Joe Biden once again pushing gun-control action in Congress

posted at 2:31 pm on June 18, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

However ill doing so may bode for their electoral chances in 2014, as Ed explained last week, certain Congressional and administrative Democrats have been quietly reviving some of the gun-control ideas that Congress declined to pass last April, most specifically expanded background checks. In that spirit, the White House just put out a report detailing what they are calling their “progress” on the 23 executive actions that President Obama promised to get to work on implementing last January, and they again deployed the vice president to act as their point man on the issue at a speech at the White House on Tuesday afternoon:

Two months after the Senate failed to support the expansion of background checks for gun purchasers, Vice President Joe Biden hosts an event at the White House on Tuesday to show how the administration has continued efforts to reduce gun violence.

Biden in a speech will discuss the administration’s progress on 21 out of 23 executive actions produced by a gun violence task force he led after the deadly Dec. 14, 2012, shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. …

The progress achieved includes ending the ban on government research of gun violence, increasing reporting efforts from states about potentially dangerous gun purchasers and enhancing the tracking of guns recovered in criminal investigations, according to a progress report on the actions to be released by the White House. …

The progress report will also emphasize that Congress needs to act to reduce gun violence. (On Monday, a senior administration official said the executive actions “are in no way a replacement for concrete legislative action.”)

Why the renewed push, when the issue is hardly what we’d call an election-winner for Democrats at the margin? Well, for one thing, as Josh Kraushaar points out at National Journal, President Obama has throughout his presidency enjoyed steadfast support from his Democratic base, but all of the scandals and sketchiness going on in his administration might for the first time be putting a pretty serious damper on his typically reliable contingents:

Through the highs and lows of his two terms, President Obama has always maintained rock-solid approval ratings with his base. He won a second term in surprisingly comfortable fashion by rallying young voters, single women, and minorities to his side. But the controversy over the administration’s surveillance techniques is exposing, for the first time, a potential soft spot with one of those core groups.

In a new CNN/ORC poll, Obama’s job approval dropped 8 points in the last month to 45 percent. Among Americans age 18-29, that number slipped 17 points. Democratic pollsters told National Journal‘s Ron Fournier they are seeing similar trend lines emerging.

Gun control is a major issue for the president’s fan base of true believers, and now might be a pretty good time to fall back and remind them that they’re still serious about fundamental issues and committed to Doing Something — which conveniently allows them to simultaneously and pointedly remind everyone about that blasted, obstructionist Republican Congress they’re up against.

For another thing, Chris Cillizza points out at WaPo that Joe Biden probably has a bit of political strategery somewhere in his mind as well:

Biden knows how to make a deal: If gun control is taken up again in this Congress — something that seems like a long-shot but could happen — and Biden continues to stay after the issue, it would 1) Boost his reputation as a Capitol Hill gridlock-breaker with an ability to resurrect legislative debates that looked like they weren’t going anywhere. And 2) Behoove the administration to have him in the mix during the renewed negotiations.

Anyhow, in his actual and completely recycled speech, Biden tried to challenge the notion that gun-control is a losing issue for many Democrats and insisted that the country has actually changed, that many of the proposed measures are “common sense” ideas with which the vast majority of the country agrees and that everyone’s opinions have really shifted leftward. But, er… really? Via Charles C.W. Cooke at NRO:

Meanwhile, supposedly vulnerable Arkansan senator, Mark Pryor, is running re-election commercials in which he not only stands by his vote on Toomey-Manchin but hits out at both President Obama and Michael Bloomberg; Colorado’s electorate is showing signs of tiring of its one party rule, while voters in the districts of gun-controlling representatives are considering recalls; on the back of a sweeping new gun law, Connecticut’s 53rd District went Republican for the first time since Richard Nixon was in the White House; and in New York, the Times Union reports today:

“Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s popularity has slipped, a poll released Wednesday by Quinnipiac University shows, likely due to Cuomo’s aggressive advocacy for a gun control bill that he signed into law earlier this month.”


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I was wondering where they had him locked away. Barry leave the country and up pops Bite Me.

Dingbat63 on June 18, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Who was the whack job doctor on MASH? You know Hotlip’s BF.

CW on June 18, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Distraction.

fogw on June 18, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Who was the whack job doctor on MASH? You know Hotlip’s BF.

CW on June 18, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Maj. Frank Burns.

trigon on June 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM

I say we concentrate our blog posts at this moment on (stopping) amnesty right now. Why? It’s critical because what people say is true, with amnesty soon the percent of voters that will be Democrat will be much higher, and we’re already at a disadvantage. And then soon, with an alliance of libs & immigrant voters, the “border security” will be nothing, Mexicans will be free to immigrate and vote as US Citizens, because of the lib & Hispanic coalition, which will be unstoppable.
And they will almost all vote Dem. It’s not about any “natural conservative” impulses of the fertile immigrants. It’s about them being low income and it being in their interest to push for as much redistribution to them from the previous owners of the country (us). That obviously means voting Democrat.
No, as I’ve said, fighting amnesty is not perfect for us, but succumbing to amnesty will ensure we fail as Republicans. No question. So we have to fight, or in effect we’re all Dems, and Mexification wins.

anotherJoe on June 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM

They’re still chafing from the trouncing they got in April, when they were certain they would win. Losing never sits well with liberals, so the fall back position is to nag an issue to death in further hope of that infantile instant gratification they constantly crave.

Enforce the existing gun laws, you nitwits! How about trying that first in Chicago, Detroit, and NY where, Father’s Day weekend, a lot of baby daddies got shot. In all three cities, there are neighborhoods where postal carriers refuse to go and police fear to tread.

Fix all that first, then maybe we’ll talk.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM

molon labe

freedomfirst on June 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Going after American’s guns in the midst of Obama’s Orwellian over-reach on privacy and gov’t intrusion…winner! Do it, Sparky!

Wyznowski on June 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Let’s have a background check of Jill Biden and her double-barreled shotgun she shoots at nosey neighbors in Delaware.

Steve Z on June 18, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Maj. Frank Burns.

trigon on June 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Thank you. Joe Biden can play the part in the remake.

CW on June 18, 2013 at 2:48 PM

I popped a 1.8 inch group at 300 yards this weekend with my heavy barreled 308.

That’s the only gun control I’m interested in.

claudius on June 18, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Typical Dems. They keep at it and at it until they wear the other side down or get their way. It was this way with gay marriage. They don’t seem to understand that guns rights advocates mean it when they say you won’t get our guns without a fight. This is a line in the sand they’d better not cross.

neyney on June 18, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Blam-Blam is baaaack!

kirkill on June 18, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Considering it was Biden (and Eric Cantor) that torpedoed the Grand Bargain behind the scenes while Obama and Boehner were golfing or whatever, I’d hardly consider him the Great Gridlock Gr-breaker.

The Schaef on June 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM

claudius on June 18, 2013 at 2:53 PM

300 yds!? You must have had it anchored on a sled.

kirkill on June 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM

neyney on June 18, 2013 at 2:58 PM

I was married a long time. It made me hostile to harping and nagging. The more someone does it, the more likely I’ll dig in my heels.

I’m not budging on gun rights even the breadth of a hair.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 3:02 PM

SHALL

NOT

BE

INFRINGED

…JACKASSES!

TX-96 on June 18, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Enforce the existing gun laws, you nitwits! How about trying that first in Chicago, Detroit, and NY where, Father’s Day weekend, a lot of baby daddies got shot. In all three cities, there are neighborhoods where postal carriers refuse to go and police fear to tread.

Fix all that first, then maybe we’ll talk.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM

“regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.”
– Slow Joe Biden

Sorry, Liam, we can’t enforce existing gun laws. No time, no manpower. The only answer is to make more. Makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?

Pale Rider on June 18, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Could I ask one simple question:

Why is it that the People control debate a one-way street?

Why is it like a constrictor snake around liberty that waits until a Serious Crisis comes about before it constricts once again?

Why can’t the debate work the other way around? Why can’t examples of guns saving lives be a reason to push back against the National Socialist’s squeezing of the life out of freedom?

Gun save lives throughout the country – why aren’t these incidences reason enough to look at places where the Civil right of self defense is constricted and look at ways these attacks on freedom be reversed?

Galt2009 on June 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM

And the lsm is upset with the gop pushing abortion bill that will never pass the senate
Hello,Mcfly?

cmsinaz on June 18, 2013 at 3:15 PM

They’re still chafing from the trouncing they got in April, when they were certain they would win.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Oh they knew they would win and Obama and Biden both made huge promises to go even further with gun control now that they had a tragedy to exploit and foil the Repubs once and for all. It didn’t work out that way and for the very first time Obama got personally smacked in the face politically and he did not like it one bit. Hence the meltdown after the no vote on background checks.

Johnnyreb on June 18, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?

Pale Rider on June 18, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Sure, it makes sense.

Not to anyone with a brain, but it makes sense.

Actually, what I think they’re aiming for are laws that they WILL enforce with extreme diligence and gusto, those that disarm the law-abiding for the flimsiest of reasons. Plus all the money to be made from the exorbitant fines imposed for violations of the new laws.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 3:17 PM

I think Biden’s been ghost writing that gun ownership series in Ms. magazine. Might expain the level of incredulity it generates. Prolly will clinch it if the main character ditches her Glock for a door ventilatin’ shotgun.

apostic on June 18, 2013 at 3:21 PM

“…and they again deployed the vice president to act as their point man…”

deployedpoint man… Biden. Funny, that.

Tsar of Earth on June 18, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Actually, what I think they’re aiming for are laws that they WILL enforce with extreme diligence and gusto, those that disarm the law-abiding for the flimsiest of reasons. Plus all the money to be made from the exorbitant fines imposed for violations of the new laws.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 3:17 PM

That is precisely what they’re aiming for.

Pale Rider on June 18, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Biden 2016 begins.

BobMbx on June 18, 2013 at 3:25 PM

claudius on June 18, 2013 at 2:53 PM

In my neighborhood, we call that “Maggies Drawers”.

Its all in the squeeze.

BobMbx on June 18, 2013 at 3:27 PM

I popped a 1.8 inch group at 300 yards this weekend with my heavy barreled 308.

That’s the only gun control I’m interested in.

claudius on June 18, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Nice grouping . Now tell me it was offhand and I WILL be impressed.

yesiamapirate on June 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM

I love Joe. If the Democrats put him out there every day arguing for gun control, that’s the best possible turn of events.

In my own mind, I think it must be the same for Democrats as far as it concerns McCain and Graham; you just love to see your favorite advocate out there.

MTF on June 18, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Joe Biden for President, 2017!!!

The Rogue Tomato on June 18, 2013 at 3:49 PM

claudius on June 18, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Sweet… sub MOA. Handloads?

Hill60 on June 18, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Ahem.

House unanimously adopts Kelly Amendment to ban funding for UN Arms Trade Treaty

These guys also forget that unlike other lobbying groups in Washington, the NRA is made up of private individuals, not a consortium of businesses or unions.

When they act, they act as individuals with individual opinions and passions. Not like some paid union drone.

kurtzz3 on June 18, 2013 at 3:58 PM

It’s only a matter of time before he sticks his foot in it again. He’ll probably spew something priceless about all the other scandals he’s been so quiet about until now. Keep him talking.

CurtZHP on June 18, 2013 at 3:58 PM

I popped a 1.8 inch group at 300 yards this weekend with my heavy barreled 308.

That’s the only gun control I’m interested in.

claudius on June 18, 2013 at 2:53 PM

I’ve got one pinned to my wall: .49 inches at 600 yards. Witnessed.

The progress achieved includes ending the ban on government research of gun violence..

The reason Congress shut this down is that the doctors were using their authority to make blatant appeals for gun control by only looking at the down-side of gun violence and using flawed statistics to back it up. Obama and HHS is deliberately thumbing their noses at the voters and their representatives who put this in place only after years of phony “science” in promotion of political goals, and they’re skating on thin legal ice to do it.

Socratease on June 18, 2013 at 4:04 PM

OMG – is Joe Biden still Vice President? Amazing.

Pork-Chop on June 18, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Can we make Joe fire some warning shots with his shotgun from the deck of the Naval Observatory first?

blammm on June 18, 2013 at 4:31 PM

claudius on June 18, 2013 at 2:53 PM

300 yds!? You must have had it anchored on a sled.

kirkill on June 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM

There have been some amazing results with the 6.5-284 over the last couple of years. In 1000-yard benchrest, the 30-calibers are still used by more shooters, but the little 6.5 is becoming more prevalent every season, and taking home more than its share of fake wood trophies. Rich DeSimone set a tough record to beat in the IBS Light Gun category with 1.564″ 5-shot group at 1000 yards with his Ackleyized 6.5-284 Super and Clinch River 147s. Last year alone, John Hoover and his daughter Marissa each nailed perfect 100 scores at Williamsport with their 6.5-284s. In 1998, John shot Williamsport’s first-ever perfect Light Gun 100 score, with 5X and a 5.585″ group for TEN shots.

Solaratov on June 18, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Nice grouping . Now tell me it was offhand and I WILL be impressed.

yesiamapirate on June 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM

1000 yards…offhand…

first round hit…video…

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2013/06/06/barrett-50-off-hand-1000-yards-like-a-sir/

plus, nine witnesses

Solaratov on June 18, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Joe Biden has nothing else to do? It costs the NRA lots of money to keep fighting this fight? Distraction from the scandals? Personally, I think they are purposely overloading Congress with all these major bills they hope to pass before they recess.

lea on June 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM

The progress achieved includes ending the ban on government research of gun violence..

The reason Congress shut this down is that the doctors were using their authority to make blatant appeals for gun control by only looking at the down-side of gun violence and using flawed statistics to back it up. Obama and HHS is deliberately thumbing their noses at the voters and their representatives who put this in place only after years of phony “science” in promotion of political goals, and they’re skating on thin legal ice to do it.

Socratease on June 18, 2013 at 4:04 PM

As with AGW, Alar, etc., any “research program” conducted by “scientists” with a political agenda, backed by government money granted by officials and politicians with the same agenda, will find all evidence supports… doing whatever furthers that agenda.

I’d say this isn’t “rocket science”, but in a way it is. After all, we have NASA scientists conducting programs to “prove” that Muslims made a great contribution to the history of space exploration.

Never mind that the nearest they came was “borrowing” the idea for black powder, and black powder rockets, bombs, and ultimately primitive guns, from the Chinese. (See The Genius of China: 3,000 Years of Science, Discovery, and Invention, by Robert Temple, and/or Gunpowder- Alchemy, Bombards, & Pyrotechnics: the History of the Explosive that Changed the World by Jack Kelly.)

The moral is that politicians with axes to grind should never be allowed to hire “scientists” to sharpen them. Period.

clear ether

eon

eon on June 18, 2013 at 4:51 PM

There have been some amazing results with the 6.5-284 over the last couple of years. In 1000-yard benchrest

I spent a lot of money on a custom 6.5-284. It shot some very good groups, and the low recoil and being able to watch my rounds go downrange in the scope was an advantage. However, it wasn’t as consistent as my .308, and the long action was never as smooth and glitch-free as the .308. Considering that plus the extra barrel wear of the hotter cartridge, I went back to the .308 because, in the end, it was just more fun and more rewarding to shoot.

Socratease on June 18, 2013 at 5:08 PM

1000 yards… offhand… first round hit… video…

Daayum! I tried 200 yards off-hand with my .308 heavy barrel, totally sucked at it.

Socratease on June 18, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Yeah, Joe, the country has changed -
Just not the way you think.

Another Drew on June 18, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Socratease on June 18, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Sure wish all those doctors could do something about the 100,000+ people they kill in hospitals each year due to “medical accidents”.
Then, they might have some standing to criticize the “gun nuts”.
And why do perfectly healthy people contract deadly infections in hospitals and doctor’s offices?
Nobody who I’ve invited into my house has ever died of a gunshot wound, or even suffered one.

Another Drew on June 18, 2013 at 5:30 PM

The only reason Obama will push for firearm legislation is to create a national gun registry so that the one they most likely already have can be legitimately shared with the gestapo DHS.

ROCnPhilly on June 18, 2013 at 5:37 PM

I wonder: Do they plan to do background checks on the rebels in Syria whom we’re going to be arming?

Or are they already satisfied that they are Al Qaeda affiliated?

bobcalco on June 19, 2013 at 7:35 AM