Eye on the ball: Country without TP ponders banning baby bottles

posted at 3:11 pm on June 18, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

Watch out, Bloomie! You’ve got a loathsome nanny-state competitor!

Venezuelan lawmakers are weighing whether to ban the use of baby bottles as part of a push to promote breast-feeding, state media reported.
The proposed measure will be up for debate in the South American country’s National Assembly on Tuesday, lawmaker Odalis Monzon said in an interview with state-run VTV.

“Every baby has the right to breast-feeding,” said Monzon, a lawmaker from the ruling United Socialist Party of Venezuela.

In addition to banning bottle-feeding, the proposed revisions to Venezuela’s Law of Promotion and Protection of Breastfeeding also include plans to penalize those who advertise baby formula, she said.

So much for “my body, my choice” when the nanny-staters decide they know what’s best for the baby. Babies have a positive right to your breast milk, and you have an obligation to provide it.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg thus far has been happy to merely strong-arm hospitals into cutting down on formula advertising, bottles, and giveaways. Bottles and formula aren’t banned, but hidden away, and each bottle dispensed at a hospital comes with a lecture. But pioneering Venezuelans just might whet his appetite for a little more nannying:

Mayor Bloomberg is pushing hospitals to hide their baby formula behind locked doors so more new mothers will breast-feed.

Starting Sept. 3, the city will keep tabs on the number of bottles that participating hospitals stock and use — the most restrictive pro-breast-milk program in the nation.

Under the city Health Department’s voluntary Latch On NYC initiative, 27 of the city’s 40 hospitals have also agreed to give up swag bags sporting formula-company logos, toss out formula-branded tchotchkes like lanyards and mugs, and document a medical reason for every bottle that a newborn receives.

I love the use of the word “voluntary.” Ha.

It’s not like Venezuela’s leadership has anything more pressing to worry about:

Venezuela’s National Assembly has backed plans to import 39 million rolls of toilet paper, in an effort to relieve a chronic shortage.

Lawmakers voted to approve a $79m credit for the country’s ministry of commerce, which will also be used to buy toothpaste and soap. …

Visit Venezuela: All of the overbearing, petty intrusiveness of New York City, none of the prosperity. If I were Venezuelan, I’d offer a deal. How ’bout when I no longer need a smart phone app to wipe my butt, you can start legislating ways to wipe it for me.


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oh man, just wait…Michelle just got a new idea!

kirkill on June 18, 2013 at 3:15 PM

SO what happens when the female can not produce enough milk so to say to feed a rather hungry kid?

Add into the fact that you can not plop out the package right there in the middle of the store. I am all for breast feeding… think its healthy, but that is something that should be done somewhat private… unless you wanna look like some other 3rd world countries where you see pictures of the moms with a kid latched onto it .

watertown on June 18, 2013 at 3:17 PM

So much for “my body, my choice” when the nanny-staters decide they know what’s best for the baby. Babies have a positive right to your breast milk, and you have an obligation to provide it.

To the Left in this country, the question is: What’s a baby?

Bitter Clinger on June 18, 2013 at 3:18 PM

unless you wanna look like some other 3rd world countries where you see pictures of the moms with a kid latched onto it .

watertown on June 18, 2013 at 3:17 PM

There’s nothing inherantly wrong with breastfeeding in public.

You find that image “3rd world” and unpleasant, but that’s just because you think we’re too sophisticated or some other irrational notion.

The fact is, it’s only unusual here because for decades we pushed formula and bottles over breast feeding and only more recently are we learning that this was probably a mistake.

In other words, adjust your perception.

Nessuno on June 18, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Visit Venezuela: All of the overbearing, petty intrusiveness of New York City, none of the prosperity. If I were Venezuelan, I’d offer a deal. How ’bout when I no longer need a smart phone app to wipe my butt, you can start legislating ways to wipe it for me.

*snort*

*chortle*

Bitter Clinger on June 18, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Sounds like they should be worrying more about diaper rash.

Arnold Yabenson on June 18, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Might as well ban breast pumps too, because if a woman has to pump milk for whatever reason to feed baby later, she won’t have anything to put it in for baby to feed from.

stick on June 18, 2013 at 3:23 PM

stick on June 18, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Of course, it’s not like liberals ever consider consequences when they make regulations up on the fly.

kirkill on June 18, 2013 at 3:30 PM

To the Left in this country, the question is: What’s a baby?

Bitter Clinger on June 18, 2013 at 3:18 PM

A 26 year old still being carried on his parents’ health insurance.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 3:30 PM

This proposed ban must be the Venezuelan equivalent of ‘smart power’.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Every baby has the right to boobies.

The Rogue Tomato on June 18, 2013 at 3:34 PM

A 26 year old still being carried on his parents’ health insurance.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Heh.

Reminds me of something Dennis Miller said: The government will give you cradle-to-grave support, but getting to the cradle can be the tricky part.

Bitter Clinger on June 18, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Shiny objects to keep people not pondering how bad their leaders are.

Baby bottles in VZ.
A scandal a day in the USA.

jukin3 on June 18, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Can’t feed ‘em with a bottle, but you can legally kill ‘em by the bushel basket….
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If a person has to cover this “thing” under their insurance until age 26, then it is obviously not a human being since it can’t take care of itself.
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Legalize abortions up to age 26 I say! The terrible two’s and the teenage years might not be so bad then….

Simonsez on June 18, 2013 at 3:41 PM

What crap! Further proving the left’s war on men. You would deny a father the experience of feeding his baby?

Mom jeans aisle 4 Bloomy!

can_con on June 18, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Not all mothers can breast feed. My wife can’t.

p.s. Kids turned out fine on formula

JeremiahJohnson on June 18, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Might as well ban breast pumps too, because if a woman has to pump milk for whatever reason to feed baby later, she won’t have anything to put it in for baby to feed from.

Hmmm, I sense an opportunity here. A new job market opens up for surrogate breast feeders, hourly/daily/weekly rates, on call , walk-ins, by appointment and with frequent feeder discounts available. Also, exclusive and reasonable contracts for up to three years.

hawkeye54 on June 18, 2013 at 3:49 PM

The fact is, it’s only unusual here because for decades we pushed formula and bottles over breast feeding and only more recently are we learning that this was probably a mistake.

In other words, adjust your perception.

Nessuno on June 18, 2013 at 3:20 PM

I realize this is anecdotal, but my children did just fine with formula. No obesity, no extra ear infections, etc. And they grew like weeds. So I am NOT learning that what I did was a mistake. And they also slept on their tummies-horrors!

As an aside, my mother-in-law used to make a special bottle of coke-milk; of course she was a southerner!

2L8 on June 18, 2013 at 3:50 PM

“Every baby has the right to breast-feeding,”

You can call me Baby, baby.

BacaDog on June 18, 2013 at 3:51 PM

From mamma’s teat to the government teat… it all makes sense.

Hill60 on June 18, 2013 at 3:53 PM

for decades we pushed formula and bottles over breast feeding

Who is this “we” of whom you speak? Can people not choose one method or another without claiming they were “pushed” into it? My gosh, the mind boggles!

2L8 on June 18, 2013 at 3:54 PM

To the Left in this country, the question is: What’s a baby?

Bitter Clinger on June 18, 2013 at 3:18 PM

According to The Rat-Eared (I)Won-der, a burden.

Hmmm, I sense an opportunity here. A new job market opens up for surrogate breast feeders, hourly/daily/weekly rates, on call , walk-ins, by appointment and with frequent feeder discounts available. Also, exclusive and reasonable contracts for up to three years.

hawkeye54 on June 18, 2013 at 3:49 PM

a la Larry the Cable Guy: http://voices.yahoo.com/how-induce-lactation-naturally-without-hormones-3301776.html
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A site for the ladies: http://www.sgpaction.com/

davidk on June 18, 2013 at 3:56 PM

I realize this is anecdotal, but my children did just fine with formula. No obesity, no extra ear infections, etc. And they grew like weeds. So I am NOT learning that what I did was a mistake. And they also slept on their tummies-horrors!

As an aside, my mother-in-law used to make a special bottle of coke-milk; of course she was a southerner!

2L8 on June 18, 2013 at 3:50 PM

In poor 3rd world countries pushing formula on newborns is certainly a mistake.

Don’t think it makes much difference in wealthy nations.

Pablo Honey on June 18, 2013 at 3:57 PM

War on Wymanz!!!

trs on June 18, 2013 at 3:57 PM

SO what happens when the female can not produce enough milk so to say to feed a rather hungry kid?

Add into the fact that you can not plop out the package right there in the middle of the store. I am all for breast feeding… think its healthy, but that is something that should be done somewhat private… unless you wanna look like some other 3rd world countries where you see pictures of the moms with a kid latched onto it .

watertown on June 18, 2013 at 3:17 PM

There is a way to discretely breastfeed in public without wearing a hooter hider or a great big blanket or hiding in the bathroom. Lots of times, people just thought I was holding my baby and didn’t know any differently.

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Also, do hospitals give Aspirin away without noting on a chart what it was for? Then why should they give formula away without noting it?

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 4:00 PM

SO what happens when the female can not produce enough milk so to say to feed a rather hungry kid?

Exactly. But I suppose for some people they’d rather have the kids die than give up their ideas of “Oh, you’re just not trying hard enough” or (in this country) “See a lactation consultant – she can ‘fix’ everything”.

Katja on June 18, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Not all mothers can breast feed. My wife can’t.

p.s. Kids turned out fine on formula

JeremiahJohnson on June 18, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Why can’t she?

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 4:01 PM

This isn’t even mentioning kids who are adopted or who have developmental reasons that they cannot nurse.

Katja on June 18, 2013 at 4:02 PM

In poor 3rd world countries pushing formula on newborns is certainly a mistake.

Don’t think it makes much difference in wealthy nations.

Pablo Honey on June 18, 2013 at 3:57 PM

??????????????????

WTH difference does socio-economics have to do with whether babies will be OK on formula or not?

Bitter Clinger on June 18, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Also, do hospitals give Aspirin away without noting on a chart what it was for? Then why should they give formula away without noting it?

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Hmmm. Let’s see: Aspirin is medicine, formula is food.

Bitter Clinger on June 18, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Because if you are poor you might be tempted to water it down to stretch it out. It happens.

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 4:07 PM

??????????????????

WTH difference does socio-economics have to do with whether babies will be OK on formula or not?

Bitter Clinger

I may be jumping to conclusions, but I think the idea was that back in the day, there was a push in 3rd world countries to get babies to have formula. What happened was that a lot of kids got sick and died because of the lack of access to clean drinking water and formula being diluted to stretch the supply. This type of thing hasn’t been a problem in richer countries.

Katja on June 18, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Hmmm. Let’s see: Aspirin is medicine, formula is food.

Bitter Clinger on June 18, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Fine. Do they just give you free samples of jello, peanut butter sandwiches and ice cream pies?

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Fine. Do they just give you free samples of jello, peanut butter sandwiches and ice cream pies?

At the grocery store or Costco, they certainly do. But maybe Nanny Bloomberg will do away with that as well.

Katja on June 18, 2013 at 4:10 PM

“Baby #3 was hungry and crying, mother has triplets.”

htom on June 18, 2013 at 4:12 PM

At the grocery store or Costco, they certainly do. But maybe Nanny Bloomberg will do away with that as well.

Katja on June 18, 2013 at 4:10 PM

The article mentioned the voluntary program to not give away formula swag in the hospital…not in the grocery store.

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Katja on June 18, 2013 at 4:08 PM

OK, that makes some sense.

Bitter Clinger on June 18, 2013 at 4:13 PM

On a baby site I follow someone claiming to be from Venzuala said they are doing this so they don’t have to provide formula for low income families.

earlgrey133 on June 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM

I may be jumping to conclusions, but I think the idea was that back in the day, there was a push in 3rd world countries to get babies to have formula. What happened was that a lot of kids got sick and died because of the lack of access to clean drinking water and formula being diluted to stretch the supply. This type of thing hasn’t been a problem in richer countries.

Katja on June 18, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Yes, that is the idea.

Pablo Honey on June 18, 2013 at 4:16 PM

On a baby site I follow someone claiming to be from Venzuala said they are doing this so they don’t have to provide formula for low income families.

earlgrey133 on June 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Then why don’t they just not provide formula for low income families? No need to ban anything.

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Fine. Do they just give you free samples of jello, peanut butter sandwiches and ice cream pies?

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 4:09 PM

They could if they wanted to.

You seem to have a real issue with kids being on formula. My son did fine on it. The whole issue is choice. Something Bloomberg thinks is his alone.

Bitter Clinger on June 18, 2013 at 4:16 PM

The article mentioned the voluntary program to not give away formula swag in the hospital…not in the grocery store.

So the hospitals that do congratulatory dinners for the new parents ought to stop doing that as well? After all, the father might enjoy something he ate there?

Katja on June 18, 2013 at 4:18 PM

You seem to have a real issue with kids being on formula. My son did fine on it. The whole issue is choice. Something Bloomberg thinks is his alone.

Bitter Clinger on June 18, 2013 at 4:16 PM

The tone of this article is strident against breastfeeding. Just reacting to that.

I don’t care if your kids were on formula. Although I do find it odd that no one says “My son did just fine on breastmilk.” I don’t think it should be provided for by WIC, though. If you (general you) want to feed formula, buy it yourself.

I also don’t think hospitals should be able to give your baby formula unless they specifically ask you if they can. This has been a problem where hospitals give formula to babies in the nursery without the mother’s knowledge.

The program in New York IS voluntary. Hospitals don’t have to sign up for it.

The health benefits of breastfeeding are staggering. But the government shouldn’t force anyone to do it.

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 4:21 PM

If Venezuela can’t get enough toilet paper to go around, I wonder if this ban has more to do with the cost of formula more than public health. The stuff isn’t cheap. It’s probably cheaper to provide the mother with just enough food to lactate.

EricW on June 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Go to any supermarket … they lock up the baby formula (along with the tobbacco)
There is lots of money involved

J_Crater on June 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

So the hospitals that do congratulatory dinners for the new parents ought to stop doing that as well? After all, the father might enjoy something he ate there?

Katja on June 18, 2013 at 4:18 PM

I guess it depends. Will the act of giving dinners to the parents cause them to forget how to cook?

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I guess it depends. Will the act of giving dinners to the parents cause them to forget how to cook?

So let’s close down all restaurants! Especially fast food ones!

Katja on June 18, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Fast food restaurants cause people to forget how to cook?

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Fast food restaurants cause people to forget how to cook?

Using your logic, apparently. Or they cause children to grow up in households where no one cooks so they never learn how to.

Katja on June 18, 2013 at 4:32 PM

That is exactly the opposite of what I am saying. I don’t find it a burden for a mom to ask for formula instead of the hospital handing it out like candy. I think hospitals should keep track of what they gave a baby, like they keep track of medicines and your food while you are a patient (I assume they keep track of what they serve you while you are in the hospital).

Getting a baby on formula before leaving the hospital is distinctly different than offering a congratulatory meal to the parents. Giving the meal won’t cause long term effects, while getting the baby on formula WILL have long term effects, the most immediate and obvious is that they won’t be breastfed.

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Link to comment from someone claiming to be from Venezuala. Read Natalia’s comment.

http://blogs.babycenter.com/mom_stories/0618201can-venezuela-ban-bottle-feeding/#comments

earlgrey133 on June 18, 2013 at 4:46 PM

SO what happens when the female can not produce enough milk so to say to feed a rather hungry kid?

The babvies will be immediately ripped from their mothers arms and iunto a govt child rearing institution. The mother will be declared unfit. This will be done in the “best interests of society” because only the govt can guarantee rearing a best citizen of the country.

This is part of Hillary’s utopia.

Lothar on June 18, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Maybe if they don’t have toilet paper, as well as banning baby bottles in maternity wards, they’ll ban diapers.

Sure smells like a wonderful country down there, Hugo!

Steve Z on June 18, 2013 at 5:27 PM

“Baby #3 was hungry and crying, mother has triplets.”

htom on June 18, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Thread winner!!!

If Baby #3 can’t get a booby prize, can he/she get a bottle of formula?

Steve Z on June 18, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Hmmm, I sense an opportunity here. A new job market opens up for surrogate breast feeders, hourly/daily/weekly rates, on call , walk-ins, by appointment and with frequent feeder discounts available. Also, exclusive and reasonable contracts for up to three years.

hawkeye54 on June 18, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Wet-nurses were the norm for wealthy or aristocratic mothers for hundreds of years. Of course, given the norms for cleanliness etc., lots of those kids died.

AesopFan on June 18, 2013 at 6:46 PM

WTH difference does socio-economics have to do with whether babies will be OK on formula or not?

Bitter Clinger on June 18, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Read about this some years ago – mothers would often not mix the formula correctly, there were formula-intolerant infants (usually a genetic factor like lactose-intolerance), the water wasn’t safe to use, no refrigeration for left-overs, etc. Lots of those kids died.

AesopFan on June 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM

This type of thing hasn’t been a problem in richer countries.

Katja on June 18, 2013 at 4:08 PM

However, a few years back, there was quite a brouhaha over formula that was actually nutritionally insufficient, and (IIRC) tainted formula from some sources.

FWIW, our family mixed natural and artificial feeding, depending on medical circumstances and convenience. Sure is nice to let Dad take care of a few of those 2 am feedings.

AesopFan on June 18, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Wet-nurses were the norm for wealthy or aristocratic mothers for hundreds of years. Of course, given the norms for cleanliness etc., lots of those kids died.

Given what we already know about the Left, I don’t think they’d see that as a deal breaker.

Yup. Wet-nurses could be the future in a world without baby bottles!

hawkeye54 on June 18, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Fast food restaurants cause people to forget how to cook?

A whole lotta people have never learned to cook in the first place.

hawkeye54 on June 18, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Add into the fact that you can not plop out the package right there in the middle of the store….

watertown on June 18, 2013 at 3:17 PM

You forget what the Rats passed when they had full control of Wisconsin. Wymyn can plop out the package right there in the middle of the store.

Steve Eggleston on June 18, 2013 at 7:34 PM

SO what happens when the female can not produce enough milk so to say to feed a rather hungry kid?

watertown on June 18, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Give ‘em a breast milk lollipop.

James on June 18, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Of course, it’s not like liberals slavers ever consider consequences when they make regulations up on the fly.

kirkill on June 18, 2013 at 3:30 PM

FIFY

chemman on June 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Wet-nurses were the norm for wealthy or aristocratic mothers for hundreds of years. Of course, given the norms for cleanliness etc., lots of those kids died.

AesopFan on June 18, 2013 at 6:46 PM

While true it is a sanitation issue not a wet-nurse issue.

chemman on June 18, 2013 at 9:18 PM

FWIW, our family mixed natural and artificial feeding, depending on medical circumstances and convenience. Sure is nice to let Dad take care of a few of those 2 am feedings.

AesopFan on June 18, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Eh. After a few months, my son could help himself without even waking me up.

cptacek on June 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Not that it really matters but the male mammary glands work just as well as the female’s.

Slowburn on June 18, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Not that it really matters but the male mammary glands work just as well as the female’s.

Slowburn on June 18, 2013 at 11:43 PM

No that this matters either, but ancient Irish warriors would offer their nipples for strangers to suck as a sign of friendship/ truce.

I expect that was because they too did not approve of baby bottles.

virgo on June 19, 2013 at 1:39 AM

So…how far does this ban go?

Does it apply to young children and adults? If so, is there a certain age where people are allowed to drink milk from the grocery store?

This could simultaneously get interesting and absurd.

landlines on June 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM