs I thought they couldn’t shock and disgust me anymore.

Silly me.

Squiggy on June 18, 2013 at 8:34 PM

The country has lost all meaning of shame. There is no standard anymore by which is appropriate and it shows. New low, is new low I guess?

LaughterJones on June 18, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Is it true that the state run liquor stores run in the red? They do not make any profit.

tom daschle concerned on June 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM

I don’t know — wouldn’t surprise me — but just today on my way to work, I heard a radio ad that the Wine and Spirit Stores have just released an app for iPhones and Android. The commercial featured a woman who used it to scan the totally fab bottle of wine her friend served at dinner and she said “OMG! They have it in stock at my state store and it’s on sale!

I’m just so underwhelmed.

PatriotGal2257 on June 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Speaking of unions and death traps…

Have they found Jimmy Hoffa yet?

viking01 on June 18, 2013 at 9:04 PM

I have seen worse but Nice work Erika, breitbart the unions.
The reason there are different laws is local politics work for the local people.
I have no problem having no access to booze of any kind on Sunday.
People here go to Church, I shop on Saturday.
Representation for my taxation.

seesalrun2 on June 18, 2013 at 9:08 PM

At least 70 percent of Pennsylvanians support privatization. Sorry, union thugs. We’d like to buy alcohol like adults instead of being treated like children by the nanny state.

Philly on June 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I’m with you, but the state seems to be going all squishy once again and I feel certain that just like the federal government, the powers that be in Pennsylvania don’t give a rat’s a$$ about the 70 percent of us who support privatization.

PatriotGal2257 on June 18, 2013 at 8:23 PM

The old timer establishment types in the Senate are going to make sure nothing really changes.

For those of you unfamiliar, PA has R majorities in both houses and also the governorship, but they can’t even do away with this socialist liquor store scam. The Republican party is beyond useless.

forest on June 18, 2013 at 9:13 PM

I never knew until recently we were one of only a very few states that did not have private sales of wine and liquor. I thought state stores were the norm.

I guess i have to get out more.

JellyToast on June 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM

I live in WA State where Privatization just happened. Hate it (and I don’t like big government either).
Reasons: You have to shop for booze with kids and the masses. The small liquor stores are gone, along worth the selection. Pints are hard to fine. Have to stand in long lines for checkout. They don’t carry miniatures. And the State added more taxes to the liquor. Stores will price a bottle at $20 and it will end up costing $30 at checkout. A huge Mega Liquor store just opened, maybe things will straightened themselves out.

Whiterock on June 18, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Oh forgot to add, you can only buy booze in large grocery stores or pharmacies now.

Whiterock on June 18, 2013 at 9:23 PM

LOL the Pennsylvania State Liquor Stores have as of 2011 nearly $1,000,000,000 in Pension and other post-employment benefits.

Here is the PE Liquor Control Board’s Financial statements.

tom daschle concerned on June 18, 2013 at 9:28 PM

The old timer establishment types in the Senate are going to make sure nothing really changes.

For those of you unfamiliar, PA has R majorities in both houses and also the governorship, but they can’t even do away with this socialist liquor store scam. The Republican party is beyond useless.

forest on June 18, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Agreed. And this just confirms it. I don’t think Tom Corbett is going to get a bill on his desk in a week and a half. :(

PatriotGal2257 on June 18, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Um…..Um….trying to figure out how to respond to this absurdity.

The fact of the matter is that drunks are going to be drunks no matter the source of the liquor. It is a complete non-sequetor!

Virginia, where I live, has ABC stores too. They’ve evolved over time. Back in the 1970s, you literally had to tell a clerk behind a counter what you wanted in an outlet that had all the charm of the DMV. It was huge when they went to shelved product. The governor recently proposed privatizing (as a right-to-work state I don’t think the employees are unionized but I could be wrong about that). Studies show that there really isn’t any net gain for the state to change the system.

I’ve also lived in plenty of states that did not have ABC stores(which was convenient because you could get hard liquor at the grocery store). I’d say that is a far higher risk of drunk drivers because when a drunk comes into a state store and tries to buy booze it is far easier to spot the potential DUI than if they are simply buying groceries.

Bottom line what a stupid “shovel across the face” attempt at changing minds from a union threatened by change.

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2013 at 9:33 PM

tom daschle concerned on June 18, 2013 at 9:28 PM

Of course! Figures! Makes me even angrier — it’s as big a racket, maybe more, as the turnpike system is, where jobs are passed down from parent to child or the obviously politically connected and they’re all there for life, with all the pensions and benefits therein.

Reminds me of a neighbor of mine who used to be a state liquor store inspector. When he worked, and I say that loosely, people who knew him said he was the laziest shlub around, but because he was a state employee, he made it a point to throw his (considerable) weight around every chance he got.

PatriotGal2257 on June 18, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Speaking of unions and death traps…

Have they found Jimmy Hoffa yet?

viking01 on June 18, 2013 at 9:04 PM

They will have overturned every square inch of soil in Michigan before they find Hoffa. I lived there for a while. It is almost a game where every year they have a Hoffa investigation.

It is akin to the “Bradford Bishop” game they played in DC for years. Bishop was a failed Foreign Service Officer who killed his family (including his mom) in 1976. He loaded them into the family station wagon and drove down to North Carolina where he attempted to incinerate them. For years afterwards, there were annual spottings of him around the world.

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Pennsylvania’s state stores were pretty much like Virginia’s in the 70s, too — had that certain DMV vibe to them. A rite of passage for anyone who turned 21 was that we had to go to the state store to get an official liquor store photo ID to be able to purchase alcohol, as Pennsylvania did not have photo driver’s licenses until 1983.

PatriotGal2257 on June 18, 2013 at 9:45 PM

They predicted the end of the world in Washington State when privatization was approved by the voters. World hasn’t ended yet.

Rode Werk on June 18, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Except for large tax increases on the booze. For which Oregon state run liquor stores and beer/wine stores on the border in Portland thank you. :)

I still laugh every time I drive down south and starting about 120 miles out on the interstate you see billboards for the California liquor barns just across the border. CA has sales tax and yet its often cheaper with better selection than OR state stores… how weird.

oryguncon on June 18, 2013 at 9:53 PM

The way liberals think, we should all drink all we want. The way to abolish alcohol-related deaths is to ban death.

You really need to start thinking like a liberal, friend. :-)

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Henry Gibson would like a word with you Death continues to be our nation’s number one killer, though PlaceboCare will be challenging that shortly.

Steve Eggleston on June 18, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Henry Gibson would like a word with you Death continues to be our nation’s number one killer, though PlaceboCare will be challenging that shortly.

Steve Eggleston on June 18, 2013 at 10:01 PM

I was half-expecting a clip of Dr. Klopek from The ‘Burbs. Where is that clip from?

JimLennon on June 18, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Pennsylvania’s state stores were pretty much like Virginia’s in the 70s, too — had that certain DMV vibe to them. A rite of passage for anyone who turned 21 was that we had to go to the state store to get an official liquor store photo ID to be able to purchase alcohol, as Pennsylvania did not have photo driver’s licenses until 1983.

PatriotGal2257 on June 18, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Going to school in upstate New York in the 1970s — when the drinking age was still 18 — you learned about ‘alcohol socialism’ if you ever took a trip either down to (or through) Pennsylvania or up to Canada. Odd as it may seem right now, New York was a bastion of free-market capitalism compared to the other two (not-so-odd if you remember many of the beer and liquor distributors in the immediate post-Prohibition era were based in New York, or brought their wares across the board via New York, like Seagram’s. So the bars, small, privately-run liquor stores and the beer barns were plentiful in the Empire State).

jon1979 on June 18, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Socialized liquor. Christ.

And I thought Indiana was backwards for requiring liquor stores to be closed on Sundays.

JimLennon on June 18, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Hey, you can’t drink Jack Daniels in the county that it is produced. Alcohol laws are insane in this country. Does anyone really think that college age “adults”, 18, 19 & 20 year olds, aren’t drinking alcohol?

SC.Charlie on June 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

First I don’t know where Pa stands as far as deaths but I know for DWI’s they are up there ….2′d Pa is one of 2 states maybe 3 in the nation which still has state run stores selling booze ….. there are 3,500 union jobs and that is what this is all about ….unions can’t afford to lose to many more battles …they have lost in Wi … Ind …. Mich and it hurt badly and granted this is not on that scale but it will still hurt

Aggie95 on June 18, 2013 at 10:28 PM

I for one like the PA state store system. I hope they don’t change it. The stores are clean, attractive, and the clerks are are knowledgeable and helpful.

Paddington on June 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

I for one like the PA state store system. I hope they don’t change it. The stores are clean, attractive, and the clerks are are knowledgeable and helpful. – Paddington on June 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

And, the people who are hired by the state system vote Democrat. They are just quasi-state jobs. Private enterprise, please.

SC.Charlie on June 18, 2013 at 10:51 PM

It’s for the featherbedded union goons with no-show jobs CHILDREN!

Haiku Guy on June 18, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Hey, you can’t drink Jack Daniels in the county that it is produced. Alcohol laws are insane in this country. Does anyone really think that college age “adults”, 18, 19 & 20 year olds, aren’t drinking alcohol?

SC.Charlie on June 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

We either need to get serious about enforcing drug and booze use laws or surrender and suffer the consequences until we’re ready to do the former.

MelonCollie on June 18, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Here in Washington we has voter approved privatization. Love it! Prices went up, sort of. Now we know the amount of tax per bottle when all we got before was one price with all the taxes rolled into it. Love getting my Grey Goose from my grocery store down the street. I do miss the little minibottles but that means I’m just too lazy to drive to a bigger store that carries them. Why pay a unionized state employee $20/hour of my tax dollars to stock shelves and run a cash register? Of the 900 or so state employees that lost their jobs over this only a few we’re picked up by private industry. Wonder why?

DUI’s on the increase? I do not honestly know but the libtard voters did vote to make pot legal so the DUI’s will go up I’m guessing but not due to ethanol I’m thinking.

It was nice to buy Grey Goose at 10:30pm last night along with milk, ice cream and pop tarts.

Bubba Redneck on June 19, 2013 at 12:18 AM

Brain-dead mouth-breather union philosophy:
1. Don’t. Concede. One. Inch. On. Anything.
2. No. Blow. Too. Low.

Marcola on June 19, 2013 at 12:38 AM

The selection in even the biggest PA Wine and Spirits stores is terrible. Most of the time I cannot find my favorite bourbon or California wine. They only carry the top-selling national brands, even though small-batch boutique bourbon is the biggest trend in liquor consumption.

I buy most of my alcohol in New Jersey, where you can get it all at the grocery store or go to a liquor store if you like. It’s ridiculous that Yuengling beer is brewed in Pennsylvania and costs $12.99 for a six-pack there, but I can get a 12-pack for $12.99 at Wegman’s in New Jersey.

My state senator is the key guy on all of this, as chairman of the Judiciary committee. He just introduced his bill today, finally.

rockmom on June 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM

This means that if we had gotten rid of labor unions alcoholism would have gone away … right?

kregg on June 19, 2013 at 8:22 AM

In Arizona we could go into the local “super market” and purchase, groceries, wine, liquor, beer (or a saddle). We could also buy beer at a drive up window. Since moving to PA we travel about 7 miles in one direction for groceries and about 15 miles in the opposite direction for beer, a couple miles further for wine and spirits. With privatization I would expect that to change with more independent outlets.

oldernwiser on June 19, 2013 at 8:35 AM

We either need to get serious about enforcing drug and booze use laws or surrender and suffer the consequences until we’re ready to do the former. – MelonCollie on June 18, 2013 at 11:52 PM

I am very serious about enforcing drunk driving laws. I think that the .10 level is sane. The lowering the level to .08 was foolish and now the push to lower it to .05 is just plain stupid. The fact is that those who are involved in wrecks are those who are far over the .08 level. I, also, think we should allow 18 year olds to legally drink. They just don’t or at least not allowed to legally to drink in front of adults. Alcohol education should be be part of everyone’s education. The diseases caused by alcohol can fill a full page. Anyone who does drink, should drink in moderation. As a footnote, even MADD is against lowering the blood alcohol level to .05.

SC.Charlie on June 19, 2013 at 9:09 AM

In Arizona we could go into the local “super market” and purchase, groceries, wine, liquor, beer (or a saddle). We could also buy beer at a drive up window. Since moving to PA we travel about 7 miles in one direction for groceries and about 15 miles in the opposite direction for beer, a couple miles further for wine and spirits. With privatization I would expect that to change with more independent outlets. -oldernwiser on June 19, 2013 at 8:35 AM

You think that is bad, in North Carolina and in Georgia there are dry and wet counties.

SC.Charlie on June 19, 2013 at 9:11 AM