Nadler: NSA told us analysts can conduct warrantless wiretapping; Update: Nadler retracts

posted at 12:31 pm on June 16, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

For most of the last week, the US intelligence and law-enforcement communities have insisted that the controversy over the NSA surveillance programs has been overblown and overhyped.  Not according to Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), who attended a briefing this week and pronounced himself “rather startled” by the disclosures.  CNet’s Declan McCullagh reported yesterday that Nadler claimed the NSA admitted to domestic phone tapping without warrants, and also said the NSA allows low-level analysts to approve such intrusions:

The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed this week that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed “simply based on an analyst deciding that.”

If the NSA wants “to listen to the phone,” an analyst’s decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. “I was rather startled,” said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee.

Not only does this disclosure shed more light on how the NSA’s formidable eavesdropping apparatus works domestically, it also suggests the Justice Department has secretly interpreted federal surveillance law to permit thousands of low-ranking analysts to eavesdrop on phone calls.

Because the same legal standards that apply to phone calls also apply to e-mail messages, text messages, and instant messages, Nadler’s disclosure indicates the NSA analysts could also access the contents of Internet communications without going before a court and seeking approval.

Congress believed it had proscribed this option in its 2008 revamping of the FISA laws, which then-Senator Barack Obama supported.  The law forbids the NSA or any other intelligence agency from targeting “US persons” without a warrant.  However, McCullagh reports that the NSA may have another interpretation of that clause:

A requirement of the 2008 law is that the NSA “may not intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be located in the United States.” A possible interpretation of that language, some legal experts said, is that the agency may vacuum up everything it can domestically — on the theory that indiscriminate data acquisition was not intended to “target” a specific American citizen.

There is also the question about the difference between storing and actually listening to the calls.  The NSA might be recording and storing a wide range of phone calls (and Internet activity) without actually perusing it.  The theory goes that the NSA would not bother to listen to these calls unless they had a reason to do so, at which point they would seek a FISA court order to search through the calls.  But that may be a chicken-egg question: do they suspect something based on external intelligence, or do they run sophisticated search functions within the stored data that ends up highlighting suspicious activity?  And what kind of oversight gets exercised over the decision to add a domestic phone number to the recording queue?  According to Nadler, at least, those decisions are made on a low level with little oversight at all.

One point of skepticism has been the sheer scope of domestic traffic, both phone and Internet, and the cost of storing it.  McCullagh points us to an analysis conducted by Brewster Kahle, founder of the Internet Archive, which estimates the technological cost of storing recordings of all domestic calls in a year at the surprisingly low cost of $27 million.  That’s just the storage costs, of course; the programs needed to perform searches, the personnel costs, and all of the security efforts would make that price tag go up.  It’s not exactly a budget-buster to do, though, despite what people might assume.

So is that what happens — the NSA stores all the data, but doesn’t search it without specific warrants, and therefore considers itself within the law?  The Washington Post sheds a little more light on that question with a look back at a now-famous standoff between the FBI and the Bush administration:

The legal challenge for the NSA was that its practice of collecting high volumes of data from digital links did not seem to meet even the relatively low requirements of Bush’s authorization, which allowed collection of Internet metadata “for communications with at least one communicant outside the United States or for which no communicant was known to be a citizen of the United States,” the NSA inspector general’s report said.

Lawyers for the agency came up with an interpretation that said the NSA did not “acquire” the communications, a term with formal meaning in surveillance law, until analysts ran searches against it. The NSA could “obtain” metadata in bulk, they argued, without meeting the required standards for acquisition.

Goldsmith and Comey did not buy that argument, and a high-ranking U.S. intelligence official said the NSA does not rely on it today.

As soon as surveillance data “touches us, we’ve got it, whatever verbs you choose to use,” the official said in an interview. “We’re not saying there’s a magic formula that lets us have it without having it.”

When Comey finally ordered a stop to the program, Bush signed an order renewing it anyway. Comey, Goldsmith, FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III and most of the senior Bush appointees in the Justice Department began drafting letters of resignation.

Then-NSA Director Michael V. Hayden was not among them. According to the inspector general’s classified report, Cheney’s lawyer, Addington, placed a phone call and “General Hayden had to decide whether NSA would execute the Authorization without the Attorney General’s signature.” He decided to go along.

The following morning, when Mueller told Bush that he and Comey intended to resign, the president reversed himself.

Three months later, on July 15, the secret surveillance court allowed the NSA to resume bulk collection under the court’s own authority. The opinion, which remains highly classified, was based on a provision of electronic surveillance law, known as “pen register, trap and trace,” that was written to allow law enforcement officers to obtain the phone numbers of incoming and outgoing calls from a single telephone line.

When the NSA aims for foreign targets whose communications cross U.S. infrastructure, it expects to sweep in some American content “incidentally” or “inadvertently,” which are terms of art in regulations governing the NSA. Contact chaining, because it extends to the contacts of contacts of targets, inevitably collects even more American data.

Intelligence committee members have insisted that the NSA programs are conducted with plenty of oversight, and the controversy may still turn out to be hyperventilating over relatively minor issues of scope.  However, it’s at least clear that Congress hasn’t exercised enough oversight on these programs, and that most of them still don’t know what the NSA is really doing.

Update (AP): Did the NSA really say in a classified briefing that it can listen in on calls without a warrant, or did Nadler simply get confused? Here’s his new statement to BuzzFeed:

“I am pleased that the administration has reiterated that, as I have always believed, the NSA cannot listen to the content of Americans’ phone calls without a specific warrant.”

Read the transcript of his exchange with Mueller to see where he erred. The NSA told him that they could get “specific information” about a suspicious phone number without a FISA warrant. Nadler somehow took that to mean that they could tap that phone number and listen in. As Kevin Drum and Julian Sanchez noted last night, though, “specific information” may simply have meant metadata and phone records for the number, not the actual contents of phone calls. To actually tap a line, they need FISA approval. That’s what Mueller was trying to tell him.

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You are going to rue the removal of my post which called the whistleblowing traitor a Patriot.

IlikedAUH2O on June 16, 2013 at 12:34 PM

And NDAA allows the govt to throw you in a van and lock you up forever on a whim. Because, you know, terrorists and all.

Akzed on June 16, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Secret intepretations of law is the hallmark of big government…Americans are under attack by its government. What are we going to do about it?

d1carter on June 16, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Intelligence committee members have insisted that the NSA programs are conducted with plenty of oversight,…

Bluegill smiles…

However, it’s at least clear that Congress hasn’t exercised enough oversight on these programs,…

Bluegill changes the subject to immigration…

Electrongod on June 16, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Welcome to Obama’s police state bluegill and libtardnotfree, HAL and all the idiots who brung/kept the illegitimate president.

In his second term Obama won like Putin and Chavez.

The entire US gov’t is rogue, from the left to the right. The right enable these charlatanic thugs. Thus, they are even more culpable.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Intelligence committee members have insisted that the NSA programs are conducted with plenty of oversight, and the controversy may still turn out to be hyperventilating over relatively minor issues of scope.

Wrong. You cannot call the operation of a program which can, and is, be used for political persecution with oversight by those that benefit exclusively by it as a legitimate program.

You may as well say that organized crime is legitimate because it is being overseen by the Mob.

BobMbx on June 16, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Electrongod on June 16, 2013 at 12:37 PM

when everybody ignored it…she left for weeks!…now they are feeding it bread balls…she is encouraged again!

KOOLAID2 on June 16, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Iran send 1000 troops to help Asaad.

Obama falls for Clinton calling him a sissy, then goes golfing.

The Missing in Chief is a pathetic piece of shit for who’s big waging dog lots of blood and treasure will be lost.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM

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Akzed on June 16, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed this week that during a secret briefing to members of Congress..

Or, a not-so-secret briefing. At least he attended. I’ve got emails into my representatives to find out if any of them were briefed – or if they decided to skip town for an extended weekend.

Hill60 on June 16, 2013 at 12:42 PM

We have always been at war with Eastasia

AT&T to Load iPhones With Emergency Alerts From Obama – That You Can’t Switch Off

These are government-issued safety messages that include AMBER Alerts, emergency alerts – such as man-made or natural disasters, and Presidential alerts.

Notice that emergency alerts and Presidential alerts are mentioned independently. Any argument about how a presidential alert would be for emergencies is destroyed by the mention of “emergency alerts”. So what, exactly, is a Presidential alert? The most sad part of this is that we actually distrust the government so much that we question something that should really be benign. Its their fault, not ours.

Resistance is futile.

BobMbx on June 16, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Wake up America and world.

Obama stands for two things, only two:

1. His own power

2. The success of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM

What does the NSA spend per year to fund the astronomical amount of legalese parsing needed to allow the agency to tap info from anyone/any way/anywhere/anytime?

ROCnPhilly on June 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Jerry Nadler–This week’s poster boy for Affirmative Action in the government.

vityas on June 16, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Nadler: “I was rather startled.”

Sure you were. Nadsack is a commie, and most assuredly supports warrantless wiretapping of American citizens, whether he’ll admit it or not.

UltimateBob on June 16, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Transparency a la Obama “I will further the Muzzie Brotherhood in your faces, fools”.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Nadler: NSA told us analysts can conduct warrantless wiretapping

We all should have seen this coming.

joekenha on June 16, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Intelligence committee members have insisted that the NSA programs are conducted with plenty of oversight, and the controversy may still turn out to be hyperventilating over relatively minor issues of scope

Yeah and so does the IRS!!

watertown on June 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM

What does the NSA spend per year to fund the astronomical amount of legalese parsing needed to allow the agency to tap info from anyone/any way/anywhere/anytime? ROCnPhilly on June 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM

The US insists call data is not private information, but critics say it allows government to build detailed picture of individuals’ lives.

Which I guess means, by default, it’s the govt’s property.

Akzed on June 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Obama stands for two things, only two:

1. His own power

2. The success of the Muslim Brotherhood Radical Islam.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Fixed that for ya, bro.

Oh, and you might want to add the destruction of America to that list.

UltimateBob on June 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Wait a minute…didn’t Snowden say that he could do this..?

d1carter on June 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Which I guess means, by default, it’s the govt’s property.

Akzed on June 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM

As well as you, physically. And by default everything you do, say, think, dream, or pray for is also government property.

Without the state, there is nothing.

BobMbx on June 16, 2013 at 12:48 PM

Well, if they don’t need a warrant, what happens to that much-ballyhooed ‘oversight’ I keep hearing about? Who needs oversight when government can do what it wants despite the Constitution and Bill of Rights?

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 12:49 PM

AT&T to Load iPhones With Emergency Alerts From Obama – That You Can’t Switch Off

So, don’t text while driving, unless the government approves?

lorien1973 on June 16, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Who needs oversight when government can do what it wants despite the Constitution and Bill of Rights?

We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.

lorien1973 on June 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Justice Department has secretly interpreted federal surveillance law to permit thousands of low-ranking analysts to eavesdrop…

Rogue and out of control.

petefrt on June 16, 2013 at 12:51 PM

So if the POTUS can push messages to our phones, then can he get info from our phones as well..?

d1carter on June 16, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Justice Department has secretly interpreted federal surveillance law to permit thousands of low-ranking analysts to eavesdrop…

Rogue and out of control.

petefrt on June 16, 2013 at 12:51 PM

If Congress was really intent on serving the people and protecting the Constitution, that would be the only fact needed to instantly shutdown the NSA programs.

Unfortunately, that’s not the case.

BobMbx on June 16, 2013 at 12:53 PM

So if the POTUS can push messages to our phones, then can he get info from our phones as well..? d1carter on June 16, 2013 at 12:51 PM

You got it bass ackwards but yes.

Akzed on June 16, 2013 at 12:53 PM

So if the POTUS can push messages to our phones, then can he get info from our phones as well..?

d1carter on June 16, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Erh…..yes? See: PRISM, NSA, Snowden, etc….

BobMbx on June 16, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Of course they’re tapping and reading and watching and surveilling everything they want to, because they can. Not because it helps or even protects.

John the Libertarian on June 16, 2013 at 12:59 PM

If the NSA wants “to listen to the phone,” an analyst’s decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned.

Information is missing in this. What decision? This is kind of a nothing-burger if the decision is just that the people involved are foreign.

Count to 10 on June 16, 2013 at 1:02 PM

ObamaPhone message to recipients… beginning of November 2012: GO VOTE or LOSE YOUR PHONES!

KOOLAID2 on June 16, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Intelligence committee members have insisted that the NSA programs are conducted with plenty of oversight, and the controversy may still turn out to be hyperventilating over relatively minor issues of scope. However, it’s at least clear that Congress hasn’t exercised enough oversight on these programs, and that most of them still don’t know what the NSA is really doing.

The question might not be “oversight” but legality, transparency being the biggest Obama myth and charlatanry.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:04 PM

How was the NSA information used in the Obama re-election is the BIG question!!!

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:04 PM

. What are we going to do about it?

d1carter on June 16, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Re-elect the GOP which is complicit in controlling we little peons. If they speak against it–that merely is election time talking points after which they then can do the same thing that got us here, according to their grand plan. No wonder they hate the tea party, Sarah Palin, and Cruz….

Don L on June 16, 2013 at 1:05 PM

We are fast approaching at the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.

lorien1973 on June 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Don L on June 16, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Yep, that is my point. Our government is attacking Americans and the GOP is complicit.

d1carter on June 16, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Is there anyone left that thinks the White House was NOT listening in on Governor Romney’s presidential campaign phone calls and emails?

slickwillie2001 on June 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM

“There is no controlling legal authority that says this was in violation of law.”
– Al Gore, seven times (in one form or another), White House news conference, March 3

Gore meant that some years ago regarding his use of government phones to solicit contributions to Democrats, but the same sick mindset applies here.

There is a controlling legal authority — the Supreme Law of the Land. It’s called the Constitution, backed up by the Bill of Rights.

Remember — an analyst can conduct a wiretap just because he feels like it. That means, to me, anyone with the clearance can gain the access. I imagine that’s quite a lot of people.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM

We are fast approaching at the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule and resistance by brute force.

lorien1973 on June 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:06 PM

I would add that as well.

VegasRick on June 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM

So if the POTUS can push messages to our phones, then can he get info from our phones as well..?

d1carter on June 16, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Likely.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:13 PM

So if the POTUS can push messages to our phones, then can he get info from our phones as well..?

d1carter on June 16, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Think of it as a convenience. No matter where you are or what you are doing, you won’t miss the REB’s weekly address.

slickwillie2001 on June 16, 2013 at 1:14 PM

“There is no controlling legal authority that says this was in violation of law.”
– Al Gore, seven times (in one form or another), White House news conference, March 3

Gore meant that some years ago regarding his use of government phones to solicit contributions to Democrats, but the same sick mindset applies here.

There is a controlling legal authority — the Supreme Law of the Land. It’s called the Constitution, backed up by the Bill of Rights.

Remember — an analyst can conduct a wiretap just because he feels like it. That means, to me, anyone with the clearance can gain the access. I imagine that’s quite a lot of people.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past. – George Orwell 1984

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Is there anyone left that thinks the White House was NOT listening in on Governor Romney’s presidential campaign phone calls and emails?

slickwillie2001 on June 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Memba this?

“Conservative’s simmering anger has been focused on questions about where the $17 million Targeted Victory received for handling online duties that included online advertising, online infrastructure, renting e-mail lists, prospecting for new donors, and other outreach efforts.

“There are costs in building out a massive digital presence,” Moffatt said. The digital effort also helped build “assets that will be in place to help the Republican Party for years to come,” he said.

Eric Frenchman, a search and online specialist at Campaign Solutions, said the campaign was slow to react online to advertising, rallies or mistakes by Obama and Democrats, squandering opportunities to distinguish Romney in a positive way from his opponent.

“They didn’t look like they had experience in running digital advertising,” Frenchman said. “When Romney really destroyed President Obama in the first debate, they had no changes to their website.”

Moffatt said glitches in Orca, which tracked voter outreach and actual votes, can’t be blamed for the failure of the campaign, adding that his team’s work garnered 38 million visitors to the campaign website, 59 million volunteer contacts, a big rise in small-dollar donations and raised $65 million dollars in October alone online.

“I know we ran the most sophisticated and aggressive digital campaign in the history of Republican politics,” Moffatt said. “We had the resources we needed to be competitive,” he said, adding, “We’re very happy with the way the program ran digitally.”

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workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:20 PM

This story is not a squirrel.

I want to repeat that for all those who think this story is a distraction, well it is not. This story goes to the fundamental core of this nation, which is:

(1) Do we have a constitution or not
(2) Do we have open or secret courts

We are destroying our way of life for “protection”. Protection is not always a good thing. The Mafia offers protection for a price. So does communism and fascism. Religious fanatics always claim to be protecting the people’s souls. Monarchs also claim to protect their subjects.

What the NSA is doing will at some point destroy this republic we have by giving too much power and information to the executive branch. This info can be used by the executive branch blackmail the legislative and judicial branches of government. It can be used to stifle free speech. It can used to create lists of those who own guns or to take away those guns. It can used to harass and to control every aspect of your life. It will happen slowly at first, in a creeping fashion, because most in the legislative branch are not smart enough to understand the technology involved and therefore can’t do proper oversight, but because they have a high opinion of themselves (not a humble group of people) many cannot bring themselves to admit that. As for the people (us common Americans), they are even more in the dark.

That is why we must ditch this program, and all programs the NSA has like it, at least until we can set up independent oversight by knowledgeable people in high end technology who are accountable to the legislative and judicial branch and not the executive branch. We have no choice. We must lose some protection so that we can protect something even more precious….our freedoms.

That is the whole point of having this country in the first place is it not?

William Eaton on June 16, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Or this?

“Peter Pasi, a search specialist who worked on former Sen. Rick Santorum’s bid for the Republican nomination, says the entire party needs to look at overhauling its data infrastructure. It’s a problem that doesn’t reside with one consultant or one company, but one that goes back to before the 2008 cycle. “Republicans feel like they’ve been kicked in the teeth twice now on digital.”

“The reality doesn’t match the hype,” Pasi said. “The Romney spokespeople talked a big game and didn’t play it. The Obama people played a big game and didn’t talk about it.”

Its hard to make the case that digital advertising was dispositive in the election, considering the vast sums spent on television advertising. Romney’s campaign team never seemed to be able to shake off the narrative of the candidate as representing the forces of predatory finance which the Obama team spun out in a steady stream of television spots in battleground states.

There’s no arguing that the Republicans were outgunned online. Obama’s team spent about $52 million on digital media and advertising, according to the most recent Federal Election Commission data, compared with $26 million for Romney…

The GOP appears poised to take a fresh look at how to do digital. In a confidential presentation dated on Wednesday, the Republican National Committee announced plans to “conduct independent reviews of our ground game, data resources, and digital program” and “create a team to take an in-depth look at what Obama did.”

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/republicans-flame-romney-s-digital-team-20121116

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM

How was the NSA information used in the Obama re-election is the BIG question!!!

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:04 PM

We don’t know yet.

Voting and voting tabulation is digital.

NSA can and has traded in the data it collects with select business interests like Google. Interagency data sharing seems to be the MO with this administration…The IRS was caught at it.

It’s not a big leap to think that data was passed on to OFA and or Unions.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:29 PM

After the election Google hired Obama’s entire analytic team.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Hmm, what’s worse? NSA spying on everything we do, or IRS going after political opposition? Or is it a two-fer?

John the Libertarian on June 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM

After the election Google hired Obama’s entire analytic team.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

And, Google is into everything online.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 1:32 PM

The GOP appears poised to take a fresh look at how to do digital. In a confidential presentation dated on Wednesday, the Republican National Committee announced plans to “conduct independent reviews of our ground game, data resources, and digital program” and “create a team to take an in-depth look at what Obama did.”

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Bret Baier covered a lot of this last week in a segment called “Spying Eyes”. The Dems did track usage and target potential voters, but in the end it came down to brute threats to get them to the polls.

John the Libertarian on June 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Intelligence committee members have insisted that the NSA programs are conducted with plenty of oversight, and the controversy may still turn out to be hyperventilating over relatively minor issues of scope. However, it’s at least clear that Congress hasn’t exercised enough oversight on these programs, and that most of them still don’t know what the NSA is really doing.

The question might not be “oversight” but legality, transparency being the biggest Obama myth and charlatanry.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:04 PM

How much oversight can there be if the agencies being investigated are privy to the communications of the investigators?

How much legal prosecution can there be when there is no attorney client privilege because there is no privilege (privacy protection) among court officers…including judges and their staffs.

No wonder the apparatchik are arrogant and lie to the faces of congress…Congress is neutered.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Hmm, what’s worse? NSA spying on everything we do, or IRS going after political opposition? Or is it a two-fer?

John the Libertarian on June 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM

It’s “maximizing synergistic capabilities” for the greater good.

ROCnPhilly on June 16, 2013 at 1:38 PM

After the election Google hired Obama’s entire analytic team.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Damn those smart libs

HotAirLib on June 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Bret Baier covered a lot of this last week in a segment called “Spying Eyes”. The Dems did track usage and target potential voters, but in the end it came down to brute threats to get them to the polls.

John the Libertarian on June 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Sure…But this early in the public disclosures how much do we know?

We suspect that there might be remote access, which was revealed in the CBS Reporter’s hack a couple of days ago.

Verizon has admitted building a parallel cable directly to NSA.

We’ve seen the memory hole phenomenon on the net.

What we don’t know is the potential and extent of re-routing of communications…or dataflow…or anything else.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Hmm, what’s worse? NSA spying on everything we do, or IRS going after political opposition? Or is it a two-fer?

John the Libertarian on June 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM

“That’s right, that’s right,” Waters said. “And that database will have information about everything on every individual in ways that it’s never been done before.”
Waters said the database would also serve future Democratic candidates seeking the presidency.

“He’s been very smart,” Waters said of Obama. “I mean it’s very powerful what he’s leaving in place.”

http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/06/10/president-obama-probably-wishes-maxine-waters-would-shhhhhhhh/

VegasRick on June 16, 2013 at 1:40 PM

BTW…Don’t leave your wireless printer unsecured. Saw that on a techie thread.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:41 PM

The Dems did track usage and target potential voters, but in the end it came down to brute threats to get them to the polls.

John the Libertarian on June 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Lol. Ok bud.

HotAirLib on June 16, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Is there anyone left that thinks the White House was NOT listening in on Governor Romney’s presidential campaign phone calls and emails?

slickwillie2001 on June 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM

And all of the candidates in the GOP primary as well as the RNC.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Hmm, what’s worse? NSA spying on everything we do, or IRS going after political opposition? Or is it a two-fer?

John the Libertarian on June 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Maybe it’s all the same. Maybe , at the top, the NSA is the IRS is the OFA.

Go ahead BBLs tell me I’m crazy.
with all the scandals in the last few months,
crazy is the new black.

BoxHead1 on June 16, 2013 at 1:46 PM

After the election Google hired Obama’s entire analytic team.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

And, Google is into everything online.

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Yep!

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:46 PM

The New York Times reports today that Yahoo went to court in order to vehemently resist the NSA’s directive that they join the Prism program, and joined only when the court compelled it to do so. The company specifically “argued that the order violated its users’ Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable searches and seizures.”

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Note how taciturm Biden is today.

He’s been told to shut his white mouth.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:47 PM

The Dems did track usage and target potential voters, but in the end it came down to brute threats to get them to the polls.

John the Libertarian on June 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM

And when even those threats didn’t work in some areas, the poll workers themselves were able to win the day by passing out multiple ballots to those voting for the government-approved party.

ROCnPhilly on June 16, 2013 at 1:47 PM

taciturn

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:48 PM

After the election Google hired Obama’s entire analytic team.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Damn those smart libs

HotAirLib on June 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

HALS 2cnd favorite form of governance is Crony Capitalism.

BoxHead1 on June 16, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Hmm, what’s worse? NSA spying on everything we do, or IRS going after political opposition? Or is it a two-fer?

John the Libertarian on June 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Maybe it’s all the same. Maybe , at the top, the NSA is the IRS is the OFA.

Go ahead BBLs tell me I’m crazy.
with all the scandals in the last few months,
crazy is the new black.

BoxHead1 on June 16, 2013 at 1:46 PM

I’m not gonna call ya crazy…but add this to your crazystew…

How hard would it be to overturn the term limit with a majority in both houses?

OFA still uses Obama’s graphic logo…trains the Young Pioneers in summer camp & Obama is still fund raising…likely internationally.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:49 PM

After the election Google hired Obama’s entire analytic team.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Damn those smart libs

HotLips on June 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Yeah, your Party is so smart, it lost the college graduate vote in 2012.

And it had to increase its share of the high school dropout vote from 70% to 80% just to have a chance.

F+

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Listen to the video – Obama tells you in clear terms the 5 years ago you were all children.

Plus, Obama lies like a lush, clinically without regard. He is clinically NPD’d.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:49 PM

That 5 years ago you were all children…you were, btw, and still are. You need Obama to dictate.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Anybody noticed the flood of State Run Media stories on the IRS and NSA..?

d1carter on June 16, 2013 at 1:51 PM

After the election Google hired Obama’s entire analytic team.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Damn those smart libs

HotAirLib on June 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

F*ck Off Pioneer!

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:51 PM

UltimateBob on June 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Thanks for the fix. Also, the destruction of America is obvious.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Lol. Ok bud.

HotAirLib on June 16, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Campaign officials went on record to say that they targeted potential Dem voters based on their online viewing habits and shows they watch, then called them and said they knew their neighbors and how they were going to vote and that they were going to let their neighbors know if said voter was going to vote or not. That’s called intimidation. Instead of dismissing it, you brownshirts should be proud of it.

John the Libertarian on June 16, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Damn those smart libs

HotAirLib on June 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Wait a minute…didn’t Snowden say that he could do this..?

d1carter on June 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Yes…I guess he was not the complete fraud some our “intelligent” and “noble” Senators claimed.

William Eaton on June 16, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Dictators hate their own sheeple the most, inevitabley. History is full of skeletons. They execute them first.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Damn those smart libs

HotAirLib on June 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

The Nazis had some smart people too….what is your point?

William Eaton on June 16, 2013 at 1:54 PM

BoxHead1 on JuneDel Dolemonte on June 16, 2013 at 1:49 PM

16, 2013 at 1:48 PM

…TROLLCOTT…the little nub !…let him polish his own!

KOOLAID2 on June 16, 2013 at 1:54 PM

The Dems did track usage and target potential voters, but in the end it came down to brute threats to get them to the polls.

John the Libertarian on June 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM

And when even those threats didn’t work in some areas, the poll workers themselves were able to win the day by passing out multiple ballots to those voting for the government-approved party.

ROCnPhilly on June 16, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Poll worker who voted for Obama multiple times convicted of voting fraud

Surely, you recall Melowese Richardson, the Democratic poll worker in the critical battleground state of Ohio who may have voted for Barack Obama up to six times in November.

Upon being charged, she vowed to fight “for Mr. Obama’s right to sit as president of the United States.”

Well, she gave up the fight in short order.

With little media fanfare, it was announced Tuesday that Richardson pleaded no contest to four counts of illegal voting – including voting three times for a relative who has been in a coma since 2003 – in exchange for prosecutors dropping four other illegal voting charges, according to Cincinnati.com.

-snip-

Richardson, who’ll be sentenced on July 9, is the third person in Hamilton County to be convicted this year for illegal voting.

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2013 at 1:55 PM

The Nazis had some smart people too….what is your point?

William Eaton on June 16, 2013 at 1:54 PM

…its a nub…leave it alone!

KOOLAID2 on June 16, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Damn those smart libs

HotAirLib on June 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Another version

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Damn those smart libs

HotAirLib on June 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

“Because Congress came together, I stand before you a freed slave”.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Damn those smart libs

HotAirLib on June 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Summary of three

See all Obamateurisms, and all which were not compiled about how stupid Obama really is.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Richardson was surely a Tea Party plant.
– The Left

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

What the NSA is doing will at some point destroy this republic we have by giving too much power and information to the executive branch. This info can be used by the executive branch blackmail the legislative and judicial branches of government. William Eaton on June 16, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Two scenarios…

Kafkaesque

Imagine ya wake up one day and find the FBINSACIA whatever alphabet agency is at your door cause stuff was planted in your computer…and who’s gonna listen?

All they have to do is paint you as a crazy or a sicko and you go into a dark hole 4 a long time.

All they have to do is threaten to do that chit.

Or

Criminals engaged in real criminal activity demand the NSA data to use as a defense and tie up courts 4 ever.

Which throws the entire judicial system out of whack.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Criminals engaged in real criminal activity demand the NSA data to use as a defense and tie up courts 4 ever.

Which throws the entire judicial system out of whack.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I imagine you know one criminal is already trying that?

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Yeah, your Party is so smart, it lost the college graduate vote in 2012.

And it had to increase its share of the high school dropout vote from 70% to 80% just to have a chance.

F+

Del Dolemonte on June 16, 2013 at 1:49 PM

What ever makes you sleep at night bud.

HotAirLib on June 16, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Another congressman who attended the meeting said last night that what Snowden released is only the top percentage…that he has oodles of more information that, if released, will be very damning to the overlords and what they do to you.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Wait a minute…didn’t Snowden say that he could do this..?

d1carter on June 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Yes…I guess he was not the complete fraud some our “intelligent” and “noble” Senators claimed.

William Eaton on June 16, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Yep.

New hotness…Snowden is a double agent.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 2:03 PM

HALS 2cnd favorite form of governance is Crony Capitalism.

BoxHead1 on June 16, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Would you have preferred google hire the Romney campaign analysts?

HotAirLib on June 16, 2013 at 2:05 PM

OFA still uses Obama’s graphic logo…trains the Young Pioneers in summer camp & Obama is still fund raising…likely internationally.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Two reasons for this:

1. From now on, Obama the great will endorse candidates. For a nominal fee plus processing, these candidates will be able to proudly display the obama label in advertisements.

2. The symbol will be modified to OFU when Obama uses his international connections to be elected UN leader for life where he’ll have an even larger pool of rabble to rouse.

ROCnPhilly on June 16, 2013 at 2:06 PM

May the loss of clients and the lawsuits destroy each company which cooperated with the government. They deserve NO less.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 2:06 PM

OFA still uses Obama’s graphic logo…trains the Young Pioneers in summer camp & Obama is still fund raising…likely internationally.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 1:49 PM

All they need is children in red cravattes.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Criminals engaged in real criminal activity demand the NSA data to use as a defense and tie up courts 4 ever.

Which throws the entire judicial system out of whack.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I imagine you know one criminal is already trying that?

Liam on June 16, 2013 at 2:02 PM

No…But a Robbery suspect is doing it.

That was in the news a coupla days ago.

Don’t know any criminals personally…But in Obama’s Transformed America citizens are breaking laws they didn’t know existed and being harassed/prosecuted. The Heritage Foundation is tracking it.

You should check it out…Powerline posts their interviews.

workingclass artist on June 16, 2013 at 2:07 PM

KOOLAID2 on June 16, 2013 at 1:54 PM

You are an idiot. Everyone here knows you are an idiot hence the reason why they do not pay you any attention.

You are better off going back to your previous rants about how your mother loves servicing your trailer park buddies. At least you made some sense back then

HotAirLib on June 16, 2013 at 2:08 PM

This is all nonsense.

The 4th Amendment allows none of this, under any ‘interpretation.’ Warrants can be issued for specific targets, but never a “vacuum,” or mass storage that effectively serves to, by definition, revoke your 5th Amendment rights by mere existence on a Government-controlled server to be used against you in the absence of an existing crime at the time the data was seized.

This is tyranny.

HopeHeFails on June 16, 2013 at 2:09 PM

William Eaton on June 16, 2013 at 1:22 PM

All true, but not in the future. It’s reality now.

Schadenfreude on June 16, 2013 at 2:11 PM

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