Syria: The US is lying about use of chemical weapons

posted at 9:21 am on June 14, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Well, what did anyone expect them to say? “All right, coppers, you caught us” in full Edward G. Robinson mode?  Not that this denial will make much difference on intervention, as key NATO partners backed Barack Obama yesterday, but the pro forma response isn’t aimed at the West anyway:

The Syrian government on Friday dismissed U.S. charges that it used chemical weapons as “full of lies,” accusing President Barack Obama of resorting to fabrications to justify his decision to arm Syrian rebels. The commander of the main rebel umbrella group welcomed the U.S. move. …

“The White House has issued a statement full of lies about the use of chemical weapons in Syria based on fabricated information,” a statement issued Friday by the Syrian Foreign Ministry said. “The United States is using cheap tactics to justify President Barack Obama’s decision to arm the Syrian opposition,” it said.

The commander of the main Western-backed rebel group fighting in Syria said he hoped that U.S. weapons will be in the hands of rebels in the near future, noting it would boost the spirits of the fighters on the ground.

“We hope to have the weapons and ammunition that we need in the near future,” Gen. Salim Idris told Al-Arabiya TV.

“This will surely reflect positively on the rebels’ morale, which is high despite attempts by the regime, Hezbollah and Iran to show that their morale after the fall of Qusair deteriorated,” he said, referring to the town near the border with Lebanon.

You can take that with a large grain of salt, too.  One reason that the White House is moving now on the red line, long after everyone knew it’d been crossed, is because the West fears that the rebellion will collapse.  The US and NATO want to use the rebellion as leverage to get Bashar al-Assad to leave in order to break Iranian power on the Mediterranean, which would be a lovely goal if the only real alternative wasn’t a fractious collection of radical Sunni terrorist militias.

The only way to get Assad to conduct talks for his eventual departure is if he’s losing.  Ironically, Assad had agreed in principle to attend the Geneva talks already; it was the rebels that balked at his involvement and refused to attend.  Will an infusion of American arms convince them to talk peace?  Hardly, but both sides in Libya — excuse me, Syria (they look so much alike) — are busy playing three-dimensional chess while we’re playing checkers.

For that matter, what exactly will be the American infusion of arms?  No one knows, and Obama won’t have a plan until at least next week.  That stunned Charles Krauthammer, who points out that the White House has had months to plan out its moves:

“The red line is officially crossed. You would think they would have actually considered what you do on the day the red line is crossed. You don’t think it anew on the morning of the announcement.”

On Obama’s apparent timetable? “In a week? In a week Hezbollah is amassing outside of Aleppo.”

Like I said, it’s checkers to chess, just as it was in Libya.

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I’m reaching the point where I’d believe the government of Syria over my own.

rrpjr on June 14, 2013 at 9:25 AM

For the regime, next week never comes when it’s time to reveal any plans. Remember, the word reveal sounds too transparancy.

Kissmygrits on June 14, 2013 at 9:28 AM

President Petulant better not send one pair of American boots to that mess in Syria.

BettyRuth on June 14, 2013 at 9:28 AM

But obama has fund raising to do so hush!

tinkerthinker on June 14, 2013 at 9:28 AM

meh, I said two weeks ago to arm the weaker side and let them tear each other apart. We don’t have an ally on either side and both sides declaring us enemies. win win

DanMan on June 14, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Never thought I’d live to see the day I take the word of an Islamic dictator over that of my own president, but I repeat myself.

abobo on June 14, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Smart power in action

cmsinaz on June 14, 2013 at 9:31 AM

President Snoop Dawg Eats Dog probably needs that extra time to find where Syria is.

Flange on June 14, 2013 at 9:32 AM

This government has completely lost its credibility. Who can believe anything they say anymore? If Americans can’t believe in their leaders why should any other country?

scalleywag on June 14, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Maybe Obama will send in a drone to take him out.

vcferlita on June 14, 2013 at 9:33 AM

President Petulant better not send one pair of American boots to that mess in Syria.

BettyRuth on June 14, 2013 at 9:28 AM

I think I’ve read in a few places that 1,000 or so have been in Jordon for several weeks, apparently.

oldroy on June 14, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Looks like scandal paloooza is getting too close to obozzo. Time for another distraction.

stephana on June 14, 2013 at 9:33 AM

I’m reaching the point where I’d believe the government of Syria over my own.

rrpjr on June 14, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Yup.

The Rogue Tomato on June 14, 2013 at 9:33 AM

We should put a US Consulate in Aleppo to keep an eye on things.

mjbrooks3 on June 14, 2013 at 9:34 AM

There never was, isn’t now, and never will be a plan; Barky is simply waiting for one side or the other to capitulate and then claim “Damn! We were just getting ready to intercede too! Oh well.”

Face it, the Dog Eating Fud is in so far over his head that getting back out would involve the direct intervention of a god.

Bishop on June 14, 2013 at 9:35 AM

The US and NATO want to use the rebellion as leverage to get Bashar al-Assad to leave in order to break Iranian power on the Mediterranean, which would be a lovely goal if the only real alternative wasn’t a fractious collection of radical Sunni terrorist militias.

Syria is almost a no-lose situation for Iran. If Assad goes and a militant state result, Iran can always switch sides after the fact. Since its inception, Iran has been trying to spread its Islamic revolution throughout the region, with Teheran at the center. The differences between Shiite and Sunni can be dealt with later, long as there’s an Islamic theocracy in Damascus that remains hostile to Israel and the US.

This Administration is horribly short-sighted, to the point that it doesn’t know it’s being used as a proxy by the EU, which has more at stake in Syria than we do.

If the Euros are so worried about what happens in Syria, let them deal with it while we sit this one out.

Liam on June 14, 2013 at 9:37 AM

How convenient…

Scandals raging and Zero discovers the use of chemical weapons in Syria…red line crossed…

…and the “freedom fighters/rebels” either are AQ or fully pledge allegiance to AQ…

Please remind me again…Who was our number one enemy in the phony war on terror???…

Thanks a lot Zero, McCain and Graham…

PatriotRider on June 14, 2013 at 9:37 AM

He’s a excellent commander in chief
-tingles

cmsinaz on June 14, 2013 at 9:37 AM

I think I’ve read in a few places that 1,000 or so have been in Jordon for several weeks, apparently.

oldroy on June 14, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Probably an offhand decision Barry made when he wasn’t planning the family’s 100 million dollar trip to Africa.

BettyRuth on June 14, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Giving arms to rebels that are heavily tied to religious crazies and are fighting against a socialist Russian client state?

Well, at least we’ve moving on from reliving the ’70s and are starting to relive the ’80s.

Spade on June 14, 2013 at 9:37 AM

It appears our illustrious leaders have all received their degree in Lying from an illustrious Ivy League school.

I suspect Barak taught Lying at Harvard., but we’ll never know because his records are sealed.

We really are a “stupid” people.
III

dirtengineer on June 14, 2013 at 9:38 AM

I heard that there was a plan in place but obozo kept eating the dog they planned to wag and it’ll take a week to replace it.

Flange on June 14, 2013 at 9:38 AM

Let’s not forget what this “civil war” is all about.

The Saudis and Qataris want Assad gone because he won’t let them run their natural gas pipelines through his country into Europe. With Assad gone, the Arabian billionaires will have more billions coming in.

The Russians are propping up Assad as much as possible because currently Gazprom has a nice near-monopoly on gas going into Europe. With Assad gone, their gas would have to compete with the Arabian gas.

Iran wants to keep Assad in place because he is the middle man for the fight by Hezbollah and other Shiite militias against Israel and the West.

And the US wants Assad gone because he is an Iranian puppet, and we must hate Iran at all costs.

It’s a game of chess, with way too many players, using the unfortunate Syrian public as pawns.

onefortyseven on June 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Great
So now we’ll let Al-Qaeda grab Syria’s stockpile of poison gas

TexasJew on June 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

As a condition of citizenship you need to be deployed to Syria.

Oil Can on June 14, 2013 at 9:40 AM

We should put a US Consulate in Aleppo to keep an eye on things.

good one mjbrooks

DanMan on June 14, 2013 at 9:41 AM

My initial thought echoed others here: Syria is more credible than Obama. But that sort of misses the point. Is that the sole basis for Obama’s decision to intervene? Of course not, it’s just a convenient excuse for doing what he wanted to do in the first place. Which is give aid and comfort to Jihadis and create more chaos in the Middle East, especially surrounding Israel.

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 9:41 AM

Plan? Oh, that can wait, Obama has a tee time, and also has to host another party for Beyonce and the Beiber.

kirkill on June 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Please remind me again…Who was our number one enemy in the phony war on terror???…

Thanks a lot Zero, McCain and Graham…

PatriotRider on June 14, 2013 at 9:37 AM

The Tea Party.

Liam on June 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Al Qaeda won’t allow the Christians to stay in Syria. These mohammedians are driving out some of the most ancient Christian sects throughout the region.

Aleppo was the Bishophric of St. Augustine.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM

Also… Let’s not forget how it’s happening.

The word “Islam” means submission, not peace. The “Islam means peace” thing is nonsense, but we all know that. But quite literally, the word in Arabic means submission. Muslims (a.k.a. “those who submit”) are not inherently violent… but because they believe in and have been trained to give complete submission to their leaders (both religious and political), they can be easily manipulated to serve the interest of whomever has the power at the time.

This is not a sectarian war, or a civil war. This is a war, yet again, about money and natural resources. The poor, ignorant, brainwashed Muslims are being used as tools.

Even Iran is barely motivated by religious fervor… They still just hold a grudge against us for our meddling in the middle of last century.

Follow the money. That’s all.

onefortyseven on June 14, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Russia and Iran will overwhelm anything Obama will do. Obama has so crippled our military that I doubt many Generals really give a shit about helping Obama anymore.

redguy on June 14, 2013 at 9:45 AM

We should put a US Consulate in Aleppo to keep an eye on things.

Yeah, be a great place to send Lois Lerner…..

redguy on June 14, 2013 at 9:46 AM

This government has completely lost its credibility. Who can believe anything they say anymore?

scalleywag on June 14, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Well, millions upon millions of Obama Cultists/Dem voters. Obama = good. Everyone criticizing him = bad. It’s just that simple for them.

visions on June 14, 2013 at 9:47 AM

onefortyseven on June 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

The oil pipeline politics is an excellent point. But I think any likely replacement for Assad is a bigger threat to Israel than Iran’s puppets. Obama’s pattern of behavior is to overthrow stable dictators in favor of chaos.

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Are there any real men left in congress to stop this madness? This is all just beyond unreal and way beyond a nightmare. Yet, day after day, nothing is done. Day after day, another scandal or situation that proves what a joke this president is. A big anti-American joke! I have no words. I am beside myself a trillion times over like many of you are. I’ve said it before, and I will say it again: The majority of republican men are F—–S! There’s no other way to describe them. McCain, Romney, Ryan, Rubio, certainly Graham, Boner, and most of the rest. Cruz is the only man I see. F—–S! All of them!

GhoulAid on June 14, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Russia is saying Zero is lying too:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-14/russian-mp-accuses-us-fabricating-syrian-chemical-weapons-report

dogsoldier on June 14, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Zerohedge probably has the best coverage in the right-ish blogosphere about this whole thing. The Jew-bashing in the comments notwithstanding, they hit the nail right on the head nearly every time.

My wife is Syrian Catholic, and she has most of her family still there, desperate to get out. If Obama does anything, my wife will absolutely lose it.

onefortyseven on June 14, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Rice-Powers strikes !!!!

Jabberwock on June 14, 2013 at 9:50 AM

The reason the Christians have sided with Assad is because Assad belongs to a minority muslim sect…and he allows them to worship in their ancient dioceses.

The Crusades.

The US with co-operation of Europe is siding with the Saracens.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Check out Drudge…Obama plans to relocate tons of Syrian refugees here to America. Powers and Rice advocate this. This here is one sick country right about now.

NJ Red on June 14, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Obama, the community organizer, once again leads from behind, which is to say, he leads not at all.

For Obama, ME policy is little more than an ad hoc instrument for mobilizing political power to advance his domestic agenda. If war is seen as useful to advance his agenda, then war there will be.

petefrt on June 14, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Your headline is misleading. Krauthammer is mad because he thinks the Red Line has been crossed and yet Obama will discuss next week at the G8 Summit about what to do. Krauthammer says that Obama should have already know what to do.

SC.Charlie on June 14, 2013 at 9:55 AM

So they killed 90k people with bullets and bombs, but supposedly now they killed 150 people with gas so we gotta arm Al Qaeda.

Like I said, it’s checkers to chess, just as it was in Libya.

A. Checkers is hard.

B. No it isn’t.

Akzed on June 14, 2013 at 9:56 AM

This Bush fella is a war monger who needs to go!

EddieC on June 14, 2013 at 9:56 AM

The threat of US / allied intervention is likely to spur the government forces and their allies to move more quickly and ferociously in an effort to deliver a knockout blow before the west can act.

R Square on June 14, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Zerohedge probably has the best coverage in the right-ish blogosphere about this whole thing. The Jew-bashing in the comments notwithstanding, they hit the nail right on the head nearly every time.

My wife is Syrian Catholic, and she has most of her family still there, desperate to get out. If Obama does anything, my wife will absolutely lose it.

onefortyseven on June 14, 2013 at 9:49 AM

God Bless you, your wife and her family.

Her heart must be breaking.

This is happening in every ancient Christian Diocese that were established in the Apostolic era.

St. Paul and St. Augustine are weeping along with Our Lady.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 9:56 AM

This is apparently what happens when you elect juveniles to power. No planning, no contingencies, just foot stomping and vague threats. (Didn’t someone earlier use the title President Petulant?).

I’m not surprised that there weren’t any plans in place for when Assad decided to ignore Obama. I certainly wouldn’t want to enter into any agreement with him and his selective leak machine if I were a foreign leader.
Are the geeks accessing your e-mails the only ones in this government with IQ’s over 80? We are so screwed!

yesiamapirate on June 14, 2013 at 9:58 AM

My wife is Syrian Catholic, and she has most of her family still there, desperate to get out. If Obama does anything, my wife will absolutely lose it.

onefortyseven on June 14, 2013 at 9:49 AM

I feel for you. Situations like this always remind me of the Jews after Kristallnacht. When I was a little kid, I wondered: why didn’t they get out? Now I know, it’s not so easy, you have property, you have a habitual way of life, you have emotional ties, you have to find a feasible way, you have to be convinced that the future where you are is untenable. It’s not so easy.

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 10:01 AM

This is NOTHING but a wag the dog and pony show for Barack Obama, who’s getting hammered in the polls, (which the media bragged about just last month). With all of the domestic scandals now coming to fruition, Obama has about as much political capital as Jimmy Carter had at the end of his term. The primary goal of this administration is for Americans to take their eyes off of a central government with damn near EVERY cabinet official running their offices like a third world country. Meanwhile, this pathetic excuse for an immigration reform bill is sailing thru the Senate with the help of our RINO-CONSERVATIVES LEADING THE CHARGE!

Of course, Obama has no choice now but to arm the Syrian Rebels, so the entire world (and the Obama-Media), can say, “look, it’s a bloody civil war were getting into”, while the “war” at home goes unchecked, ignored, and potentially ten times as dangerous in the long run. Focus people!

Rovin on June 14, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Frankly I’m all for islamists killing one another. More please.

Bmore on June 14, 2013 at 10:13 AM

We need to figure out who our enemies are and fight them. That means Iran and Hezbollah. Defeat in Syria would be a gut punch for Iran and Russia. It could lead to regime change in Iran. It would embolden reformers everywhere. A policy of defeat leads to defeat and decreased security.

Reagan had no problem fighting communism in central america and there were no nice guys there either. He had no problem arming the Muj in Afghanistan. He focused on the real enemy. So should we.

breffnian on June 14, 2013 at 10:17 AM

They chopped off a kid’s head and they wiped out a village of Christians. Why the hell are we giving them weapons?

Blake on June 14, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Nothing like a ‘community organizer’ to plan a war.

From behind.

GarandFan on June 14, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Let’s not forget what this “civil war” is all about.

The Saudis and Qataris want Assad gone because he won’t let them run their natural gas pipelines through his country into Europe. With Assad gone, the Arabian billionaires will have more billions coming in.

The Russians are propping up Assad as much as possible because currently Gazprom has a nice near-monopoly on gas going into Europe. With Assad gone, their gas would have to compete with the Arabian gas.

Iran wants to keep Assad in place because he is the middle man for the fight by Hezbollah and other Shiite militias against Israel and the West.

And the US wants Assad gone because he is an Iranian puppet, and we must hate Iran at all costs.

It’s a game of chess, with way too many players, using the unfortunate Syrian public as pawns.

onefortyseven on June 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

This is an interesting take on the Middle East situation, from the point of view of natural gas pipelines. 147 is right about Gazprom, and the Russians wanting a monopoly on natural gas supplies to Europe.

But there might be some complications in this logic. If the Saudis and Qataris want to send gas to Europe by pipeline, they don’t have to go through Syria–they could go through Iraq (now at peace with Saudi Arabia), and they would still have to send a pipeline through Turkey either way, and it’s hard to tell who Turkey’s allies are–they have had rocky relations recently with Europe, Syria, and Iraq, and do they prefer the Russians?

If the Americans were smart, with the recent discoveries of large natural-gas supplies in Ohio and Pennsylvania, we could liquefy natural gas at American seaports and ship it to Europe, thereby breaking Gazprom’s monopoly on Europe and helping our own “balance of payments”. Europe wouldn’t need Arabian gas, and we could let the various players in the Middle East sort through the Syrian situation on their own. The Saudis might also want to sell gas to Israel, and they don’t need pipelines through Syria to do so.

But that presupposes that the Americans are smart, which is an oxymoron with Obama in the White House. Or maybe without the oxy.

Steve Z on June 14, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Let’s not forget what this “civil war” is all about.

The Saudis and Qataris want Assad gone because he won’t let them run their natural gas pipelines through his country into Europe. With Assad gone, the Arabian billionaires will have more billions coming in.

The Russians are propping up Assad as much as possible because currently Gazprom has a nice near-monopoly on gas going into Europe. With Assad gone, their gas would have to compete with the Arabian gas.

Iran wants to keep Assad in place because he is the middle man for the fight by Hezbollah and other Shiite militias against Israel and the West.

And the US wants Assad gone because he is an Iranian puppet, and we must hate Iran at all costs.

It’s a game of chess, with way too many players, using the unfortunate Syrian public as pawns.

onefortyseven on June 14, 2013 at 9:39 AM

The Israelis are preparing to be the largest exporter in the region. That ginormous oil/natural gas field found just off their shores.

This is consolidation of the region by Al Qeada.

This is another chapter in The Crusades.

The secularist countries in Europe are already swamped with large pockets of muslims.

Demographics.

Remember folks the muslim sects/tribes unite against the infidel.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 10:26 AM

I going to repeat my statement one more time:

Your headline on this thread is totally misleading. Krauthammer is mad because he thinks the Red Line has been crossed and yet Obama will discuss next week at the G8 Summit about what to do. Krauthammer says that Obama should have already known what to do.

I will add that I think we should stay the hell out of this Syrian civil war. There aren’t any good guys on either side.

SC.Charlie on June 14, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Obama waging a big dod, to divert from his scandals.

All in Syria are the enemies of the US.

Much, much, much treasure and blood will be shed, for Obama’s brothers to rule Syria too.

Name one nation, I triple dare you, which is free or freer due to Obama, you fools of the world!

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 10:28 AM

As others have mentioned, the Christians back Assad. No joke:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2011/july/syria-christians-assad.html

anotherJoe on June 14, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Steve Z on June 14, 2013 at 10:24 AM

There is no way that the EPA would ever allow what you described. It just reeks of Capitalism, and we can’t have that any more.

Flange on June 14, 2013 at 10:30 AM

They chopped off a kid’s head and they wiped out a village of Christians. Why the hell are we giving them weapons?

Blake on June 14, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Because Europe hates Israel as much as our president does?

Anti-semitism is on the rise in just about every country in primarily secular Europe.

This is being driven in the academies and the parliaments by the large and entrenched muslim populations.

The academies (Universities) drive the parliamentary policy.

Assad is a viscious bastard…but he’s not Al Qaeda.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 10:33 AM

…If the Americans were smart, with the recent discoveries of large natural-gas supplies in Ohio and Pennsylvania, we could liquefy natural gas at American seaports and ship it to Europe, thereby breaking Gazprom’s monopoly on Europe and helping our own “balance of payments”.

…But that presupposes that the Americans are smart, which is an oxymoron with Obama in the White House. Or maybe without the oxy.

Steve Z on June 14, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Oh, they realize we could do that, and develop our energy resources more generally also. You have to be (literally) severely mentally disabled not to realize that. Our politicians and bureaucrats just don’t want to, for various tortuous reasons.

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 10:33 AM

You can take that with a large grain of salt, too. One reason that the White House is moving now on the red line, long after everyone knew it’d been crossed, is because the West fears that the rebellion will collapse.

And the weapons already smuggled in through Benghazi will be easier to trace if they’re not hidden in officially sanctioned arms deals.

Cleombrotus on June 14, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Maybe the Syrians are telling the truth for once.

1 The Syrian government is definitely winning the war with the rebels without chemical help.
2 it is very suspicious that out of 92,000 reported deaths, only 150 were attributed to nerve gas–an insignificant .00163. What was the purpose of using such a small amount of chemical agents.
3 More likely a corrupt government beset by scandals–lying in Libya, racketeering collusion with the IRS, spying with the NSA, targeting with the DOJ and child molesting with the US ambassador to Belgium–was desperately looking for a diversion. It seems more likely that the nerve gas used in Syria was an idea dreamed up by Valerie Jarret in the white House.

MaiDee on June 14, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Obama wants a war in Syria to divert from his other problems. Senile old John McCain just wants war … any war. Lately whenever I see McCain I envision the scene from Dr. Strangelove with McCain riding the bomb.

bw222 on June 14, 2013 at 10:39 AM

anotherJoe on June 14, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Of course they do. They know what awaits them if Al Queda gains the upper hand. They’ve seen what happened to their brethren in Iraq.

Cleombrotus on June 14, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Obama can hardly contain his desire to help the rebels kill Christians and children who insult Mohammed in Syria and set yet another “moderate” Muslim Brotherhood cypher on a seat of Middle East power. Since chemical weapons charges are practically the only way he can excuse the intervention, then that’s the story he’ll use to do it. And unlike Bush, he’ll find the evidence proving the use of those weapons whether it exists or not.

ROCnPhilly on June 14, 2013 at 10:41 AM

You all realize, don’t you, that your comments are being tracked? I, on the other hand, think that the administration is doing a fine job of guiding world affairs. /

HiJack on June 14, 2013 at 10:44 AM

You all realize, don’t you, that your comments are being tracked? I, on the other hand, think that the administration is doing a fine job of guiding world affairs. /

HiJack on June 14, 2013 at 10:44 AM

That ship has sailed, long long ago.

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 10:46 AM

anotherJoe on June 14, 2013 at 10:29 AM

There would be a real problem with this policy if we were still a Christian nation.

BTW, if the helicopter hovering over my roof earlier could have called my cell we could adjust the yaw and pitch a bit and blow the unsightly grass shavings off the pavement corners of my driveway.

IlikedAUH2O on June 14, 2013 at 10:47 AM

ROCnPhilly on June 14, 2013 at 10:41 AM

And, again unlike Bush, our treasonous and corrupt media will be right beside him developing the narrative.

Cleombrotus on June 14, 2013 at 10:49 AM

I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin and the Euros are stoking this hoping to empty out jihadi’s in their own territories.

Lots of chechens and european jihadis are joining that fight.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Obama wants a war in Syria to divert from his other problems. Senile old John McCain just wants war … any war. Lately whenever I see McCain I envision the scene from Dr. Strangelove with McCain riding the bomb.

bw222 on June 14, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Never let a crisis go to waste?

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 10:56 AM

You all realize, don’t you, that your comments are being tracked? I, on the other hand, think that the administration is doing a fine job of guiding world affairs. /

HiJack on June 14, 2013 at 10:44 AM

That ship has sailed, long long ago.

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 10:46 AM

I know, but I wanted to see what it felt like to be a troll. It feels lonely. And dirty. Very, very dirty. It makes me want to pity the poor suckers. But I won’t.

HiJack on June 14, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Red Line Crossed – so let’s hook the Rebels up with some chemweps of their own …

And then tell Putin that he can supply Assad with the same if he runs out.

This is a spinning plate of IslamoFascist death and I’d like to see it keep spinning awhile.

HondaV65 on June 14, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Obama has about as much political capital as Jimmy Carter had at the end of his term.
Rovin on June 14, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Yet we rush headlong to rescue his sinking presidency with immigration reform. Madness.

rrpjr on June 14, 2013 at 11:00 AM

BTW, if the helicopter hovering over my roof earlier could have called my cell we could adjust the yaw and pitch a bit and blow the unsightly grass shavings off the pavement corners of my driveway.

IlikedAUH2O on June 14, 2013 at 10:47 AM

You must be living near a small airport in western Washington state. There coming in droves all over the area the past few months practicing troop landings in small communities. But that’s nothing to worry about, right?

HiJack on June 14, 2013 at 11:00 AM

HiJack on June 14, 2013 at 11:00 AM

They’re

HiJack on June 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Do any of you remember the Gulf of Tonkin? “our” government lied and over 50,000 of our fine young men died. How can we believe anything from Obama or the damnocraps? Even a lot of the Republicans can not be trusted. Even our war hero McCain can not be trusted to maintain our freedom. He is a closet damnocrap and votes with them for their socialist laws that are destroying us.
Obama is a mudslime supported and lover. He is aiding and abetting our sworn enemies, the mudslime brotherhood. THIS IS TREASON!
Let these third world countries handle their own problems and shed their blood not American blood.
50 MILLION DOLLARS a day to enforce a no fly zone when we are broke is idiotic. Just another peg in the plan to destroy our monetary system which will destroy our country. Wake up “WE the PEOPLE” before we are the nest third world county with Odumba’s blessings.

harvey1 on June 14, 2013 at 11:04 AM

I know, but I wanted to see what it felt like to be a troll. It feels lonely. And dirty. Very, very dirty. It makes me want to pity the poor suckers. But I won’t.

HiJack on June 14, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Don’t think of it as trolling. Think of it as friendly banter. What you might do at a beer summit.

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 11:09 AM

So GubRmints LIE….. wow… that’s news…huh….

roflmmfao

donabernathy on June 14, 2013 at 11:10 AM

harvey1 on June 14, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Obviously, in light of HiJack’s warning, you meant: Obama is the greatest, we should send in ground troops now!

Ok, I’ve got to get some real work done now. This is all too depressing.

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 11:11 AM

harvey1 on June 14, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Over 58,000, to be more precise. And you’re correct that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a bold-faced lie to get us into that “conflict”. Let’s see, was that a Democratic or Republican president who did that to us? And was it a Democratic or Republican president who bombed the snot out of North Vietnam forcing them back to the negotiation table and finally getting us out of that hell hole? Of course, this was at a time that Democrats were not yet full-blown marxists/socialists, and Republicans were not yet Democrats…

HiJack on June 14, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Something does not make sense.

What did Syria gain by using Saran on a small number of rebels? Reportedly there were just over a hundred deaths. Chemical weapons are intended for use against thousands, not hundreds.

What did/would Assad really gain by using them against a small number of rebels that could not have been achieved by using conventional weapons?

Was he deliberately trying to provoke Comrade O into intervening?

farsighted on June 14, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Red Line Crossed – so let’s hook the Rebels up with some chemweps of their own …

And then tell Putin that he can supply Assad with the same if he runs out.

This is a spinning plate of IslamoFascist death and I’d like to see it keep spinning awhile.

HondaV65 on June 14, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Suck it up Obama voter, you own it.

slickwillie2001 on June 14, 2013 at 11:14 AM

What did/would Assad really gain by using them against a small number of rebels that could not have been achieved by using conventional weapons?

Was he deliberately trying to provoke Comrade O into intervening?

farsighted on June 14, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Good point, but maybe he was practicing.

HiJack on June 14, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Hard to tell . . . Obama is not beyond using such a fabrication as a distraction from the rest of the problems in his corrupt regime.

rplat on June 14, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Jew-bashing in the comments notwithstanding, they hit the nail right on the head nearly every time.

My wife is Syrian Catholic, and she has most of her family still there, desperate to get out. If Obama does anything, my wife will absolutely lose it.

onefortyseven on June 14, 2013 at 9:49 AM

I’ve seen that. It sickens me and thus I avoid the comments.

Check out Drudge…Obama plans to relocate tons of Syrian refugees here to America. Powers and Rice advocate this. This here is one sick country right about now.

NJ Red on June 14, 2013 at 9:51 AM

I suggest Zero should send them to Cambridge. Yeah that’s the ticket. Lets import some more Jihadis!

dogsoldier on June 14, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Check out Drudge…Obama plans to relocate tons of Syrian refugees here to America. Powers and Rice advocate this. This here is one sick country right about now.

NJ Red on June 14, 2013 at 9:51 AM

I suggest Zero should send them to Cambridge. Yeah that’s the ticket. Lets import some more Jihadis!

dogsoldier on June 14, 2013 at 11:27 AM

I expect they will carefully filter Christians out of any US refugee program.

slickwillie2001 on June 14, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Obama = neocon

blink on June 14, 2013 at 10:09 AM

He’s no neocon. If he was though, it would certainly be an improvement over being a community organizer.

UltimateBob on June 14, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Unfortunately the Syrian government has about as much credibility as the US government at this point, maybe more.

FloatingRock on June 14, 2013 at 11:51 AM

The US and NATO want to use the rebellion as leverage to get Bashar al-Assad to leave in order to break Iranian power on the Mediterranean, which would be a lovely goal if the only real alternative wasn’t a fractious collection of radical Sunni terrorist militias.

Feature, not a bug.

I’m sure I’m not the only one thinking or saying it.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 14, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Let the rebellion collapse before we get involved further. But if it collapses after we have gotten involved further then we have another Vietnam. With Syria and Iran garnering all the bragging rights and a mandate to continue there totalitarian methods.

jake49 on June 14, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Suck it up Obama voter, you own it.

slickwillie2001 on June 14, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Romney and Obama both supported the terrorist rebels during the campaign.

FloatingRock on June 14, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Obama needs til next week to formulate a plan because he hasn’t yet had enough time to ‘sleep on’ the decision.

Note to Mr Nappy: you have set such a high standard for yourself, what with overruling your generals and all, and Americans have come to have such high expectations of your Executive decision-main abilities, that NO amount of sleep between now and next week will allow you to make a satisfactory decision.

But go to sleep anyway. We won’t mind. Oh, wait; first set your alarm for Game 5 of the NBA Finals.

rwenger43 on June 14, 2013 at 12:03 PM

decision-main abilities

s/b “decision-making”

rwenger43 on June 14, 2013 at 12:05 PM

What did/would Assad really gain by using them against a small number of rebels that could not have been achieved by using conventional weapons?

Was he deliberately trying to provoke Comrade O into intervening?

farsighted on June 14, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Good point, but maybe he was practicing.

HiJack on June 14, 2013 at 11:14 AM

How do we know?

The initial reports were from french media…who also reported fake deaths of palestinians in Israeli conflicts.

The UN is not exactly a reliable source of information either.

And of course there’s our own stalwart legacy media…cause they always tell the truth and stick to the facts.

I follow the catholic blogs…who report what they know from the missionary and clergy networks in the region.

But that’s just me.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 12:12 PM

I may joke about arming both sides and standing back, but there’s really only one smart move to make here: refuse to help the Syrian rebels and offer conditional support to Assad as long as he plays nice, prevents persecution of Christians and other minority groups, and stops helping Iran destabilize the Middle East.

Yes, he’s still a bastard who would betray us in a heartbeat, but he’s a bastard who likes being in power, and is willing to cooperate as long as it’s to his advantage. That makes him a potentially stabilizing force in a region that badly needs it.

Frankly, there is no advantage to the US at all in helping al Quaeda linked rebels gain more power in Syria or anywhere else.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 14, 2013 at 12:13 PM

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