Open thread: Sunday morning talking heads

posted at 8:01 am on June 16, 2013 by Allahpundit

Suspense this morning on “Fox News Sunday”: Will Dick Cheney seize the opportunity to pull off one of the great trollings in modern political history by claiming that even he thinks Obama’s NSA surveillance has gone too far? I’m praying the answer is yes, simply for the comic agony it would induce in O-bots, but it’s almost certainly no. Our consolation prize is that Cheney surely will say that he supports O on what he’s doing with PRISM and in his very belated decision to join the fight in Syria, which is almost as good. (Dubya himself reportedly reiterated his support for data-mining just a few days ago.)

Politico has the full line-up. Of special note: “This Week” will host an immigration-reform extravaganza with Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and House Gang of Eight member Luis Gutierrez, who once said, “I have only one loyalty and that’s to the immigrant community.” This is who the GOP’s partnering with to pass amnesty.


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The media-Democrat talking point infomercial is on the air!!

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on June 16, 2013 at 8:06 AM

I’m praying

well, so to speak…

I hope he beats up O for not securing the border and having political correctness turn airport security into a bad joke, while needing a record of every time someone orders a pizza…

trubble on June 16, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Of special note: “This Week” will host an immigration-reform extravaganza with Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and House Gang of Eight member Luis Gutierrez,

If it wasn’t the Sabbath, you could get soused by drinking every time one of them said:

Living in the shadows

Can’t deport them all

Must learn English

Must pay back taxes

Go to the back of the line

AND

reproduce like rabbits

Wethal on June 16, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Over the past several years, expediency has taken over where vigilance and defense of the Constitution stood tall.

Little bit, by little bit until all of it became unobtrusive, not seemingly dangerous, not a “real” threat to our being free Americans, in a free Nation.

The 20th Century was marked many many times by fascist dictatorships…and all of them got their start, little bit by little bit…making what was once anathema accepted commonplace.

As a friend related this past week…all this Prism nonsense, all this Patriot Act garbage, all this DoJ and IRS intrusion into our lives, and the Boston Bombers just strolled down Boylston Street.

Apparently our “tipping point” was passed long long ago…

When the citizens are seen as a greater threat to government than our foreign enemies…well, take it from there, folks…

coldwarrior on June 16, 2013 at 8:28 AM

no mccain/grahamnesty duo?
wow

yup cheney will support O’s policies for sure…but I hope he zings him for trashing W during his time as senator…

oh boy, the gop is going to lose election after election if they don’t pass this immigration as it is…
-lib talking head on msdnc…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 8:29 AM

If the jokers the last time got it right, as they billed their efforts, we wouldn’t need ‘reform’ now. Why didn’t they ‘fix’ it all last time around, and what makes anyone believe they’ll get it right this time?

Five years from now, we’ll be revisiting this same issue because it needs ‘reform’.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:31 AM

some idiot just said that he wouldn’t want to go through what the illegal immigrant would have to go through in this bill…umm if you come through legally in the first place you wouldn’t have to…

AMNESTY all the way…the talking point of the day…

scandals? meh, nothing to see here…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 8:31 AM

Five years from now, we’ll be revisiting this same issue because it needs ‘reform’.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:31 AM

guaranteed….probably sooner if its anything like obamacare…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 8:32 AM

no mccain/grahamnesty duo?
wow

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 8:29 AM

They’re probably two of the fifty-three senators who flew out of Washington rather than attend the classified briefing on NSA snooping. The government won’t give us the names of who attended and who skipped town.

Our tax dollars at work.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:34 AM

None of these “experts” have ever factually addressed the this trendy notion that illegal immigrants are to be given much more preference by our law makers than legal immigrants.

coldwarrior on June 16, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:34 AM

yup

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 8:35 AM

Posted this on the overnight thread…It’s a good summary from Breitbart.

““Wag the Dog” is a political strategy in which a national leader starts a military operation to divert negative attention away from himself. In 1997, Hollywood produced a Robert De Niro and Dustin Hoffman movie by the same name about an American President caught up in a sex scandal that decides to start a war in the Balkans to distract the public. Eighteen months later with President Bill Clinton facing a sex scandal, he started a war in the Balkans.

With embattled President Barack Obama facing a scandal about electronic spying on the private lives of almost every voter in America, it should not be surprising that he would make “a decision to provide lethal assistance,” including weapons, ammunition, and air support, to the Syrian rebels. Using wag the dog might have worked in the past, but the mushrooming privacy scandal seems destined to grow.

The White House announced that because the Syrian government used chemical weapons against rebel forces, who are mainly composed of foreign fighters, Syria crossed a “red line” that morally requires the United States to intervene to protect the rebels. In reality, despite substantial U.S. covert military aid, the rebels’ main northern bastion of Aleppo is now cut off from resupply, and the rebels are in danger of being defeated by the Syrian government. The situation is very reminiscent of the U.S. military intervention to institute a no-fly zone to stop loyalist forces of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi from capturing Benghazi and ending the Libyan rebellion.

The real White House crisis is taking place in Hong Kong, where NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden is slowly and artfully revealing the breadth and intrusiveness of the U.S. government’s top secret foreign and domestic surveillance programs. After exposing the National Security Agency’s PRISM program (which gave U.S. government officials easy access to all data held by Google, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, and Skype) to the Guardian and Washington Post newspapers, Snowden revealed National Security Agency documents to Honk Kong’s liberal South China Morning Press. This new information proved the NSA is hacking 61,000 computer systems around the world. The NSA is also actively hacking companies, public officials, individuals, and the Chinese University in Hong Kong.

The timing of the Snowden’s releases of American spying on China happening during the summit with Chinese Premier Xi Jinping has been an unmitigated disaster for the Obama Administration. The Chinese were shocked two weeks ago when the Administration leaked to the U.S. press that the agenda for the summit would be an attempt to restrict China from corporate espionage and theft of intellectual property in America. The hypocrisy of Snowden’s disclosures of intrusive spying on China by the U.S. generated an explosion of anti-American anger in Hong Kong. The city now expects a mass parade this Saturday in support of granting Snowden political asylum.

Bloomberg just reported that thousands of U.S. technology, finance, and manufacturing companies are working closely the with U.S. security agencies to provide sensitive information in return for access to classified intelligence. As an example, Microsoft provides intelligence agencies with prior information about bugs in its popular software.

Larry Page, chief executive officer of Google Inc., claimed he had never heard of a program called PRISM until after Edward Snowden’s disclosures. Although Page swore he would never grant the U.S. government direct access to its servers, Bloomberg sources describe Google as one of the “trusted partners” of the NSA. In fact, the agency’s main surveillance program, called Accumulo, is built on Google’s proprietary BigTable data-base platform.

Accumulo has “fine-grained” access controls and server-side programming mechanisms that can modify data that is written to disk on target data servers. This provides PRISM with “cell-level access labels” that allows their agents to plant a “Trojan-horse” on the machines of almost any computer users.

Google has agreements with the CIA, the FBI, and branches of the U.S. military that gather data useful for intelligence or cyber-warfare units. Company executives are motivated not only to help national defense, but to also gain access to espionage on their foreign competition. Following an attack on his company by Chinese hackers in 2010, Google co-founder and native Russian, Sergey Brin, was provided with highly sensitive government intelligence linking the attack to the People’s Liberation Army of China.

The Obama 2012 re-election campaign relied on Google Chairman Eric Schmidt to recruit talent, choose technology, and coach the campaign on strategy to unify the “Big Data” from vast commercial and political databases that micro-targeted which individual voters were likely to support Obama or be open to his message. They tried to then convert individuals into supporters through personalized contact via Facebook, e-mail, or a knock on the door. Schmidt described the analytics team as “people scientists” who used Big Data to predict “how people will behave when confronted with a choice or a question.” After the election, the analytics team was hired by Google.

The overt intervention of the United States in the Syrian civil war will undoubtedly result in a big spike in the 93,000 dead and over 1.5 million refugees. I have not found anyone who can justify why such military intervention is in America’s national interest. But after eight days of Edward Snowden’s daily revelations of how the Obama Administration eviscerated Americans; personal privacy caused the current Newsweek Magazine cover to be titled “Hit the Road Barack,” a war in Syria may not be enough to distract an unhappy public from the Obama scandals…”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/06/15/WAG-THE-SYRIAN-DOG

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 8:35 AM

The immigration bill is a farce. They will pass this bill and then decide the bill isn’t really fair enough to illegals or something…

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 8:37 AM

None of these “experts” have ever factually addressed the this trendy notion that illegal immigrants are to be given much more preference by our law makers than legal immigrants.

coldwarrior on June 16, 2013 at 8:35 AM

The ‘fact’ is we’re all a bunch of racists, according to them. That’s all they need or want to know.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:38 AM

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 8:37 AM

don’t you know it….

thanks for the linky…will check it out…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Sad, isn’t it. Truly sad.

coldwarrior on June 16, 2013 at 8:39 AM

The immigration bill is a farce. They will pass this bill and then decide the bill isn’t really fair enough to illegals or something…

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 8:37 AM

That’s where the homosexual ‘exclusion’ will come in. And the pork — don’t forget the pork they might have missed putting into it.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Trojan Horse etc. viruses…courtesy of the NSA…

Our Government is in the best of hands.

FORWARD!

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:38 AM

this…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 8:39 AM

The immigration bill is a farce. They will pass this bill and then decide the bill isn’t really fair enough to illegals or something…

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 8:37 AM

That’s where the homosexual ‘exclusion’ will come in. And the pork — don’t forget the pork they might have missed putting into it.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:39 AM

cerdo vado = PigFord

(Sí podemos…indemnización…Suck it amigo)

Yes We Can…Compensation/Reparations…Suck It Anglos!

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 8:44 AM

And…this is important….I want to do the nice thing and wish a Happy Father’s Day to all you dad’s out there…and also extend my best wishes to all those erstwhile NSA headphone wearing men and women who are sitting positions in Ft. Meade and out in Utah and elsewhere and reading this and my other postings.

Nice to know at least somebody is paying attention.

:-)

coldwarrior on June 16, 2013 at 8:46 AM

and also extend my best wishes to all those erstwhile NSA headphone wearing men and women who are sitting positions in Ft. Meade and out in Utah and elsewhere and reading this and my other postings.

Nice to know at least somebody is paying attention.

:-)

coldwarrior on June 16, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Good thing they’re not posting. Can you imagine the twenty of us against 400 more trolls than the lunatics we already have to suffer? :-)

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Living in the shadows

Wethal on June 16, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Or as Mark Levin called it, “hanging around 7-11″

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Accumulo has “fine-grained” access controls and server-side programming mechanisms that can modify data that is written to disk on target data servers. This provides PRISM with “cell-level access labels” that allows their agents to plant a “Trojan-horse” on the machines of almost any computer users.

Remote access to every computer?

Hmmmmm….nifty trick there.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 8:50 AM

2nd that cold warrior

Happy Pop’s Day to all the HA dads out there…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Good thing they’re not posting. Can you imagine the twenty of us against 400 more trolls than the lunatics we already have to suffer? :-)

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Who’s to say the trolls don’t work for NSA?

Steve Eggleston on June 16, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Who’s to say the trolls don’t work for NSA?

Steve Eggleston on June 16, 2013 at 8:51 AM

I don’t believe our trolls have the combined IQ to do the job.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:52 AM

None of these “experts” have ever factually addressed the this trendy notion that illegal immigrants are to be given much more preference by our law makers than legal immigrants.

coldwarrior on June 16, 2013 at 8:35 AM

The ‘fact’ is we’re all a bunch of racists, according to them. That’s all they need or want to know.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Aaaand the greatness of the scheme is it’s never over

Latinos are the New Gay Blacks

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 8:53 AM

some idiot just said that he wouldn’t want to go through what the illegal immigrant would have to go through in this bill…umm if you come through legally in the first place you wouldn’t have to…

AMNESTY all the way…the talking point of the day…

scandals? meh, nothing to see here…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 8:31 AM

Yeah, the poor illegal gets a pass if they have 3 DUIs where a U.S. citizen would be locked up for a felony. And the poor illegal gets a taxpayer funded attorney for just about anything and earned income credit for taking money under the table. Essentially, the poor illegal wins both showcases on the Price is Right.

The biggest scandal is what these traitors are doing to the country, hastening the death of traditional America.

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Aaaand the greatness of the scheme is it’s never over

Latinos are the New Gay Blacks

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 8:53 AM

The the thing with liberals: There is always some new ’cause’ to take up, some new ‘injustice’ to be found and fixed.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 8:56 AM

Details…

“The US National Security Agency is open sourcing a distributed “NoSQL” database based on Google’s proprietary BigTable platform.

Known as Accumulo, the platform has been in development at the NSA for over three years, and it’s built atop Hadoop, the open source distributed file system and distributed number-crunching platform that mimics Google’s internal infrastructure.

Unlike existing BigTable mimics such as HBase [1], Accumolo has “fine-grained” access controls and a new server-side programming mechanism that can modify data that’s written to disk, or returned to the user. Using the cell-level access labels, you can provide external servers with access to some cells in the Accumolo data store but not others.

The NSA believes this may be of interest to government and health care operations and other outfits concerned with privacy. It acknowledges, however, that the access labels do not constitute a “complete security solution”.

As noticed by H Online [2], the NSA has officially proposed [3] Accumulo as an incubator project at Apache. Though the agency has little experience with public open source work, it says that the project has been “treated internally” as an open source project since its inception in 2008.

“We intend to strongly encourage the community to help with and contribute to the code. We will actively seek potential committers and help them become familiar with the codebase,” the agency says. “We do not anticipate difficulty in operating under Apache’s development process.”

It does acknowledges, however, that the project overlaps with HBase.

“Accumulo and HBase are both based on the design of Google’s BigTable, so there is a danger that potential users will have difficulty distinguishing the two or that they will not see an incentive in adopting Accumulo. There are a few key areas in which Accumulo differs from HBase. Some of the desired features of Accumulo could be incorporated into HBase, however the most important of these may be unlikely to be adopted,” the agency continues, referring to both the cell-level access labels and the server-side programming mechanism.

“It is a possibility that the codebases will ultimately converge, but the number of differences at the current time warrants a separate project for Accumulo.”

Google does not open source the software platforms underpinning its internal infrastructure. But in 2004, it published papers describing its GFS distributed file system and its MapReduce distributed number crunching platform, and these gave rise to the independent Hadoop, which resides at Apache. Google’s BigTable paper followed in 2006, and this served as the basis for HBase as well as Acumulo.

According to the NSA, its project now spans over 200,000 lines of (mostly Java) code and hundreds of pages of documentation. It’s built atop not only the core Hadoop platforms, but Apache Zookeeper (a means of managing distributed services) and Thift (a framework for developing services across multiple languages).

At this point, there is no indication that the database platform is part of a top secret NSA mission to plant a trojan horse on the machines of innocent open source mavens across the globe. But we’ll keep you updated. ®…”

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/06/nsa_to_open_source_google_bigtable_like_database/print.html

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 8:58 AM

“On June 13, Congress voted to limit President Obama’s ability to indefinitely detain U.S. citizens who are suspected of terrorism.

By a vote of 214-211, Congress approved an amendment to the 2014 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) saying that “nothing in U.S. law can deny citizens the right to a court hearing.”

Amendment sponsor Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) wanted to resolve the question over whether the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) “gives the president the authority to indefinitely detain terror suspects who are U.S. citizens.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/06/14/Congress-Votes-To-Limit-President-s-Ability-To-Indefinitely-Detain-U-S-Citizens

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:01 AM

lsm’s favorite new gop with candy…mike rodgers…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:02 AM

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2013 at 8:56 AM

yepper…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Well, Chaney just made Snowden the MSM poster boy for patriotic action by calling him “a traitor.”

ExpressoBold on June 16, 2013 at 9:05 AM

rogers defending nsa’s policies

can you assure americans that they are not being listened to-candy
yes, i find it implausible-rogers

LIAR!!!

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:06 AM

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:01 AM

The worrisome thing is that the vote was 214-211. The measure to protect Americans barely squeaked by, though the Constitution and Bill of Rights already spell things out in that area.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Happy Father’s Day Ya’ll…

Biker culture has come to the Vatican.

Pope Francis on Sunday blessed thousands of Harley Davidsons and their riders as the American motorcycle manufacturer celebrated its 110th anniversary with a loud parade and plenty of leather.

Thundering Harley engines nearly drowned out the recitation of the “Our Father” prayer in Latin that accompanied Francis as he greeted the crowd before Mass. In St. Peter’s Square, bikers in their trademark leather Harley vests sat alongside nuns and tens of thousands of faithful Catholics taking part in an unrelated, two-day pro-life rally, the centerpiece of which was Francis’ Mass.

Francis addressed them both after Mass, giving a blessing to the “numerous participants” of the Harley rally.

Tens of thousands of Harley owners from around the world descended on Rome for the anniversary.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/16/biker-culture-comes-to-vatican-as-pope-francis-blesses-hundreds-harley/#ixzz2WNsSkb5t

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:06 AM

ExpressoBold on June 16, 2013 at 9:05 AM

its over then…lsm will focus on that quote from cheney and dear leader is again the teflon president…he gets away with everything that a gop or white dem would be impeached for….

unstinkingbelievable…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:08 AM

rogers defending nsa’s policies

can you assure americans that they are not being listened to-candy
yes, i find it implausible-rogers

LIAR!!!

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Except for the part that the spying is not in dispute.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 9:08 AM

k

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:11 AM

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:01 AM

The worrisome thing is that the vote was 214-211. The measure to protect Americans barely squeaked by, though the Constitution and Bill of Rights already spell things out in that area.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Yeah.

I’d like to see the explanations as to why Twenty-one Republicans voted against the amendment, while only three Democrats voted for it.

Since containment camps originates with FDR Camp Japanese during WWII…It’s easy to see why only 3 democrats voted for the bill.

Fascism is revealing isn’t it.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:12 AM

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Think that’ll tone things down a bit out in Sturgis???

coldwarrior on June 16, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Well, Chaney just made Snowden the MSM poster boy for patriotic action by calling him “a traitor.”

ExpressoBold on June 16, 2013 at 9:05 AM

This is a shocking development…

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:13 AM

So, I guess the IRS targeting conservatives, (and others), for over two years is no longer newsworthy? Bravo pundits!

(spits profusely)

Rovin on June 16, 2013 at 9:14 AM

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:06 AM

What I find telling is that Democrat liberals make a false assertion, then get GOP liberals to give them ‘credibility’. Or, as my parents used to say, “One lies and the other swears to it.”

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Think that’ll tone things down a bit out in Sturgis???

coldwarrior on June 16, 2013 at 9:12 AM

It’s a Hoot…Score for Harley!

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 9:15 AM

indeed

Rovin on June 16, 2013 at 9:14 AM

good job lapdog media…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:17 AM

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Little bit, by each little bit, anathema becomes accepted commonplace…even so-called conservatives are eager to support the new order, it seems.

Why any bill passed in Congress needs to instruct the President about the limits of Constitutional power, at this lat stage of the game…but, Obama did tell the graduating class of Ohio State “They’ll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices.

And the bands played, people applauded, and rejoiced in the wisdom that is Obama…

coldwarrior on June 16, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Saw a show on FNC last night about privacy. It included a segment about how the BO reelection campaign used internet data to target voters. So, either they bought the info from tech companies (or it was “donated” to the campaign), or they just took it from the vast trove being collected in the name of “national security.” Think about that.

Syzygy on June 16, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Rovin on June 16, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Even though it actually happened, liberals are still going to say we’re just a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists. They have their minds made up, and that’s as far as they’re willing to take it. The truth be hanged.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 9:19 AM

we have more border security than ever before
-menendez

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Saw a show on FNC last night about privacy. It included a segment about how the BO reelection campaign used internet data to target voters. So, either they bought the info from tech companies (or it was “donated” to the campaign), or they just took it from the vast trove being collected in the name of “national security.” Think about that.
Syzygy on June 16, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Give me a break. They’re not that stupid. Some of you guys have really gone off the deep end in hysterically freaking out over the anti-terrorism surveillance programs

bluegill on June 16, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 9:19 AM

spot on

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Do people still watch these sh*t Sunday morning shows anymore? I stopped years ago. They’re like a Groundhog Day rerun of a hackneyed episode of a bad hackneyed TV series. If a single Republican in the history of the universe ever decided to confront one the Lefty automaton hosts and make it interesting… but alas, that would be a violation of the sacred and ironclad code of credulous and gutless decorum that governs the GOP unto death (which isn’t that far off).

rrpjr on June 16, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Even though it actually happened, liberals are still going to say we’re just a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists. They have their minds made up, and that’s as far as they’re willing to take it. The truth be hanged.
Liam on June 16, 2013 at 9:19 AM

It’s not just liberals who say some of you are loony, paranoid conspiracy theorists. It’s one thing to have valid concerns about the need for proper oversight, but it’s another thing to start running around shrieking, “police state!”

bluegill on June 16, 2013 at 9:24 AM

bluegill on June 16, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Ummm…no. “Hysterical” is saying the same thing with the same buzzwords for more than a week, over and over and in every post, when no one listened the first time.

“Shrill” is another word that comes to mind.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 9:24 AM

bluegill on June 16, 2013 at 9:24 AM

From among the imprisoned masses, a kapo is born.

coldwarrior on June 16, 2013 at 9:26 AM

bluegill on June 16, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Really? So, what innocuous explanation am I missing?

Syzygy on June 16, 2013 at 9:27 AM

bluegill on June 16, 2013 at 9:21 AM
bluegill on June 16, 2013 at 9:24 AM

.
I withhold judgment on your comments until I hear more from President Romney… oh, wait, Ø won? Again?
.
Let’s go fishin’…

ExpressoBold on June 16, 2013 at 9:28 AM

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Little bit, by each little bit, anathema becomes accepted commonplace…even so-called conservatives are eager to support the new order, it seems.

Why any bill passed in Congress needs to instruct the President about the limits of Constitutional power, at this lat stage of the game…but, Obama did tell the graduating class of Ohio State “They’ll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices.”

And the bands played, people applauded, and rejoiced in the wisdom that is Obama…

coldwarrior on June 16, 2013 at 9:17 AM

We have adopted the European Style of redundancy laws…This is how the EU operates.

They continually pass EU laws and don’t tell the citizens. Many of these EU laws contradict the laws of member nations…sound familiar?

Citizens break laws they had no idea were in place…And the Heritage Foundation is tracking citizens caught in legal snafus in this country.

We have also adopted the EU practice of secretive committees to draft omnibus special interest legislation that representatives don’t even bother to read while Bureaucrats aka Apparatchiki continue to subvert congressional oversight in freewheelin’ regulations aimed at citizens, businesses,regional industry that oppose political agenda…or maybe the target just reminds the apparatchik of someone they hated in the 3rd grade.

The Bureaucratic Official

* He is personally free and appointed to his position on the basis of conduct.
* He exercises the authority delegated to him in accordance with impersonal rules, and his loyalty is enlisted on behalf of the faithful execution of his official duties.
* His appointment and job placement are dependent upon his technical qualifications.
* His administrative work is a full-time occupation.
* His work is rewarded by a regular salary and prospects of advancement in a lifetime career.
* He must exercise his judgment and his skills, but his duty is to place these at the service of a higher authority. Ultimately he is responsible only for the impartial execution of assigned tasks and must sacrifice his personal judgment if it runs counter to his official duties.
* Bureaucratic control is the use of rules, regulations, and formal authority to guide performance. It includes such things as budgets, statistical reports, and performance appraisals to regulate behavior and results. – Max Weber

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:29 AM

They continually pass EU laws and don’t tell the citizens. Many of these EU laws contradict the laws of member nations…sound familiar?

Citizens break laws they had no idea were in place…And the Heritage Foundation is tracking citizens caught in legal snafus in this country.

It’s a great revenue scheme…kinda like those quaint speed traps.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:30 AM

coldwarrior on June 16, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Nobody could write a digest of today any better than you just did.

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:06 AM
cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:21 AM
we have more border security than ever before
-menendez

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Do I know you? I swear you are some judge I came before.

Speaking of which, the administration has largely lost Judge Judy. Good think Oprah is off the air or we could be on the very cusp of a real insurrection.

IlikedAUH2O on June 16, 2013 at 9:31 AM

bluegill on June 16, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Romney 2016! Keep Hope Alive!

rrpjr on June 16, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Give me a break. They’re not that stupid. Some of you guys have really gone off the deep end in hysterically freaking out over the anti-terrorism surveillance programs

bluegill on June 16, 2013 at 9:21 AM

The left believes in “the ends justify the means”. The left has no respect for the law, our privacy, the Constitution, or me, or you. They will do whatever is necessary to accomplish their goals. It’s mindsets like yours that have allowed to win and cram their hideous agenda down our throats.

You are either very naive, very stupid or a liberal.

darwin on June 16, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Saw a show on FNC last night about privacy. It included a segment about how the BO reelection campaign used internet data to target voters. So, either they bought the info from tech companies (or it was “donated” to the campaign), or they just took it from the vast trove being collected in the name of “national security.” Think about that.

Syzygy on June 16, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Google hired Obama’s entire election analytic team. It’s built into Googles platform.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Rovin on June 16, 2013 at 9:14 AM
Even though it actually happened, liberals are still going to say we’re just a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists. They have their minds made up, and that’s as far as they’re willing to take it. The truth be hanged.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Liberals will be more than happy to ignore this Liam, but I sometimes wonder what’s more egregious; the NSA data-mining all transmissions to seek out terrorist, or an agency of the Federal Government, (with more direct power over every American Citizen), literally ripping the guts out of anyone with a political opposition to this current administration’s policies? Who’s more collectively harmed? And more importantly, why aren’t people being fired or going to jail. And the liberals (and the media) that think this was an “isolated incident” are fools.

Rovin on June 16, 2013 at 9:34 AM

IlikedAUH2O on June 16, 2013 at 9:31 AM

howdy neighbor :)

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Give me a break. They’re not that stupid. Some of you guys have really gone off the deep end in hysterically freaking out over the anti-terrorism surveillance programs

bluegill on June 16, 2013 at 9:21 AM

The left believes in “the ends justify the means”. The left has no respect for the law, our privacy, the Constitution, or me, or you. They will do whatever is necessary to accomplish their goals. It’s mindsets like yours that have allowed to win and cram their hideous agenda down our throats.

You are either very naive, very stupid or a liberal.

darwin on June 16, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Yep!

Most folks are gonna shut down…cause they can’t handle the possibility congnitively….They all won’t be ignorant progressives either.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Saw a show on FNC last night about privacy. It included a segment about how the BO reelection campaign used internet data to target voters. So, either they bought the info from tech companies (or it was “donated” to the campaign), or they just took it from the vast trove being collected in the name of “national security.” Think about that.

Syzygy on June 16, 2013 at 9:18 AM

Yup. As Maxine Waters stated…

“The President has put in place an organization with the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life,” Representative Maxine Waters told Roland Martin on Monday.

“That’s going to be very, very powerful,” Waters said. “That database will have information about everything on every individual on ways that it’s never been done before and whoever runs for President on the Democratic ticket has to deal with that. They’re going to go down with that database and the concerns of those people because they can’t get around it. And he’s [President Obama] been very smart. It’s very powerful what he’s leaving in place.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/maxine-waters-obama-has-put-in-place-secret-database-with-everything-on-everyone-video/

Every once in a while someone on the left slips and tells the truth.

Fallon on June 16, 2013 at 9:35 AM

some npr hack–the irs case is not the most important case of the last 6 years…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:35 AM

candy does not have 1 gop on her panel this am…she usually has at least one…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM

You are either very naive, very stupid or a liberal.

darwin on June 16, 2013 at 9:33 AM

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I was thinking of some elegant, pithy way of saying this exact thing about fishy and you phrased it perfectly! Thank you!

ExpressoBold on June 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM

bluegill on June 16, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Don’t insult me again, sport.

I was paranoid about those guys long before this came out.

This was real for some:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMO72KRoL4Y

IlikedAUH2O on June 16, 2013 at 9:37 AM

” Someone is watching you.

What you spend. Where you eat. Who you call. Where you travel. What you Google. What you give to charity.

Recent reports of government access to records from phone companies, Internet providers and credit card companies raise anew questions of just how much other people can know about you, especially in the age of the Internet and high technology.

They watch from the air, from cameras, from computers. And you help them, volunteering vast amounts of information about yourself in the magnetic stripe on the back of your credit card, the SIM card in your phone, the sites you visit on the Internet.

The government has access to some of it. And might have access to more from the vast corporations that compile it…”

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/13/193487/the-government-is-watching.html#storylink=cpy

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:40 AM

some npr hack–the irs case is not the most important case of the last 6 years…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Obfuscation…It’s what’s for Breakfast

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:41 AM

candy does not have 1 gop on her panel this am…she usually has at least one…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Maybe the RINOS in the US bathe early Sunday morning before the water gets too low and hot.

And that is why she can’t fit in.

IlikedAUH2O on June 16, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Sessions Drop Kicks Gang of 8

“Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) said Sunday morning that the credibility of the “Gang of Eight” immigration bill sponsors is in question as the truth about the bill continues to come out.

“When the Gang of Eight first announced their immigration bill they declared it was the toughest enforcement plan in history,” Sessions said in a statement, pointing to a release on the website of Gang of Eight member Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL). “They declared enforcement would come before legalization. And they declared that anyone who suggested otherwise didn’t know what they were talking about.”

Sessions noted that now that the bill’s facts keep coming under scrutiny, especially now that it is in the spotlight on the Senate floor, the Gang of Eight’s original promises are proving have been not based in fact.

“Now the bill has been reviewed and there can be no dispute: it weakens current law, undermines future enforcement and puts amnesty–not enforcement–first,” Sessions said…”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/15/Sen-Sessions-Credibility-of-immigration-bill-sponsors-is-in-question

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:45 AM

IlikedAUH2O on June 16, 2013 at 9:42 AM

heh

now more christie love because he joined clinton instead of going to the faith and freedom conference…yes the lsm love him big time…

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 9:46 AM

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Thank God for Jeff Sessions.

rrpjr on June 16, 2013 at 9:47 AM

“Jodie Evans, 2008 Obama bundler and co-founder of the leftist anti-American group Code Pink, is in Yemen this week campaigning against the United States’ efforts in fighting the war on terror. This is in keeping with Code Pink’s decade-long history of working with terrorists and state sponsors of terrorism against the United States…”

Link is busted but Breitbart Big Gubmint reported it.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Thank God for Jeff Sessions.

rrpjr on June 16, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Yeah.

He’s Righteous on this.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:48 AM

You are either very naive, very stupid or a liberal.

darwin on June 16, 2013 at 9:33 AM

I was thinking of some elegant, pithy way of saying this exact thing about fishy and you phrased it perfectly! Thank you!

ExpressoBold on June 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM

I’ll show what I think is an even pithier description of bluegshrill:

“You are either very naive, very stupid or a liberal as well

Anti-Control on June 16, 2013 at 9:51 AM

US sent 300 troops to Syrian border.

“The United States said on Saturday it would keep F-16 fighters and Patriot missiles in Jordan at Amman’s request, and Russia bristled at the possibility they could be used to enforce a no-fly zone inside Syria.

Washington, which has long called for President Bashar al-Assad to step down, pledged military support to Syrian rebels this week, citing what it said was the Syrian military’s use of chemical weapons – an allegation Damascus has denied.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has approved a Jordanian request for American F-16s and Patriot missiles to remain in the Western-backed kingdom after a joint military exercise there next week, a Pentagon spokesman said…”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/16/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE95C16L20130616?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 9:52 AM

I wonder if Marco and fellow traitors will discuss this today:

Open borders mob descends on home of Kansas Secretary of State

For a palate cleanser for those who have the stomach to watch Jeb and puppet Marco Levin finally calls Rubio a liar (in a round about way)

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Well, Chaney just made Snowden the MSM poster boy for patriotic action by calling him “a traitor.”

ExpressoBold on June 16, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Cheney is the real traitor, only of a different sort.

rickv404 on June 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM

TxAnn56 on June 16, 2013 at 9:57 AM

crickets…

as well as crickets on IRS scandal….

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 10:01 AM

grahamnesty with gregory…

WH policy-’don’t be bush’ policy

cmsinaz on June 16, 2013 at 10:03 AM

B9 will play rogerb for a moment.

The truth is, many conservatives are rather embarrassed that she has received so much attention, and I believe they’d prefer that she was replaced with different, more capable conservative voices.
bluegill on July 28, 2012 at 8:58 AM

name someone more capable. go ahead I’ll wait
unseen on July 28, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, just to name a few.

bluegill on July 28, 2012 at 9:16 AM

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THE BACK-STABBING, AMNESTY-PUSHING FRAUD THAT IS MARCO RUBIO.

We must defeat this phony.

bluegill on June 14, 2013 at 8:07 PM

bazil9 on June 16, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Happy Fathers Day to all the HA Dads. Hope you have a great day.

gophergirl on June 16, 2013 at 10:06 AM

It’s not just liberals who say some of you are loony, paranoid conspiracy theorists. It’s one thing to have valid concerns about the need for proper oversight, but it’s another thing to start running around shrieking, “police state!”

bluegill on June 16, 2013 at 9:24 AM

A little history reminder for you

First they came for the communists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Catholic.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

gophergirl on June 16, 2013 at 10:10 AM

gophergirl on June 16, 2013 at 10:10 AM

They then came for the bluefish.
I won’t speak out because I ain’t no panfish.

She won’t mind..her philosophy. Off to the chum factory.

bazil9 on June 16, 2013 at 10:16 AM

The lineup on the shows sounds like “let’s talk about anything BUT spying on AMericans.”

PattyJ on June 16, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Just saw Karl Rove on FNS compare the NSA phone record keeping as the same as what local cops do to investigate crimes. That since its on all the crime drama tv shows why is anyone upset? Aka how can you watch those shows and be upset at the NSA scandal. He’s comparing TV SHOWS to real gov spying…

What amuses me is that I’ve quit watching many of these shows because of some of the law breaking they show federal agents or cops when it comes to warrants/info.

oryguncon on June 16, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Happy Father’s Day to ALL dads!!!!

CW on June 16, 2013 at 10:28 AM

bluegill on June 14, 2013

You’re naive.

CW on June 16, 2013 at 10:29 AM

You’re naive.

CW on June 16, 2013 at 10:29 AM

You’re being too nice – let me fix it for you:

“[bluegshrill] You’re naive incredibly stupid.”

:)

Anti-Control on June 16, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Cheney is the real traitor, only of a different sort.

rickv404 on June 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM

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He’s far less a traitor than Ø is a traitor, such as yourself, rickvPageNotFound

ExpressoBold on June 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Luis Gutierrez … “I have only one loyalty and that’s to the immigrant community.” This is who the GOP’s partnering with to pass amnesty.

Paul Ryan’s buddy. The GOP is dead to me.

Yesterday on Larry Kudlow’s radio show, two (unnamed, but friendly) guests were lamenting with Kudlow how the perfectly logical and sensible comprehensive amnesty bill brought out the worst in the GOP’s kook fringe players, who do not represent most Republicans on this issue.

As AP would say … terrific.

Jaibones on June 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM

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