Rubio: New border-security amendment coming next week

posted at 8:01 am on June 14, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday, I interviewed Sen. Marco Rubio while guest-hosting The Hugh Hewitt show to get some answers on the failure of the Grassley amendment on the immigration bill, and to ask what the Gang of Eight would do to address concerns from border and immigration enforcement personnel about immigration reform.   Rubio told our listeners that the Grassley amendment would have delayed the collection of fines for years — and more importantly, that a new border-security amendment would come next week to specify the substance and metrics required to proceed:

Here is the full transcript, courtesy of The Hugh Hewitt Show:

EM: Joining me right now, Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida. Welcome to the show, sir.

MR: Thanks for having me on.

EM: Always a pleasure to talk with you. Now we are obviously watching what’s going on with the immigration bill, and the debate in the Senate with a great deal of interest and some concern, Senator Rubio, because Senator Grassley had proposed an amendment which seemed to toughen up the border security triggers at least, if not the visa program triggers. And that amendment seemed to have disappeared, or it was obviously voted down. I don’t mean to say it was disappeared.

MR: Right.

EM: It was voted down.

MR: Right.

EM: And that has a lot of people kind of concerned now about whether or not we’re going to have substantial triggers on border security that are verifiable and not bypassable.

MR: Well, first of all, we are, because it won’t pass without it, number one. And I just didn’t think the Grassley approach was the right approach, and although I know he’s trying to do the right thing, and I’ll explain to you why. Two things, three things, really, first is we didn’t want to wait to background check and identify the people that are here illegally. I want to do that as soon as possible. And the reason why I want to do that as soon as possible is because I don’t want the problem to get worse. I’m worried about if we wait another four years, or three years, and leave the de facto amnesty in place for two to three years, and that people know that at some point in the future, you might be doing something, it’s going to encourage people to come in. And the result is in three or four years, when we finally start the process, we may find out that instead of 11 million or 10 million, it’s 13 million or 14 million. So I want these people that are living in this country now illegally, I want to know who they are as soon as possible. I want them to undergo background checks, I want them to pay a fine, I want them to start paying taxes and working. And in exchange for all of that, they don’t get anything permanent. They don’t get a green card. They don’t get a path to citizenship. The only thing they get is a work permit, a temporary work permit that expires in six years, and they’ve got to come back and renew it. And that’s all they can have for ten years, and until E-verify and border security and the entry/exit tracking system is in place. Here’s my last point. The other thing is when these people come forward, as part of that registration, they’re going to have to pay a fine. And that money from those fines is what I think is what we’re going to use to pay for the border security. Those are billions of dollars. I don’t want that money coming from the American taxpayer, and I don’t want that money coming from the Treasury or adding to the debt. It needs to be paid for, and that’s why we need that fine money up front as well. The Grassley amendment delayed all that, and that was…the other problem with it is I don’t want to leave the border plan up to the Department of Homeland Security and Janet Napolitano. That’s a mistake that’s in the current bill. I think what we need to do is detail at a minimum standard, at a minimum, of what the border plan should be in detail. It must have this, it must have that. And the amendment didn’t do that, either. So we do need more border security. We need to improve the border security part of the bill. I didn’t think that was the best approach. There will be an alternative soon.

EM: When do you think we’re going to see an alternative that we can actually run down, because here’s the problem. The way that the bill is drafted at the moment, and I understand you’re talking about adding an amendment, but the way the bill is drafted at the moment, it does leave border security to the discretion of Janet Napolitano, or whoever the DHS secretary.

MR: Right, yeah.

EM: I mean, I…

MR: No, we have to change that.

EM: Yeah, I don’t want to pick on specific people here, because what we’re seeing over the last month or so in the IRS and possibly in the NSA, although we don’t know all the parameters of what happened there, but the ‘trust us’ factor is declined to probably historically low standards, Senator Rubio.

MR: Right.

EM: And so we need to see really concrete metrics as to what constitutes border security.

MR: Right, and that’s what we’re working, that’s what’s got to be in there, and that’s what we’re working on accomplishing. And I don’t think without it, it’ll have the 60 votes to pass the Senate, much less the House. And I’ve said that repeatedly now for weeks, so that’s exactly…so I think you’ll see something, God willing, early next week, so people can start to look at it. And a bunch of senators have been working on it. There are a lot of Republicans that want to be supportive of something, but need to be able to go back home and tell people that they have taken serious steps to ensure this never happens again. Like I said, it’s going to have to happen. It’s going to have to be in there, or this is not going to pass.

EM: Senator Rubio, we’ve been seeing some pushback from some of the rank and file in border patrol and immigration services saying that this, that the bill doesn’t allow them to enforce border security as it’s currently constituted. Have you heard some of this criticism?

MR: Yes.

EM: And what is your response to this, because these are the people who really probably know this best. They’re on the ground right now dealing with a lack of will to enforce what we do have on the books.

MR: Well, we’ve heard two separate criticisms. One is from the border patrol agents, the people on the front lines on the border. And not only have I met with them, but other senators have met with them. We’ve gotten a lot of input from them. And that’s some of the stuff that’s going to be in this specific plan. I mean, in essence, we don’t want to hear from the administrator, we don’t want to hear from Janet Napolitano. We want to hear from the people that are on the front lines trying to secure the border. And we’re taking all those ideas they’re giving us, and we’re working it into that specific plan that should be available, God willing, next week. The second issue is the internal enforcement. That’s ICE. Those are the ICE agents. And we have met with them on two occasions, and obviously our staffs have been talking to them. There’s a House bill that has some stuff that they want, so we’re trying to incorporate that stuff in this specific plan as well. So we do take very seriously the concerns that they have raised, quite frankly, not just with the bill. Their concern is that the bill doesn’t fix what’s broken in the status quo. I think they made valid points, and we’re taking all of those into consideration and working to incorporate them in whatever it is that comes forward next week.

EM: So we, just to make the point here in the interim while we’re continuing on, this is a work in progress, and we haven’t seen the final version of anything quite yet, because you’re still doing amendments, you’re still doing debate. Now with that said, Senator Chuck Schumer, one of the partners in the gang of eight, made statements that, and you’re going to have to help me out with this, that somehow the fines and the back taxes were not necessarily going to be imposed. Can you explain what’s going on with that, because again, you’re mentioning here that you’re counting on that money to help secure the border so it doesn’t cost American taxpayers anything.

MR: Right. First of all, what’s paying for the border security are the fines.

EM: The fines, yes.

MR: They’re going to have to pay a fine. That’s the consequence, one of the consequences of having broken our immigration laws. There’s not going to be any question about collecting those. Those are going to be collected. What we’re talking about are taxes on the money that the illegal immigrants have made during the years they’ve been in the country illegally. And so those are in our principles. I mean, that’s agreed to that that has to happen. The only question now is how do you make that happen, because practically speaking, you know, how do you prove that this is how much money they made in the past, and this is how much they owe, and that’s what we’re struggling with, is finding a way to implement that in a way that’s going to be done. Now right now, the way the bill has it is it requires them to pay back taxes, but it leaves it to the IRS to figure it out. Well, as you can imagine, our trust in the IRS is at an all-time low…

EM: Right.

MR: So we’re trying to figure out a way to make sure that that happens in a way that’s implementable, because going backwards and trying to get, calculate what people made over five years when they’ve been here illegally is not an easy thing to do, but it’s part of our principles, and it needs to be in the bill.

EM: Senator Rubio, you also made a comment about Democratic efforts to add recognition of gay marriage in terms of bringing in people in across the border. We only have like maybe 30 seconds left. Tell us about your objection to that, and why it’s such a fundamental objection for you.

MR: First of all, like I said, I respect people’s views on this issue. There’s a whole debate going on about that in this country. But if that gets on this bill, the bill is going to fail, and I can’t support it. I’ve already said that. I’m not trying to draw lines in the sand or issue ultimatums. I’m saying the same thing I said when it came up during the committee process. This is a delicate and difficult enough issue as it is, and I think most people in the Senate understand that.

EM: Senator Rubio, just very quickly, when can we expect to see the border security part of this bill being brought to the Senate?

MR: Well, I hope it’ll be next week. As I said, a bunch of other Republican senators outside the gang or the group of eight have taken leadership on it. I think that’s positive. I think that’s good. And so we’re pushing and hoping that that’s available as soon as possible.

EM: Senator Marco Rubio, thank you for joining us.

 

We had heard a couple of weeks ago that the Gang of Eight had more or less agreed to replace the original border-security provisions, which had left the substance and metrics to DHS.  After watching what had happened with Obama administration efforts to get around existing immigration law, but more likely what had happened at the IRS, a consensus formed that Congress should dictate the solutions rather than allow DHS to determine them independently. However, they want to preserve the timing of the original approach, which is why the Grassley amendment didn’t work.

I’m a little surprised that they took this long to finalize the amendment.  They need to get a true border-security package added quickly, because political momentum may shift quickly in the GOP on this without it, as Duane Patterson and I discussed at the end of the show (not included here).  They’re not out of time yet, but they had better move fast.  Timing counts in more than one way here.

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Electrongod on June 14, 2013 at 8:03 AM

…shut up Rube!

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2013 at 8:03 AM

…hi E g!

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2013 at 8:04 AM

The fc-ktard has moved on to plan C I see..his career is over.

celt on June 14, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Ed Morrissey

…you need to guest more shows!…you needed to be a little rougher on Rube the Ruse though!

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Marco “Benedict” Rubio is guilty of your typical bait-and-switch scheme. The bill he is pushing now in no way is the same bill he said he was crafting with the gang of eight. For months it was “secure the borders first” which has morphed into amnesty now and then we’ll worry about the border security. We were told that there would be no fast tracking of the illegals but the bill does precisely that for millions. The bill provides for DREAMers of all ages fast track status.

Which is what is disappointing. Rubio clearly thinks the American public is stupid when he continues to make the same lies about what the bill does and does not do.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2013 at 8:08 AM

No matter what ‘fixes’ they try, I won’t say anything good about rubio the same way I have nothing good to say about Obama, Schumber, McCain, and all the RINOs and other libs.

I hope Rubio gets primaried out of a job his next time around.

Liam on June 14, 2013 at 8:09 AM

If the border-”security” amendment doesn’t need scare quotes around “security”, it is as doomed as Grassley’s.

The one thing everybody in DC seems to agree on is there should be no such thing as an “illegal alien”. The argument is whether to keep them as second-class “legal” aliens or Rat-enhancing citizens.

Steve Eggleston on June 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM

What difference does it make to have a border security amendment when our Disaster in Chief will not enforce it anyway. Marco Rubio, God Bless his Soul, is very naive to think that this bill will stop illegal immigration.

JimGeb on June 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM

This smug punk is pushing a racial agenda, like most Hispanics. I’d say all, but that would make me a racist. I hope he eats a bad emapanada sometime soon.

abobo on June 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM

I would have liked to have seen Rubio challenged on his flip-flopping on this issue. He promised something completely different when he was running.

Would have also been nice to have seen him confronted with all the reasons why this would be a disaster.

It seems like Rubio is being treated with kid gloves. He stabbed us in the back and is selling us out.

bluegill on June 14, 2013 at 8:12 AM

God Bless his Soul, is very naive to think that this bill will stop illegal immigration.

JimGeb on June 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Sorry, he got caught saying something entirely different about “legitimizing the illegals before border security” on a Spanish language channel than he did on the English language outlets. That isn’t being naive, it is the slimiest kind of racial pandering.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Can someone explain to me why Rubio is being given a pass on this issue by so many conservatives? It infuriates me.

Hannity and even Levin are so soft on him. The guy is pushing for full-on illegal alien amnesty, and we are supposed to be okay with it because Rubio was once considered a darling of the conservative wing?

The guy is as big a disappointment as Christie.

bluegill on June 14, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Sorry, he got caught saying something entirely different about “legitimizing the illegals before border security” on a Spanish language channel than he did on the English language outlets. That isn’t being naive, it is the slimiest kind of racial pandering.
Happy Nomad on June 14, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Why wasn’t Rubio taken to task about this in the interview?

bluegill on June 14, 2013 at 8:17 AM

….stink!
TROLLCOT

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2013 at 8:18 AM

…hi E g!

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2013 at 8:04 AM

Good morning..

Electrongod on June 14, 2013 at 8:18 AM

The guy is as big a disappointment as Christie.

bluegill on June 14, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Rubio isn’t nearly as big as Christie. But it comes as no surprise. November 7th he was talking about the aftermath of the election in terms of the GOP needing to do more in the way of social justice and wealth redistribution. It was that point that it became clear to me that he was a RINO.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2013 at 8:19 AM

What difference does it make to have a border security amendment when our Disaster in Chief will not enforce it anyway. Marco Rubio, God Bless his Soul, is very naive to think that this bill will stop illegal immigration.

JimGeb on June 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM

The same regime that has to enforce those “fines” Rubio keeps taking about. What happens if the illegal doesn’t pay them? Nothing. That’s what. Is Rubio dumb or malevolent?

Rational Thought on June 14, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Is Rubio dumb or malevolent?

Rational Thought on June 14, 2013 at 8:20 AM

I go with malevolent.

Liam on June 14, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Is Rubio dumb or malevolent?

Rational Thought on June 14, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Who said the question was an either/or one?

Steve Eggleston on June 14, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Rubio may end up doing more damage to the country than almost any other senator this year.

bluegill on June 14, 2013 at 8:24 AM

The same regime that has to enforce those “fines” Rubio keeps taking about. What happens if the illegal doesn’t pay them? Nothing. That’s what. Is Rubio dumb or malevolent?

Rational Thought on June 14, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Here’s what really bugs me about Rubio. He talks about border security in terms of controlling the flow of illegals. It is only in passing that he brings up the relation of border security to national security.

For me, border security is a national security issue with an immigration control aspect to it. For RINOs like Rubio border security is mostly a sideshow in the push for universal amnesty for the illegals. DC has the entirely wrong set of priorities here.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Is Rubio dumb or malevolent?

Rational Thought on June 14, 2013 at 8:20 AM

I go with malevolent.

Liam on June 14, 2013 at 8:22 AM

Both.

gryphon202 on June 14, 2013 at 8:26 AM

This Amnesty is a gigantic welfare piñata for low info and low skilled uneducated future Democrat voters

Ann Coulter is right – the Republican Party deserves to die

TexasJew on June 14, 2013 at 8:26 AM

I’m a little surprised that they took this long to finalize the amendment. They need to get a true border-security package added quickly, because political momentum may shift quickly in the GOP on this without it, as Duane Patterson and I discussed at the end of the show (not included here). They’re not out of time yet, but they had better move fast. Timing counts in more than one way here.

Can someone get me up to speed on this? Does Ed WANT this to pass? He is waiting to see what the final version will be? Is he okay with legalizing millions like this??

Please tell me he isn’t.

bluegill on June 14, 2013 at 8:26 AM

as far as answers to any significant question asked…anybody see an answer beyong “we realize that and we’re working on it”? This will be another say we will and then don’t on border enforcement. Enforcement needs to be throughout the nation at every turn. Not if you can get in we’ll let you stay.

Looks like we’re done as a nation. Both parties are going for amnesty.

DanMan on June 14, 2013 at 8:26 AM

…stink!
…those deadly silent farts are being blown on every thread lately!…is the hair falling out of everyone’s nose?…and your lungs collapsing?…gagging!

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2013 at 8:27 AM

I agree with blueballs?

Please shoot me.

bazil9 on June 14, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Hahahahahaha….Ed you just let him divert and distract. Rubio is a big government RINO con.

MoreLiberty on June 14, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Please shoot me.

bazil9 on June 14, 2013 at 8:27 AM

…with a .22?…or do you need a higher caliber?

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2013 at 8:29 AM

Ann Coulter is right – the Republican Party deserves to die

TexasJew on June 14, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Yep- she can go down with them.
She is one of them.

bazil9 on June 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Rubio always wanted open borders:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/24/rubio-has-long-history-of-blocking-immigration-enforcement/

Yet so-called conservatives continue to kiss his ring because he is a “naturally conservative Hispanic.” Wake up!

Valiant on June 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

KOOLAID2 on June 14, 2013 at 8:29 AM

a .22 will work..aim for the head.

bazil9 on June 14, 2013 at 8:30 AM

bazil9 on June 14, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Time to start drinking heavily, m’dear.:)

kingsjester on June 14, 2013 at 8:31 AM

The key wording needs to be “legislation fails”…

hillsoftx on June 14, 2013 at 8:31 AM

kingsjester on June 14, 2013 at 8:31 AM

Pray for me KJ. lol
Don’t worry..it won’t last long. :)

bazil9 on June 14, 2013 at 8:32 AM

When Rubio started hanging out with Juan mcAmnestry and his pet dot, Lindsey Grahamnesty, he forgot the old adage,

You are judged by the company you keep.

And, unfortunately, he proved it to be accurate.

NO AMNESTY. SECURE THE BORDERS NOW.

kingsjester on June 14, 2013 at 8:33 AM

I have zero faith that laws liberals find objectionable will ever be enforced.

mjbrooks3 on June 14, 2013 at 8:34 AM

“pet dog”…but “dot” works, too. LOL!

kingsjester on June 14, 2013 at 8:34 AM

why is anyone even giving this liar radio time?

Rush was pretty po’d yesterday at his golfing buddy, Marco for using him a few weeks ago.

stenwin77 on June 14, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Eventually there will be an alternative to the GOP.That day can’t come soon enough.

celtic warrior on June 14, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Separate bills. PERIOD.

Border security now.

Look at how we deal with the law-breaking invaders in a year AFTER the border is secure.

stenwin77 on June 14, 2013 at 8:36 AM

The American trust in Government is down to about 10% . The American people know you cant trust the political Dhimocrapts. They lie; they manipulate the process; when they do agree to do something, they don’t follow up later. Every time we get a spend/tax reduction/appropriation bill, all we get is the appropriation part. When we got border/security before/amnesty, all we got was amnesty. Political dhims are liars and grifters. The enemy press aids and abets them.

How many times do the dhims get to move the football when the conservatives try to kick it?

Old Country Boy on June 14, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Would have been nice for Ed to ya know..ask him about his evolution.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/how-marco-rubio-evolved-on-immigration-reform-20130129

He punked us in Fl…and the Tea Party peeps.
He lied to win. He slammed orange crisp on amnesty..Yet..here we are.

bazil9 on June 14, 2013 at 8:37 AM

There will be no border security.

Americans are second class citizens, if that. All foreign nationals have priority over US citizens. We’re merely slaves meant to work and provide money to democrats and their legions of ignorant voters.

darwin on June 14, 2013 at 8:38 AM

And thats what I voted and donated for…. I cant believe it.

Valkyriepundit on June 14, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Rubio had such promise. He has truly screwed himself with me and most conservatives.

Big Orange on June 14, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Illegal aliens already get to live here, make money, and receive benefits. Why are any going to step forward and pay a fine? Why do we think they aren’t perfectly fine “living in the shadows”? Doesn’t that allow them to do what they are continuing to do without any penalty or consequence? Who says they even want to be a part of this country? Why does anyone assume that?

So many questions….

GiantOrb on June 14, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Separate bills. PERIOD.

stenwin77 on June 14, 2013 at 8:36 AM

They should be separate bills. Border security should be something of a concern to all Congressmen no matter how they feel about giving amnesty to the illegals. We actually need three bills. One on border security which is a national security issue. One dealing with the illegals. And one on immigration reform (which this current “comprehensive” bill dosen’t even begin to address).

Frankly, in the name of fairness, I say any amnesty scheme needs to take the quotas for any illegal getting amnesty off the top of the quota from the home nation of the illegal. Why should immigrants trying to do it right be penalized because they can’t sneak over the border? It would be generations before any new immigrants come from some of the nations to our south.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2013 at 8:43 AM

One Dem said it will take years and tears and years to secure the border. The unstated part is that he seems to feel, “Why bother trying?”

If it’s going to take years to secure the border, then we can hold off this amnesty idea until then. Even though that’s a load of crap. There’s a Marine base at 29 Palms, CA, that can start securing an area right away. Just issue them rubber bullets and tell them where to aim and shoot (I prefer FMJ but I’m willing to quibble a little).

There is nothing difficult about this at all, except for the politicians making it that way.

Liam on June 14, 2013 at 8:44 AM

I know we’re going through a rough patch with our federal government right now, but let’s try to look on the bright side and list all its positive features. I’ll let someone else begin because I’m still thinking about it.

claudius on June 14, 2013 at 8:45 AM

They’re not out of time yet, but they had better move fast. Timing counts in more than one way here.

“I can’t offer this deal all day. The “Xtra Large Shamwow Supersucker” is only available till midnight..so order now and we’ll throw in a second Supersucker FREE..(just pay extra shipping and handling charger).

Mimzey on June 14, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Sure…………………….
They will pay the fines. THAT will be enforced.
LMFAO.

Now right now, the way the bill has it is it requires them to pay back taxes, but it leaves it to the IRS to figure it out. Well, as you can imagine, our trust in the IRS is at an all-time low…

EM: Right.

MR: So we’re trying to figure out a way to make sure that that happens in a way that’s implementable, because going backwards and trying to get, calculate what people made over five years when they’ve been here illegally is not an easy thing to do, but it’s part of our principles, and it needs to be in the bill.

ROTFLMAO- I gotta go..I just ruptured something.

bazil9 on June 14, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Too bad this didn’t come out early enough for Ed to ask him about:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/13/the-secret-dui-factor/

Every time I think this boondoggle can’t get any worse, it does.

brainy435 on June 14, 2013 at 8:49 AM

The same regime that has to enforce those “fines” Rubio keeps taking about. What happens if the illegal doesn’t pay them? Nothing. That’s what. Is Rubio dumb or malevolent?

Rational Thought on June 14, 2013 at 8:20 AM

I think Rubio thinks the illegal immigrants will vote for him personally. Which may be true. Maybe. And it’s going to be waaaaay more than 11 million.

This guy has the right idea. When somebody is in custody already, actually deport them. And you know, e-verify for everybody else. Except the apparatchiks don’t want to do that and you don’t need any new laws to make it doubleplusunlegal. And it’ll take a lot more cases like this to break through the media’s misinformation.

The good news is, there will be a lot more cases like that. The bad news is, there will be a lot more cases like that.

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 8:51 AM

I know we’re going through a rough patch with our federal government right now, but let’s try to look on the bright side and list all its positive features. I’ll let someone else begin because I’m still thinking about it.

claudius on June 14, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Well, almost all the other countries in the world are more messed up than the USA is. But don’t worry, we’re working on alleviating that disparity post haste.

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Rubio and his bill are Trojan Horses.

Although liberal and “conservative” elites will largely be insulated from the consequences of this legislation, I hope they and their less financially secure fellow travelers suffer from retaining and inviting all kinds of lawbreakers into the country.

The criminal background check provisions in this bill are a joke. The border enforcement forces are going to be transferred so that they fall under the authority of the civil-rights arm of the DOJ? Also, they are transferring the task of assimilating immigrants to ACORN-type groups, so along with half-hearted attempts to teach them English and U.S. history and civics, they’ll be signing them up for every conceivable federal benefit and indoctrinating them into progressive philosophy–all funded in perpetuity under this bill and without Congressional oversight.

This bill should be scrutinized line by line with questions about why are they do thus and so.

Daily Caller has a 20-minute video dated June 9 of Betsy something (former Lt. Governor of NY) who’s an extraordinary Obamacare critic and who now has turned her attention to poring over Rubio’s bill. It’s must see.

BuckeyeSam on June 14, 2013 at 8:57 AM

MR: Two things, three things, really, first is we didn’t want to wait to background check and identify the people that are here illegally. I want to do that as soon as possible.

Why doesn’t anyone ever challenge him on this bull$hit?

Just this past week, a group that had served an FOIA on DHS in relation to the DREAM Act-by-executive-order revealed what DHS had disclosed. DHS has received hundreds of thousands of DREAMer amnesty applications so far. Guess what kind of “background check” DHS has performed on those applications? None. Guess how many DREAMer amnesty applications DHS has approved to date: more than 99.5%.

DHS says it has been overwhelmed with applications and does not have the money or the manpower to perform background checks on all the DREAMer amnesty applications. So it has “streamlined” the process — meaning it has simply been rubber-stamping “APPROVED” on the applications as they come in. They’re not doing criminal background checks, and they’re not even requiring photo IDs to be submitted with the applications!

Rubio’s justification for granting amnesty to untold millions of illegal aliens is that we need to “bring them out of the shadows so we can know who they are.” But to do that, we need real background checks. And it is very clear that that is never going to happen. DHS does not have the money, the personnel, or the political will, to perform tens of millions of background checks on illegals. They can’t/won’t even perform background checks on a few hundred thousand DREAMer amnesty applicants.

AZCoyote on June 14, 2013 at 8:57 AM

I know we’re going through a rough patch with our federal government right now, but let’s try to look on the bright side and list all its positive features. I’ll let someone else begin because I’m still thinking about it.

claudius on June 14, 2013 at 8:45 AM

The majority of the men and women of our armed forces.

After that it gets a bit hazy.

Bishop on June 14, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 8:55 AM

We have their blueprints. We are under construction.
From healthcare to open borders.

bazil9 on June 14, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Ed,

First, let me say that was a great interview. I only read the transcript, but you asked important real questions and got some direct answers.

Second, I am doubtful the socialists will allow any serious border protection in the bill. You can be real sure I’m gonna read whatever they come up with.

Third,

I want them to pay a fine, I want them to start paying taxes and working. And in exchange for all of that, they don’t get anything permanent. They don’t get a green card. They don’t get a path to citizenship. The only thing they get is a work permit, a temporary work permit that expires in six years

This won’t happen. Nor should it. Rubio and all the rest are Wrong doing this.

They are REWARDING CRIMINALS.

Supporters make the straw man lie that we can’t send them all home.

There is a simple fact that disproves that. THEY ARE HERE. They just didn’t magically show up, did they? No one is saying they want to round up all the illegals AT ONCE and march them across the border.

THAT IS THE LIE.

We can send them back a few at a time, just the same way they got here. Save the sob stories. I will not listen. We have 30 million Americans who need work. I’ll save my sympathy for them.

dogsoldier on June 14, 2013 at 8:59 AM

And why are they making huge increases in Guest worker program visas?

dogsoldier on June 14, 2013 at 9:01 AM

He’s not dumb. He’s a clever opportunist. He’s using Tea Party rhetoric to advance an agenda conservatives hate. Snake in the grass, wolf in sheep’s clothing, slimy rat. He has a pleasant exterior and reminds me of John Edwards.

Burke on June 14, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Sure, all these illegals are going to admit to working and not paying taxes so they can pay a fine when there is no penalty to say “No, I wasn’t working”?

Where does this stupidity come from? Jeebus, our nation is in the hands of retards and outright dolts, where do they come up with this shiite?

Bishop on June 14, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Bishop on June 14, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Remember the saying:

Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice.

I may have mixed up the quote a little bit, I think this is currently more appropriate.

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM

The same regime that has to enforce those “fines” Rubio keeps taking about. What happens if the illegal doesn’t pay them? Nothing. That’s what. Is Rubio dumb or malevolent?

Rational Thought on June 14, 2013 at 8:20 AM

He’s both.

Rubio’s amnesty bill gives Janet Napolitano the authority to waive the payment of any and all fees, for as many illegal aliens as she pleases. If she wants to, she has the power to waive all the fees for every illegal alien amnesty applicant. All the illegal alien has to do is claim that it would be a “financial hardship” for him/her to pay the fee, and Janet can wave her magic wand and make it go away.

AZCoyote on June 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Where does this stupidity come from? Jeebus, our nation is in the hands of retards and outright dolts, where do they come up with this shiite?

Bishop on June 14, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Did ya hear about the South Dakota pol discussing her state’s border with Canada?

You can’t make that stuff up.

dogsoldier on June 14, 2013 at 9:10 AM

dogsoldier on June 14, 2013 at 9:10 AM

Who..McCain’s new girlfriend?
Got a link?

bazil9 on June 14, 2013 at 9:11 AM

McCain was just on FNC.

Evidently, he’s more upset about Syria than the hordes who have invaded–and who will invade–our borders.

BuckeyeSam on June 14, 2013 at 9:13 AM

…they’re going to have to pay a fine. And that money from those fines is what I think is what we’re going to use to pay for the border security. Those are billions of dollars.

Uh-huh. What will they do when the majority of those who actually do “come out of the shadows” say they can’t afford to pay a fine? Deport them? Yeah, right. If these fines generate “billions of dollars”, I’ll eat my sombrero.

KS Rex on June 14, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Where does this stupidity come from? Jeebus, our nation is in the hands of retards and outright dolts, where do they come up with this shiite?

Bishop on June 14, 2013 at 9:03 AM

It’s hard to believe, but we actually elect them and pay them to do this shiite.

claudius on June 14, 2013 at 9:14 AM

And that money from those fines is what I think is what we’re going to use to pay for the border security.

Heh. You think? What a fukcing joke this is. Bait and switch all the way.

Jaibones on June 14, 2013 at 9:15 AM

IRS inteviewer-Sixto how much money have you earned in the 5 years you have been in this country illegally?

Sixto-$13.00
IRS inteviewer-You know you owe taxes on that amount?
Sixto-Si Si

docflash on June 14, 2013 at 9:16 AM

BuckeyeSam on June 14, 2013 at 9:13 AM

But I am sure he has a woody for 1000′s of Syrians they want to let come to America!

bazil9 on June 14, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice.

Hahahahahahaha.

Jaibones on June 14, 2013 at 9:17 AM

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/06/12/overwhelming-amnesty-applications-force-dhs-to-cut-background-checks-76436

AZCoyote on June 14, 2013 at 9:11 AM

I suppose Gingrich would have been buried, but he’s was vilified for a softer position than Romney’s graceless “self-deportation” position that hurt tremendously in the general.

Gingrich suggested that illegal immigrants of longstanding presences in the U.S. be reviewed by a local board of the community in which they live. Maybe that would have been a rubber stamp, I don’t know. But it sounded as if it gave communities a chance to look under the hood of these people. Instead, we’re going to get a process executed by lazy bureaucrats who will be pressured by liberals up the ladder to push for uncritical approvals.

Again, I hope the people who support this legislation get run over by all the DUI offenders they want to legalize and subsidize.

BuckeyeSam on June 14, 2013 at 9:19 AM

…they’re going to have to pay a fine. And that money from those fines is what I think is what we’re going to use to pay for the border security. Those are billions of dollars.

LOL. Right, and the billions of dollars we’re going to get from those millions of low/no-skill illegal aliens (with an average 10th grade education level) is also going to pay for all the new personnel that DHS will need to hire/train to perform millions of background checks on all those amnesty applications.

(In addition to paying for all the new border security measures).

They really do think we’re idiots.

AZCoyote on June 14, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Rubio is delusional. He can’t really believe that this complicated mess is ever going to work as he’s helped design. Those here illegally aren’t ever going to pay a fine or taxes. We’ll pay higher taxes to pay for our border security which we should pay for anyway cuz it’s our country. They won’t learn English, either.

Kissmygrits on June 14, 2013 at 9:23 AM

It’s all fine and dandy to talk about what terrible things illegal aliens will have to go through before they gets citizenship. But what happens to them when they inevitably don’t go through all the hoops in the bill? Do they go “back in the shadows.” In a few years do we get another “fix” to the “crisis” created by including so many requirements in the bill (in order to say its not amnesty) that a third or half of the illegals never bother to complete the progress? This approach is either amnesty now or amnesty in a few years no matter what anyone says.

Fred 2 on June 14, 2013 at 9:27 AM

They won’t learn English, either.

Kissmygrits on June 14, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Rubio’s bill doesn’t require them to learn English. It does require them to be enrolled in an English class, but only if they’re going to apply for U.S. citizenship.

But don’t worry. La Raza and other “community organizing” groups are getting millions of dollars in grants to help “immigrants” learn their rights under the new amnesty law. No doubt La Raza will earn itself even more money by printing up some lovely “certificates of enrollment” that it will sell to amnesty applicants for a few bucks, so they can “prove” they have “learned” English.

AZCoyote on June 14, 2013 at 9:27 AM

smoke and mirrors. It looks like there will be “standards” for citizenship. However, none of them is enforceable and there is even no mechanism to setup up the enforcement.

Oil Can on June 14, 2013 at 9:30 AM

The liberals and Rinos have really moved the mark on amesty. just two years ago any talk about any kind of leaglization including a psuedo citizen guest prorgam was poisonous.
Now, they demand provisional amnesty before they even talk about enforcing border or current law. However, they have never kept their promise on border security and enforcing the law. It is a promise outsand since 1986, and they have no tinetention of honoring it now.

paulsur on June 14, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Then they’re malicious retards because they aren’t smart enough to try and dress up the scheme in something other than a smear of their own poop applied by hand.

My teenage kids could see right through this, yet our Rulers really expect all of us to say “Yeah, looks good to me.”

Bishop on June 14, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Marco Rubeo = RINO J@ck@$$ of the day

We have decided that “anybody but the incumbent” will be our future voting choice.
If you truly want change, throw them all out.
III

dirtengineer on June 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM

“Captain, there’s a huge hole in the boat and water is pouring in”
“Not to worry, I’ve got the solution. First we need to identify what type of water is already in the boat as well as the temperature of that water. Then we need to all get together and agree that the water in the boat is part of the boat. “

Lost in Jersey on June 14, 2013 at 9:45 AM

They get a six year work permit. Then they can go get a drivers license. While there, they will be sure to register to vote (depending on the states motor voter laws), then…

PROFIT for the Dems!

Having only read the transcript, looks like .Rubio got away with another softball interview.

IKNEW he pull that “we have to identify them first” garbage.

BTW…the only reason we have “de-facto amnesty” now is because this administration refuses to enforce the law.

catmman on June 14, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Then they’re malicious retards because they aren’t smart enough to try and dress up the scheme in something other than a smear of their own poop applied by hand.

My teenage kids could see right through this, yet our Rulers really expect all of us to say “Yeah, looks good to me.”

Bishop on June 14, 2013 at 9:40 AM

They’re smart enough to realize they don’t need to dress it up. I’m reminded of the difference in advertising to engineers and the general public. In the former you tend to see a lot of facts. In the latter you see a lot of bikini girls.

Fenris on June 14, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Rubio=Fool

Bmore on June 14, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Marco…

Go to he11.

trs on June 14, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Hey Ed! Is that honey bucket you’re carrying for Rubio getting a little heavy?

tomshup on June 14, 2013 at 10:09 AM

I like Rubio, but he’s playing a word game.

It’s all inverted language, designed to sell and not actual policy details.

So I want these people that are living in this country now illegally, I want to know who they are as soon as possible. I want them to undergo background checks, I want them to pay a fine, I want them to start paying taxes and working. And in exchange for all of that, they don’t get anything permanent. They don’t get a green card. They don’t get a path to citizenship. The only thing they get is a work permit, a temporary work permit that expires in six years, and they’ve got to come back and renew it. And that’s all they can have for ten years, and until E-verify and border security and the entry/exit tracking system is in place.

This is meant to convey he’s more concerned about than even you. He wants it done faster, then even you do.

And he wants their fines and taxes now.

If that was the case, then why did the Dems not vote for Grassley’s amendment?

And if it’s only a work permit, why is so hard to get a line included to declare they do not have the right to vote?

I mean, according to AEI, it’s only 775 of the 11 million that are eligible voters. So if it’s that innocuous, why can’t we a Cruz amendment that says “no voting rights until border and entry/exit system are completed.

He’s becoming very Obamaesque in his language. Not good at all.

budfox on June 14, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Ed,

Rubio did not deserve the politeness you extended to him. He’s been lying about this legislation all along, it’s more than obvious that he and his office took no part in the actual crafting of the legislation, and that he is looking to others to craft amendments now.

He returns to boiler plate comments whenever questioned about any aspect of the bill. Another totally shoddy performance by Rubio.

pilsener on June 14, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Someone needs to remind “Junior” (and I don’t mean it in a derogatory manor, just that he was too young at the time to remember it) of the Democratic promises that never seem to be fulfilled. You can give him literature regarding Bush Sr.’s tax increase and the promises the Democrats made that never transpired. You can point to the promises this President has made regarding ObamaCare (no illegals, no abortions) and his recent comments on immigration (need to speak English). None of the promises in ObamaCare has transpired and there is no language in this bill that requires assimilation.

djaymick on June 14, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Hannity and even Levin are so soft on him. The guy is pushing for full-on illegal alien amnesty, and we are supposed to be okay with it because Rubio was once considered a darling of the conservative wing?

Just before Rubio went on with Ed yesterday, Levin was playing the Conservatives for a New Direction ad and pointing out all of the lies. He was also calling Rubio and Paul Ryan liars for what they have been saying. Levin is done with the kid gloves on Rubio. A couple of nights before, Levin wanted Ryan to come onto his show, and Ryan declined…and refused to offer up another date that he would be available. Levin wasn’t too happy.

Conservative in NOVA on June 14, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Smoochy kisses from the Rubio interviewers is very telling. Ed is a big Rino like most here!

el Vaquero on June 14, 2013 at 10:32 AM

I’m sick of Rubio’s snake oil on this issue. Screw amendments. Deal with border security separately. Enforce the laws we have on the books. We shouldn’t even be having this discussion until the border is secure.

TarheelBen on June 14, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Go to hell, Punk.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 10:49 AM

A thought experiment:

Let’s say for the sake of argument that we work out something. We get a fence/security and the 11 million get their legal status.

What I want to know is this: What will the immigration policy be for relatives of those 11 million?

Are we really talking about 20 million in total? 30 million? 40 million?!!

theFantom on June 14, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Ed – I have tremendous respect for you, but this bill will do great harm to America and someone needs to get in Rubio’s face and make him squirm and force him to address the real issues. Opportunity missed…

Shorter EM/MR interview:

EM: Senator Rubio, nice to talk with you. Now say soothing words to fool and calmi those Americans who oppose the bill. Go.

MR: Trust the Gangsters! We will so “secure the borders”. Unlike every other time we said we’d secure America’s borders, *this time* we really, really, really mean it. Seriously.. trust me.

MR: Oh, and the IRS is gonna grow a heck of lot more so it can figure out somehow how much these tens of millions of foreign nationals made while they lived here illegally. Yeah we know that can’t be done and that part of the law will be shot down by the courts for being discriminatory and/or profiling anyway. But once the bill passes we’ll find something else for all those tens of thousands of IRS agents to do… Trust me.

DrDeano on June 14, 2013 at 11:14 AM

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