Obama official: We probably would have said that Assad had crossed the “red line” even if we didn’t have evidence

posted at 11:21 am on June 14, 2013 by Allahpundit

An unusually damning Kinselyan gaffe, tucked away by Politico inside a story about how circumstances in Syria have supposedly forced Obama’s hand on intervention or something. You would think, in light of the endless criticism of Bush over Iraq, government officials would studiously avoid the impression that they’re using WMD claims as a pretext for intervening in a Middle Eastern country. But here we are:

“The decision was ultimately driven by the discovery Assad used [chemical weapons] but there were a number of other factors in place that were also important,” conceded an administration official with direct knowledge of the deliberations.

“Would we have made [the determination Assad had breached the red line] even if we didn’t have the evidence? Probably.”

“Probably.” And he’s right, which is what makes this a Kinsleyan gaffe. O’s under pressure to move quickly now because Assad and Hezbollah are starting to pulverize the rebels, not because they’re threatening to gas people en masse. Even yesterday’s White House statement announcing that the “red line” had been crossed acknowledged that the total number of deaths from chemical weapons attacks in Syria are a tiny percentage of the total death toll over the past two years. We’re intervening because O’s decided, apparently, that American prestige can’t tolerate the prospect of Assad winning the war after the president of the United States declared that he must go. Whether the region would be more or less stable if Assad survives and whether we’re getting in bed with a group of Sunni fanatics who’ll come back to haunt us are important, but ultimately secondary, considerations.

The reason they’re stressing the WMD “red line,” and the reason why the anonymous official quoted by Politico blithely notes that they would have stressed it even if they didn’t have hard evidence to back it up, is because it’s one of the few elements of the conflict that actually does move American public opinion. See the links in yesterday’s post for numbers on that. If you tell the electorate we need to dive into this clusterfark as a matter of U.S. prestige or because the Saudi-backed Sunni lunatics are ever so slightly preferable to the Iran-backed Shiite lunatics, you won’t see the numbers move much. Tell them that the WMD genie is out of the bottle, though, and they pause. That’s what the “red line” is ultimately about. Sarin is special. We have to act.

Here’s a question that cuts to the heart of the “logic” of O’s decision:

It won’t. Arguably, in fact, it’ll end up giving Assad reasons to use chemical weapons that he didn’t have before. Either he’ll cite the rebels’ new armaments as a pretext to start gassing people, to defy the United States, or the rebels will turn the tide and leave Assad in straits so desperate that he decides he has nothing left to lose by using sarin on a wide scale. Or maybe the rebels will overrun his stockpiles and they’ll start using sarin on the Shiites instead, which would leave the White House with one of the all-time great foreign-policy backfires. The point to take away here is that none of his has much to do with the “responsibility to protect” doctrine that new UN ambassador Samantha Power is so fond of (way, way too late for that, and more arms for jihadis will only up the death toll) or with somehow strategically tying Assad’s hands so that he can’t use WMD again going forward. It’s really just retaliation. We told him not to use gas, he embarrassed us by doing it anyway, and now he’s embarrassing us again by winning a war after we told him he had to go. So now we’re going to arm the terrorists on the other side and let them bleed him as much as possible, hopefully to the point that he decides he’s had enough and will agree to some ultimately unsustainable partition of the country into Sunni and Alawaite mini-states. Full speed ahead.


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This is the gaffe of the year. There really should be an awards ceremony for the best gaffe by a politician each year.

SC.Charlie on June 14, 2013 at 11:26 AM

The Administration wants to intervene, and that’s the end of it. Why aren’t the LSM up in arms over it?

Liam on June 14, 2013 at 11:27 AM

O/T: Just been confirmed that Sharyl Attkisson’s computer was hacked.

topdawg on June 14, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Won’t this also have the effect of increased arms flowing to Assad from Russia?

BKeyser on June 14, 2013 at 11:29 AM

We could send Ambassador Stevens over to negoti…….wait….um…nevermind.

VegasRick on June 14, 2013 at 11:29 AM

This is simply a pretext for gradual escalation.

Notwithstanding the fact we have no idea who the rebels are fully comprised of, we do know they contain large terrorist elements including Al Qaeda. This is who we are “arming” and will probably use an every increasing “no-fly zone” to do it.

The president has yet to identify our acute national security interest in this conflict. The reasoning put forth is largely a pathos appeal underwritten by some tangential ethos elements. That’s not a casus belli. It’s a political argument (or perhaps distraction) couched in seemingly sonorous language.

So we will use our assets and put good men’s lives at risk for what? Why now? What is our goal? When will we know the mission is accomplished?

This whole thing stinks until we get some very precise answers.

Marcus Traianus on June 14, 2013 at 11:31 AM

State Run Media: Is there anything we can do to help you with that squirrel..?

d1carter on June 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM

We could send Ambassador Stevens over to negoti…….wait….um…nevermind.

Now that Hugo is gone, maybe we could send Sean Penn. He needs a new BFF dictator.

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Beyond arrogance, they’re literally daring us to call them out on their many lies.

abobo on June 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM

A dozen or so snarky remarks immediately came to mind, but they were trumped by the futility of having the Obama administration in charge of our future. sigh.

BettyRuth on June 14, 2013 at 11:33 AM

OT:

CBS News confirms multiple breaches of Sharyl Attkisson’s computer

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/06/14/cbs-news-confirms-multiple-breaches-of-sharyl-attkissons-computer/

sentinelrules on June 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Won’t this also have the effect of increased arms flowing to Assad from Russia?

BKeyser on June 14, 2013 at 11:29 AM

This azzhole will get us into a hot war with Russia. In just over 25 years we have gone from “Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall” to “can’t I just eat my waffle?”.

VegasRick on June 14, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Obama official: We probably would have said that Assad had crossed the “red line” even if we didn’t have evidence

After we heard it on the news, Like you people.

Please, Leftists on here, WHERE ARE YOU??

Your posts have disappeared….

THE MOST F*CKED UP ADMINISTRATION SINCE…..

Every citizen of this Nation should have to view the
grilling FBI Director Mueller got yesterday.

This Nation would be better served if the residents of
Bellevue were in charge.

WHAT A F*CKING MESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ToddPA on June 14, 2013 at 11:37 AM

The Administration wants to intervene, and that’s the end of it. Why aren’t the LSM up in arms over it?

Because its Barry’s propaganda wing. Not gonna give their idol any grief over this, I think. Maybe they can tie intervention to the sequester.

Barry, or should I say Valerie, will find a way to intervene and not draw too much ire from the LIV.

Barry needs to appease the MB who have to have Syria in its clutches, and Barry wants to flood our country with yet another wave of hundreds of thousands unverified muzzie refugees fleeing the conflict and have the State Dept stick them in unsuspecting communities at taxpayer expense.

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 11:37 AM

He’s going to send our troops over there isn’t he?

gophergirl on June 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Unstinkingbelievable
This is dear leader so no worries
-lsm

cmsinaz on June 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM

I sure wish you, and everyone else would stop using “the polls say…” as if they made any sort of difference one way or the other. For goodness sake, who cares what a poll about an issue says. Haven’t we learned by know that 1) Polls are consciously biased by the pollster (e.g. form of question) and 2) that the morons that they are polling (e.g. information deficient Americans) don’t know anything about the issues.

RedManBlueState on June 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM

This azzhole will get us into a hot war with Russia. In just over 25 years we have gone from “Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall” to “can’t I just eat my waffle?”.

And while he does just that, the PRC will find opportunity in the making for its agenda.

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM

1. Obama wags big dog – to divert from collapse of all his Utopian pipedreams

2. Lots of blood and treasure will be shed so that Obama’s brothers rule in Syria too

3. In Syria all are the enemies of the USA.

4. Leftists are the biggest hypocrites and tyrants in the world.

Name one nation, I triple dare you, which is free/freer, due to Obama.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM

We’re intervening because O’s decided, apparently, that American prestige can’t tolerate the prospect of Assad winning the war after the president of the United States declared that he must go.

Bill Clinton called Obama a Pollweenie for not intervening in Syria….Wag the Dog.

Both factions (Clinton v Obama) benefit from any diversion from scandalpalooza.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 11:40 AM

He’s going to send our troops over there isn’t he?

Not ours, HIS! To fritter away as he pleases.

/s

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 11:40 AM

“Would we have made [the determination Assad had breached the red line] even if we didn’t have the evidence? Probably.”

Nobel peace Prize, indeed.

Jabberwock on June 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Why are we arming AlQAeda?

dogsoldier on June 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

And while he does just that, the PRC will find opportunity in the making for its agenda.

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM

They are just sitting back watching us destroy ourselves.

VegasRick on June 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

He’s going to send our troops over there isn’t he?

gophergirl on June 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Yes

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Wag the dog

vcferlita on June 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Perfect picture of the Idiot in Chief

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

O/T: Just been confirmed that Sharyl Attkisson’s computer was hacked.

topdawg on June 14, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Those darn Chinese again, no doubt.

slickwillie2001 on June 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Why are we arming AlQAeda?

dogsoldier on June 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Europe

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Why are we arming AlQAeda?

dogsoldier on June 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

So they can win. period.

VegasRick on June 14, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Obama and Hillary will own all the American blood and treasure spilled over this.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 11:43 AM

This azzhole will get us into a hot war with Russia. In just over 25 years we have gone from “Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall” to “can’t I just eat my waffle?”.

And while he does just that, the PRC will find opportunity in the making for its agenda.

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM

stoking the conflict is a good way to flush jihadis in your own backyard?

lots of chechens & euro-muzzies joining the fight.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Someone put me some knowledge. What’s our national interest here again? Do we care what the outcome of this civil war is?

jdpaz on June 14, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Why are we arming AlQAeda?

dogsoldier on June 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Because Obama supports the Muslim Brother and senile old John McCain wants the U.S. involved in war. He really doesn’t care about what; he just loves war.

bw222 on June 14, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Obama and the rest are in a panic…they finally realized that Iran is taking over the Middle East.
Imagine a Syria with a huge Iranian military based on its soil right next door to Israel…

In the game of global politics wouldn’t that be a checkmate in that game with the US and Israel????

albill on June 14, 2013 at 11:44 AM

And while he does just that, the PRC will find opportunity in the making for its agenda.

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM

They are just sitting back watching us destroy ourselves.

VegasRick on June 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

US goes to Syria, PRC goes to South China Sea.

I’d rather have the SCS

Jabberwock on June 14, 2013 at 11:45 AM

WHAT A F*CKING MESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ToddPA on June 14, 2013 at 11:37 AM

I cannot emphasize that any stronger…

Unfrickingbelieveable…

Put me down as Gobsmacked!

Scrumpy on June 14, 2013 at 11:46 AM

OT:

CBS News confirms multiple breaches of Sharyl Attkisson’s computer

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/06/14/cbs-news-confirms-multiple-breaches-of-sharyl-attkissons-computer/

sentinelrules on June 14, 2013 at 11:34 AM

This party also used sophisticated methods to remove all possible indications of unauthorized activity, and alter system times to cause further confusion.
CBS News is taking steps to identify the responsible party and their method of access.

Are they checking all the golf courses like O.J. did? I’ll bet the culprit spends a lot of time golfing.

VegasRick on June 14, 2013 at 11:46 AM

O’s under pressure to move quickly now because Assad and Hezbollah are starting to pulverize the rebels, not because they’re threatening to gas people en masse.

Why aren’t the British, Germans, French, Spanish, Canadians, Jamaicans, Madagascarians et al ‘under pressure’ to do something? Honestly, I wouldn’t care to spend a dime helping the al Qaeda Syrian rebels; wtf?

Midas on June 14, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Obama and Hillary will own all the American blood and treasure spilled over this.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Yes, YES they will!

Scrumpy on June 14, 2013 at 11:47 AM

The fisker-in-chief strikes again.

The next president will inherit a far worse bunch of problems than Obama inherited from Bush.

can_con on June 14, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Someone put me some knowledge. What’s our national interest here again? Do we care what the outcome of this civil war is?

jdpaz on June 14, 2013 at 11:44 AM

We are told we care because russia cares.

oh and there’s the gas fields/pipelines….and there’s the Israeli gas/oil fields.

look at a map…and it’s easy to see how this blows strategically.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 11:47 AM

We probably would have said that Assad had crossed the “red line” even if we didn’t have evidence

Honesty from the Obama administration?

Hell just froze over.

The Rogue Tomato on June 14, 2013 at 11:47 AM

O/T: Just been confirmed that Sharyl Attkisson’s computer was hacked.

topdawg on June 14, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Obama is illegitimate in his 2nd term. This is just the 1% of what is known. He won like Putin and Chavez.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 11:50 AM

How is it that this joker was sold to US voters as someone with above-average intelligence?

slickwillie2001 on June 14, 2013 at 11:51 AM

By the way; should we call this John McCain’s war?

And when did we put him in charge of our national security? I don’t remember electing him.

Marcus Traianus on June 14, 2013 at 11:52 AM

There are no ‘good guys’ to back in Syria… unless you just want to arm the unarmed: the Syrian people.

If you aren’t willing to do that, then what is our interest in Syria? It isn’t a noted oil producer. It has a nice phosphate industry to run its chem/bio/nuclear aspirations but, beyond that, only helps in a few other related industries. It has a nice glass industry… to make the beakers, vessels and other things needed for its chem/bio/nuclear programs. Cigarettes, perhaps?

As far as I can see we are in the position of ‘the enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy, and they DESERVE each other’.

Or ‘lets you and him fight’.

I’d recommend arming the Kurds, but someone else appears to be doing that on the sly…

We don’t need ‘boots on the ground’ or to support a ‘no fly zone’ or even try to interdict arms as there is just way too much border to do that. And Syria has had economic embargoes against it for decades…so that obviously doesn’t do anything.

So what’s the point? We long ago passed any ‘responsibility to protect’ in Syria that has escalated way, way past Libya. Heck there are other Libya style problems in the world about which we do nothing year on year, so that fraudulent excuse is just that: a fraud and an excuse for other things.

The only thing I could ever support there is arming the citizenry at large, without respect to religion, gender, sexual orientation or even age. In theory a nice, well armed society is a polite one… after all the hot heads and tin pot tyrants have been killed off, that is. But that is the affair of the Syrian people to decide, we would only give them a voice in their own future… sucks to be on the Left today when you can’t support that any more, I guess.

ajacksonian on June 14, 2013 at 11:53 AM

… probably would have said…

Because they’re just that trustworthy.

bour3 on June 14, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Obama and the rest are in a panic…they finally realized that Iran is taking over the Middle East.
Imagine a Syria with a huge Iranian military based on its soil right next door to Israel…

In the game of global politics wouldn’t that be a checkmate in that game with the US and Israel????

albill on June 14, 2013 at 11:44 AM

They are in a panic because they suddenly remember that Muslims Unite against the Infidel.

After they obliterate the infidel…then they turn on eachother.

Remember…A recent hot mic episode where an Egyptian Politician discussed the War with America & Israel over the Ethiopian Dam on the Nile.

Morsi had to get on TV and assure Ethiopia they were not at war.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Marcus Traianus on June 14, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Call it the illegal war, Obama/McCain. It will lead to a world war, Iran/Russia/Assad and the other fools. China watches until both are diminished.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 11:54 AM

We must help the AlQaeda rebels in Syria so that once they are victorius then can once agin turn their wrath upon us.

paulsur on June 14, 2013 at 11:57 AM

We could send Ambassador Stevens over to negoti…….wait….um…nevermind.

Now that Hugo is gone, maybe we could send Sean Penn. He needs a new BFF dictator.

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Maybe they like basketball…send Dennis Rodman

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Seriously though, I am all for arming the AlQaeda rebels in Syria just enough to keep the war going idefinitely. A stalemate in Syria is good for the world. It keeps the Iranians and the jihadists at each others throats and properly distracted.

paulsur on June 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM

We are told we care because russia cares.

oh and there’s the gas fields/pipelines….and there’s the Israeli gas/oil fields.

look at a map…and it’s easy to see how this blows strategically.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 11:47 AM

And that’s ‘ok’ with liberals today, whereas was protest-worthy for years last decade, I guess.

Midas on June 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM

We could send Ambassador Stevens over to negoti…….wait….um…nevermind.

Now that Hugo is gone, maybe we could send Sean Penn. He needs a new BFF dictator.

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Maybe they like basketball…send Dennis Rodman

Send’em both! Say, can Jimmah Carter still travel?

They’d make an awesomely persuasive threesome!!

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Morsi had to get on TV and assure Ethiopia they were not at war.

Well, not just yet, anyway.

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 12:02 PM

Could this be a tactic to distract from the scandals?

Hello NSA expert snoopers and analysts – What do you think?

antisocial on June 14, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Who in their right mind will ever fly in that area of the world again, knowing that there are 1000′s of RPGs and MANPADS floating around just waiting to be used?

Do you feel lucky?

can_con on June 14, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Name one nation, I triple dare you, which is free/freer, due to Obama.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Mexico.

Curtiss on June 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM

“Would we have made [the determination Assad had breached the red line] even if we didn’t have the evidence? Probably.”

From the same former Senator who claimed he had “Judgment to Lead”, not like that evil warmonger Bush who invaded a country over WMD and we couldn’t find them later.

Obama Arab Spring Stategery:
1. Stand on Soapbox and Shout: “President X of Country Y is a BAD GUY and Must be Ousted!”
2. Send arms and troops to help his Muslim Brothers fight BAD GUY.
3. Muslim Brothers take over Country Y and oppress its people.
4. Mission Accomplished, and I killed Bin Laden!

It worked in Egypt and Libya, why not Syria?

/obama strategery off

We should have tried this in Iran.

Or maybe we should try it in the United States, but replace the Bad Guy with the Tea Party.

Steve Z on June 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM

We are told we care because russia cares.

oh and there’s the gas fields/pipelines….and there’s the Israeli gas/oil fields.

look at a map…and it’s easy to see how this blows strategically.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 11:47 AM

And the “winner” of this struggle will affect that how? Siding with Al Qaeda is really going to bolster our position over there!

Can’t we just have a military presence there and go to the aid of our actual allies in the region if it spills over the borders.

Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy.

jdpaz on June 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM

That stupid Nobel Peace Prize, it’s like Sauron’s ring driving Bark to madness.

Bishop on June 14, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Time to wag, baby, no matter the reasons needed.

MNHawk on June 14, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Mexico.

Curtiss on June 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Try again. You find a land which beheads people, officials, nearly daily, a corrupt cesspool to be a free land?

Try much harder. NO one has been able to answer my challenge, no one. It’s impossible.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Name one nation, I triple dare you, which is free/freer, due to Obama.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Mexico.

Well, it is freer of millions of its citizens up here, with more likely to come, and richer on the funds transfers for the effort.

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 12:25 PM

“The decision was ultimately driven by the discovery Assad used [chemical weapons] but there were a number of other factors in place that were also important,” conceded an administration official with direct knowledge of the deliberations.

Translation of “other factors”- A certain rat-eared tyrant got around to watching Wag the Dog on NetFlix. Immigration and a good old-fashioned shooting war to replace scandapalooza.

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Who in their right mind will ever fly in that area of the world again, knowing that there are 1000′s of RPGs and MANPADS floating around just waiting to be used?

Do you feel lucky?

can_con on June 14, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Yeah, 1000′s of RPGs and access to YouTube. A deadly combination if a “spontaneous protest” should break out. /

Seriously, the rat-eared tyrant is picking winners and losers among the factions in these various nations without any rhyme or reason. We know we’ve armed the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt with billions in military aid. We are as apt to be arming radical Islamist enemies of the United States in Syria. And in Turkey, instead of looking for a way to foster a more secular government and society we are taking a hands-off approach and letting the Islamists squash protesters.

And where the hell is John Kerry?

Happy Nomad on June 14, 2013 at 12:33 PM

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 12:25 PM

You guys should know what freedom means.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM

This situation will escalate in the next few years. If Hilary decides to run, this article needs to be broadcast far and wide:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/03/hillary-clinton-says-no-syrian-intervention-because-killer-assad-is-a-reformer/

You can add on all the new State Department scandals and she should be forced to explain everything. (Maybe she’ll cry to avoid the embarrassment, which seems to be her weapon of choice.)

djaymick on June 14, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Seventy-some comments and nobody brought up the “Bush lied people died” crap.

Man, the libs are gonna’ have a tough time with this. maybe that’s why they are staying away.

cozmo on June 14, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Send in the drones!!!

albill on June 14, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Before he could announce it, Obama has been busy airbrushing the “Made in Iraq – Long live Saddam” on all the chemical weapons casings they found….

albill on June 14, 2013 at 1:05 PM

In other armament news…

Gov. Perry goes to NY and CT to recruit gun manufacturers to relocate to Texas.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/13/Gov-Perry-Headed-To-Conn-and-New-York-Asking-Gun-Makers-To-Relocate-To-Texas

Strategery!

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Name one nation, I triple dare you, which is free/freer, due to Obama.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Mexico.

Well, it is freer of millions of its citizens up here, with more likely to come, and richer on the funds transfers for the effort.

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Mexico has been dumping their own illegals up north as well…The OTM’s are the dominant illegals over the border and have been for the last 10 – 15 years or so.

The Mexican Drug Cartels are fighting OTM Drug Cartels.

workingclass artist on June 14, 2013 at 1:21 PM

So in the briefing going on about Syria right now, some WH flack is openly calling for regime change. Is that the official US Policy now?

can_con on June 14, 2013 at 1:22 PM

“Would we have made [the determination Assad had breached the red line] even if we didn’t have the evidence? Probably.”

In other words, “Don’t look too closely at the evidence we present as a reason to enter the conflict in Syria. We don’t need a good reason to install a Muslim Brotherhood puppet there. We see you have not yet placed your ‘I loves me some Obamacare’ bumper sticker on your vehicle. You have 24 hours to comply.”

ROCnPhilly on June 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Per Twitter: Will Dear Leader require expanded background checks on the Syrian rebels before issuing them firearms..? LOL

And what about liability insurance for each firearm?

International registry for those receiving ammo?

d1carter on June 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM

d1carter on June 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Add a 7 round/clip limit and now your talking. Oh and only shotguns allowed. Failing that, they can be instructed how to pee and vomit on cue.

Can’t the UN just declare Syria a “gun free zone”?

can_con on June 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Per Twitter: Will Dear Leader require expanded background checks on the Syrian rebels before issuing them firearms..? LOL

And what about liability insurance for each firearm?

International registry for those receiving ammo?

d1carter on June 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Per UN directive: Muslims are exempt from such “common sense” measures.

ROCnPhilly on June 14, 2013 at 1:41 PM

To borrow a meme from the Left:

Obama lied, people died.

And he does it over and over.

PJ Emeritus on June 14, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Syrian ‘rebels’ pledge loyalty to Al Qaeda…

Here we go again…..Obama dragged the U.S. into the middle of the Libyan civil war to help Al Qaeda-backed rebels overthrow Qadaffi, giving Al Qaeda its own nation…and for our trouble we were ‘given’ the 1st U.S. Ambassador murdered in ver 30 years & 2 other Americans killed…by those same rebels.

Not having learned our lesson, we are now going to join forces with Al Qaeda-backed rebels in Syria to overthrow Assad & give Al Qaeda yet ANOTHER nation in the Middle East?! (Of course, immediately afer Al Qaeda takes over we will probably GIVE THEM 24 new fighters & 200 new tanks as well.)

Who wants to be the 1st Ambassador in Syria when THAT happens? Any volunteers?

easyt65 on June 14, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Not having learned our lesson, we are now going to join forces with Al Qaeda-backed rebels in Syria to overthrow Assad & give Al Qaeda yet ANOTHER nation in the Middle East?! (Of course, immediately afer Al Qaeda takes over we will probably GIVE THEM 24 new fighters & 200 new tanks as well.)

I’d say Barry’ learned his lessons well. Barry’s going to have us join forces with the rebels for the express intent of overthrowing a another generally secular dictatorship to be replaced with a muslim run one. And of course there will be fighters and tanks supplied for good measure.

Heck, our downsized military won’t be needing them. Might as well have them put to use.

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 3:20 PM

To borrow a meme from the Left:

Obama lied, people died.

And he does it over and over.

And generally gets away with it.

If Barry were a Republican, impeachment would have been carried out by now.

hawkeye54 on June 14, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Obama official: We probably would have said that Assad had crossed the “red line” even if we didn’t have evidence

This is really a confession not a supposition. Highly doubtful that Assad used gas on so limited a scale.

Because Obama waited so late in the game I can see no good scenario that can come from this adventure.

1 He MAY divert the American public’s attention from at least 5 ongoing scandals. But if this adventure fails he will have a 6th. scandal to deal with.
2 He waited so late that Assad is on the verge of winning–perhaps even with weapons to the rebels. Therefore an Assad victory means that captured American weapons can fortify Assad’s arsenal along with Russian and Iranian weapons.
3 He waited so long that Al Qaida is a large part of the rebel movement. A rebel victory probably means our own weapons turned against us and another nation joins the Caliphate.
4 MAYBE the weapons lead to partial success leading to a bloody stalemate encouraging Obama (and his freakish ally for war, John McCain) to make imploring speeches for American “boots on the ground” totally hamstrung by rules of engagement to not effectively fight back (you see Muslims might get pissed off if Americans kill them in self defense.)Being political tools and targets will lead to even lower troop morale than currently exists.
5 No matter what happens the toll will be billions of additional dollars spent by a bankrupt nation. And all to cover for a shipwreck of a president.

MaiDee on June 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Obama and Hillary will own all the American blood and treasure spilled over this.

Schadenfreude on June 14, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Maybe that’s why he needs another week to think of a plan.

AesopFan on June 14, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Obama official: We probably would have said that Assad had crossed the “red line” even if we didn’t have evidence

Translation — We really don’t have much evidence, if any. But it doesn’t matter because we planned to intervene all along. We just needed an excuse, something to feed the proles, and this made it easier.

Question — How is this different from what they (falsely and inaccurately) accused Bush and Cheney of doing?

Answer — It isn’t. And they essentially admit it. From the time of Nixon everything the lefties have accused Republicans of doing, usually with little or not evidence, are the very things they do whenever the left-wing fascists do when they get power. They have thoroughly studied and memorized Adolph’s and Goebbels’ playbooks.

farsighted on June 14, 2013 at 7:48 PM

are the very things they do whenever the left-wing fascists do when they get power.

farsighted on June 14, 2013 at 7:50 PM

We’re intervening because O’s decided

that he needs a big, honkin’ distraction from his domestic scandals.

I fully expect the MSM to obligingly wave their collective hands while shouting “Hey, look, over there… it’s Elvis!” and drop all of this nonsense about Benghazi, domestic spying, IRS intimidation, etc.

Paul_in_NJ on June 15, 2013 at 11:20 AM