Boehner tells GOP caucus: I won’t bring an immigration bill to the floor unless a majority of you support it

posted at 1:11 pm on June 18, 2013 by Allahpundit

Not for a moment do I think he’s following the Hastert Rule here on principle, but that’s okay. As long as the House GOP gets a veto, I don’t care what his motive is. Fear works just fine.

“I don’t see any way of bringing an immigration bill to the floor that doesn’t have a majority support of Republicans,” Boehner told reporters following a closed-door House GOP conference meeting…

According to a member who attended the meeting, Boehner argued against the Hastert Rule, but assured his colleagues that he would adhere to it on immigration.

On Monday, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher warned that Boehner should lose his gavel if he moved forward on immigration without majority support, saying it would be a “betrayal” of the party…

Asked by reporters if he agreed with Rohrabacher’s assessment, the Speaker considered the question and replied “maybe.”

GOP Rep. Tom Cotton told Guy Benson last night that he doubts even a small number of Republicans would support a bill like the Gang of Eight’s where amnesty comes before border security. That depends, I suppose, on what he means by “amnesty.” Democrats will insist on probationary legalization first, although they’re willing to let the path to eventual citizenship start later. If Cotton means that security will have to come before even legalization, then immigration reform’s probably dead. A note of caution, though: Boehner also told reporters yesterday that he’s “increasingly concerned” that Democrats would “rather have this as an issue in the 2014 election rather than a result.” That’s the ol’ “sabotage” theory that’s constantly being used to convince conservative amnesty skeptics that the way to really stick it to Obama and Schumer is to pass reform and deny them a wedge issue next year. It’s the purest nonsense, and the fact that Boehner is pushing it even now shows how eager he is to make something happen here. Promising to follow the Hastert Rule is encouraging, but don’t rule out a last-minute betrayal if he thinks he has 218 with Democratic support.

In fact, per National Journal, Boehner and the House leadership have been leaning on conservatives quietly to play ball:

Republicans on and off the Hill say Boehner, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy all want to do something on immigration. Boehner “really wants to get that done but he has to be real quiet about it because if he puts his name on it and his brand on it, like he did with the big (fiscal-cliff) deal, then it’s probably going to die under its own weight,” a former GOP leadership aide said…

“What will have to happen, and is happening in private discussions, is that we have to convince these guys if we’re going to go to conference, we’re not going to cave on our principles,” a senior House GOP aide said. “That is the sales job you have to make to those guys.”…

“This is one of those issues where they may only get 80 to 100 Republicans to vote for it on the House floor, but there won’t be the huge internal backlash,” the former aide said. “And that gives (leadership) some room to maneuver and they have some conservative cover. They have (Sen. Marco) Rubio and (Rep. Raul) Labrador,” who are two key conservative Republicans pushing reform.

Boehner, of course, claims he won’t bring it to the floor in the first place if there are only 80 to 100 Republicans to vote for it. Here’s a scenario that seems plausible to me: What if he rounds up, say, 60-75 Republicans to vote yes, which wouldn’t be close to a majority of the caucus but might impress people as a sizable enough minority that it makes the bill “bipartisan” for rhetorical purposes? And what if, on top of that, the RNC and the House leadership start rolling out lots of prominent Republicans to endorse passing the bill with those 60-75 GOP votes, even if it means violating the Hastert Rule? Rubio, Paul Ryan, Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, maybe Jindal, maybe Chris Christie, maybe even Rand Paul — imagine all of them in a full-court media press declaring the bill a triumph, a gift to Republicans, and something that should be passed even if Democrats provide most of the votes. Passionate grassroots righties who follow this stuff day to day would bristle, but all the low-information Republicans out there would probably be impressed by it. The calculus for the party is deciding which is more dangerous to its future, taking the rap for killing immigration reform by having it implode in the House or alienating some conservatives by passing it with most of the Republican caucus opposed. I honestly don’t know which way they’d come down on that. Their eternal trump card, which they’d play again in 2014, is that RINOs are the lesser of two evils vis-a-vis Democrats and therefore most of the righties who declare “I’m staying home!” after amnesty passes will suck it up and vote GOP in the midterms anyway. One thing that would help head off that possibility is having more anti-amnesty conservatives speak up, to sway the low-information voters the other way. Where’s Ted Cruz? Are there no major young Republican governors willing to answer the bell?

By the way, Harry Reid’s suddenly very, very eager to keep immigration reform moving in the Senate. I think Byron York’s right as to why. Keep hope alive.


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How about a majority of the American people?!

Friggin’ stooge.

Rixon on June 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Here’s hoping they don’t.

However, Boehner lies.

Schadenfreude on June 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Never forget this pig.

Schadenfreude on June 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Duhhhhhh

Schadenfreude on June 18, 2013 at 1:16 PM

The calculus for the party is deciding which is more dangerous to its future, taking the rap for killing immigration reform by having it implode in the House or alienating some conservatives by passing it with most of the Republican caucus opposed. I honestly don’t know which way they’d come down on that

The GOP establishment attitude towards tea partiers should answer that question for you.

a capella on June 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

OT But a great 4 minutes courtesy of the right scoop:

http://therightscoop.com/make-it-viral-black-louisiana-senator-explains-why-he-became-a-republican/

Black Louisiana Senator explains why he became a Republican

can_con on June 18, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Keep Melting the phones….especially on Wednesday.

To call your Member of Congress:
US Capitol Switchboard (202) 224-3121

BTW, for those of you holding out a care for the Mass Senate race….

With barely a week to go before the special election to fill the seat John Kerry vacated in the Senate, The Fine Print caught up with the two candidates at the center of the heated campaign on the trail in Massachusetts.

It’s taken a particular sort of Republican to win statewide elections in liberal-leaning Massachusetts, and Republican nominee Gabriel Gomez, a second-generation Latino immigrant and former Navy SEAL with a business degree from Harvard, is making the case that he fits the mold.

“I’m ashamed that only four Republicans voted for the expanded background check,” Gomez told The Fine Print about the gun legislation that failed to pass through the Senate. “I want to go down there and make sure we get more Republicans on board and more conservative Democrats.”

Gomez also touts his support of immigration reform, saying that if he were in the Senate, he’d make the “Gang of Eight” into a “Gang of Nine.”

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/boston-tea-party-gabriel-gomez-pours-water-accusations-112716823.html?vp=1

PappyD61 on June 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

It’s dead in the Rio Grande.

fogw on June 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM

These Congresscritters seem to be dead set on betraying the very country that they are supposed to be serving. They want to reward the illegal behavior of millions of “undocumented immigrants’, who sneaked into our sovereign nation, to have the monetary and Social advantages of being an American, without any of the responsibilities.

While claiming an altruistic motive behind their drive for Amnesty, these Congresscitters’ actual motivation is more self-serving than anything else. They want to create more voters for their political party.

And, that is where the Democrats are playing Sen. Marco Rubio, and the rest of his new-found friends in the GOP Elite for fools.

If the Moderate Republicans believe that any of these illegal aliens are going to vote for them, when they can vote for the Party of Baracky Claus, instead…they’re dumber than Jim Carrey’s Anti-gun Video.

kingsjester on June 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Rubio, Paul Ryan, Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, maybe Jindal, maybe Chris Christie, maybe even Rand Paul

The anti-Americans in DC

“I’m staying home!” after amnesty passes will suck it up and vote GOP in the midterms anyway.

Never again. Boehner is too dumb to internalize this.

Schadenfreude on June 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Why? Debate in the full Senate only started last week. Why is Reid rushing to pass such a sprawling, multifaceted piece of legislation in such a short period of time? Is there an emergency?

Reid is a charlatanic thug, but the Rs enable him, which makes them more culpable.

Schadenfreude on June 18, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Are you sure the quote wasn’t:

“I don’t see any way of bringing an immigration bill to the floor that doesn’t have a majority support of Republicans, dammit. But I’ll be having closed door meetings all week with my scotch bottle to discuss ways to make it happen…”

ROCnPhilly on June 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Their eternal trump card, which they’d play again in 2014, is that RINOs are the lesser of two evils vis-a-vis Democrats and therefore most of the righties who declare “I’m staying home!” after amnesty passes will suck it up and vote GOP in the midterms anyway.

And this is why we keep going further left every year no matter which party controls DC.

I didn’t vote for Romney and I am sure as hell not going to vote for Amnesty backing Republicans no matter what insane moonbat the Democrats run.

If the Republicans want conservative votes they are going to have to start earning them.

18-1 on June 18, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Undocumented Democrats unite!

cmsinaz on June 18, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I won’t bring this bill to the floor unless the sun comes up tomorrow.

BobMbx on June 18, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I’ve put this together to dispel the untruths and lies that spread after the Court’s ruling on the Arizona case yesterday.

Hope you find a few things interesting:

Understanding Arizona v Inter-Tribal Council of Arizona

Resist We Much on June 18, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Of course he wouldn’t. Whose side is Boehner on? Ours we hope.
Right now we hear that new undocumented Dems are pouring across the borders because of Rubio’s amnesty proposal.
This is insane. Look at California where the primary language seems to be Spanish. Go there before voting on amnesty. And there’s no way these new and current undocumented Dems are becoming Republicans. They are going to want a piece of that redistribution pie, because they’re almost all low income and will be to their benefit to get some, and that means supporting the Dems. And with an alliance with white liberals, the borders in the future will be free and open to new fertile immigrants, until we are in effect merged with Mexico.
We might as well just become Democrats with amnesty to try to affect their primaries. Because the Republicans will be done with amnesty. It will be a one party system nationally.

anotherJoe on June 18, 2013 at 1:32 PM

This man is a drunk, an Obama ass licker, and most of the republicans voted for him. The Republican Party is a joke. A very sad, sick, evil joke filled with who have no values, testicles, or your best interest in sight. And it will remain that way up and through 2016. And you all know this.

GhoulAid on June 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Boehner, of course, claims he won’t bring it to the floor in the first place if there are only 80 to 100 Republicans to vote for it. Here’s a scenario that seems plausible to me: What if he rounds up, say, 60-75 Republicans to vote yes, which wouldn’t be close to a majority of the caucus but might impress people as a sizable enough minority that it makes the bill “bipartisan” for rhetorical purposes?

The problem is that even if we accept the prospect of 75 House Republicans supporting this, that leaves 143 who don’t. Is Boehner really gonna bring this to the floor for a vote with the House GOP opposing it by nearly a 2-1 margin? That’s a clear violation of the Hastert Rule and the end of his speakership(not to mention the Republican Party, but that’s another matter entirely).

Doughboy on June 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Boehner tells GOP caucus: I won’t bring an immigration bill to the floor unless a majority of you support it

The Spelunker is getting ready to cave…

Not for a moment do I think he’s following the Hastert Rule here on principle…

Does the Spelunker understand the concept of “principles”?…

Gohawgs on June 18, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Let the bill implode.
Bring up Security First.
Send that to Senate.

Let the Senate ‘Rats
Feel the heat for a damn change.
A Wedge of our own.

Haiku Guy on June 18, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Yo quiero Taco Bell.

Seriously, though, no to mojados.

madmonkphotog on June 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM

The emergency:
Reid recalls 2008,
And the folks back home.

Reid knows he has lost
If the Senators go home,
And get and earful

Obamacare was a done deal right up to the July 4th recess in 2008. Then the disasterous Town Meetings took place, with constituents howling at their representatives in every district in the country (good time… good times). Reid knows the same thing will happen wiht the Gang of 8 bill. He knows that once the Congresscritters get outside the Washington Bubble, they will turn against this bill with a vengence.

Haiku Guy on June 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM

No way Reid is going to bring about Amnesty bill before the Supreme Court rules on gay marriage.

sentinelrules on June 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Their eternal trump card, which they’d play again in 2014, is that RINOs are the lesser of two evils vis-a-vis Democrats and therefore most of the righties who declare “I’m staying home!” after amnesty passes will suck it up and vote GOP in the midterms anyway.

Oh, I won’t be staying home in 2014. I’ll be voting, just not for any R’s that vote yes on this evil bill. And work to defeat them also.

I think that card is DOA. My message to the House R’s will be, “vote yes on this and lose your seat in 2014″

Trust Boehner? LOL, about as much as I trust his co-hort Obama.

Reid is upping the vote schedule in the Senate to be ASAP. We don’t have much time left.

bluefox on June 18, 2013 at 1:44 PM

On Monday, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher warned that Boehner should lose his gavel if he moved forward on immigration without majority support, saying it would be a “betrayal” of the party…

I disagree with Rohrabacher. Boeher should lose the speakership but it should be tough to lose his gavel considering how far it would be shoved up his rump. The big one that Pelosi paraded with to pass ObamaCare.

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2013 at 1:45 PM

What about this doesn’t sound quite right?

“Support Immigration Reform — We Need More Poor People!”

IndieDogg on June 18, 2013 at 1:46 PM

If only Boehner was a truth-teller.

I wouldn’t turn my back on the guy.

Carnac on June 18, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Nothing should come out of the house if they can get 218 democrats and some turn coats. They can take a bill to name a post office strip it in conference and put in the senate bill in the entirety then send it back to the house for the democrats to vote for.

tjexcite on June 18, 2013 at 1:50 PM

How about a majority of the American people?!

Friggin’ stooge.

Rixon on June 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Which American people — those citizens born here or naturalized under the law, or the undocumented Democrats Rubio is trying to legitimize by sleight-of-hand?

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 1:51 PM

“What will have to happen, and is happening in private discussions, is that we have to convince these guys if we’re going to go to conference, we’re not going to cave on our principles,” a senior House GOP aide said. “That is the sales job you have to make to those guys.”…

Well, if you didn’t ever cave on your principles, there would be no need for a sales job.

James on June 18, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Strip everything out of the bill that doesn’t secure the border.
Start there.

Dexter_Alarius on June 18, 2013 at 1:51 PM

I trust Boehner as much as I trust the IRS.

Rovin on June 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM

I think we need to do something on immigration – just not this bill.

gophergirl on June 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Does the Spelunker understand the concept of “principles”?…

Gohawgs on June 18, 2013 at 1:36 PM

In a word, no.

bluefox on June 18, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Jeff Sessions- ‘Marco, there’s somebody on the television pretending to be you’

Too funny. But also demonstrative of the fact that Rubio is a doublespeaking rat fink.

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2013 at 1:53 PM

On Monday, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher warned that Boehner should lose his gavel if he moved forward on immigration without majority support, saying it would be a “betrayal” of the party…

Screw the Party; I’m done with them anyway. My concern is the country my three granddaughters will be living in.

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fred5678 on June 18, 2013 at 1:54 PM

We’ll be Bo(eh)ned again. Here’s how it’s going to play:

- A majority of “Republicans” will agree to start debate.

- Bo(eh)ner, Ryan, and the rest of leadership will work with the Rats to defeat any and all conservative amendments.

- Shamnesty passes with most of the votes being Rats.

- In January 2015, Bo(eh)ner hands over the gavel to Pelosi.

Steve Eggleston on June 18, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Kevin McCarthy was on the hannity radio show yesterday, pushing a bifurcated bill….more smoke and mirrors.

hannity did his usual softball questions. I guess hannity is afraid to ask about the impact of 30M immigrants, mostly uneducated and just not that into the US of A.

And why Mexico? There are millions of people around the world who would like to live in the US.

Of course, i know the answers. Hannity doesn’t want to ask the questions…he may lose his high-up friends in the rnc.

r keller on June 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM

I think we need to do something on immigration – just not this bill.

gophergirl on June 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Maybe build a time machine, go back 40 years and enforce all existing immigration laws.

fogw on June 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM

If Boehner actually keeps his word on this, I will forgive him for all his past sins.

bw222 on June 18, 2013 at 1:56 PM

I think we need to do something on immigration – just not this bill.

gophergirl on June 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM

What does one have to do with the other.

The “immigration reform” bill has absolutely nothing to do with immigration. It is all about amnesty for the illegals- as quickly and easily as they think they can get away with politically.

Immigration reform would start with a secure border, and more rigor over things like visa expiration, guest worker programs that are not open-ended, and elimination of the anchor baby concept.

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Resist We Much on June 18, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Thank you. I was trying to explain to someone today what you posted yesterday and don’t know if I did it clearly:-)

Will bookmark this and read it asap.

Getting my House Call list ready. Maybe I’ll speak it in Spanish:-) since they don’t seem to understand English.

bluefox on June 18, 2013 at 1:59 PM

BTW, for those of you holding out a care for the Mass Senate race….

PappyD61 on June 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

In any state west of New York, Gomez would be viewed as a liberal democrat and Markey a communist.

bw222 on June 18, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I know, some people say, “well, there’s problems for us if we don’t do amnesty, people won’t like us, especially the immigrants.”
True. But perhaps 80% or more of these people wouldn’t vote for us anyway. With amnesty we dilute our brand, we have those that would vote for us, and a powerful reason is to prevent the Mexification of this country, with that reason gone many of them would see less reason to vote Repub.
Mainly, with amnesty, the voter roles tilt immediately (or very soon!) to the Dems. With the new (strong Dem) voter make up, even more illegals will be free to immigrate and vote, and all this “border security” talk is window dressing, the immigrants will soon in years anyway be free to come, no border security in effect.

Sure, fighting amnesty is not perfect, but succumbing to the Dem (and Rubio and Graham) push is not an option, because that guarantees failure for us.

anotherJoe on June 18, 2013 at 2:00 PM

The Only Relevant Issue In The Immigration Debate: What Is Good For The Country And Her Citizens?

Resist We Much on June 18, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Very true. What possible good comes from adding 35 – 50 million (amnesty and family reunification) illiterate, unskilled, non-productive people to the country?

bw222 on June 18, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Kevin McCarthy was on the hannity radio show yesterday, pushing a bifurcated bill….more smoke and mirrors.

hannity did his usual softball questions. I guess hannity is afraid to ask about the impact of 30M immigrants, mostly uneducated and just not that into the US of A.

And why Mexico? There are millions of people around the world who would like to live in the US.

Of course, i know the answers. Hannity doesn’t want to ask the questions…he may lose his high-up friends in the rnc.

r keller on June 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM

The problem with Hannity is that he may actually be an amnesty shill. Recall that right after the 2012 election, he came out and was open to the idea. He’s since backtracked somewhat, but I think he’s one of these squishy Republicans who’s desperate to curry favor with Hispanic voters and has deluded himself into thinking this is how to do it. At least with Levin, Beck, and Rush, we know they’re opposed to amnesty.

Doughboy on June 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM

r keller on June 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM

McCarthy, Cantor & Boehner are the three that stripped the Conservatives of their Committee slots and also their Sub-Committee slots.

They are traitors all.

Hannity is ok, but he doesn’t want to face the facts. He does what Fox allows. That’s why I have mixed feelings about Palin going back on.

These R’s in the House are only afraid of one thing and that is losing their cushy seats!! We need to put the fear of God in them when we call.

bluefox on June 18, 2013 at 2:04 PM

This is sickening. Who are the principled leaders? They must exist but their cries are simply drowned by the evil-doers.

by the way…

Undocumented Democrats unite!

cmsinaz on June 18, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Very funny!

freedomfirst on June 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Try me John….

you pass this with a GOP minority or own goal the committee mettings on purpose then at the end of the day you’re forcing me to vote straight ticket D

harlekwin15 on June 18, 2013 at 2:07 PM

True. But perhaps 80% or more of these people wouldn’t vote for us anyway.

anotherJoe on June 18, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Romney received 27% of the Hispanic vote. My guess is that the majority of Hispanics voting for Romney were well-educated and business owners. I tend to believe those receiving amnesty would vote for Republicans on a par with blacks – under 10%. They were looking for “free stuff” when they crossed the border. They are still looking for “free stuff.” Their children and grandchildren will be looking for “free stuff.”

bw222 on June 18, 2013 at 2:08 PM

They’re utter fools if they think the Dems won’t use this as a wedge issue regardless of whether it passes or not. These are the same people who accused Romney of giving someone cancer…there is no honor among this group, no sense of right/wrong, no low they won’t stoop to, and no issue they won’t demagogue the hell out of for electoral advantage. It DOES NOT MATTTER if you help to pass something, Republicans…to the low info voter you’re still going to be backward, xenophobic racists who can’t possibly want “other” people to come here.

The House would be better off passing it’s own version, one conservatives can fully support, and letting the chips fall where they may. If the Senate rejects it, oh well, they tried.

changer1701 on June 18, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Hannity is ok, but he doesn’t want to face the facts. He does what Fox allows.

bluefox on June 18, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Contrary to his claims of being a conservative, Hannity is nothing but an establishment Republican hack. He does what Roger Ailes tells him and spouts GOP talking points.

But, I have to give Sean credit. He has gone a long way for a talentless guy who is as dumb as a brick.

bw222 on June 18, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Not only is this crap bill going to effect the here and now. What happens when Obama relocates 10,000 Syrian ‘refugees’ here in the future? What will be their status under this new travesty? How many will there be from Pakistan later on, if that country full of violent Muslims starts falling apart and Obama wants to ‘relocate’ a bunch of them?

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Immigration reform would start with a secure border, and more rigor over things like visa expiration, guest worker programs that are not open-ended, and elimination of the anchor baby concept.

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2013 at 1:58 PM

I agree.

gophergirl on June 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM

The calculus for the party is deciding which is more dangerous to its future, taking the rap for killing immigration reform by having it implode in the House or alienating some conservatives by passing it with most of the Republican caucus opposed.

Here’s a thought, Mr. Speaker: Put up your own bill.

-Close the border.
-Apply for guest worker status, preferable from home country.
-Pass a background check, and weed out the criminals.
-NO path to citizenship. Go home and apply for that.
-Make the employer penalties for hiring illegals severe, and require E-Verify.
-Automatic revocation of status for criminal activity, and deport them.
-No government handouts: work, or go home.
-No chain migration. Want relatives in? Have them apply for guest-worker status, and then support them or get them a job.

iurockhead on June 18, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Resist We Much on June 18, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Have you had a chance to see this by Ted Cruz regarding the SC/AZ ruling?

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/17/cruz-will-file-immigration-amendment-allowing-states-to-require-proof-of-citizenship-for-voter-registration/#ixzz2WVvrHXiA

I’m sure this Amendment will be voted down just as Grassley’s was, but at least the Senate will be on record:-)

bluefox on June 18, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Boehner tells GOP caucus: I won’t bring an immigration bill to the floor unless a majority of you support it

Don’t believe him. If his lips are moving, he’s lying.

Doomberg on June 18, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Will definitely want a list of the so-called Rs that fvote for this Obamacare equivalent on immigration; it can’t be amended enough to fix what the senate is doing. And ANYTHING that doesn’t seriously impede the DRAW- illegal JOBS- with mandatory E-Verify of EVERY worker on a premises (sub-contractors included) with STIFF fines for non-compliance, simply will set off the next cycle (which is already flooding across the border NOW.)

Kill this beast- or face lots of primaries. Even our beloved vietnam POW Sam Johnson- who heartbreakingly has been part of the House’s Gang of 8 secretly for YEARS- will likely face a primary challenge over this for the first time in decades.

michaelo on June 18, 2013 at 2:23 PM

anotherJoe on June 18, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I agree. These are the open borders crowd and they want no security.

Cuccinelli: “You can’t win if you don’t fight”

Ken Cuccinelli is the Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Virginia and a proud conservative now
running for Governor.

bluefox on June 18, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Republicans on and off the Hill say Boehner, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy all want to do something on immigration.

That’s it, isn’t it — in a nutshell. On every issue. They have “to do something.” It doesn’t matter that the “something” is ALWAYS driven by the Left’s Narratives and negotiating prerogative and the GOP is ALWAYS in the reactive and defensive position. Call it the “Bohica Paradigm.” Boehner and the rest of these GOP tools with terminal inferiority complex couldn’t change it if their lives depended on it. And so we will “do something.”

rrpjr on June 18, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Their eternal trump card, which they’d play again in 2014, is that RINOs are the lesser of two evils vis-a-vis Democrats and therefore most of the righties who declare “I’m staying home!” after amnesty passes will suck it up and vote GOP in the midterms anyway.

How’d that work out in 2012? Sure, “most” (including me) turned out for Romney. It was the small percentage that sat out the election that threw it to O’Bamba.

Festus on June 18, 2013 at 2:33 PM

The Obamacare bill was pushed through in the dead of the night and nobody read it, so now we have an Amnesty Bill circa 1986 that is thousands of pages and it will be shoved through with hardly anyone reading it. The politicians in both parties are the scum of the earth

HAGGS99 on June 18, 2013 at 2:34 PM

“I don’t see any way of bringing an immigration bill to the floor that doesn’t have a majority support of Republicans,” Boehner told reporters following a closed-door House GOP conference meeting…

It’s not an “immigration bill”, it’s a “treason bill” and I don’t care if 3000% of the GOP supported it. The Constitution and the foundations of the nation-state don’t.

The Weeping Boner should have been tossed out of the Weepership back in early 2011, when it was already clear that he was a failure, a loon, and a moron who couldn’t negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag – even if actually wanted to, which he never does. The Weeping Boner is death, itself. Stupid death. He has got to go. Take away his Weepership, throw him out of Congress, and blast that imbecile into orbit.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 18, 2013 at 2:35 PM

But, I have to give Sean credit. He has gone a long way for a talentless guy who is as dumb as a brick.

bw222 on June 18, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Sean is a good guy and sincere. However, he’s limited since he’s under contract and seems too scripted. Now on his radio show, it’s different, not rogue, but not as scripted imo.

Fox News is trying to be this “fair & balanced”, but they have veered to the left and are now out of balance.

We’ll see how much freedom they give Sarah. They better schedule her for more than Greta twice a month!!

bluefox on June 18, 2013 at 2:35 PM

and blast that imbecile into orbit.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 18, 2013 at 2:35 PM

And add to all that space junk up there already? I’m surprised the envirowhackos haven’t taken up that as a cause yet.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Jeff Sessions- ‘Marco, there’s somebody on the television pretending to be you’

Too funny. But also demonstrative of the fact that Rubio is a doublespeaking rat fink.

Happy Nomad on June 18, 2013 at 1:53 PM

LOL! Did Sessions really say that? If not, he should have!!

Rubio speaks with forked tongue. Where’s Bmore with an image like that with text next to his forked tongues?

bluefox on June 18, 2013 at 2:47 PM

oops, s/b “tongue” Come to think of it, two tongues wouldn’t be bad either.

bluefox on June 18, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Does anyone have a list of the Republican Caucus members?

bluefox on June 18, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Their eternal trump card, which they’d play again in 2014, is that RINOs are the lesser of two evils vis-a-vis Democrats and therefore most of the righties who declare “I’m staying home!” after amnesty passes will suck it up and vote GOP in the midterms anyway.

How did that work out for Romney?

The GOP and Boehner wil break your heart.

Tenwheeler on June 18, 2013 at 2:50 PM

Their eternal trump card, which they’d play again in 2014, is that RINOs are the lesser of two evils vis-a-vis Democrats and therefore most of the righties who declare “I’m staying home!” after amnesty passes will suck it up and vote GOP in the midterms anyway. One thing that would help head off that possibility is having more anti-amnesty conservatives speak up, to sway the low-information voters the other way.

Another thing we can do is to get anti-amnesty conservatives to announce that they are running against treasonous pro-amnesty RINOs in Republican Primary Elections in 2014.

Richard Cash has already announced his Primary challenge for Gang of 8 member Lindsey Graham’s Senate seat.
http://www.richard-cash-for-senate.com/

Who is going to challenge John Boehner in the Republican Primary in Ohio if Speaker Boehner in any way supports giving Amnesty to people who have disrespected our laws by being in our country ILLEGALLY?

wren on June 18, 2013 at 2:51 PM

He’d better not do anything on this turkey of a bill!

neyney on June 18, 2013 at 3:00 PM

or alienating some most conservatives by passing it with most of the Republican caucus opposed.

Fixed. And if they take this action, they’re done. The voters who stayed home the last two election cycles? A drop in the bucket. A large percentage of the conservative electorate will simply drop out of politics and prepare for the ensuing collapse.

Physics Geek on June 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Too good to believe.

I would like to ask Ed Morrissey a question: How does adding 35 – 50 million (illegals plus family unification) illiterate, uneducated, unskilled people benefit our country?

bw222 on June 18, 2013 at 3:10 PM

A large percentage of the conservative electorate will simply drop out of politics and prepare for the ensuing collapse.

Physics Geek on June 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM

I would rather see a large uptick in the number of votes going to Conservative third parties which, to me, is the only message the RINOs, LSM, and others would notice. It would also be something new, an experience the Left never had.

Imagine the headline: “Unexpectedly, votes for third parties jump 500% since last election.”

All the Rats and rat finks would have to sit up on their hind legs and take notice.

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 3:13 PM

PappyD61 on June 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Gomez is so liberal that he makes Scott Brown look like Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin (by comparison).

bw222 on June 18, 2013 at 3:13 PM

We’ll see how much freedom they give Sarah. They better schedule her for more than Greta twice a month!!

bluefox on June 18, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Unlike Hannity, Sarah has b@lls. She signed the contract witrh FNC last week and Saturday came out against arming the rebels and amnesty (two positions that are counter to Roger Ailes). If you remember, after the Gabby Giffords shooting, Palin ignored Ailes and spoke out.

bw222 on June 18, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Not only is this crap bill going to effect the here and now. What happens when Obama relocates 10,000 Syrian ‘refugees’ here in the future? What will be their status under this new travesty? How many will there be from Pakistan later on, if that country full of violent Muslims starts falling apart and Obama wants to ‘relocate’ a bunch of them?

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Don’t worry. They will fit in as well as the Somalis have – not at all.

bw222 on June 18, 2013 at 3:20 PM

The calculus for the party is deciding which is more dangerous to its future, taking the rap for killing immigration reform by having it implode in the House or alienating some conservatives by passing it with most of the Republican caucus opposed.

Yes, passing the bill would alienate some conservatives. But the fact that the bill would put millions of future Democratic voters on the road to citizenship is much, much more significant to the long-term future of the Republican Party. If the bill is passed, the party is doomed even if conservative voters who oppose the bill keep voting Republican anyway.

J.S.K. on June 18, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Detain and Deport ALL criminal aliens NOW!

Seal the Southern Border so that even a chipmunk couldn’t get through, oh yeah, do that yesterday.

Seal the Northern Border so they can’t sneak in that way next.

Suspend (eliminate) student visa program.

Legal immigrations only for those documented and well educated professionals that we need here.

Did I forget anything?

D-fusit on June 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM

The calculus for the party is deciding which is more dangerous to its future, taking the rap for killing immigration reform by having it implode in the House or alienating some conservatives by passing it with most of the Republican caucus opposed.

Not to mention the longer term equation involving the legalization of 11 million “undocumented Democrats”. Does anyone doubt that Democrats will follow amnesty immediately with demands for “fairness” placing their new voters on full gubmint bennies, welfare, food stamps, and Medicaid? There is no way to win this battle, in large part because clueless Republican idiots repeatedly allow Democrats to frame the issues and choose the battlegrounds. Pandering to pro-amnesty Hispanic voters will never, never, never gain Republicans favor from that bloc, only contempt. Democrats will continue to manipulate related issues to their advantage as Republican leadership remains blind to the most easily foreseeable consequences.

Their eternal trump card, which they’d play again in 2014, is that RINOs are the lesser of two evils vis-a-vis Democrats and therefore most of the righties who declare “I’m staying home!” after amnesty passes will suck it up and vote GOP in the midterms anyway.

Yeah, we would be much better off with RINOs like Lugar. Donnelly is a sure vote for “reform”, but Lugar would certainly have been too, and he would have provided bipartisan cover in the process.

I’ve long been in the pragmatist camp when it comes to voting the lesser of two evils. The fact the immigration “reform” push has so much support in Republican ranks may just change that calculus. For the first time, I’m seriously considering voting third party or just writing in a protest vote. If Republicans can support legislation as destructive as amnesty without border security, it will be very hard to justify voting for them.

novaculus on June 18, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Detain and Deport ALL criminal aliens NOW!

Seal the Southern Border so that even a chipmunk couldn’t get through, oh yeah, do that yesterday.

Seal the Northern Border so they can’t sneak in that way next.

Suspend (eliminate) student visa program.

Legal immigrations only for those documented and well educated professionals that we need here.

Did I forget anything?

D-fusit on June 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM

To admit you’re a racist. /

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 3:39 PM

What is this “border security” they are all talking about? What does that mean? It sure isn’t the permanent fence we used to talk about. Why have we dropped the fence idea?

How can we ever permanently secure the border without a fence? Surveilence and border agents can always be removed with a liberal in office. Secure today, unsecure tommorow. This “border security” debate is a false one that the establishment has created to trick conservatives. They have succeeded. Only a permanent fence will secure the border. Otherwise, the border will never be secure.

Fools. And thats towards the conservatives who will be happy with some temporary bench marks.

KMav on June 18, 2013 at 3:40 PM

To admit you’re a racist. /

Liam on June 18, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Liam you are correct I did forget, I’m a Racist.

There I feel better now that’s off my chest.

Boehner, listen to the conservatives not the rinos. Just think if, and I mean IF the R’s hold the house in 2014 and this anti-American bill never sees the light of day you might be able to hang onto San Fran Nan’s big gavel a little longer. But I sincerely hope not.

D-fusit on June 18, 2013 at 3:50 PM

I’ve put this together to dispel the untruths and lies that spread after the Court’s ruling on the Arizona case yesterday.

Hope you find a few things interesting:

Understanding Arizona v Inter-Tribal Council of Arizona

Resist We Much on June 18, 2013 at 1:31 PM

RWM, you always add so much to this forum and I always learn something from your links. Thank you.

poli-nana on June 18, 2013 at 4:12 PM

I think we need to do something on immigration – just not this bill.

gophergirl on June 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Unless we seal the border first, we should do nothing on immigration.

bw222 on June 18, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Their eternal trump card, which they’d play again in 2014, is that RINOs are the lesser of two evils vis-a-vis Democrats and therefore most of the righties who declare “I’m staying home!” after amnesty passes will suck it up and vote GOP in the midterms anyway.

Once you’ve decided to advocate and vote for a plan to commit national and political suicide that is supported by every left wing group in the country, every democrat governor in the country, every democrat in the senate and house, and every democrat at every level of government, you are not only as evil as the democrats(maybe more), you are officially the dumbest of two evils, and you will never get my vote again, not even if the dems run Satan himself.

xblade on June 18, 2013 at 4:40 PM

If Boehner thinks he can role over on this and not suffer the consequences, he’s drinking out of the same spigot as Nancy Pelosi.

GarandFan on June 18, 2013 at 6:04 PM