Moniz: No worries, the DOE is going to keep “aggressively pursuing” more solar energy projects

posted at 7:15 pm on June 17, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Oh, joy.

Moniz put strong faith in solar power during remarks Monday at a Washington, D.C., conference. That continues the trend set forth by his predecessor, Steven Chu, who was a staunch advocate of the renewable energy source.

“I would argue that I believe that the scale and time frame of impact of solar technology, I believe, again, is underestimated,” he said at the U.S. Energy Information Administration-hosted event. “There are many situations today when solar is in fact competitive.”

“We are aggressively pursuing this in many dimensions,” he continued. “I think that’s an example of something we will look back on in 10 years and be surprised at the scope.” …

“Costs have dropped dramatically. … This is getting very interesting,” he said.

Why it is that our current Energy Secretary insists upon doubling down on the robustly failed policies of our former Energy Secretary? And I’m not just talking about the well-publicized debacles of Solyndra and Abound Solar, which are symptomatic of a much larger problem. I’m talking about the first-world trend of the past decade or so in which governments around the globe have seen fit to make “investments” on behalf of the unwilling consumers of their respective economies, endlessly propping up a technology that consistently fails to compete against more traditional substitutes in the free market. Why pour so much money into what at this stage is still clearly an inferior technology with no current hope of attracting enough consumers based on its own merits? How is that accomplishing anything productive in the long-term for the sake of alternative energy?

It isn’t that I’m necessarily rooting for solar energy in principle to fail — not even a little bit. If solar energy can muster up a legitimate, efficient, and cost-effective market share, then awesome — but how are we ever supposed to really know that if we relentlessly refuse to give solar energy an actual chance? Secretary Moniz’s predecessor was fond of blaming China and their many state-backed solar companies for flooding and subsequently screwing up the global solar-energy market… which doesn’t provide any clues as to the logic behind the U.S. Department of Energy remaining hell-bent on doing the exact same thing that China’s been doing with rampant federal special treatment.


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“There are many situations today when solar is in fact competitive.”

Okay, name one.
Waiting.

JusDreamin on June 17, 2013 at 7:17 PM

What’s that old definition of insanity?

coldwarrior on June 17, 2013 at 7:18 PM

What’s the definition of insanity again?

chickasaw42 on June 17, 2013 at 7:18 PM

JusDreamin on June 17, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Well, Mercury and Venus are pretty darn warm.

Here on Earth?

I can’t think of one, either.

coldwarrior on June 17, 2013 at 7:19 PM

chickasaw42 on June 17, 2013 at 7:18 PM

You are good…but not that good. :-)

coldwarrior on June 17, 2013 at 7:20 PM

If at first you fail, fail, fail again, is the cry of the DOE.

sadatoni on June 17, 2013 at 7:21 PM

“I would argue that I believe that the scale and time frame of impact of solar technology, I believe, again, is underestimated,” he said

Only dopes talk like this.

Akzed on June 17, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Solar can’t ever be competitive simply due to the fact that the energy from sunlight is very diffuse. As an engineer I once calculated that it would take a solar farm 25 miles on a side in NM, which has the highest levels of continuous sunlight in the US, to equal the output of the Palo Verde nuke plant outside Phoenix which sits on a few hundred acres.

No amount of subsidies, good intentions, or wishing will change physics.

Charlemagne on June 17, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Just a stupid question. Does Obama and crazy hair Moniz control the purse strings or Congress?

Yeah arnold, it was a dumb question.

arnold ziffel on June 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Just looking at the pix if that fruit & nut basket running the department gives you a big clue about what the results will be.

KS Rex on June 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM

No amount of subsidies, good intentions, or wishing will change physics.

Charlemagne on June 17, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Physics is racist!

BacaDog on June 17, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Palo Verde has a strange trait. It outputs electricity when the sun is not shining. Something the greenie weenies always fail to mention when they talk about solar.

stephana on June 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM

“I’ll huff, and I’ll puff, and I’ll blow your house power station down”.

OldEnglish on June 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM

BacaDog on June 17, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Ain’t that the truth….all this talk about Dark Matter and such.

coldwarrior on June 17, 2013 at 7:34 PM

I’m sorry I can’t get past my immature attitude of any picture of Sec. Moniz attached to a thread. He looks crazy.

Cindy Munford on June 17, 2013 at 7:34 PM

stephana on June 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Do tell. How is that possible? I thought nuke energy was all negatives. Can it provide power when the wind isn’t blowing, too? Imagine the possibilities.

coldwarrior on June 17, 2013 at 7:35 PM

BacaDog on June 17, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Ain’t that the truth….all this talk about Dark Matter and such.

coldwarrior on June 17, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Don’t forget black holes!

Charlemagne on June 17, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Charlemagne on June 17, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Jus’ had t’ go there, din’t ya?

:-P

coldwarrior on June 17, 2013 at 7:37 PM

“There are many situations today when solar is in fact competitive.”

Okay, name one.
Waiting.

JusDreamin on June 17, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Sun tans!

Sincerely,
Libtard

hillsoftx on June 17, 2013 at 7:37 PM

energy from sunlight is very diffuse

You moron. Don’t you know they’re gonna install big beeotchin magnifying glasses over the panels. //

BacaDog on June 17, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Moniz: No worries, the DOE is going to keep “aggressively pursuing” more solar energy projects
POSTED AT 7:15 PM ON JUNE

Excellent move. Solar and green companies in the stock market have all seen their price per share skyrocket.

HotAirLib on June 17, 2013 at 7:41 PM

EEI – the trade association that represents the electric utility industry including many coal and nuke-heavy power generators, like Southern and AEP — seems pretty worried that solar’s going to succeed.

Robert_Paulson on June 17, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Doesn’t his hair-do alone disqualify him from being taken seriously?

deepdiver on June 17, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Where do they find these malignant freaks?

forest on June 17, 2013 at 7:48 PM

coldwarrior on June 17, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Charlemagne on June 17, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Contessa Brewer wants to know if you guys have a degree in astrophysics.

BacaDog on June 17, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Doesn’t his hair-do alone disqualify him from being taken seriously?

deepdiver on June 17, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Of course not! He looks like one of them typical liberal ‘intellectuals’, and appearances are everything.

Liam on June 17, 2013 at 7:49 PM

BacaDog on June 17, 2013 at 7:49 PM

No, but I’ve all of the past seasons of Big Bang Theory on DVD.

Bazinga!

coldwarrior on June 17, 2013 at 7:50 PM

The ChiComms must be the money behind these “green” energy projects.

….or some Corporate interests of the Democrats.

Never in my life have I seen such corruption in D.C. It seems like the bigger they get, the more money they spend, the worse they are.

Other than the Military defense/treaties and such I’m now of the opinion that all current Federal powers should reside in the individual states.

DEFUND D.C.

PappyD61 on June 17, 2013 at 7:50 PM

No, but I’ve all of the past seasons of Big Bang Theory on DVD.

Bazinga!

coldwarrior on June 17, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Good show. But I want to smack Sheldon (the character, not the actor) around a lot. His attitude reminds me of our trolls, but Sheldon has a brain.

Liam on June 17, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Of course not! He looks like one of them typical liberal ‘intellectuals’, and appearances are everything.

Liam on June 17, 2013 at 7:49 PM

I swear I think you’re on to something there. It’s like all the kids who got beat up on the playground are now cabinet secretaries.

BacaDog on June 17, 2013 at 8:02 PM

I swear I think you’re on to something there. It’s like all the kids who got beat up on the playground are now cabinet secretaries.

BacaDog on June 17, 2013 at 8:02 PM

I think you’re right. But now I’d to smack the kids who let them out of their lockers. LOL

Liam on June 17, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Not only have they lost their minds, they actually LOOK like they’ve lost their minds. This guy is straight out of Lewis Carrol or Dr. Seuss. Pity when fools run the country. Darn shame.

paul1149 on June 17, 2013 at 8:08 PM

I think you’re right. But now I’d to smack the kids who let them out of their lockers. LOL

Liam on June 17, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Well, what did you expect would happen when schools banned monkey bars and dodge ball.

BacaDog on June 17, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Lets disband the doe, let commerce handle it. Can’t be any worse.

losarkos on June 17, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Get a haircut, then go back where you came from. Thank-you.

Amazingoly on June 17, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Why it is that our current Energy Secretary insists upon doubling down on the robustly failed policies of our former Energy Secretary?

Because they are institutionally unable to admit they’ve done anything wrong. Has anybody in this administration ever publicly admitted to making a mistake?

We used to have good, high-quality solar panels available from major technological companies like Kyocera and Siemens. They were expensive, but they met their specs and lasted 10-20 years, so you could calculate whether or not it was worth it. Now they’ve been chased out of the market by easy government money and cheap junk from China that can’t meet their promised output and fall apart in a couple of years. On top of that, people who want to install and maintain their own solar power systems can’t get the government subsidies and tax breaks because the programs all require government-certified installers — more cronyism and waste from the libs and greenies.

Socratease on June 17, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Just goes to show, INCOMPETENCE is a hallmark of this administration.

GarandFan on June 17, 2013 at 8:55 PM

This turdbucket deserves a quick march off a short pier.

tom daschle concerned on June 17, 2013 at 8:59 PM

chickasaw42 on June 17, 2013 at 7:18 PM

You are good…but not that good. :-)

coldwarrior on June 17, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Splitting hairs and seconds! ;-{\}

chickasaw42 on June 17, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Look at him, he couldn’t lead Nuns in prayer let alone head the EPA. Where do they find these clowns? A PhD does not mean you can run anything.

major dad on June 17, 2013 at 9:13 PM

DOE was a BAD IDEA when it was cooked up by Jimmah Earl Carter.
He did it to move the pieces around and try to make nuclear weapon stockpile support less demanding on the exchequer. Epic fail.
Lost a lot of cerebral talent in those dismal days of Double Digit Everything BAD.
And we’re left with the present DOE. A department named after ENERGY that hasn’t produced a single kilowatt-hour since it’s inception. And it appears their only talent is to make money dissappear.

An energy GRID requires RELIABLE ENERGY ALL THE TIME.
Our economy DEPENDS on this … FACT.
No matter how you argue the situation, FACTS are hard things that always get in the way. Nicolas Léonard Sadi Carnot explained everything you need to know about 200 years ago.
If you don’t know thermodynamics your arguments regarding energy production are specious.

Missilengr on June 17, 2013 at 9:17 PM

“…pursuing this in many dimensions,”

Absurd language like this is a sure sign of a Bull $hit artist, and one with awful taste.

Chessplayer on June 17, 2013 at 9:19 PM

coldwarrior on June 17, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Nice!

Charlemagne on June 17, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Why it is that our current Energy Secretary insists upon doubling down on the robustly failed policies of our former Energy Secretary?

Because they are institutionally unable to admit they’ve done anything wrong. Has anybody in this administration ever publicly admitted to making a mistake?

Socratease on June 17, 2013 at 8:42 PM

In their minds, they are incapable of error. The mistake was in allowing any energy source but Holy Wind and Holy Sun to exist in the first place.

Their Utopia demands energy that is “morally” clean. If it is limited and weak, so much the better. Man cannot dominate Nature if Nature holds the keys to his energy usage.

They don’t care that people will freeze in winter, because being good little AGW believers, they are certain that Winter is a thing of the past. And besides, they are also devotees of Paul Ehrlich’s “Population Bomb” delusion, so wiping out big chunks of the human race is a good thing, in their worldview.

BTW, this freak’s looks remind me of Melvin Belli. Whom I always regarded as a gibbering dingbat. Based on his seeming determination to prove it, over and over again.

This Hostess Twinkie seems to be out to prove the same thing.

clear ether

eon

eon on June 17, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Moniz: No worries, the DOE is going to keep “aggressively pursuing” more solar energy projects we’re going to keep laundering money through solar businesses that are meant to fail from the get go.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 17, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I keep looking at that guy’s picture … the more I look at it, the more sure I am he was the star of a TV kiddie clown show in the late 50′s/early 60′s …

M240H on June 17, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Solar stocks are the worm farms of the 21st century.

itsspideyman on June 17, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Well, this is the guy who invented the flux capacitor. Maybe we should give him some slack.

BKeyser on June 17, 2013 at 10:08 PM

My Mom told me never to call someone a goofy looking bastard, so I won’t.

Mason on June 17, 2013 at 10:24 PM

A stock that falls from $10 to $0.50 hasn’t skyrocketed just because it rebounds to $1.50.

blink on June 17, 2013 at 8:43 PM
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What, you got something against dead cats bouncing?

Kraken on June 17, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Mason,

You are a real Christian, as is our mother.

materialist on June 17, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Socratease on June 17, 2013 at 8:42 PM

They should know they are in trouble when even the NYT admits there’s a problem

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/business/energy-environment/solar-powers-dark-side.html?pagewanted=all

Solar Industry Anxious Over Defective Panels

LOS ANGELES — The solar panels covering a vast warehouse roof in the sun-soaked Inland Empire region east of Los Angeles were only two years into their expected 25-year life span when they began to fail.

Coatings that protect the panels disintegrated while other defects caused two fires that took the system offline for two years, costing hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost revenues.

It was not an isolated incident. Worldwide, testing labs, developers, financiers and insurers are reporting similar problems and say the $77 billion solar industry is facing a quality crisis just as solar panels are on the verge of widespread adoption.

djaces on June 17, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Does this clown think he’s Alexander Hamilton?

Hummer53 on June 18, 2013 at 12:57 AM

I think this fool doesn’t know that the roots of his hair are sucking too much blood from his brain. Avascular.

philoise65 on June 18, 2013 at 1:19 AM

“There are many situations today when solar is in fact competitive.”

As he fondles a calculator.

98ZJUSMC on June 18, 2013 at 6:06 AM

Judging by the hairstyle , looks like Benjamin Franklin has been reincarnated as a far-left socialist enviro-freak !

cableguy615 on June 18, 2013 at 6:13 AM

The Maestro!!

Sherman1864 on June 18, 2013 at 9:13 AM

“Costs have dropped dramatically. … This is getting very interesting,” he said.

So that “interesting” private venture capitalists are investing dramatically in cheap solar panels to make huge dramatic capitalist pig profits on the sunny wave of the future.

Oh, wait a minute…the private investors are spending their money on natural gas. Gee, I wonder why?

Steve Z on June 18, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Small, speciality applications such as satellite electronics, calculators, emergency call boxes, parking meters, etc.

NOT grid power generation.

blink on June 17, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Ahh, Touche’ blink, I foolishly neglected to take the art of parsing into account.

I’ve repeatedly done the same, objective calculations. The numbers are terrible – even with improving cost drops.

This isn’t rocket science. It’s obvious that political bias is driving all of this.

blink on June 17, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I’ve often wondered, what is the time frame for energy payback on wind and solar? That is to ask, how long do they have to produce to equal the amount of energy it takes to manufacture, transport, and install them? I would bet that people would be shocked at the number.

JusDreamin on June 18, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Another holdout for the return to the 60′s-70′s and the “flower children!”

tomshup on June 18, 2013 at 10:00 AM

They must still have investments in this industry, and pandering to special interests.

lea on June 18, 2013 at 10:35 AM