CNN polls shows 10-point jump in belief WH ordered IRS targeting of conservatives

posted at 8:51 am on June 18, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

There’s nothing more significant than sheer dot-connecting here, as there has not yet been any explicit revelations of White House involvement.  Still, that’s still politically significant, as the change in the CNN poll series today shows trust eroding rapidly in the Obama White House:

A growing number of Americans believe that senior White House officials ordered the Internal Revenue Service to target conservative political groups, according to a new national poll.

And a CNN/ORC International survey released Tuesday morning also indicates that a majority of the public says the controversy, which involves increased IRS scrutiny of tea party and other conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, is very important to the nation. …

Last month only 37% of the public thought that the IRS controversy led to the White House, with 55% saying that agency officials acted on their own without direct orders from Washington. Now the number who say the White House directed that IRS program has increased 10 points, to 47%, virtually the same as the 49% who believe the IRS agents acted on their own.

The change comes in a particularly bad demographic for Barack Obama’s administration:

“Younger Americans are much less likely than older Americans to believe in White House involvement, and there is, not surprisingly, a partisan divide as well,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. “But the Obama administration may be losing independents on this matter. In May, only 36% felt the White House ordered the IRS to target conservative groups; now that number has crossed the 50% threshold.”‘

The only reason that the overall number is still below a 50% majority is because of Democratic resistance to the IRS scandal.  As a group, they’re much less likely to stop trusting a Democratic White House — even with the Scandalabra that’s taking place at the moment.  With a majority of independents assuming that the IRS took orders from the White House, that gives the House and Senate plenty of momentum to press the investigation.

The only bright spot, and it’s not much, is that the overall import of the scandal dropped slightly, from 55% a month ago to 51% today. That’s basically a margin-of-error change, and it doesn’t add up to the overall and significant increase in mistrust in the White House. As CNN points out, though, that’s likely attributable to the addition of the NSA controversies rather than a reduction in outrage.

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Like I’ve said all along this needs to be treated like a RICO case, but instead of following the money, follow the ideology.

This stinking trail leads all the way to the WH, possibly stopping at Val, maybe all the way to her sock puppet, the POSPOTUS hisself.

SteveInRTP on June 18, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Isn’t that pathetic? Partisan Democrats would rather have a lying thug Gov’t than admit that their boy king is an embarrassment.

BettyRuth on June 18, 2013 at 8:55 AM

More and more leading to the belief the election of 2012 was stolen….

hillsoftx on June 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Ruh roh. Not good for Dear Leader. Let’s distract with a war in Syria or somewhere.

petefrt on June 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Like I’ve said all along this needs to be treated like a RICO case, but instead of following the money, follow the ideology.

This stinking trail leads all the way to the WH, possibly stopping at Val, maybe all the way to her sock puppet, the POSPOTUS hisself.

SteveInRTP on June 18, 2013 at 8:54 AM

The whole Obama Presidency is one huge RICO case.

they lie on June 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

It’s not just that it leads to the White House, it’s that it was a coordinated effort with the Democrats to retake the House and keep the Senate and the Presidency. How else do you explain those different Democrats calling on the IRS to go after the tea party, the President and Vice-President constantly trashing them and calling them racists? It most certainly was coordinated, but I’m sure the press will just say it was a coincidence.

bflat879 on June 18, 2013 at 8:57 AM

With a majority of independents assuming that the IRS took orders from the White House, that gives the House and Senate plenty of momentum to press the investigation.

Sad sentence, but true. These cowards won’t do anything if the poll numbers don’t add up.

dirtseller on June 18, 2013 at 8:58 AM

Ruh roh. Not good for Dear Leader. Let’s distract with a war in Syria or somewhere.
petefrt on June 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

He’s going to try, but it’s a hard sell for Mr. Nobel Peace Prize.

txhsmom on June 18, 2013 at 8:59 AM

More and more leading to the belief the election of 2012 was stolen….

hillsoftx on June 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

It wasn’t stolen. It was given. Republicans got on the court, expecting a collegial game, and got elbowed, gang-tackled, and personal fouls flew. Rather than respond in kind, they pouted about how that’s not how you play the game.

What’s more, the Democrats had too many players on the court the entire game and the Republicans are working overtime to continue to give them that advantage.

It was given, and will continue to be. It wasn’t stolen.

beatcanvas on June 18, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Jay Leno could have something to do with those numbers.

brewcrew67 on June 18, 2013 at 9:00 AM

A ten point jump?

Only 10 points?

They stupid?

Sleeping?

Stoned?

coldwarrior on June 18, 2013 at 9:01 AM

“Punish our enemies” is obamas way of life, why wouldn’t this all go back to him.

tim c on June 18, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Anyone who doesn’t think this originated from the White House is a moron. Or an Obama sycophant. Which are one and the same anyway.

Think about this logically. It’s obviously not official IRS policy to target conservative, Christian, and pro-Israel groups and individuals this way. And even though most IRS agents and directors probably share Obama’s political and world view, it’s highly doubtful any of them would’ve independently harassed anyone given that they could face penalties of a fine, firing, and/or even prison if they were caught.

So that leaves only one possibility. They were ordered to do so by someone very high up. Could it be an IRS director or manager? Possibly, but again I don’t see a weasel like Lois Lerner or Doug Shulman putting their own ass on the line just to offer a helping hand to Obama and the Democrat Party. No, the only way this would happen is if the people at the IRS believed they would be protected from any repercussions should these actions ever be brought to light. And the only ones who could possibly make them feel that secure would be folks with direct access to Obama(if not Obama himself).

Doughboy on June 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

BettyRuth,

That’s because one of the core traits of a liberal is that they believe they are never wrong. They cannot admit that they bought BHO’s song and dance – hook, line, and sinker. Deep down they know they made a serious mistake, but their pride won’t let them admit it.

This is a serious character flaw exhibited by all liberals, right up to BHO. He’s the “smartest president evah”, just ask him. He cannot admit the he’s not and has no idea how to govern. His sole goal is to “fundementally transform America”, and, in that, he’s doing a pretty good job. But he isn’t a leader, he doesn’t govern, and his IQ has not been verified as he refuses to release any academic records. Why do you suppose that is?

GAlpha10 on June 18, 2013 at 9:06 AM

As someone pointed out – the best way for Obama to clear all of this up would be to come clean on everything and tell all.

Laying it all out how his calls for the punishing of enemies and the WH visits by IRS minions, etc. were all just innocent coincidences…

That way, IF he’s innocent it will all go away….

IF HE’S INNOCENT THAT IS…..

Galt2009 on June 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Doughboy on June 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Consider that it wasn’t just the IRS that was doing this – the FBI, ATF and OSHA were in on the act – and we’re supposed to believe that these are all innocent coincidences that could have possibly originated from the Dear Liar?

Galt2009 on June 18, 2013 at 9:11 AM

There’s nothing more significant than sheer dot-connecting here, as there has not yet been any explicit revelations of White House involvement,

In Republican administrations, the president is responsible for everything. When a dog at Abu Ghraib bit a prisoner, President George W. Bush was there to give the dog a doggie treat and pat him on the head. ‘Captain of the Ship’ and all that rot.

In a democratic administration, the president is responsible for NOTHING. Poor Barky is just being swept along by events, a victim of the magnitude of the job of being president.

slickwillie2001 on June 18, 2013 at 9:11 AM

More and more leading to the belief the election of 2012 was stolen….

hillsoftx on June 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

It was in 2008 in Indiana. Go have a quick look at fox news:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/17/indiana-dem-official-sentenced-to-prison-for-08-ballot-fraud-in-obama-clinton/

Johnnyreb on June 18, 2013 at 9:11 AM

There may be a ten point jump in belief the IRS is corrupt and biased, but do people really care? Many liberals out there, including our trolls, are perfectly happy to have Conservative and pro-Israel groups the targets of deep and illegal scrutiny. The Tea Party, some in the LSM have said, shouldn’t be ‘allowed’ all that money they’re getting in donations.

I pay little attention to polls, but Democrats do. I’m sure we’ll soon be hearing about the ‘increasing racism across America’ over this in the LSM, though they won’t cite specifically the poll’s findings or that they’re using them to make their case. It’s simply be ‘America returning to its old racist mentality that caused slavery’ or something like that.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Like I’ve said all along this needs to be treated like a RICO case, but instead of following the money, follow the ideology.

This stinking trail leads all the way to the WH, possibly stopping at Val, maybe all the way to her sock puppet, the POSPOTUS hisself.

SteveInRTP on June 18, 2013 at 8:54 AM

We’ve been told how innocuous phone records are, just ‘metadata’ you know. It’s really the property of the phone company too.

In that case there should be no harm in seeing the ‘metadata’ on phone records between Lois Lerner and the other corrupt apparatchiks in the IRS, and the White House.

slickwillie2001 on June 18, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Breaking into Atkisson’s computers should do wonders for his numbers.

forest on June 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Well, when you have the IRS officials still out there denying that they targeted conservative groups, what do you expect. Not one liberal group has complained about intrusive questions. Liberal groups did not have their donor list (complete with IRS internal tracking numbers) leaked to political allies of the rat-eared despot. Liberal groups were fast-tracked without exception.

And Lois Lerner is still on paid vacation with full access to her IRS computer files.

IMO, we will never see justice to any of the scandals. There are just too many people willing to lie and cover-up for the bastard. Look at Generals Clapper and Alexander. At one point they were honorable military officers who served their nation well. They have turned into despicable and dishonorable lying weasels.

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Constant lying, convenient forgetfulness and claims of searing stupidity by highly educated and accomplished people will have that effect.

What shocks me is that about half of the country is stupid enough to believe that the most politically partisan President in history had nothing to do with the most politically partisan attack in history.

I mean c’mon, Obama had to know of this “from the news” earlier due just to Tea Partiers complaining about it. So in the hundreds of visits with top IRS officials it never occurred to Obama to ask, “Hey, what’s this I hear about targeting the Tea Party?”

mitchellvii on June 18, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Two words…Stephanie cutter

She admitted talking to IRS commissioner for cripe sakes…..

cmsinaz on June 18, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Doughboy,

I’d put my money on Colleen Kelley, the president of the union representing IRS employees. The NTEU is very anti-Tea Party and Kelley met with BHO the day before the additional scrutiny began. Coincidence? I think not. She probably put the word out through union channels that she had met with BHO and he wanted to ensure Tea Party 501(c)(3) applications were “carefully reviewed” (wink, wink). Unfortunately, this was all done by word of mouth, so there is probably no “smoking gun” email or memo directing the illegal scrutiny.

GAlpha10 on June 18, 2013 at 9:20 AM

What I’m wondering is, for those who believe the WH is not involved is it because they think that no one in the administration would do something so egregious, or that the acts themselves aren’t really concerning?

BKeyser on June 18, 2013 at 9:20 AM

it never occurred to Obama to ask, “Hey, what’s this I hear about targeting the Tea Party?”

mitchellvii on June 18, 2013 at 9:17 AM

IRS: “Uh, yes, sir. We are.”

Obama: “Good job! But since I heard about it on the news and it can’t be known I know about it, you need to CYA a lot better.”

IRS: “Yes, sir!”

~loud giggling in the room~

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 9:22 AM

and we’re supposed to believe that these are all innocent coincidences that could have possibly originated from the Dear Liar?

Galt2009 on June 18, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Watch it there Galt, you’re sounding pretty racist this morning. You doubt dear leader? ;0

Seriously, and I’ve been saying it for weeks now. The OFA database was credited with being able to target down to the street where team rat-ears should be targeting their efforts. We were told that it was created by grassroots activists out there on the ground. I’m convinced that they really extracted that information from NSA snooping and not the efforts of Lesbians for Obama and other activist groups ratting out their neighbor for the filthy bastard in the White House.

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2013 at 9:22 AM

There may be a ten point jump in belief the IRS is corrupt and biased, but do people really care? Many liberals out there, including our trolls, are perfectly happy to have Conservative and pro-Israel groups the targets of deep and illegal scrutiny. The Tea Party, some in the LSM have said, shouldn’t be ‘allowed’ all that money they’re getting in donations.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Of course they’re ok with it since the ends always justify the means. But the IRS cannot be targeting the political opponents of the Democrat Party like this, and the libs know it. And the problem now that it’s been exposed is that this scandal will forever follow the IRS around. Anytime from this point forward when someone who donated to right-wing groups or politicians is audited or a conservative organization applying for tax-exempt status is stonewalled or harassed, it will be regarded with suspicion.

This doesn’t just go away by downplaying or ignoring it. And suspending one or two people(with pay) ain’t gonna cut it either. So the left has a huge mess on their hands. How to they truly reform the IRS without sacrificing key players in the process?

Doughboy on June 18, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Two words…Stephanie cutter

She admitted talking to IRS commissioner for cripe sakes…..

cmsinaz on June 18, 2013 at 9:18 AM

And if Cutter was handling it, they meant business. She’s the most psychopathic of the whole Family. Joe Pesci will play her in the movie.

forest on June 18, 2013 at 9:23 AM

This IRS disclosure really needed to happen last year. I hope Barky gets nailed to the wall over this, but this is all happening a little too late. Now we’re stuck with this idiot until 2016 instead of having a chance to fight this fight during an election year. Oh well. Better late than never, I guess.

joejm65 on June 18, 2013 at 9:23 AM

No special prosecutor while holder is still there… go the way of fast and furious

cmsinaz on June 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Jay Leno could have something to do with those numbers.

brewcrew67 on June 18, 2013 at 9:00 AM

I agree. Sad to say, but if we had decent late night comics, Obama would be drowning without hope of rescue by now. Nothing kills like ridicule.

BuckeyeSam on June 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Common Sense vs. The 47%

mjbrooks3 on June 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Lapdogs are failing The Won.

socalcon on June 18, 2013 at 9:26 AM

I’d put my money on Colleen Kelley, the president of the union representing IRS employees. The NTEU is very anti-Tea Party and Kelley met with BHO the day before the additional scrutiny began. Coincidence? I think not.

GAlpha10 on June 18, 2013 at 9:20 AM

She clearly got her marching orders as did allys at EPA, OSHA, and the NSA. Nothing in writing. Nothing directive in nature but Kelley and the others had no doubts as to what they needed to do. It took continued complaints to Congress for any sort of oversight to occur, the report was squelched as long as possible, and on the eve of its release Lerner took that planted question in an attempt to difuse the situation by making it appear that the IRS had already identified the problem with a few rogue GS-12s in Cincinnati. It blew up in their face but, still, there is nothing in the way of proof to tie this scandal to the rat-eared bastard.

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Okay, so who believes this:

A clue as to whether the targeting by the IRS of Tea Party and other conservative groups was discussed at the 157 meetings that former IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman had at the White House may be found in remarks by Stephanie Cutter, deputy manager for President Obama’s 2012 reelection campaign, in a recent appearance on Jake Tapper’s show “The Lead” on CNN.

As reported by Gateway Pundit, Cutter attempted to dismiss charges they were political meetings but admitted she had attended meetings with Shulman at the White House. “I was in them with him,” Cutter said. “So there was nothing nefarious going on.”

This is the woman who pushed the “Romney killed my wife” b*llsh*t and claimed she didn’t know anything about it until the taped conference call of her came out.

Yeah. Nothing nefarious my @ss.

tru2tx on June 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM

What I’m wondering is, for those who believe the WH is not involved is it because they think that no one in the administration would do something so egregious, or that the acts themselves aren’t really concerning?

BKeyser on June 18, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Silently, the 52% that voted for him are cheering his admin’s actions, whether criminal or not—principles and Constitutional rights be damned.

Rovin on June 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Jay Leno could have something to do with those numbers.

brewcrew67 on June 18, 2013 at 9:00 AM

I hadn’t thought about that, but he’s been really going after Obama the last few months. Those late night monologues do impact public opinion as much it pains me to admit it.

Doughboy on June 18, 2013 at 9:28 AM

cmsinaz on June 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Trey Goudy was on Bill O last night talking about the limits that congress can do without a special prosecutor.

http://therightscoop.com/trey-gowdy-on-billo-show-talks-about-what-it-will-take-to-get-to-the-bottom-of-the-irs-scandal/

esr1951 on June 18, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Don’t bother Scooter. He’s packing for his KA Vay-cay to the land of his bir…err…ancestors. Unfortunately, he’s coming back.

kingsjester on June 18, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Breaking into Atkisson’s computers should do wonders for his numbers.

forest on June 18, 2013 at 9:15 AM

If nothing else, it’s going to force more people at CBS news and possibly elsewhere in the big media to however reluctantly, come to the conclusion that they’re not part of the special class, and that the administration has no more qualms about specifically invading their privacy than they do the Tea Party and other conservative groups (and if Attkisson’s computer was targeted, you’d assume CBS through the techs a few more $$$ to check everyone else’s computer for hacking as well).

Leno’s doing jokes about it now and AP is mad, but the more and more others in the big media get angry about being treated like the Tea Party — even if in their hearts they still think the Tea Party deserved it — the less and less favorable coverage this White House is going to get, and the more all but the hardest of hard-core supporters are going to start dropping away from Obama.

jon1979 on June 18, 2013 at 9:29 AM

This is the woman who pushed the “Romney killed my wife” b*llsh*t and claimed she didn’t know anything about it until the taped conference call of her came out.

Yeah. Nothing nefarious my @ss.

tru2tx on June 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM

Um…. Stephanie Cutter was part of the political campaign. Schulman was a public official and part of the administration. The two even attending the same meeting is nefarious. Why would the Obama campaign have need to attend a meeting with the IRS Commissioner and vice versa?

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2013 at 9:31 AM

jon1979 on June 18, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Maybe I’m too cynical, but I think that no matter how hard or often the Administration smacks the snouts of Obama’s lapdogs, they’ll still come back to lick his hand.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 9:37 AM

And nothing will be done about this. The electorate is the problem. They’re still in love with Obama and the Dems. We’re doomed.

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 9:37 AM

More and more leading to the belief the election of 2012 was stolen….

hillsoftx on June 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

It was stolen. Remember how smug Zero looked last summer and early fall?

IRS Attacks on TEA Party Organizations…. Check
IRS Targeted leaks of Romney financial data … check
IRS leaks of Romney donor data…. check
Romney Campaign computers being hacked (remember that?)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/257068/mitt_romney_email_and_dropbox_accounts_reportedly_hacked.html

and there’s the NSA with access to every Romney campaign communication, email, text message, phone call and web search.

DoJ working its hardest to stop voter ID laws, which as it turned out didn’t disenfranchise anyone.

And voter fraud, like that poll worker in Ohio who voted for Zero six times. (That they can prove)

Of course, she’s the onlyyyyyy onnnneee…

dogsoldier on June 18, 2013 at 9:39 AM

jon1979 on June 18, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Obama could go door to door enacting the “King’s privilege” on all new brides of every reporter in the MSM. Not only would there be no protest, the reporters would be honored.

The sickness of liberalism is deep. We’re in huge trouble because the electorate has awoken and this is what they want.

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM

and we’re supposed to believe that these are all innocent coincidences that could have possibly originated from the Dear Liar?

Galt2009 on June 18, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2013 at 9:22 AM

One thing you have to consider is that Democratic National Socialists have a tendency to leak out an initial story that gets headlined every where and then later on they let out other details when the furor dies down.

Recall the FBI files story in the Clinton regime – at first is was only a few files than the numbers grew later on.

IT the case of the Obama police state story, the oppression is becoming more widespread.

Did any one see this article from a couple days ago:

NSA spying flap extends to contents of U.S. phone calls
National Security Agency discloses in secret Capitol Hill briefing that thousands of analysts can listen to domestic phone calls. That authorization appears to extend to e-mail and text messages too.(CNET)

The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls, a participant said.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed on Thursday that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed “simply based on an analyst deciding that.”

If the NSA wants “to listen to the phone,” an analyst’s decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. “I was rather startled,” said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee.

Galt2009 on June 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Forest.. heh

cmsinaz on June 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM

It doesn’t matter. The only way this will ever get pinned on the POtuS is if two or more people finger him in order to save their own skins.

The Rogue Tomato on June 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM

And nothing will be done about this. The electorate is the problem. They’re still in love with Obama and the Dems. We’re doomed.

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Worse, and likely a major cause, is there’s no real opposition from the Republicans, there is no longer any strong advocacy for our side. The Pub elites are on the same side as the Dems, effectively forming a coalition. The mere handful that say they’re with us either fall over their own feet trying to accommodate the Dems (Rubio), or are mocked daily and often in the LSM (Cruz).

Even the likes of Rush have gone soft and are willing to accept the status quo with token lip-service.

Yup — we’re screwed. I won’t say ‘doomed’ just yet. We still have an Ace in the hole, the last attempt to steal it going down in flames in the Senate.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM

So there was a jump in the poll by 10%… Did they bother to ask if this IRS scandal bothered those polled?

My guess is the 10% jump is Dems that take pride in the WH targeting conservatives with the IRS.

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM

My hope is that the GOP continues to investigate the many scandals (F&F, Benghazi, IRS #1, ISR #2, EPA, HHS, DoJ, NSA, and those yet to be revealed) right up to the 2014 elections. Poison the waters for democrats so much that every democrat politician carries the weight of the Obama scandals around their neck. Then strengthen the hold on the House and retake the Senate. Only then, impeach and remove BHO from office. I really don’t care if “Plugs” becomes president. With all the scandals hanging over the administration and GOP control of the House and Senate, he wouldn’t be able to do anything. Plus, we would have the bonus of getting to laugh at everything he says.

GAlpha10 on June 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM

I saw that too esr….. frickin infuriating

cmsinaz on June 18, 2013 at 9:47 AM

More and more leading to the belief the election of 2012 was stolen….

hillsoftx on June 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

It was stolen. Remember how smug Zero looked last summer and early fall?

IRS Attacks on TEA Party Organizations…. Check
IRS Targeted leaks of Romney financial data … check
IRS leaks of Romney donor data…. check
Romney Campaign computers being hacked (remember that?)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/257068/mitt_romney_email_and_dropbox_accounts_reportedly_hacked.html

and there’s the NSA with access to every Romney campaign communication, email, text message, phone call and web search.

DoJ working its hardest to stop voter ID laws, which as it turned out didn’t disenfranchise anyone.

And voter fraud, like that poll worker in Ohio who voted for Zero six times. (That they can prove)

Of course, she’s the onlyyyyyy onnnneee…

dogsoldier on June 18, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Does anyone seriously think that the details of the IRS Obamascandal coming out BEFORE last November won’t of sent the Dear Liar’s chances down the dumper?

And that’s just one of the scandals we’re contenting with now – one that was known ahead of time, but was “Conveniently” delayed for the strangest reasons…..

If we known about all of the other Obamascandals the Dear Liar wouldn’t had a snowball’s chance – not to mention the simple fact that he turned on a dime on the self-defense issue after Newtown… but that’s a whole other story.

Galt2009 on June 18, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Younger Americans are much less likely than older Americans to believe in White House involvement,

Another sign that our future is already lost.

Physics Geek on June 18, 2013 at 9:50 AM

My aunt recently retired from the IRS as an auditor/auditor trainer. FWIW, I get the sense that she is politically independent. She also is an incredibly wonderful person regardless of what her politics may be. Anyway, she recently told me she believed it was Pres Obama. Of course, that’s what I believe too, but it was interesting to hear her say it.

MinnesotaSlinger on June 18, 2013 at 9:53 AM

How can a government that knows what I’m typing right now as I type this NOT know about its own IRS agents’ behavior?

bobcalco on June 18, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM

The American experiment was not designed to withstand the vast swaths of idiots voting. In 1800, something like 1% of the population voted. I’d imagine that if 60% of the population (including women) were voting then, they wouldn’t have candidates Jefferson and Adams to choose between.

We’ll sometimes get lucky with our present-day candidates, but most of the foolishness stems from the electorate.

It was an interesting experiment, but I’m afraid America will require substantial structural changes in order to last longer than a few centuries.

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 9:55 AM

My aunt recently retired from the IRS as an auditor/auditor trainer. FWIW, I get the sense that she is politically independent. She also is an incredibly wonderful person regardless of what her politics may be. Anyway, she recently told me she believed it was Pres Obama. Of course, that’s what I believe too, but it was interesting to hear her say it.

MinnesotaSlinger on June 18, 2013 at 9:53 AM

She’s obviously a racist who benefitted from government money.

Love,
The Left

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 9:58 AM

GAlpha10 on June 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM

You think that Obama voters are bothered by these scandals? Why?

To the Dems, all this stuff is a feature not a bug.

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 9:59 AM

bobcalco,

They knew. But they have to claim ignorance to have any chance of defending themselves against criminal charges.

When you connect the dots: Meetings with the anti-Tea Party NTEU president, IRS Commissioner, and Stephanie Cutter, Occam’s razor would hold that this was a “conspiracy” to guarantee BHO’s re-election. And it worked.

GAlpha10 on June 18, 2013 at 10:02 AM

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 9:55 AM

This is what happens when liberty is allowed to become license. Liberals want felons sitting in prison to be able to vote. They want non-citizens to be able to vote.

Liberals fight every effort to keep elections as honest as possible, for it to be a right enjoyed only by American citizens.

If anyone is being ‘disenfranchised’ in this country, it’s honest Americans who have a vested and patriotic interest in the good of the country — no matter their political lean.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 10:04 AM

My aunt recently retired from the IRS as an auditor/auditor trainer. FWIW, I get the sense that she is politically independent. She also is an incredibly wonderful person regardless of what her politics may be. Anyway, she recently told me she believed it was Pres Obama. Of course, that’s what I believe too, but it was interesting to hear her say it.

MinnesotaSlinger on June 18, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Many SS agents were “wonderful family men” also. So are Imams and Pol Pot. As long as you do whatever they want you are fine.

acyl72 on June 18, 2013 at 10:10 AM

happytobehere,

I think some of them are, deep down. But for the “parasites”, they aren’t following the scandals and they don’t care. They only want their handouts.

I think many of them are now scared that the NSA, FBI, DoJ and others are reading their emails, listening in to their phone conversations, and they are expecting a knock on the door. And it won’t be the Fuller Brush salesman.

The ironic thing is that everything they accused President Bush of doing (but wasn’t) is being done by BHO. It’s really sad that liberals are so partisan that they ignore the abuses of a democrat president while attacking the efforts of a republican president to keep America safe. Where are the protests to close GITMO? Where are the protests to end our involvement in Afghanistan? Where are the protests to stop the drone strikes? There aren’t any. Why? There’s a democrat in the Oval Office.

Really sad, and pathetic.

GAlpha10 on June 18, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Maybe I’m too cynical, but I think that no matter how hard or often the Administration smacks the snouts of Obama’s lapdogs, they’ll still come back to lick his hand.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Obama could go door to door enacting the “King’s privilege” on all new brides of every reporter in the MSM. Not only would there be no protest, the reporters would be honored.

The sickness of liberalism is deep. We’re in huge trouble because the electorate has awoken and this is what they want.

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Up to a point — Give them a good left-vs.-right battle as with immigration and they’ll toe the party line, or if this was an election year. But part of the media’s love for Obama was based on the “We’re ion this together” mindset. It was the media and Barack against the Tea Party and others on the right. Finding out that he only sees you as yesterday’s one-night stand is very bruising to the ego and result in a surge of anger and serious reporting on this White House, even if it’s only done on the ‘spurned lover’ level, as with the current AP coverage.

I would say that judging by some of the news outlets and their reactions, for those people it will take a direct indication that the administration has personally spied on them or on their newspaper or broadcast news division to get them angry — i.e., The folks at CNN or ABC can still think “Well, Obama may not love CBS, but he still loves us.” (NBC, in contrast, could be metaphorically be raped, beaten and thrown in a storm sewer by this administration, and they’d crawl back to the house by morning and apologize to the head guy for not being faithful enough).

jon1979 on June 18, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 10:04 AM

If you think it’s bad now, just wait till 2016 when a much larger number of votes are cast by smartphones. Roving dem operatives handing phones to the homeless etc. and helping them tap the Dem candidate. They won’t even have to bus people to the polling stations anymore!

It will get so much worse.

The rebuilding process after it all comes crashing down will be far more interesting. Let’s get on with it.

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Physics Geek, I wouldn’t be so pessimistic. With virtually every generation, young people are more liberal than older people. The GOP would have been doomed a long time ago if everybody maintained the ideology of their youth, but people generally do become more conservative as they age. On the matter of young people being more trusting of the WH’s insistence of innocence, I don’t think this reflects anything more than a relative lack of news watching and a predisposition to side with the president. But I think there’s trouble in paradise for Obama even with the young due to the NSA thing. So, cheer up. :) This president has got problems that I don’t think are going away, and providing arms to Sunni extremists won’t rescue him.

MinnesotaSlinger on June 18, 2013 at 10:15 AM

(NBC, in contrast, could be metaphorically be raped, beaten and thrown in a storm sewer by this administration, and they’d crawl back to the house by morning and apologize to the head guy for not being faithful enough).

jon1979 on June 18, 2013 at 10:12 AM

That was almost poetic! LOL

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 10:17 AM

If we known about all of the other Obamascandals the Dear Liar wouldn’t had a snowball’s chance – not to mention the simple fact that he turned on a dime on the self-defense issue after Newtown… but that’s a whole other story.

Galt2009 on June 18, 2013 at 9:49 AM

You are correct. If just Benghazi had been covered, he would have lost. The media BETRAYED THE COUNTRY. The political elites BETRAYED the country.

And Romney totally sucked as a candidate. The conservative base will not vote for a RINO. McAmnesty proved it, Scott brown proved it and Romney put the cap on it. Of course the GOP elites HATE that.

dogsoldier on June 18, 2013 at 10:21 AM

I think many of them are now scared that the NSA, FBI, DoJ and others are reading their emails, listening in to their phone conversations, and they are expecting a knock on the door. And it won’t be the Fuller Brush salesman.
The ironic thing is that everything they accused President Bush of doing (but wasn’t) is being done by BHO. It’s really sad that liberals are so partisan that they ignore the abuses of a democrat president while attacking the efforts of a republican president to keep America safe. Where are the protests to close GITMO? Where are the protests to end our involvement in Afghanistan? Where are the protests to stop the drone strikes? There aren’t any. Why? There’s a democrat in the Oval Office.
Really sad, and pathetic.
GAlpha10 on June 18, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Why would a Dem be worried about Dems reading his email? As long as the Dem swears allegiance to the Obama there won’t be a problem.

As for the pathetic dem voter: this is why Obama is so popular. He just wants more power, this is all the Dems want. Of course they don’t care about Guantanamo. But they love hurting political opponents. This is why they win. The conservatives/libertarians get all mad at our GOP candidates when they change after getting elected, this is why we lose.

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 10:23 AM

acly72, I think that’s totally the wrong attitude to have. Comparing IRS agents to Nazis and Pol Pot is just wrong. Even Lois Lerner should not be viewed that way. I think there’s truly awful corruption in our executive branch leadership, from Obama on down. And I don’t like the way things are set up systemically with the IRS even if this level of corruption wasn’t present. But viewing rank-and-file public employees as being evil is wrong, wrong, wrong. As conservatives, please, let’s avoid incendiary hyperbole.

MinnesotaSlinger on June 18, 2013 at 10:27 AM

More and more leading to the belief the election of 2012 was stolen….

hillsoftx on June 18, 2013 at 8:56 AM

I have been on the edge of my seat waiting for ‘one of us’ to say this. This is the first time I’ve seen it explicitly claimed since this Multigate emerged (maybe I don’t get out much). I think the delay is due to the realization of the extraordinary implications of this assertion – we don’t shoot from the hip.

(Oh, yea – almost forget: hillsoftx, you are correct. Now what?)

Tsar of Earth on June 18, 2013 at 10:29 AM

i don’t think hE had to order it…directly …the in your face culture is alive and well in Obama’s world.

CW on June 18, 2013 at 10:30 AM

acly72, I think that’s totally the wrong attitude to have. Comparing IRS agents to Nazis and Pol Pot is just wrong. Even Lois Lerner should not be viewed that way. I think there’s truly awful corruption in our executive branch leadership, from Obama on down. And I don’t like the way things are set up systemically with the IRS even if this level of corruption wasn’t present. But viewing rank-and-file public employees as being evil is wrong, wrong, wrong. As conservatives, please, let’s avoid incendiary hyperbole.

MinnesotaSlinger on June 18, 2013 at 10:27 AM

“Paging Hannah Arendt to the white courtesy telephone…”

ebrown2 on June 18, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Does the bear crap in the woods ?

esblowfeld on June 18, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Why would a Dem be worried about Dems reading his email?

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 10:23 AM

As long as the conversation was political, there’d be no problem. But if they were talking about some kind of illegal activity that even BHO wouldn’t approve of (like a murder or robbery plot), they might think twice about using email or their phone to communicate.

I agree on the Dem thirst for power. It seems like that’s all they care about.

I really wish I could be a fly on the wall and listen in to the conversations of BHO, Pelosi, Reid, et al. We know what they are probably saying, but hearing it with our own ears would be unbelievable. My guess is that think the the masses are stupid (how else could they get elected), the GOP doesn’t have the b@lls to stop them (they’re probably right), and given a few more years they’ll turn the USA into the Socialist States of America.

GAlpha10 on June 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM

ebrown2 on June 18, 2013 at 10:30 AM

the banality of evil..

esr1951 on June 18, 2013 at 10:45 AM

A ten point jump?

Only 10 points?

They stupid?

Sleeping?

Stoned?

coldwarrior on June 18, 2013 at 9:01 AM

And this from El_Terrible nearly 2 years ago;

Who ARE these 38%??
90% of black voters = 11ish%
60% of Latino voters = 7ish%
90% of lib voters = 18ish%
11 + 7 + 18 = 36% + 2% random idiots = 38%

El_Terrible on August 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Bump up the random idiot number a bit and you have the floor for Obama support.

Dasher on June 18, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Short of criticism of Justin Beaver,Obama can pretty much do anything he wants and get away with it.

celtic warrior on June 18, 2013 at 10:49 AM

But viewing rank-and-file public employees as being evil is wrong, wrong, wrong. As conservatives, please, let’s avoid incendiary hyperbole.
MinnesotaSlinger on June 18, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Evil is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. They’re certainly leftists, the certainly wanted Obama (or any Dem) reelected. They hold their government salary to be preeminent.

It’s not really their fault, the Dems love the IRS, the tea party doesn’t. It’s a natural reaction, if your salary is paid by the government you’re going to be partial to the party of big government.

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 10:54 AM

There’s nothing more significant than sheer dot-connecting here, as there has not yet been any explicit revelations of White House involvement.

There’s no one more worthless in all media than Ed Morsissy. And the above quote is Exhibit A.

Nothing legitimate at all about people making judgements based on their own common-sense reading of the news without your kind telling them how to think, huh Ed?

You sad, pathetic man.

sartana on June 18, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Imagine if the Networks actually covered the hearings and people had access to the stories of real people.

We need quotas in network news hiring. We have to fix our media.

petunia on June 18, 2013 at 11:01 AM

happytobehere,

I hate to admit it, but my salary (and my military retirement) is paid by the government (I work for a company that has a DoD contract). However, I have rarely voted for a Dem. The only ones I have are local elected officials that I knew personally and who didn’t let party politics interfere with their committment to do the right thing for their constituents.

Actually, at the local level (township, city, and county) all elected offices should be non-partisan. My wife is a local elected official and is a republican. Fortunately, she has run unopposed for the past four election cycles. If she had a dem opponent she would lose because too many dem’s vote straight party, regardless of the candidate’s qualifications, and our municipality leans left.

GAlpha10 on June 18, 2013 at 11:03 AM

So Obama will probably do a few things: make a surprise appearance in Afghanistan, and fly back from Africa mid trip to deal with some “crisis”, to get those numbers up.

can_con on June 18, 2013 at 11:05 AM

GAlpha10 on June 18, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Since one of the government’s few legitimate responsibilities is to provide a national defense I wouldn’t necessarily say a military man or contractor is pro-stupid-huge-Dem government. Quite the opposite actually.

But the IRS, and other government excesses, certainly attract Dem employees.

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM

happytobehere on June 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM

I totally agree.

GAlpha10 on June 18, 2013 at 11:25 AM

I think it shows people that the Tea Party had legitimate concerns about government abuse of power. It makes the MSM’s propaganda against conservative groups look suspect.

Breitbart is probably dancing in his grave over Scandalmania.

HellCat on June 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Hey, obama will hold himself up as an example of how affirmative action works….when you are nothing more than a community organizing street thug with a resume that is less than paper thin, you make for a fine example of how aff action works……in this case, color means everything and not an applicants character or work experience…….

crosshugger on June 18, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Absolutely amazing to see the absence of this on the front pages of all the newspapers at the deli this morning.

Cleombrotus on June 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

MSM:”Hey, we gave this IRS scandal plenty of coverage several weeks ago. But if you ‘baggers are gonna continue to rant and rave about it, then, ya know, we’ll have to just dismiss it as yet another Fox story”.

ardenenoch on June 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM