Gallup: Despite amnesty push, Rubio’s favorable rating among Republicans sky high at 58/11

posted at 7:21 pm on June 14, 2013 by Allahpundit

Consider this a complement to the Santorum post. Conservative ideologues like me are very, very down on Rubio right now. How about the rest of the Republican universe?

gal

If you want to know why Rubio hasn’t walked away from the Gang of Eight bill yet, that’s why. He has no political incentive to do so. If he hangs in there and the bill passes, he’ll get all sorts of media love as the “new leader of the GOP,” a man who “makes things happen in Washington,” blah blah. You and I will pound the table and swear that we’ll never, ever vote for him in 2016, and that might be true — for awhile. But strange things happen. What if Christie emerges as a real threat to take the nomination with moderate support? Suddenly Rubio becomes the lesser of two evils, a guy who’s much more conservative than Christie on balance, who has a pretty good record if you exclude the whole “terrible immigration bill” thing, who’s darned electable against Hillary and isn’t that what’s really important? We’ll talk ourselves into it and Rubio knows it. And then, once he’s the nominee, any righty who threatens to stay home in protest of his embarrassing betrayal of border security (and betrayal of the voters who elected him in 2010 as an anti-amnesty candidate) will be considered an utmost traitor to the conservative cause. Again, Rubio knows all this. He’s counting on it. If he throws conservatives a bone by quitting on the bill now, the Democrats and media will run him down endlessly in the media, hurting him with low-information voters. And meanwhile righties will still be grumpy at him for having taken the bill as far as he did. Ever hear the expression “the only way out is through”? That’s Rubio on immigration reform at this point. Pass the bill and then let political gravity solve your problems for you.

As for the rest of the field, few surprises. Paul Ryan has the highest rating because he has the highest name recognition as a former VP nominee. Christie, for all the obvious reasons, has the lowest although even his numbers are pretty healthy. Follow the link to Gallup up top and scroll down their post and you’ll see that not only is Christie the only one of the five to also have a positive favorable rating with Democrats, his Democratic numbers are actually higher than his Republican ones — 54/17 versus 53/25. That’ll change as we get closer to 2016 but it’s a golden foundation for his inevitable “electability” campaign.

One thing that does surprise me about the Democratic numbers is how poorly Rand Paul does. You would think a GOP contrarian with liberal-ish views on civil liberties, drug laws, and (to a lesser extent) gay marriage would fare better with people left of center. Nope: At 16/45 he’s more than 10 points worse off than Ted Cruz, the bete noire of lefty media. How come? Mainly, I assume, it’s because low-information Democrats know little about the ins and outs of Rand’s philosophy but know him quite well as a chronic critic of Obama, especially after his drone filibuster. To the extent that they do know his philosophy, five years ago he’d be a hero to them as a naysayer of Bush’s security state but as a naysayer of Obama’s security state — which they now support for lame partisan reasons — he’s a recurring thorn in their side. All of this is a complication for Rand’s 2016 strategy, as he’s planning to run as a guy who can unite moderates with conservatives/libertarians and potentially put blue states in play. If Gallup’s numbers are right, that’s dubious. And the left really hasn’t even taken out its brass knuckles against Paul yet. Wait until they start revisiting his 2010 comments about the Civil Rights Act. Or this footnote during his filibuster, which I’ve warned you before will be a bigger deal if he wins the nomination than most people think.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2 3

If we are going to have to go with a squish on immigration, then I want Rick Perry. To conservatives, Perry could argue he took the stance he did on tuition for illegals because of lax federal enforcement of immigration laws, and as president he would enforce the immigration laws we already have. To Hispanics, he can talk about Texas’ economic record; I am sure there is plenty of data showing Hispanics are better off in Texas than anywhere else in the country. Ryan and Rubio just put themselves to the left of Perry on immigration by supporting this bill.

bitsy on June 15, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Perry would have sought a separation of the issue into at least 2 bills.

A border security bill.

An Immigration Reform Bill.

And he would have done both with common sense and as little disruption as possible to the economy.

He also said he thought a Monroe Doctrine applied to our hemisphere should be in the policy discussion and formation.

He also proposed a serious reform of foreign aid policy…and whatever trade policies or foreign aid we give to our southern neighbors might have been reconsidered until Mexico stopped their demographic dumping.

No politician is perfect…But Perry often comes up with interesting policy ideas and when he screws up (as politicians do) he’s been responsive to constituents.

Currently he’s going on a tour to lure gun manufacturers in east coast states to relocate to Texas…Think that’s just about jobs?

Liberals love to paint Perry as stupid or crazy…but he’s crazy like a fox.

Another thing is Carl Rove hates him cause Perry doesn’t kiss his rhino a$$…so does John Bhopal Coale (Perry’s Tort reform drove his ilk out of the state) John Bhopal Coale is the husband of Greta and he negotiated Palin’s Fox contract and paid for Palin’s ill-fated bus tour. After Perry jumped in the primary Palin & her supporters trashed him and Texas.

I like Palin…but she chooses sides that are sometimes contradictory. She compromises on occasion…They all do.

Currently she’s aligned with Rubio…who is in the pocket of Jeb Bush.

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 9:20 AM

It is my opinion that the attitude expressed in that stereotype is why Obama is president for a second term. Just my opinion….but maybe I’m just a establishment squish.

Mimzey on June 14, 2013 at 10:43 PM

So you’re saying Romney wasn’t one?

This should be good.

Dunedainn on June 15, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Maybe those statistics are misleading. Maybe after the last two elections, most of those who still call themselves “Republicans” are the progressives.

Republicans? You still don’t get it do you. The RP has shrunk. Most of the conservatives and libertarians are gone. You’re leading a pack of progressive moderates now. You, not we, are one your own.

elfman on June 15, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Ryan and Rubio just put themselves to the left of Perry on immigration by supporting this bill.

bitsy on June 15, 2013 at 8:46 AM

Well, actually, Rubio WROTE the bill, which puts him to the left of obama on AMNESTY.

Pork-Chop on June 15, 2013 at 9:46 AM

This is a fringe site now. Right on facts 90% of the time, but socially ineffective and out of favor with the general masses.

One day soon I believe this site will be on the the terrorist watch list.

tomas on June 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM

The genius Rubio forgets, or doesn’t realize, that disgruntled Conservatives do stay home instead of voting for a moderate loser, to wit: Mitt Romney 2012. Even with Barrack Obama as the Democrat, millions of Conservatives stayed home rather than vote for Mitt Romney.
MPan on June 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Maybe “disgruntled Conservatives” have an overinflated sense of worth and the Party internal polling shows attracting new Hispanic voters is more valuable and beneficial than worrying about a bunch of grumpy gusses?

Marcus on June 15, 2013 at 9:58 AM

America has always had reactions to large demographic shifts when immigration policy is out of control.

This dates back to at least when we were colonies and Pennsylvanians were upset at the demographics of new settlers immigrating from the mess of what was known then as the Palatines.

The arguments then were pretty much the same…minus the PC.
(Some objected because German women were sturdy…and deemed ugly by comparison)

The Germans were too numerous and causing economic strife.
The Germans didn’t speak english and were culturally too foreign (meaning not english enough)…and they didn’t seem to anxious to assimilate….etc.

Ben Franklin covered it all in his newspaper and it wasn’t confined to Pennsylvania or to Germans from the palatine, but to any colony that was experiencing cultural and economic pressure from sudden demographic shifts.

We are a nation of immigrants.

So debating the issue is an old American Story.

Currently Texas is experiencing huge demographic shifts of liberal economic refugees from the liberal palatine which is imploding. Detroit, like other progressively managed cities is in default.

We as a nation need to have a frank and serious discussion about national sovereignty…national immigration history…national border security and the rule of law both federal and states rights within state constitutions.

We as a nation need to decide how valuable citizenship is.

Illegals need to stop demanding rights that they have never valued because to value those rights means to respect our laws of entry.

Mexico or any Latin nation’s history of instability or abuse of it’s citizenry is not America’s problem and to migrate to America illegally and then accuse Americans of racism and demand our support through political bullying is not a way to win over friends and the politician’s that bribe illegals for short term political benefit are the same politicians that leave you high and dry after they find a new favorite.

And that too is an old American Story.

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Maybe “disgruntled Conservatives” have an overinflated sense of worth and the Party internal polling shows attracting new Hispanic voters is more valuable and beneficial than worrying about a bunch of grumpy gusses?

Marcus on June 15, 2013 at 9:58 AM

The “Hispanic voters” who cast ballots at a 3-to-1 margin for socialist Dems and have no intention of giving up “fwee nummies,” those voters?

Brother, you are a sad case.

ebrown2 on June 15, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Maybe “disgruntled Conservatives” have an overinflated sense of worth and the Party internal polling shows attracting new Hispanic voters is more valuable and beneficial than worrying about a bunch of grumpy gusses?

Marcus on June 15, 2013 at 9:58 AM

But the GOP sure likes conservative money at election time doesn’t it?

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:07 AM

It’s all a lie. I’d have more respect for Rubio if he just told the truth: I support open borders and agree with Eric Holder that U.S. citizenship is the “civil right” of every person on the planet, including all the criminals. I don’t believe in national borders, or nation-states, and I hope to see One World Government in my lifetime, and am actively trying to carve out a place for myself among the ruling elites.

I’d still think he was scum, but at least then he’d be scum with some integrity, which is a lot more than he is now.

AZCoyote on June 15, 2013 at 9:17 AM

Yep, it turns out that -Christ- was the more honest of the two in 2010. At least the Orange-man campaigned on amnesty and openly left the Republican party.

ebrown2 on June 15, 2013 at 10:11 AM

The “Hispanic voters” who cast ballots at a 3-to-1 margin for socialist Dems and have no intention of giving up “fwee nummies,” those voters?

Brother, you are a sad case.

ebrown2 on June 15, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Many of them…especially OTM’s are ignorant. All they know is conflict between aristocratic ruling factions and dictators who win votes through intimidation, class conflict and bribes.

The internal culture conflicts between Guatemalans,Equadorans,Mexicans & Cubans etc. plays out here. They unite in hispanic solidarity against The Man aka Anglos long enough to elect another protector…then resume their conflicts.

So the Democrats are familiar to them and Democrats are experts at Identity Politics.

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:14 AM

If [Romney] hangs in there and [defies conservative], he’ll get all sorts of media love as the “new leader of the GOP,” a man who “makes things happen in Washington,” blah blah. You and I will pound the table and swear that we’ll never, ever vote for him in [2012], and that might be true — for awhile.

If [McCain] hangs in there and [defies conservative], he’ll get all sorts of media love as the “new leader of the GOP,” a man who “makes things happen in Washington,” blah blah. You and I will pound the table and swear that we’ll never, ever vote for him in [2008], and that might be true — for awhile.

How did that work out? Especially in 2012?

Again, “ideologues” are the people who blast a guy, but they’re also the people who come around and vote.

Someone forgot to tell 4 million whites that they were supposed to turn out to vote for Romney even though they hated him. Somehow, I doubt the bulk of them hail from middle management.

HitNRun on June 15, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Maybe … internal polling shows attracting new Hispanic voters is more valuable and beneficial than worrying about a bunch of grumpy gusses?

Marcus on June 15, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Sure “internal polling” might show that attracting “NEW” Hispanic voters would be of value, but, any “NEW” Hispanic voters created by Rubio’s INSTANT AMNESTY plan will be democrat voters.

If the desire of the GOP is to attract Hispanic voters, then they should jump in now, and push Ted Cruz, because he is much more in tune with the majority of Hispanics (those who are native born and who have immigrated here LEGALLY) than Rubio, AND, his ethnicity is not his only selling point. Cruz has broad appeal for all the RIGHT reasons and, unlike Rubio, thus far Cruz has proven to be honest and a man of character.

Pork-Chop on June 15, 2013 at 10:19 AM

Maybe “disgruntled Conservatives” have an overinflated sense of worth and the Party internal polling shows attracting new Hispanic voters is more valuable and beneficial than worrying about a bunch of grumpy gusses?

Marcus on June 15, 2013 at 9:58 AM

That must be some fancy internal polling, given that Hispanic turnout decreased to 8%, from a segment that makes up 13% of the population.

Meanwhile, whites are expected to dip below the 70% mark soon.

HitNRun on June 15, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Wow Rush, don’t hold back, let him have it! [s/]

Seriously? That’s the best Rush can do after Rubio’s capitulation?

Pitiful!

jnelchef on June 15, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Rush said this about Dorco on Thursday: “When I think I’m being played or somebody is insulting my intelligence or taking advantage of my goodwill, it saddens me…I should’ve known, but I held out hope that what we were being told was actually the truth.”

He going through the stages of grief – he’ll be ok in the end, but it’s gonna take him some time to get there!

Anti-Control on June 15, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Yeah…

Last few weeks has been cognitive dissonance overload on Talk Radio.

Limbaugh and Levin have suddenly realized that to Rubio…they’re just a couple of Anglos.

Hannity has yet to realize it.

Of course if either of the three had lived in Texas…they would have smelled it sooner.

This is an old story in Anglo v Hispania relations…

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM

If the desire of the GOP is to attract Hispanic voters, then they should jump in now, and push Ted Cruz, because he is much more in tune with the majority of Hispanics (those who are native born and who have immigrated here LEGALLY) than Rubio, AND, his ethnicity is not his only selling point. Cruz has broad appeal for all the RIGHT reasons and, unlike Rubio, thus far Cruz has proven to be honest and a man of character.

Pork-Chop on June 15, 2013 at 10:19 AM

Yep.

Ted Cruz is a conservative Tejano…which means the emphasis is on being a conservative Texan or American as opposed to his ethnicity.

He’s been an excellent senator for Texas.

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Pork-Chop on June 15, 2013 at 10:19 AM
workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:31 AM

I like everything I have heard from him.

Thew problem is the GOP Leadership are ashamed of their base.

Us.

kingsjester on June 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM

I really can’t stand Republicans.

OliverB on June 15, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Pork-Chop on June 15, 2013 at 10:19 AM
workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:31 AM

I like everything I have heard from him.

Thew problem is the GOP Leadership are ashamed of their base.

Us.

kingsjester on June 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM

I’m not sure the GOP leadership is capable of feeling shame.

I think it’s more along the lines of expediency and the contempt that often results when mutual interests collide.

The GOP leadership has contempt for their conservative base because their conservative base keeps asking pesky questions they’d rather not answer…This is inevitable when careerism corrupts principle.

The conservative base chafe at being treated like peasants and paying for the luxury of serfdom.

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:53 AM

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:53 AM

You’re right. They do not like the fact that the Conservative Base actually holds them accountable for their actions.

kingsjester on June 15, 2013 at 10:58 AM

As I’ve said before I don’t believe or trust results from any poll, even the ones on election day. Our country is lost and political solutions won’t get it back.

bgibbs1000 on June 15, 2013 at 11:02 AM

My opinion: right now Marco Rubio is in the news and is the most well-known name. I polled a few of my Dem colleagues, asking them which names on the list were they most familiar with. I got very similar results to the Gallup poll… with Marco best known. In modern politics, name recognition is everything.

Kalifornia Kafir on June 15, 2013 at 11:14 AM

its not supposed to pass. its supposed to die in the house. rubio gets the best of both worlds: love from the media for “trying”, and less hate from us becuase it never actually happened. thats the dance. hes telegraphed it on limbuaghs show. and limbaugh himself has imtimated this. and it feels about right.

t8stlikchkn on June 15, 2013 at 11:20 AM

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:53 AM

You’re right. They do not like the fact that the Conservative Base actually holds them accountable for their actions.

kingsjester on June 15, 2013 at 10:58 AM

If it helps…Democrats have at least as much contempt for their base as well and for similar reasons.

Democrats routinely lie and when the bribes run out their base is butthurt over being dropped as the favorite of the month in identity politics.

Currently Latinos are the new Gay Black

It boils down to establishing an entrenched dynastic aristocratic ruling class and consolidating centralization of power that benefits the interests of careerist apparatchik and that ruling class.

This is a liberal v conservative conflict.

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 11:23 AM

I can only speak for myself. I can’t stand a weasel and I don’t like him and I never have. I won’t play that sucker’s game again.

SarahW on June 15, 2013 at 11:24 AM

its not supposed to pass. its supposed to die in the house. rubio gets the best of both worlds: love from the media for “trying”, and less hate from us becuase it never actually happened. thats the dance. hes telegraphed it on limbuaghs show. and limbaugh himself has imtimated this. and it feels about right.

t8stlikchkn on June 15, 2013 at 11:20 AM

LOL dream on. Like Marxist care would never pass and hundreds of other freedom ending bills were never going to pass.

bgibbs1000 on June 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM

its not supposed to pass. its supposed to die in the house. rubio gets the best of both worlds: love from the media for “trying”, and less hate from us becuase it never actually happened. thats the dance. hes telegraphed it on limbuaghs show. and limbaugh himself has imtimated this. and it feels about right.

t8stlikchkn on June 15, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Well this Anglo from Texas sees this identity politics BS and Senor Rubio is dead to me.

He’s just another liberal jackass.

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM

rEpublicans, Maybe.

LegendHasIt on June 15, 2013 at 11:28 AM

But the GOP sure likes conservative money at election time doesn’t it?

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:07 AM

And the GOTV efforts.
Not gonna happen next go around.

txmomof6 on June 15, 2013 at 11:36 AM

We’ll talk ourselves into it and Rubio knows it

No, it’s over

And then, once he’s the nominee, any righty who threatens to stay home in protest of his embarrassing betrayal of border security (and betrayal of the voters who elected him in 2010 as an anti-amnesty candidate) will be considered an utmost traitor to the conservative cause.

Yes the RINOs will get on the blogs and blame the people who stayed home. No, it won’t bother me.

If a RINO was President instead of Obama, amnesty would already be here because there would be no, zero fear in Congress, since the public chose a RINO

The least I can do is withhold my vote from a RINO Presidential candidate. It counts for a lot in the signal it sends to the so called conservatives in Congress.

As a matter of fact, unless I withhold my vote, I will be totally discounted after the election is over – by both sides

One thing that does surprise me about the Democratic numbers is how poorly Rand Paul does.

How come? Mainly, I assume, it’s because low-information Democrats know little about the ins and outs of Rand’s philosophy but know him quite well as a chronic critic of Obama, especially after his drone filibuster

I don’t think it is that deep. Right now the only education the general public gets about all these candidates, including Rubio, is the noise on tv and radio which is top loaded to promote DEM friendly politicians, by the MSM and the one sided ads (paid for by Zuckerman, Gates et al) running non stop proclaiming Rubio and RYan as the voice of the conservatives.

THe money is going one direction only. Heritage put out 100K for anti amnesty when various pro amnesty donors are springing millions for ads.

So right now the polls are being loaded, intentionally, by the marketers with the deep pockets. A single debate can change these numbers in the primary

Folk, the polls are being jacked, right now, to make it look like there is a gut surge towards loving amnesty, and towards the RINOs approved by the Left. It is smoke and mirrors

Cruz can keep his hat in the ring. Rand too

entagor on June 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Rubio talks out of both sides of his mouth and will say anything to apease the audience of the moment and keep his face on TV. A young McCain or Graham. More reason for me at least to consider leaving the GOP.

lhuffman34 on June 15, 2013 at 12:03 PM

A caller to Mark Levin had the most intelligent answer on amnesty:

The caller asked if these Republicans who vote for amnesty are also going to vote to give them food stamps, medicaid, tuition and all the nanny state benefits the liberals promise

The caller said: if the Republicans are not also willing to vote these benefits, the newly legalized are going to go Democrat

The DEMs will make the pledge, and follow through. The GOP has to match the bid, and raise it, because the DEMs have full identity politics built into their platform

Who will the the new group trust to deliver?

Anyone notice if there is anything in the amnesty bill about the newly legalized being allowed to make political donations?

If 20 million each kick in 10 bucks, that is 200 million bucks

If 1 million of them kicks in 50 bucks that is 50 million

if 100K of them pledge 50 a month that is 60 million

This would not just be gratitude, this would be guaranteeing their future. They will be so stoked by not being able to vote, they will fork up big time

New meaning to payback time

entagor on June 15, 2013 at 12:06 PM

its not supposed to pass. its supposed to die in the house. rubio gets the best of both worlds: love from the media for “trying”, and less hate from us becuase it never actually happened.

t8stlikchkn on June 15, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Less hate is still hate. Rubio has proven he is willing to lie over and over and over to every American citizen. Every time I hear those ridiculous commercials about “conservative” immigration reform it’s just another reminder of how low these Republicans are willing to sink.
If this dies in the House, Rubio and the rest still deserve the wrath of the voters, and heaven forbid he becomes the nominee next go around. The base and the GOP are at a break point and the only way it seems that a message can be sent is if we finally stop voting for the lesser of the evils. If it’s Rubio/ Hillary in 2016 we’ll be scraping the bottom of the barrel in either case.

lynncgb on June 15, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Yep.

Ted Cruz is a conservative Tejano…which means the emphasis is on being a conservative Texan or American as opposed to his ethnicity.

He’s been an excellent senator for Texas.

workingclass artist on June 15, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Cruz’s mother has Irish roots, which makes him appeal to a broad base and why you don’t see him hispandering. Dewhurst wanted to debate him in Spanish on a Spanish network and Cruz smacked him down and said no, we live in a country that speaks English. The only problem I have with Cruz is that he wants to increase H1B visas by 500%. We’ve got a mass legal immigration problem too, but first things first. This bill has to be stopped in the Senate, since Boehner is willing to break the Hastert rule.

TxAnn56 on June 15, 2013 at 12:10 PM

This is why the republican party is in decline, they have no principles; a minority of the squishy middle.

Panther on June 15, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Excellent analysis, AP. Very astute!

tommy71 on June 15, 2013 at 12:14 PM

58% approval rating for Rubio in his own party is sky high? What is Obama’s approval rating among democrats?

Wigglesworth on June 15, 2013 at 12:16 PM

This bill has to be stopped in the Senate, since Boehne

r is willing to break the Hastert rule.

TxAnn56 on June 15, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Who is channeling to Boehner? Singer, a progressive billionaire pro amnesty supporter who also funds gay marriage efforts

Boehner has been working four years towards amnesty. In ‘secret’ meetings.

The meetings are so secret everyone but the public knew about them, and the meetings have no name

The effort has come to a head and could be on the verge of failure after more than four years of secretive, on-and-off talks aimed at producing a comprehensive overhaul of the immigration system.

while this 5/16/13 article suggests there is a possibility of failure, there is no lack of trust in Rubio’s position on amnesty:

Democrats on the Gang of Eight have been careful not to criticize Rubio publicly.

“Sen. Rubio has played an invaluable role in crafting the legislation and defending it to the most conservative of audiences. There’s no worry among the members of the group that Sen. Rubio’s support is at all half-hearted,” said an aide to a member of the gang.

The word is out – lay off Rubio. This means the MSM too. This helps stoke the numbers to get the bogus polls they are using for the marketing campaign

entagor on June 15, 2013 at 12:59 PM

We have our share of low information voters too. Unless you are paying close attention only read the headlines and watch the clips, all these guys seem like strong conservatives. When you dig a little deeper you see their actions do not match their rhetoric. Like McCain in 2008 proclaiming he was a Reagan Republican, when he isn’t anything like him.

If only Rush, Hannity, Beck, and to a lesser degree Levin would just stop pulling their punches on Rubio and Ryan already. We already have the MSM propping these guys up on turncoat issues.

Chubbs65 on June 15, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Those that argue that we are a nation of immigrants are very correct.

BUT… here is where you lose me… back in the day, you LEARNED to make do . Either you learned how to assimilate INTO the culture or you did not survive. There was no hand outs. NO ONE KISSED YOUR FEET AND HAD TO HAVE A TRANSLATOR or stuff in 90 different languages.

Food stamps were not around.. people did not run over each other to take tax payer money to help support you.

watertown on June 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM


its not supposed to pass. its supposed to die in the house. rubio gets the best of both worlds: love from the media for “trying”, and less hate from us becuase it never actually happened.

t8stlikchkn on June 15, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Well, he’s just not very smart, then.

See, I already hate him. I don’t care whether it passes the Senate, the House, or Romper Room at this point.

See, I have what’s called a ‘memory’ – I won’t ‘forget’ all of this if the bill fails in the House. Or the Senate. I will ‘remember’ *all* of this no matter what happens.

What kind of shallow piece of shit is pissed off about this, but if it fails, suddenly loves Rubio again? Is this ‘Short Attention Span Theater’ or something?

Midas on June 15, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Conservative ideologues like me are very, very down on Rubio right now. [...] We’ll talk ourselves into it and Rubio knows it.

A genuine “conservative ideologue” would be considerably more in tune with the hardening sentiments and resolve of the conservative voting base, and appreciably less desperate to somehow justify their panting eagerness to sell out conservative principles, three years ahead of time.

Just sayin’, is all.

Kent18 on June 15, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Being played like a fiddle…

… Everything is a lie.

Everything…!

Seven Percent Solution on June 15, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I don’t give a crap about the poll numbers, and particularly those poll numbers …which only server to show that there are as many LIV Republican as Democrats …and it seems those are the idiots pollsters seek out.

I do give a crap about immigration. Politics. Dishonesty. America. The Constitution. Freedom. Liberty. Justice.

They are both prevaticatin’ S.O.B. scum scalligwags whose ability to discern and promote conservative values and the best long term interest of the nation is vastly eclipsed by their belief in the manifest destiny of the length of their nakedly self-serving term in office.

Rubio is dead to me.

Ryan is similarly so.

It’s time for another “It’s morning again in America”, and those two tools are sleeping in …they don’t even have an alarm clock.

Eff’ ‘em both.

I do not give a CRAP how tight the next election is, nor who the Dem’s run: if the GOP runs one of those a$$wipe$, I’m done. I’m not pulling that lever again.

I explicitly reject the very concept of the “go with the guy most able to win” primary choice: that worked out really well last November, eh? Buy a frickin’ clue.

Third party, or nothin’. I won’t come back. Ever. That becomes my Whig Moment. I may have to live through the destruction of America, but I will no longer participate in the immolation of the light on the hill.

Eff’ you too, if you’re too stupid to realize that the Beltway Aristocracy is playing you: you’ve become a benighted, useless fool.

Turn on, tune in, drop out.” – T. Leary (1967) …I am so pissed I’m facing a cardiac moment.

davisbr on June 15, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Thew problem is the GOP Leadership are ashamed of their base.

kingsjester on June 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM

The feeling is mutual.

Kent18 on June 15, 2013 at 2:22 PM

If it’s Clinton versus Rubio, I’ll vote third party.

bw222 on June 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM

bw222- don’t worry it’s Jeb’s turn now.

OliverB on June 15, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Survey Methods

Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted June 1-4, 2013, with a random sample of 1,529 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia.

For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

For results based on the total sample of 703 Republicans and Republican leaning independents, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±5 percentage points.

For results based on the total sample of 663 Democrats and Democratic leaning independents, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±5 percentage points.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/163082/paul-ryan-favorite-republicans.aspx

From the linked poll, we’re only talking about 703 “adults”, without even the percentage of ‘leaners’ cited. It’s a pretty darned small sampling for Rubio to bet his career on if you ask me.

I’m sooooo over Republicans who say one thing on the stump and then go to Washington and do something else. A less than gracious way to refer to that sort of behavior is… LYING. I’m done being lied to.

Murf76 on June 15, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Consider this a complement to the Santorum post. Conservative ideologues like me are very, very down on Rubio right now. How about the rest of the Republican universe?

********

If you want to know why Rubio hasn’t walked away from the Gang of Eight bill yet, that’s why. He has no political incentive to do so.

It might also be that most Republicans are more willing to support immigration reform under the right circumstances than a lot of self styled leaders realize.

And it could also be that the blogs and the talk radio people who tend to be more ideological live in an echo chamber and are unaware of how most honest to God voters feel about a lot of things.

Both sides of the divide have their echo chambers who claim to represent the respective bases of their party…maybe they are wrong.

Terrye on June 15, 2013 at 2:51 PM

By the way people…

… Rubio’s bill is filled with this stuff:

For example, the Schumer-Rubio bill as this bit of language:

Section 240(b) (8 U.S.C. 1229a(b)) is

4 amended—

(1) in paragraph (4)—
(A) by redesignating subparagraphs (B)

and (C) as subparagraphs (C) and (D), respec- tively;

(B) in subparagraph (A), by striking ‘‘, at no expense to the Government,’’;

It’s Obowmacare all over again to ‘fundamentally change the United States of America’…

… Between this and the IRS, the NSA, Obowma arming al-Qaida in Syria, Fast and Furious, $4.00/gal for gas, the Economy, I just have one question.

Why are we not rioting in the streets…?

Seven Percent Solution on June 15, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Terrye on June 15, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Well then its time for a 3rd party. The GOP right now reps an area that well… is not conservative. I find it hard to think that many people are on board with this… even less so when they realized EXACTLY what this will do. Its like the liberals with the Health care act… all for it until its time to start playin… now guess what… they dont like it much either because now they realize they too go sold .

This musical has been played. Told the same crap about McCain and Mittens now this…because there is “support”

Yeah sell America out. This country will be NO better than the countries down south of us.

watertown on June 15, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Seven Percent Solution on June 15, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Speaking of gas prices… is it not amazing how now that your never hear hourly updates on gas prices? It was great hearing that under GWB… along with the daily death counts in wars over seas.

watertown on June 15, 2013 at 3:30 PM

IDIOT!!!

williamg on June 15, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Well then its time for a 3rd party. The GOP right now reps an area that well… is not conservative.

watertown on June 15, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Modern-day Republicans are, essentially, nothing more than doctrinaire liberals who nonetheless enjoy a nice tax cut every now and again.

Kent18 on June 15, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Limbaugh/Levin/Hannity are strangely supportive of Rubio. No negative commentary on him.

They want this to pass for some reason.

Personal friendships > America

The GOP will betray you

True_King on June 15, 2013 at 3:51 PM

I could care less what a poll has to say. You folks looked at polls in 2011. Bottom line is the Republican Establishment thinks they know better so look around and see what they think is acceptable? As a once moderate conservative and large GOP donor the GOP no longer represents me or my ideals and if that’s the case with me, then tis the case with a majority of others regardless of any poll. The Establishment is bound and determined to gestate a 3rd party here and I’ll be the first to sign up. Go home Jeb and take Rove, McCain, Graham, Boehner, Flake and looks like Rubio with ya. Either you people come out swinging on our behalf and this will be a slow motion wreck of the party. Your choice Establishment, represent us assertively or continue with your hands and feet in the ground allowing the Democrats to use you as their bicycle racks. Moderate Republican’s need not apply and if it looks this way I will finance a 3rd party, no Reince? Just try me Puddles.

Tangerinesong on June 15, 2013 at 4:20 PM

The Pub Party is dead if conservatives will quit being as dumb as the blacks on the Dem. plantation. Yes, conservatives are treated like shit in the Pub. party, yet we still kiss the establishment master’s asses and vote for the slave masters. We are so stupid. And they know it. Pubs. MUST vote for a third party candidate, the Dem. opponent and get the destruction of the country over with, or stay home. Pubs. have never been more than Dem. light. We still have BIG gubmmint, staggering debt, high taxes, strangling regulations, and less freedom than ever. And Pubs. have contributed to it. Bush was a conservative killer. Pubs. in office only care about getting reelected. They don’t care if they are in a minority or not as long as their sorry asses can stay in DC. Dems. care about their ideology of Socialism and Communism. Pubs. care about getting elected and nothing more. They are happy to be in the minority because they actually support big gubmint. Anyone voting for a pub. is a tool. Why else would they give the Dems. a massive voting block? Pubs. know they will win a certain number of seats. They don’t really care about the Potus position. They care about keeping a small number of the old line career pols. in office. That’s the bottom line.

they lie on June 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Limbaugh/Levin/Hannity are strangely supportive of Rubio. No negative commentary on him.

They want this to pass for some reason.

Personal friendships > America

The GOP will betray you

True_King on June 15, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Rush and Hannity are shills for the RNC. They are not Conservatives. When the hell have they ever not supported a Pub. when push comes to shove. Rush is such a hypocrite. He rants about Jeb Bush and Robio but has always kissed the Bush’s asses even though they have done more to kill conservatism than anyone. Rush has no credibility. Hannity even less because he is not as half as smart.

they lie on June 15, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Rush and Hannity are shills for the RNC. They are not Conservatives. When the hell have they ever not supported a Pub. when push comes to shove. Rush is such a hypocrite. He rants about Jeb Bush and Robio but has always kissed the Bush’s asses even though they have done more to kill conservatism than anyone. Rush has no credibility. Hannity even less because he is not as half as smart.

they lie on June 15, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Like when they were presidents, and the only game in town?

The bush’s had virtually all our support then because what was our alternative?

Single digit hairballs like Ron Paul?… Ross (nutcase) Perot?

You’re very conveniently forgetting the context.

After the Mitt defeat, most of the conservative base is done compromising anymore, we were sold out too often. But third party is a certain looser, only splitting our vote and not the democrats. It’ll simply get another democrat elected, like Bill in 92 on a plurality.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM

On balance, one has to agree. He’s off the rez for this one, but most issues he’s fine.

It also makes one wonder how tuned in the average Republican is – if they are as bad as the average voter.

321mdl on June 15, 2013 at 5:11 PM

The Pub Party is dead if conservatives will quit being as dumb as the blacks on the Dem. plantation. Yes, conservatives are treated like shit in the Pub. party, yet we still kiss the establishment master’s asses and vote for the slave masters. We are so stupid. And they know it. Pubs. MUST vote for a third party candidate, the Dem. opponent and get the destruction of the country over with, or stay home. Pubs. have never been more than Dem. light. We still have BIG gubmmint, staggering debt, high taxes, strangling regulations, and less freedom than ever. And Pubs. have contributed to it. Bush was a conservative killer. Pubs. in office only care about getting reelected. They don’t care if they are in a minority or not as long as their sorry asses can stay in DC. Dems. care about their ideology of Socialism and Communism. Pubs. care about getting elected and nothing more. They are happy to be in the minority because they actually support big gubmint. Anyone voting for a pub. is a tool. Why else would they give the Dems. a massive voting block? Pubs. know they will win a certain number of seats. They don’t really care about the Potus position. They care about keeping a small number of the old line career pols. in office. That’s the bottom line.

they lie on June 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM

You fail to explain how a minority of the party, can break away and ever win the POTUS. The RINO’s are enough to win primaries for Mitt and McCain, so how exactly can we win a national office when the entire MSM turns hissing and spitting at us, with the RINO’s running slightly left of center?

Your plan may stroke some ego’s, but accomplishes nothing if we can’t change the GOP or draw large numbers of democrats.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 5:13 PM

It also makes one wonder how tuned in the average Republican is – if they are as bad as the average voter.

321mdl on June 15, 2013 at 5:11 PM

This far out?

I’m afraid we’re pretty much it, the political junkies at the blogs and talk radio, most simply aren’t paying attention right now.

and interesting anecdote,.. I know some die hard republican hating democrats, fired up and mad as Hell about the dems pushing amnesty. Lower working poor, the dems haven’t represented their views in decades either. If someone can figure out how to tap into blue collar white democrats sick of being sold out by the dems too… they might have the makings of a serious third party.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 5:18 PM

A while back I had made the case that after listening to Rubio outline the exact articles and order of execution in this bill (twice actually, once on the radio and once on a TV interview) that it was not a bad plan if anything was going to be done at all with immigration. He spoke in very exact detail. I read the bill myself. I was honestly convinced you guys were smoking crack. Further, I was fairly well astounded that so many here made the argument not to get sucked into supporting a bill many of you didn’t even like on it’s own merit and wording, but additionally because you said he wouldn’t adhere to the bill or anything he was saying anyway. Many of you said the he would allow the gang of eight to put amnesty before security. I’m thinking, come on, this is Rubio we’re talking about. I further made comments that he was continuing to refute those claims and saying in no uncertain terms that border security was first.

It’s clear I was wrong. If he has already backed down from the key element of the bill that would make it acceptable to a Conservative like me, securing the border first, it’s also clear nothing he’s claiming should be given any credence. Federal aid, voting rights and the whole ball of wax. How can you believe any of it now?

I couldn’t have been more wrong. Wrong about trusting what he said and a lot of you guys called it. I can really only add, WTF Senator?

hawkdriver on June 15, 2013 at 5:56 PM

The only place where his “popularity” matters is in FlaDuh…and he’s toast down here.

He’s come out for his pet interests as if that’s the only issue he’s capable of dealing with or that matters…his people and his Hispanic brothers 24/7.

We know that he has no interest in dealing with any other issues besides Illegal immigrants…and not addressing jobs, national security or energy needs for the country.

Some how he’s convinced that 20 million, illegal, illiterate, low skilled, dependents is “good” for the country. And he’s deranged if he thinks that this issue along will swing those vote to the R’s.

Twana on June 15, 2013 at 5:58 PM

they lie on June 15, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Neither of you must follow the shows. Rush and Hannity were pounding Rubio this week on his amnesty flip flop.

hawkdriver on June 15, 2013 at 6:09 PM

You got to wonder about these RINOs. Were they Dem plants all along.. or did someone sit down with them the day after the election and convince them how wonderful their lives would be if they just did what they were told.

“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” – Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

JellyToast on June 15, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Limbaugh/Levin/Hannity are strangely supportive of Rubio. No negative commentary on him.

True_King

But they aren’t supportive of his bill(well, except for Hannity), and haven’t been from almost day one.

xblade on June 15, 2013 at 6:58 PM

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Maybe it will start to wake some up then when they consistently fail at elections becuase they lost the support of some of the base?

Our vote is to be a vote of what we beleive in and NOT what you do or any one else. They should EARN our vote… and if they are going to be center left like you say, I am not going to give someone my vote when I only agree with 30% of their ideas… sorry.

Twist my arm some more and you even distance me even more. You make it very repulsive with that thinking… “WELL HE THE MOST ELECTABLE ELEVINTY@@@@!!!”

McCain and Mittens would have got us where we are at at some point… much slower though.. so I see no benefit on giving up my vote anymore for the “most electable” and more when I see nothing that I would like to see in a candidate.

watertown on June 15, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Like when they were presidents, and the only game in town?

The bush’s had virtually all our support then because what was our alternative?

Single digit hairballs like Ron Paul?… Ross (nutcase) Perot?

You’re very conveniently forgetting the context.

After the Mitt defeat, most of the conservative base is done compromising anymore, we were sold out too often. But third party is a certain looser, only splitting our vote and not the democrats. It’ll simply get another democrat elected, like Bill in 92 on a plurality.

mark81150 on June 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Yeah, its better that conservatives stay home on election day rather than create a viable 3rd party.

Yeah, that’s smart.

You have 4 options, stay home when the establishment wins again (they will), support the establishment’s candidate, vote for the Dem, or start a viable 3rd party.

You dummies always to choose to stay home when the establishment screws you, and yet you call those that choose to stay active in a different way “nutcases”, ha ha!

Your methods only expand the government no matter which option you choose. If you stay home, socialism advances. If you vote for the establishment’s Presidential, candidate socialism advances. If you vote for the Dem, socialism advances. If you start a third party, socialism MIGHT advance but you just don’t know what will happen until you do it.

What we know WON’T happen is a conservative will get the GOP nomination, and if by some miracle he/she does, he/she will be destroyed by the media, and if by another miracle he/she wins, the Congress won’t do CRAP to reduce government. The Limbaugh/Levin/Hannity way has not worked, EVER!!!!!!!

2010, you gave them the power. They lied to you. Socialism advanced.

Who’s the “nutjob?”

Fools

The GOP will betray you

True_King on June 15, 2013 at 7:50 PM

If it as easy the commie on the dole voters would be doing it.

It will be hard in some places, easy in others and never above 50% in the commie enclaves on the east and west coast.

But conservatives could take over the reins of the Republican Party.

We did it in Texas somewhat and are working for more success.

Ted Cruz trunceing of David Duherst shows the path.

The House and Senate can be done in time.

First the RINO’s have to go they sleep with the commie Democrats and rat U.S. out at ever chance.

It is a two party evil money cult made possible by the RINO’s.

First things first.

If you know where the snipers are and you know your side is getting shot in the back by said snipers cut the tree down they are using and get them down on the ground with U.S. and jack their jaws with a good olf fashion right cross of truth.

Only take 6 to 9 RINO’s gone in the Senate and 60 or so in the House.

All we have to do is man up, “cowboy up” dust ourselves off admitt its a con and go after

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 15, 2013 at 8:22 PM

The Pub Party is dead if conservatives will quit being as dumb as the blacks on the Dem. plantation. Yes, conservatives are treated like shit in the Pub. party, yet we still kiss the establishment master’s asses and vote for the slave masters. We are so stupid. And they know it. Pubs. MUST vote for a third party candidate, the Dem. opponent and get the destruction of the country over with, or stay home. Pubs. have never been more than Dem. light. We still have BIG gubmmint, staggering debt, high taxes, strangling regulations, and less freedom than ever. And Pubs. have contributed to it. Bush was a conservative killer. Pubs. in office only care about getting reelected. They don’t care if they are in a minority or not as long as their sorry asses can stay in DC. Dems. care about their ideology of Socialism and Communism. Pubs. care about getting elected and nothing more. They are happy to be in the minority because they actually support big gubmint. Anyone voting for a pub. is a tool. Why else would they give the Dems. a massive voting block? Pubs. know they will win a certain number of seats. They don’t really care about the Potus position. They care about keeping a small number of the old line career pols. in office. That’s the bottom line.

they lie on June 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM

do you think for a second some far right religious right winger would ever win a national election? demos have changed…this isn’t the america the baby boomers grew up in…i seriously doubt a republican moderate/liberal/whatever will win again. hillary clinton/cory booker 2016…who’s is going to beat a white woman, and a gay black man? Nobody…with the media push…the fix is already done

Redford on June 15, 2013 at 8:55 PM

The Pub Party is dead if conservatives will quit being as dumb as the blacks on the Dem. plantation. Yes, conservatives are treated like shit in the Pub. party, yet we still kiss the establishment master’s asses and vote for the slave masters. We are so stupid. And they know it. Pubs. MUST vote for a third party candidate, the Dem. opponent and get the destruction of the country over with, or stay home. Pubs. have never been more than Dem. light. We still have BIG gubmmint, staggering debt, high taxes, strangling regulations, and less freedom than ever. And Pubs. have contributed to it. Bush was a conservative killer. Pubs. in office only care about getting reelected. They don’t care if they are in a minority or not as long as their sorry asses can stay in DC. Dems. care about their ideology of Socialism and Communism. Pubs. care about getting elected and nothing more. They are happy to be in the minority because they actually support big gubmint. Anyone voting for a pub. is a tool. Why else would they give the Dems. a massive voting block? Pubs. know they will win a certain number of seats. They don’t really care about the Potus position. They care about keeping a small number of the old line career pols. in office. That’s the bottom line.

they lie on June 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM

do you think for a second some far right religious right winger would ever win a national election? demos have changed…this isn’t the america the baby boomers grew up in…i seriously doubt a republican moderate/liberal/whatever will win again. hillary clinton/cory booker 2016…who’s is going to beat a white woman, and a gay black man? Nobody…with the media push…the fix is already done

Redford on June 15, 2013 at 8:55 PM

And yes I do agree that pols don’t care…it’s power and corruption….but I blame the Democrat party far more than the GOP for the crap we’ve seen since 08. Bush might not have the best or greatest, but this Dem party is not JFK’s party

Redford on June 15, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Maybe “disgruntled Conservatives” have an overinflated sense of worth and the Party internal polling shows attracting new Hispanic voters is more valuable and beneficial than worrying about a bunch of grumpy gusses?

Marcus on June 15, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Yeah, the same sort of internal polling that showed all those moderates running to Romney.

ddrintn on June 15, 2013 at 9:10 PM

do you think for a second some far right religious right winger would ever win a national election?

Redford on June 15, 2013 at 8:55 PM

They’d stand a better chance than yet another squish.

ddrintn on June 15, 2013 at 9:13 PM

My reaction to amnesty (or whatever the hell you want to call this nonsense) will be very cut and dry.

Those Republicans who oppose it will have my gratitude, admiration, and of course my vote.

Those “Republicans” who support this will not cause me to refrain from voting. I’ll simply vote third party or write-in Donald Duck if I have to.

I’m not kidding. Just try me and a lot of other people.

Reggie1971 on June 15, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Thew problem is the GOP Leadership are ashamed of their base.

kingsjester on June 15, 2013 at 10:43 AM

That problem should be solved soon when they cease to have one.

rrpjr on June 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM

True_King on June 15, 2013 at 7:50 PM

+1000 Because voting for Pubs. has gotten us smaller gov’t., lower taxes, less regs.,fewer wars, less debt, a balanced budget, no patriot act, and more freedom. Did I miss anything remotely conservative we have gotten by voting for Pubs? Didn’t think so. No, I do not plan to vote for another Pub. I will vote Libertarian Party, Mickey Mouse or even for the Dems., but not for a spineless lying bunch of hacks who hate conservatives, but only tolerate us for our votes. I will not be treated like a cheap whore.

they lie on June 15, 2013 at 9:51 PM

True_King on June 15, 2013 at 7:50 PM

+1000 Because voting for Pubs. has gotten us smaller gov’t., lower taxes, less regs.,fewer wars, less debt, a balanced budget, no patriot act, and more freedom. Did I miss anything remotely conservative we have gotten by voting for Pubs? Didn’t think so. No, I do not plan to vote for another Pub. I will vote Libertarian Party, Mickey Mouse or even for the Dems., but not for a spineless lying bunch of hacks who hate conservatives, but only tolerate us for our votes. I will not be treated like a cheap whore.

they lie on June 15, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Yes, and they call YOU the nutjob for not doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

True_King on June 15, 2013 at 9:57 PM

The GOP needs the white vote to win any election,at any level,in this country.It’s a shame that it has come to this,but it is what it is.It is also true that many conservatives angry in June,become resigned by November.But not enough.More of us are tuning out and shutting down every year.Some of us have simply decided that our votes don’t matter and that govnment is corrupt regardless of who is in power.Others,like myself, have become convinced that the GOP must be replaced in order to have even the slightest chance of stopping the progressive/socialists from destroying the country we love.Bottom line,there are no longer enough white voters excited enough to bother to vote at all.Marco Rubio might be the next “lesser of two evils” in what is becoming a GOP tradition in nominating one,but Hillary Clinton is going to clean his clock.Because when conservative activists like me,who has worked for,given money to and always voted for Republican candidates for 40 years says “No more”, it is more than likely not enough of s white voters will be standing in line in November.Rubio is exactly the problem with the GOP-he and it are unprincipled liars.

redware on June 15, 2013 at 10:24 PM

do you think for a second some far right religious right winger would ever win a national election?

Redford on June 15, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Did you see me at Mittens’ inaugural bash, waving at you? That was me, waving.

Kent18 on June 15, 2013 at 11:43 PM

“If you want to know why Rubio hasn’t walked away from the Gang of Eight bill yet, that’s why. He has no political incentive to do so.”

I’d be willing to go out on a limb and guess that most Republicans polled have no idea what Rubio is up to. Let’s wait until it’s time to vote and see have favorable is numbers are. We all saw the corruptocrats run to mommy when they voted on gun control. The same will happen when they tee up amnesty.

cajunpatriot on June 16, 2013 at 7:09 AM

cajunpatriot on June 16, 2013 at 7:09 AM

Guilty. I was defending him big time. I really could not believe he could be beating the secure border drum that hard without meaning it. His comments prove me wrong.

hawkdriver on June 16, 2013 at 7:45 AM

The poll is bogus

It added Independents

Plus, the heat is really just starting on Rubio

The vote will destroy him

TexasJew on June 16, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Rubio is my Senator. I like him, I voted for him. I was hoping he would make a run in 2016 but due to his “evolving” position on illegal immigration, I will no longer support him in the Republican primary. I’m liking Rand Paul or Ted Cruz currently and so is every Conservative I know. The Conservatives I know may be Registered Republican but we are not Republican. We hold our noses every four years and vote Republican. In my case, I have been doing so since returning from Vietnam in 1968, but never again. If the GOP does not nominate a Conservative, I will vote third party knowing that it may elect a Democrat. The GOP must be put on notice that we Conservatives have had it with them. I have voted GOP for 45 years only to see my once great country slide ever leftward. The Republicans never pull the Donkeys to the right, they always get pulled to the left and I’ll not vote for them again.

“The difference between Democrats and Republicans is: Democrats have accepted some ideas of Socialism cheerfully, while Republicans have accepted them reluctantly”. ~ Norman Thomas, American Socialist

Ecclesiastes 10:2 (ESV) A wise man’s heart inclines him to the right, but a fool’s heart to the left.

SpiderMike on June 16, 2013 at 10:35 AM

You mean the same group that think Christie is swell? What we need is a second party!

Cindy Munford on June 16, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Rubio is the Republican version of Obama.

moonsbreath on June 16, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Rubio is a version of O. Most of the illegals come from the gimmedat class as shown by recent arrogance and entitlement.

dylan on June 16, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Most people do not yet understand the immigration bill.

IF it passes, and 20+ million people are rubber stamped into ‘the system’, the size and scope of this fraud will sink most EVERYONE that votes for it.

Freddy on June 16, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Marko Rubio=knave and a fool

dylan on June 16, 2013 at 11:48 PM

This is a lie and a distraction.

Levinite on June 17, 2013 at 4:13 AM

IF it passes, and 20+ million people are rubber stamped into ‘the system’, the size and scope of this fraud will sink most EVERYONE that votes for it.

Freddy on June 16, 2013 at 11:44 PM

It’s more in the range of 30-40 million then you have to add 3-5 family members for each one. That’s essentially the entire population of the U.S. in 1950.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke

Burn the phones down this week.

TxAnn56 on June 17, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Didn’t we learn anything from the 2012 Republican primaries? The question is not who the voters want, but who the Establishment wants. Whoever the RNC wants, the RNC gets. My guess is that if it’s between Christie and Rubio, it will be Rubio because I’m sure he has been promised something for his loyalty to the Party on the immigration bill. If Jeb Bush runs, then Rubio will be chosen to be V.P. Rand Paul will never be the nominee.

lea on June 17, 2013 at 10:58 AM

No shock- the same Republicans gave us the Bushes, Dole, McCain, and Romney. Business as usual.

Valiant on June 17, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Conservative ideologues like me

Thank you. I find this bit of honesty in self-identification to be refreshing.

MJBrutus on June 17, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Thank you. I find this bit of honesty in self-identification to be refreshing.

MJBrutus on June 17, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Why don’t you follow suit? Just as predicted, like clockwork it comes back ready to pimp whatever GOPe mannequin.

ddrintn on June 18, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Comment pages: 1 2 3