Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on June 15, 2013 by Allahpundit

Asked to pick a response to stop the killing of civilians in Syria, just 15 percent in the poll say they favor U.S. military action, and only 11 percent want to provide arms to the opposition.

By comparison, a plurality of respondents — 42 percent — prefer to provide only humanitarian assistance, and 24 percent believe the U.S. shouldn’t take any action.

Perhaps more significantly, those attitudes cut across party lines and almost all demographic groups.

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The shift in administration policy on Syria seems reflective of public opinion. Polls have consistently shown Americans are deeply wary of the United States becoming involved in the fighting in Syria. But they also show that public support for intervention increases sharply under circumstances where it is confirmed that the Assad regime used chemical weapons

According to an average of the three surveys in the PollingReport.com database that asked, 58 percent of adults said they would support military intervention if it were confirmed that the Assad regime had used chemical weapons either on antigovernment forces or on civilians. (It remains to be seen, of course, whether public support for military intervention will actually increase now that such a confirmation has come.)

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U.S. officials said that the determination to send weapons had been made weeks ago and that the chemical weapons finding provided fresh justification to act.

As Syrian government ­forces, with the help of Hezbollah and Iranian militias, began to turn the war in Assad’s favor after rebel gains during the winter, Obama ordered officials in late April to begin planning what weaponry to send and how to deliver it…

Even after Thursday’s announcement, critics in Washington, rebel leaders and even some U.S. allies described the prospect of sending light arms and ammunition as disappointing. The rebels have asked for armor-piercing and anti-aircraft weapons as well as other heavy equipment.

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The United States will supply Syrian rebels with weapons through a CIA-run program, FoxNews confirmed Saturday.

President Obama decided Thursday to supply rebel forces with small arms and ammunition, following confirmation that the regime of Syria President Bashar al-Assad’s has been using chemical weapons in the 2-year-long civil war in which at least 90,000 people have been killed.

In addition to supplying the weapons, the CIA will train rebel forces, Fox News also confirmed.

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This move is possibly not too late, but it is certainly too little if the goal is to defeat Assad. The battle for Aleppo, the center of rebel strength, appears to be upon us. If Aleppo falls to the combined forces of Assad and the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, many thousands of people will be killed and the uprising will, in all likelihood, come to an end. Civil unrest will continue, but the back of the rebellion will have been broken.

The rebels haven’t been doing well lately — they’ve been making headlines mainly for YouTube videos showing atrocities committed by some in their ranks, rather than for military victories — and small arms won’t alter the balance. Even if handguns and rifles are all that the rebels would need for victory, delivering such weapons isn’t simply a matter of driving trucks into Aleppo. It will take time to build a proper pipeline to “vetted” rebels, which is to say, rebels who promise not to one day kill Americans with these weapons. Anti-tank weapons may be of help, but at the moment these don’t appear to be forthcoming, and portable surface-to-air missiles will most definitely not be forthcoming.

That’s because we don’t actually know who we’ll be helping.

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[T]here is little likelihood of a political settlement between the two sides, a settlement that would inevitably benefit American adversaries, especially the Islamic Republic of Iran. Due to the nature and magnitude of the support that Iran has leveraged in Syria—weapons as well as troops, its own in addition to Hezbollah’s and Iranian-backed Iraqi militias—Assad’s ruling clique in Damascus is effectively little more at this point than an Iranian vassal. A negotiated settlement then would be nothing but a recognition of Iranian sway over Syria, which would spell disaster for the United States and its allies in the region, especially those bordering Syria, like Turkey, Jordan, and Israel. However, the Syrian rebels will make an agreement all but impossible.

As Michael Doran explained, a deal between the opposition and the regime “is utterly fanciful.” Assad, Doran wrote, “will never negotiate himself out of a job. Even if he was inclined to do so—and he is not—a deal is a practical impossibility, due to the fractiousness of the opposition. Rebel leaders speak only for their own groups. An agreement by one leader would never be binding on the others. The war will go on no matter what.”

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Last month, the Economist had an illuminating report on the Syrian opposition groups, which concluded that, “As the civil war has dragged on, the rebels, hardened by war and seeing where their bread is buttered, have become more Islamist and extreme.” An accompanying helpful chart breaks down the three main fronts of the opposition (which represent alliances of various rebel fighting groups) and then further breaks down the nine key rebel fighting groups. According to the chart, two of the three main fronts are Islamist, as are seven of the nine key rebel fighting groups

It’s hard to believe that the same administration that brought us Benghazi would have such perfect information about which rebel groups in a bloody war-torn country are completely free of Islamist links, let alone have the logistical ability to ensure the weapons don’t end up in the hands of bad actors.

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A key lesson of Afghanistan is to be very clear from the beginning about your objective and mission. In the 1980s the goal was to defeat the Soviets by creating a quagmire for the Red Army like Vietnam was for America. The key planners behind the CIA operation to support the mujahedin, especially CIA Director Bill Casey, wanted to turn Afghanistan into Moscow’s Vietnam. They did.

Then Washington let mission creep develop. The Reagan and Bush administrations were unsure of what they wanted to do next. Some in Washington wanted to overthrow the communist government in Kabul that survived after the Russian withdrawal. Others wanted to support a political process to build a broad-based national unity government. And others wanted to forget Afghanistan and concentrate on forging a new world order with the post-communist leadership in Moscow. The American national-security bureaucracy became almost dysfunctional. In the end chaos ensued in Afghanistan.

What mission does arming the rebels in Syria support? It must be more than stopping Assad’s use of chemical weapons. Is it regime change or bolstering a political process in Geneva? Is it a means to unite the opposition and purge it of the al Nusra front, al Qaeda’s arm in Syria? Is it to defeat Iran and Hezbollah and bring regime change beyond Syria? We have yet to hear the answers to these questions.

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If Washington endorses the goal of bleeding Iran and its allies through proxy warfare, a whole range of more interventionist policies logically follow. The model here would presumably be the jihad against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan — a long-term insurgency coordinated through neighboring countries, fueled by Gulf money, and popularized by Islamist and sectarian propaganda.

“Success” in this strategy would be defined by the damage inflicted on Iran and its allies — and not by reducing the civilian body count, producing a more stable and peaceful Syria, or marginalizing the more extreme jihadists. Ending the war would not be a particular priority, unless it involved Assad’s total military defeat. The increased violence, refugee flows, and regionalization of conflict would likely increase the pressure on neighboring states such as Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, and Iraq. It would also likely increase sectarianism, as harping on Sunni-Shiite divisions is a key part of the Arab Gulf’s political effort to mobilize support for the Syrian opposition (and to intimidate local Shiite populations, naturally). And the war zone would continue to be fertile ground for al Qaeda’s jihad, no matter how many arms were sent to its “moderate” rivals in the opposition.

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“In a sense, Obama owns Syria now,” says Joshua Landis, a highly regarded Syria expert at the University of Oklahoma. “I presume he’ll try to go in toe by toe.… But he has to decide what his objectives are, which he hasn’t. Does he want to provide just enough arms to keep the status quo and divide Syria in two? Does he want to give them enough to take Damascus and drive the Alawites [President Bashar al-Assad's ruling sect] into the mountains? Does he want he want to see them take over the entire country?”…

Earlier this year, the CIA concluded that arming the rebels with small-scale weapons—what is likely now being considered—could not tip the balance of the conflict. U.S. and Israeli officials still fear that delivering anything larger or more lethal, such as antitank or surface-to-air missiles, could be used on U.S., Israeli, or commercial targets if they fell into terrorist hands. Chris Dougherty, an expert at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington, says the “ideal” weapons to arm the Syrian opposition groups—such as man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS) that could counter the Syrian Air Force’s control of the skies, antitank guided munitions such as the FGM-148 Javelin, and GPS- or laser-guided mortar rounds—are also the weapons that “have the most potential for blowback.”

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“Things are happening behind the scenes,” says one Israeli official. “Things are really happening.”…

Behind the scenes, … Israeli and U.S. military officials are coordinating how to target and destroy Assad’s arsenal of unconventional weapons under assorted scenarios, Israeli military and intelligence officials tell TIME. One scenario would be the sudden removal of Assad from the scene, be it by flight, death or if he simply disappears. That would prompt the allies to launch operations on the estimated 18 depots and other sites where WMDs are stored, the officials said. Search and destroy operations would also be launched if the weapons appeared to be about to fall into the hands of the rebels, which include Islamist extremists aligned with al-Qaeda.

The Israeli officials emphasized that it had not been decided whether both Israeli and U.S. forces would act, or who would do what. But the U.S. plans called for deploying forces on the ground as well as waves of airstrikes, to assure that the chemical and biological components are neutralized, according to the Israeli officials.

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“You can fully expect that the president will be heard on these issues repeatedly in coming days,” Rhodes said, previewing the gathering of international leaders.

But critics are questioning why the president himself isn’t providing a clearer picture of the administration’s response to Syria, a decision Obama has toiled over for months.

“The American people need to hear directly from the president on this,” a GOP Senate aide told The Washington Examiner. “Why isn’t he the one outlining the White House’s response?”

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“Militarily, where is our commander in chief? We’re talking now more new interventions. I say until we know what we’re doing, until we have a commander and chief who knows what he’s doing, well, let these radical Islamic countries who aren’t even respecting basic human rights, where both sides are slaughtering each other as they scream over an arbitrary red line, ‘Allah Akbar,’ I say until we have someone who knows what they’re doing, I say let Allah sort it out,” Palin said at the Faith and Freedom Coalition Conference.

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“It all seems to me rather sporadic, chaotic, unstructured,” he charged. “I don’t see any real strategic guidance to what we’re doing. I see a lot of rhetoric, a lot of emotion, a lot of propaganda, in fact.”

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What a face..

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 8:32 PM

F for first.

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Or what about..
F for Barrack..

Yeah..

I like that..

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 8:33 PM

LOOK!!!!

Shiny object!!!

Sadly it will work.

jukin3 on June 15, 2013 at 8:33 PM

*clink*

To all that have clinking hardware in their hands..

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Where are the flies on Beelzebub’s face?

tom daschle concerned on June 15, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Where are the flies on Beelzebub’s face?

tom daschle concerned on June 15, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Is barrack’s mouth closed?

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Asked to pick a response to stop the killing of civilians in Syria,

Why? Let them all kill each other. The faster the better.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Yup, wag the dog is all over this. But it really is a win-win for Obama: he gets a big shiny object while getting to help out/arm his Al Qeda and Muslim Bortherhood buddies.

Jackalope on June 15, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Why? Let them all kill each other. The faster the better.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Now you know…
Obama can’t let a crisis go to waste..
HE needs to somehow come out looking good..
And not doing anything isn’t an option in his mind….

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Could Alter be a bigger nimrod? In the same sentence he’s arguing that Obama giving weapons to the rebels is good because it advances the peace process, but it’s likely that they’ll end up in the wrong hands, and could eventually be used against Americans.

BKeyser on June 15, 2013 at 8:45 PM

does anyone know if mike Huckabee still ends his show with him strapping on his gui-tar and slamming out some sick beats with it? I find it…….well, I find it to be sexy to be honest with you all.

GhoulAid on June 15, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Obama does NOTHING that isn’t self-serving. You have to look at it through that lens; both the action itself and the timing of the action are purely for O’s benefit. In this case and with eveything else he does.

Jackalope on June 15, 2013 at 8:48 PM

What a face..

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 8:32 PM

I believe you misspelled “farce”…

JohnGalt23 on June 15, 2013 at 8:48 PM

“Thousands of Islamists rallied in the Egyptian capital on Friday in support of calls by Sunni Muslim clerics for a holy war against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The demonstration took place outside a Cairo mosque where Saudi preacher Mohammed al-Oreifi called in a sermon for a “jihad in the cause of Allah in Syria.”

Oreifi urged worshippers to “unite against their enemy.”

Saudi Arabia, like Egypt, is an overwhelmingly Sunni Muslim country, and Sunnis are the backbone of the revolt against Assad, whose Alawite sect is an offshoot of Shiite Islam.

Demonstrators, most of them bearded and wearing the traditional white galabiya, shouted “there is no God but Allah, and Bashar is his enemy.”

http://www.france24.com/en/20130614-thousands-egypt-islamists-rally-syria-jihad

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 8:49 PM

I believe you misspelled “farce”…

JohnGalt23 on June 15, 2013 at 8:48 PM

:)

Well….yes I did..

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Or what about..
F for Barrack..

Yeah..

I like that..

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 8:33 PM

You forgot the “U”.

kim roy on June 15, 2013 at 8:54 PM

You forgot the “U”.

kim roy on June 15, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Okay..
I need to use spellchecker more often..

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Okay..
I need to use spellchecker more often..

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Is okay. You’re just not vulgar and cranky enough. Some of us here will help you out with that. ;)

kim roy on June 15, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Some of us here will help you out with that. ;)

kim roy on June 15, 2013 at 8:56 PM

:)

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Asked to pick a response to stop the killing of civilians in Syria, just 15 percent in the poll say they favor U.S. military action, and only 11 percent want to provide arms to the opposition.

By comparison, a plurality of respondents — 42 percent — prefer to provide only humanitarian assistance, and 24 percent believe the U.S. shouldn’t take any action.

Perhaps more significantly, those attitudes cut across party lines and almost all demographic groups.

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The shift in administration policy on Syria seems reflective of public opinion.

Yes, by The One’s usual method of “I’ll do as I damned well please, and if you peasants don’t agree, GFY.

U.S. officials said that the determination to send weapons had been made weeks ago and that the chemical weapons finding provided fresh justification to act.

The One seems as determined to arm radical crazies worldwide as he is to disarm innocent Americans. I would say that this is yet more proof of just how delusional the man actually is; he’s so far “out there” that he wouldn’t be able to see reality with the 200-inch Hale reflector at Mt. Palomar.

Even if handguns and rifles are all that the rebels would need for victory, delivering such weapons isn’t simply a matter of driving trucks into Aleppo. It will take time to build a proper pipeline to “vetted” rebels, which is to say, rebels who promise not to one day kill Americans with these weapons.

The One wouldn’t be interested in arming anyone like that. He regards such people as “inauthentic” representatives of their “superior” Eastern, mystical culture. He wants full-bore “death to Western civilization” types, or nothing. Fortunately for him, they are easy to come by in this lot.

What mission does arming the rebels in Syria support? It must be more than stopping Assad’s use of chemical weapons. Is it regime change or bolstering a political process in Geneva? Is it a means to unite the opposition and purge it of the al Nusra front, al Qaeda’s arm in Syria? Is it to defeat Iran and Hezbollah and bring regime change beyond Syria? We have yet to hear the answers to these questions.

About the best “mission” we can hope for is for Syria to become another Lebanon. Which, considering Syria’s role in creating Lebanon as it has been for the last three decades, is actually rather ironic.

Since, from all indications, Syria will degenerate into “Beirut on steroids” no matter what we do or don’t do, the best thing for us to do is… stay the hell out of it.

Which is exactly why The One… won’t. His mind simply does not work that way. And he is still desperately looking for a Reset button which will result in him being proclaimed as The Great Peacemaker in the Arab world.

He’s never going to find it, because it doesn’t exist. The trouble is, like a UFO contactee who thinks he’s in rapport with Space Brothers from Venus, this president is immune to facts, logic, or the concrete results of his previous mistakes.

It’s like having George Adamski in the White House.

clear ether

eon

eon on June 15, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Behind the scenes, … Israeli and U.S. military officials are coordinating how to target and destroy Assad’s arsenal of unconventional weapons under assorted scenarios, Israeli military and intelligence officials tell TIME.

That’s the only military action I would support. It would be worth it to finally rid the world of Saddam’s WMDs.

notropis on June 15, 2013 at 9:03 PM

A key lesson of Afghanistan is to be very clear from the beginning about your objective and mission. In the 1980s the goal was to defeat the Soviets by creating a quagmire for the Red Army like Vietnam was for America. The key planners behind the CIA operation to support the mujahedin, especially CIA Director Bill Casey, wanted to turn Afghanistan into Moscow’s Vietnam. They did.

The aftermath worked out so well for us.

RickB on June 15, 2013 at 9:09 PM

In addition to supplying the weapons, the CIA will train rebel forces, Fox News also confirmed.

Why the hell are we going to train these guys? They will turn it around against us, guaranteed.

415woman1 on June 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM

What kind of background check will Dear Leader required for the Syrians to get arms…or is that just for law abiding Americans..?

d1carter on June 15, 2013 at 9:15 PM

The One seems as determined to arm radical crazies worldwide as he is to disarm innocent Americans. eon on June 15, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Ding ding ding.

Jackalope on June 15, 2013 at 9:17 PM

At what point will Hussein use USA’s chemical weapons against American people ?
( Think about it !)

burrata on June 15, 2013 at 9:20 PM

My guess is that the American people do not want to set up another country for the jihadist that want to kill us. Guess we could give them some F-16′s to use against us and our ally Israel.

rich8450 on June 15, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Why are we intervening in order to spread the caliphate?

Syria is undergoing a second purge of Christians (and Jews)as the Muslims spread their hegemony into the ME, Europe, and Africa.

In the nineteenth century, there were waves from Greater Syria (now designated as Syria, Turkey, Jordan, Palestine, and Israel) emigratig to the US to avoid conscription in the Ottoman military. These people came here to have a better life. They settled in lower Manhattan in their own ethnic neighborhood, where they got along with other ethnicities who also sought that better life.

At the end of WWII these neighborhoods were destroyed through urban renewal and the buiding of a tunnel. When the twin towers collapsed on 9/11 any remaining evidence of this rich cultural addition were virtually lost.

When is the world going to wake up?

O/T “Senator” Babs Boxer (D-Loonytown) is proposing an amendment to the Gang of Eight bill to divert border security allocations to health-care for the newly amnestied illegals.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/14/Boxer-Redirect-Border-Funds-for-Immigrant-Health-Care

onlineanalyst on June 15, 2013 at 9:20 PM

i’m already tired of syria.

but on a funny note…there is a reason that the progressive/establishment wing of the RNC H8s Palin

She destroys little Jeb aka Prezy in Waiting

"I say this, as someone's who kind of fertile myself," Palin says we shouldn't compare race's fertilities. Hi, Jeb!— Katrina Trinko (@KatrinaTrinko) June 15, 2013

but, i’m sure this just rolled off little Jeb’s back. He’s the forever friend of the RNC and the One that will get us back into the Game

r keller on June 15, 2013 at 9:23 PM

twitchy.com/2013/06/15/as-someone-whos-kinda-fertile-myself-sarah-palin-takes-a-jab-at-jeb-bush/

link

r keller on June 15, 2013 at 9:23 PM

“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face.-OBAMA“

Orders received.

CW on June 15, 2013 at 9:23 PM

Obama does NOTHING that isn’t self-serving. You have to look at it through that lens; both the action itself and the timing of the action are purely for O’s benefit. In this case and with eveything else he does.

Jackalope on June 15, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Yep – he’s a malignant narcissist, extra-delusional as well.

Hawks up 1-0 after the 1st, btw! :)

Anti-Control on June 15, 2013 at 9:26 PM

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1005/97110810151637867326462.jpg

davidk on June 15, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Well..
Hillary needs to be on a diet..

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 9:29 PM

@BreitbartNews: Palin On Syria: ‘Let Allah Sort It Out’:  http://t.co/m4GH18NRO4

idesign on June 15, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Where are the flies on Beelzebub’s face?

tom daschle concerned on June 15, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Fly king queen

Anti-Control on June 15, 2013 at 9:30 PM

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1005/97110810151637867326462.jpg

davidk on June 15, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Why isn’t Moochelle on top? How racist…

Anti-Control on June 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM

Hawks up 1-0 after the 1st, btw! :)

Anti-Control on June 15, 2013 at 9:26 PM

With the way we came at ‘em in the 1st, i’d like to see a bigger lead, but the boys are looking great! Especially my husband, Patrick Sharp…he’s so dreamy :)

Jackalope on June 15, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Why isn’t Moochelle on top? How racist…

Anti-Control on June 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM

What happens behind closed doors…
Stays behind closed doors..

didn’t you learn that from Bill Clinton?

:)

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 9:33 PM

“Militarily, where is our commander in chief?

Valerie doesn’t work weekends .

burrata on June 15, 2013 at 9:34 PM

just 15 percent in the poll say they favor U.S. military action

And, of course, almost none of those 15 percent would be going themselves.

VorDaj on June 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM

But they also show that public support for intervention increases sharply under circumstances where it is confirmed that the Assad regime used chemical weapons…

And we know that Assad used chemical weapons because McCain asked his trusted friends among the “rebels” if they were used and who used them.

VorDaj on June 15, 2013 at 9:39 PM

With no good guys to side with in Syria, and both sides toxic to the rest of humanity, the only operation that seems sane beyond destroying the WMD’s. is to quarantine Syria from the rest of the world and destroy any blockade runners..

Not having a map to look at right now, not sure that a quarantine would work, certainly not without Arab help, and that’s next to useless.

Maybe better to fall back to the dropship and nuke the site from orbit..

It’s the only way to be sure.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 9:39 PM

@BreitbartNews: Palin On Syria: ‘Let Allah Sort It Out’: http://t.co/m4GH18NRO4

idesign on June 15, 2013 at 9:29 PM

That one made me laugh out loud. Go Sarah

gophergirl on June 15, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Why doesn’t Obama just sic the NSA and IRS on Assad? Or are they both too busy going after Obama’s enemies at home?

VorDaj on June 15, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Samantha Powers and Susan Rice are going to promote an Obysmal intervention in Syria under the guise of humanitarian “protection.” That ploy worked out well in Libya, did it not? //

onlineanalyst on June 15, 2013 at 9:43 PM

And we know that Assad used chemical weapons because McCain asked his trusted friends among the “rebels” if they were used and who used them.

VorDaj on June 15, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Cannot for the life of me, understand what McCain is thinking.

Another Arab country ground war?

Why?…

If intervening made any sense on humanitarian grounds, Obama waited until there were 90,000 dead first? If he had consulted with the Europeans when they begged him too, he might have been able to stave off the worst of it with minimal intervention.. but NOW?

Makes no sense, since Al Qaeda has pretty much co-opted the rebels.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Arm the ‘rebels’?
Sure that’s the ticket.
McLame’s photo-buddies. One of whom may have helped slit Matthew Shepard’s (sp) throat. Yea John, you’re a s(f)mart feller.
On second thought, King Putt is looking for additional diversions to his perversions. The Boy King (a.k.a. William Jeffrson Bly Clinton being the Master) did it best. He gave brand spanking new M-16 to the Palestinian Liberation Authority (PLA). In fact, Clinton gave … GAVE gratis i.e. NO quid pro quo to the PLA 25,000 (yea, trools that is Twenty-Five-THOUSAND) RIFLE … you know REAL “ASSAULT RIFLES” … the one’s with the little ‘three-position-switches’ on the SAFETY’s to Yassir Arafat’s minions. Along with (what was it?) Oh yea, 450,000 rounds of 5.65 NATO ball ammo. Gee, I wonder if they’ve shot it all up by now? I’ll bet they blew off 20,000 or so after they heard the news of September 11, 2001. Leaving them enough ammo to kill every Jew within 5 Km of their borders.
Yea, were in good hands America.
Damn the LIV’s!

Missilengr on June 15, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Sorry … Damn the LIVerals!

Missilengr on June 15, 2013 at 9:46 PM

The Syrian Christians are saying “Thank God for the Russians!”, so we know which side Christ is on.

VorDaj on June 15, 2013 at 9:46 PM

To support the “rebels” is to support mass murder of Christians.

VorDaj on June 15, 2013 at 9:47 PM

With the way we came at ‘em in the 1st, i’d like to see a bigger lead, but the boys are looking great! Especially my husband, Patrick Sharp…he’s so dreamy :)

Jackalope on June 15, 2013 at 9:33 PM

haha about Patrick! :)

I sure hope Rask doesn’t end up being a major factor in the series.

Anti-Control on June 15, 2013 at 9:48 PM

And we know that Assad used chemical weapons because McCain asked his trusted friends among the “rebels” if they were used and who used them.

VorDaj on June 15, 2013 at 9:39 PM

I wonder WHY did Hussein make McShame the face of his Syria policy, and not some demoncrap ? Not even Piglosi, not even that muzie from MN or that other muzie from IN ?

burrata on June 15, 2013 at 9:48 PM

U.S. officials said that the determination to send weapons had been made weeks ago and that the chemical weapons finding provided fresh justification to act.

“Fresh justification to act”. Just stop and think about that for a minute. “Fresh justification to act” on a decision that was reached weeks ago.

Meaning. They were only looking for a “reason” to do what they’d already decided to do. Not a reason to do it. But a STORY. A plotline. “We can’t just DO it. People won’t agree, it won’t be safe POLITICALLY. Just hold up there greenhorn. This isn’t that difficult. Someone, grab the latest poll numbers!!” “Ok, sir, see it shows very clearly here that under these specific circumstances the public would accept this action. So… That leaves us with one of three options. One, do nothing if the circumstances never actually arrive. Two, act if the circumstances DO natural arrive. Or three, create the circumstances in which the public will accept this action, or at least create a story falsely stating the circumstances have arrived.”

How many times a day, on how many issues, in either party, under any one of these politicians, do you think this little equation is worked out? How often havethey CREATED the circumstances for it. How often have they LIED in the lead up to something to shift things into one politically safe way or another?

How often does it go in reverse, with the opposite party toying with the numbers right back? Purposefully seeking out situations, stories, and strategies that exploit the people?

“Fresh justification to act”. F****** doublespeak. Fresh cover story to use is more accurate.

Proof positive that this is all just theater for us. The grandest show of all. “How to maintain order of the mob while running the world, or your world.”

It required great skill to do it well. But the age has long since passed. Information is too available. There is NO common source. That screws up all control.

And it will all slowly fall apart. If we continue to let it. And we’ll be the ones left at the bottom, not our overlords.

They will find, “fresh justification to act”.

We must stop playing the game. It’s what they need.

Rabble rabble. Rouse rouse. Go red team blue. The audacity of the other guy! I did it last play but no one remembers that! Ref! Someone! Vote this guy out and put me back in coach!!

It’s b*******. And somewhere, deep down, you all know it.

Genuine on June 15, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Obama could just send the DHS after Assad, as they have 2 billion hollow points.

VorDaj on June 15, 2013 at 9:50 PM

To support the “rebels” is to support mass murder of Christians.

VorDaj on June 15, 2013 at 9:47 PM

“Keep your faith to yourself” – IRS

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 9:51 PM

What happens behind closed doors…
Stays behind closed doors..

didn’t you learn that from Bill Clinton?

:)

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 9:33 PM

“Father of the Year” Bill Clinton? That one?

I believe I did learn that from him! :)

Anti-Control on June 15, 2013 at 9:56 PM

In fact, Clinton gave … GAVE gratis i.e. NO quid pro quo to the PLA 25,000 (yea, trools that is Twenty-Five-THOUSAND) RIFLE … you know REAL “ASSAULT RIFLES” … the one’s with the little ‘three-position-switches’ on the SAFETY’s to Yassir Arafat’s minions. Along with (what was it?) Oh yea, 450,000 rounds of 5.65 NATO ball ammo. Gee, I wonder if they’ve shot it all up by now? I’ll bet they blew off 20,000 or so after they heard the news of September 11, 2001. Leaving them enough ammo to kill every Jew within 5 Km of their borders.
Yea, were in good hands America.
Damn the LIV’s!

Missilengr on June 15, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Dear God..

I never heard that before.. don’t doubt it,.. just never read or heard about it before. Not surprised. In 1980 when going through Air Force boot and tech school, there were hundreds of Saudi nationals on base. Came to find out about prepositioned stocks, and certain unused airfields in Saudi that were for the use of an advance guard of Air Force fighter squadrons if Saudi Arabia was attacked,.. so the first Gulf war didn’t surprise me when the airfields were made public for the first time.

I was assigned FE Warren AFB, but was on Mobility, meaning if Saddam had attacked Kuwait while I was in, me and 199 other Airmen were supposed to hop on a C-141 and provide the needed 200 SP’s to secure those air fields.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Hell yeah! Go Bush!

The GOP will betray you

True_King on June 15, 2013 at 9:59 PM

provide the needed 200 SP’s to secure those air fields.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 9:57 PM

should say, 200 just from my base.. every other state side base had a committed number on Mobility.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 9:59 PM

GhoulAid on June 15, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Somehow I never got the rock&roll part, but okay.
I am blessed with the knowledge that I am infinitesimally insignificant.
Put another way, no one will ever know that I was even here.

mickytx on June 15, 2013 at 10:00 PM

“Father of the Year” Bill Clinton? That one?

I believe I did learn that from him! :)

Anti-Control on June 15, 2013 at 9:56 PM

I missed that one…
Geeze..

So the Father of our Country chopped a “cherry”
And the Father of the Year …

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 10:01 PM

There is no good that can come out of this Syria mess.

I give it 3 months before one of our soliders is killed with one of these weapons.

gophergirl on June 15, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Or what about..
F Barrack..

Yeah..

I like that..

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Me too.

arnold ziffel on June 15, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Well Billy Bobob Clinton sure shot the retired presidents should remain in the shadows meme all ta Hell..

He never could just shut up… or Carter either..

must only apply to ex-presidents from the R party.

God help us when a relatively young Obama retires, he’ll be bad mouthing every president after as if he hadn’t been a bad joke.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM

I missed that one…
Geeze..

So the Father of our Country chopped a “cherry”
And the Father of the Year …

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 10:01 PM

I wonder how Chelsea’s real daddy, Webster Hubbell, feels about it…

Bill Clinton named ‘Father of the Year,’ says fatherhood is ‘greatest thing that ever happened to me’

It could have been worse, though – at least Hillary wasn’t named “Mother of the Year”! :)

Anti-Control on June 15, 2013 at 10:11 PM

God help us when a relatively young Obama retires, he’ll be bad mouthing every president after as if he hadn’t been a bad joke.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM

…only then…will he be ACCESIBLE to the press at all times…and they’ll have boatloads of reporters following on kneepads!

KOOLAID2 on June 15, 2013 at 10:13 PM

It could have been worse, though – at least Hillary wasn’t named “Mother of the Year”! :)

Anti-Control on June 15, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Give em time..

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 10:13 PM

So, the decision by this administration to provide arms and support to al-Qaeda affiliated rebel/terrorists… why is this not treason?

Midas on June 15, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Let me get this straight…

Obama wants to arm Al Qaeda, and spy on Americans.

Is that right?

faraway on June 15, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Wonder how long it’ll take em to give Hillary her “peace Prize”?

Seems they find the most objectionable US politicians to give them to. Not like they have to earn them or anything.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 10:16 PM

It could have been worse, though – at least Hillary wasn’t named “Mother of the Year”! :)

Anti-Control on June 15, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Oh she is sir, that and more in my house. It just doesn’t stop with mother.

arnold ziffel on June 15, 2013 at 10:16 PM

The only thing stupider than this, is a GOP that can’t take advantage of this, and further wants to add 30 million new Dem voters.

faraway on June 15, 2013 at 10:17 PM

– at least Hillary wasn’t named “Mother of the Year”! :)

Anti-Control on June 15, 2013 at 10:11 PM

You forgot the “F”

Spell checker does that..

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Let’ go Hawks!

Jaibones on June 15, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Maybe better to fall back to the dropship and nuke the site from orbit..

It’s the only way to be sure.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 9:39 PM

This.

Midas on June 15, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Let me get this straight…

Obama wants to arm Al Qaeda, and spy on Americans.

Is that right?

faraway on June 15, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Yeah, pretty much.

Midas on June 15, 2013 at 10:19 PM

God help us when a relatively young Obama retires, he’ll be bad mouthing every president after as if he hadn’t been a bad joke.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Yep and Karl Rove’s protege’s and all the other graying “conservative” poser hipsters will sit with their finger in their butts and not respond because it might be “unseemly.”

Course the way things are going, hopes for a competent, conservative are fast diminishing anyway.

arnold ziffel on June 15, 2013 at 10:20 PM

ok… gotta step away for awhile.. sciatica is acting up badly, can’t sit upright any more for a while..

check back later.. maybe.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Is that right?

faraway on June 15, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Arming our enemies is like…
Arming Obama’s friends…

Sesame Street should have a special on that…

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Anti-tank weapons may be of help, but at the moment these don’t appear to be forthcoming, and portable surface-to-air missiles will most definitely not be forthcoming.

That’s because we don’t actually know who we’ll be helping.

Hahahahahahaha…. stop it man, you’re killin’ me. Reminds me of this joke:

Knock knock.
Who’s there?
Ben.
Ben who?
Ben Ghazi.

What, not funny?

bofh on June 15, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Let’ go Hawks!

Jaibones on June 15, 2013 at 10:18 PM

…some good hockey!

KOOLAID2 on June 15, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Course the way things are going, hopes for a competent, conservative are fast diminishing anyway.

arnold ziffel on June 15, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Hillary Clinton will be the next President, and then its all but over for the US.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on June 15, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Could Alter be a bigger nimrod? In the same sentence he’s arguing that Obama giving weapons to the rebels is good because it advances the peace process, but it’s likely that they’ll end up in the wrong hands, and could eventually be used against Americans.

BKeyser on June 15, 2013 at 8:45 PM

No contradiction at all when you look at this through a liberal’s worldview. This advances the “peace process” by solving the Syrian civil war and establishing the liberals’ friends, the Muslim Brotherhood, as the rulers of Syria. See? Peace in Syria! As far as the weapons being used against Americans? For a liberal, that’s a feature, not a bug. Even if it is a concern to some liberals, that’s a chance they are willing to take.

AZfederalist on June 15, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Let me get this straight…

Obama wants to arm Al Qaeda, and spy on Americans.

Is that right?

faraway on June 15, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Don’t forget disarming Americans in the meantime.

Jackalope on June 15, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Who’s in charge…?

… We know Obowma isn’t, he doesn’t know anything about anything?

Who is the Commander in Chief…?

… Who will be making the decisions?

Who is going to give the order that may result in our troops dying while supporting al-Qaeda…?

… Who is it?

Seven Percent Solution on June 15, 2013 at 10:36 PM

The GOP will betray you

True_King on June 15, 2013 at 10:25 PM

The GOP will continue to betray you.

FIFY

bofh on June 15, 2013 at 10:36 PM

eon on June 15, 2013 at 9:01 PM

We should provide support to Israel…and frankly some support to Catholic and other Christian Relief groups & political support to The Vatican to get the Christian Refugees re-settled.

Every ancient christian community is being slaughtered and these communities and shrines/churches date from apostolic times.

Obama recently appointed the former head of Catholic Relief Services as Ambassador to the Vatican…I hope he will offer what help he can in Vatican refugee relief re-settlement.

We just sent money and weapons to Egypt and these will be used in Syria.

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:37 PM

… Who is it?

Seven Percent Solution on June 15, 2013 at 10:36 PM

The short stick..

Electrongod on June 15, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Let me get this straight…

Obama wants to arm Al Qaeda, and spy on Americans.

Is that right?

faraway on June 15, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Don’t forget disarming Americans in the meantime.

Jackalope on June 15, 2013 at 10:35 PM

You forgot using the IRS, EPA, DHS, etc., to stifle the free political speech of Americans…

… but Boo Boo and Idol are on.

Seven Percent Solution on June 15, 2013 at 10:39 PM

To support the “rebels” is to support mass murder of Christians.

VorDaj on June 15, 2013 at 9:47 PM

That is true…and why they sided with Assad.

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:42 PM

who would have thought that only 12 years after 9/11 our gov in Dc would be ARMING the people who brought down the towers???

Is this freaking reality? Are our leaders that dysfunctional? Do they not care that the people they are arming has pledged themselves to Al-Qaeda? that they have ties to the group that killed 3000+ Americans in downtown NYC?

This goes beyond the pale. this my friends is quickly becoming a traitorous act by our ruling junta in DC.

unseen on June 15, 2013 at 10:42 PM

To support the “rebels” is to support mass murder of Christians.

VorDaj on June 15, 2013 at 9:47 PM

It is also to support Al Qaeda

the Obama regime is siding with the very same people who flew airplanes into the two towers and the pentagon.

unseen on June 15, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Give that man another Peace Prize!

How long do you think the background checks will take?

wytshus on June 15, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Let me get this straight…

Obama wants to arm Al Qaeda, and spy on Americans.

Is that right?

faraway on June 15, 2013 at 10:16 PM

yeap. Can we impeach his as@ yet? God I wish the GOP and some American loving dems would grow a backbone and throw this anti-American president out on his lazy as@

unseen on June 15, 2013 at 10:45 PM

The war in Syria is the ultimate case of Evil fighting Evil… It is the terror camp of Assad/Iran/Hizballah against the terror camp of Al Qaeda groups + semi secular group called the Free Syrian Army… It is not in our interest at all that one side wins the war… Those who are advocating for Assad/Iran/Hizballah to win are plain stupid and they know nothing about the supreme danger of this terror camp… There is no the lesser of evil when it comes to Assad/Iran/Hizballah terror alliance versus Al Qaeda terrorists… They are all equally evil…
Our goal should be a violent stalemate where both terror camps are killing each others for a very long time…

mnjg on June 15, 2013 at 10:48 PM

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