Senate kills Grassley’s border-security amendment — with all four Republican “Gang of Eight” members in support

posted at 2:01 pm on June 13, 2013 by Allahpundit

Grassley’s amendment was dead on arrival in the Judiciary Committee and it was dead on arrival on the floor of the Senate today. Why? Because it did the one thing Republican border hawks Must Not Do as part of this grand, glorious compromise on immigration: It demanded that the border be effectively secured before any form of legalization, including first-stage probationary legalization, is granted to illegals. That would be a true enforcement “trigger” for amnesty, something that would warrant a second look at the bill. But of course, Democrats will never, ever agree to it; they have no more faith in DHS efficiently securing the border than you do, and thus there’s no way they’re going to make legalization contingent upon it. That’s why even Rubio, since the very beginning of this fiasco, has insisted that probationary legalization come before border security. The bill would be dead if he didn’t make that concession, and he’d rather have a terrible bill that betrays his phony promises of “security first” than have no bill at all.

That’s also why he, McCain, Graham, and Flake — the four GOP members of the Gang of Eight — all voted yes on Reid’s motion to table Grassley’s amendment, along with devout RINO Lisa Murkowski. They were the only Republican votes that Reid got, and as it turns out, he didn’t need a single one of them. A motion to table requires only 51 votes to pass and Reid had 52 Democrats on his side. The Republican “Gang” members conceivably could have voted no to try to show conservatives that they were striking a blow for tighter border security, even though they knew their votes would mean nothing and that Grassley’s amendment would fail anyway. They didn’t, because the Gang’s vowed to stick together on tough votes as a show of solidarity in the name of preserving the horrible “compromise” they’ve struck. They’re now past the point, it seems, of even making a pretense of border enforcement for the benefit of angry righties. There’s something to be said for honesty, I guess.

Reid’s move infuriated opponents of the bill, who said their right to keep talking while they worked to build a coalition for their proposal had been stripped away without fair warning.

“This so-called open and fair process is a farce,” the top Judiciary Committee Republican, Charles E. Grassley, called out just before the roll call. “This is a very provocative act.”…

For Reid, the power to call for tabling motions gives him additional leverage to move the debate along at a relatively brisk pace — and with solid odds of keeping the bill to his liking. He can make ideas he views as poison pills go away with 51 votes, while the other side will need 60 votes to add language viewed as killer amendments by the Obama administration, the gang of eight and the coalition of business and labor groups pushing the measure.

Rubio will, I’m guessing, defend his vote to table Grassley’s amendment in two ways. One: He’ll try to pander to conservatives by driving a hard bargain on other hot-button stuff to distract them from the fact that he caved on allowing legalization before border security. His last pander was to demand stricter English-language requirements for illegals; today’s pander is to threaten Democrats that he’ll walk away from the bill if Pat Leahy’s amendment granting rights to the spouses of gay illegals passes. The fact that he’s willing to make a lame, boutique issue like that a dealbreaker but not the fact that Democrats refuse to secure the border before granting illegals probationary legalization tells you exactly how seriously he’s taking this bill from a policy standpoint. It’s an insult to serious border hawks, but as DrewM says, it’ll help Rubio with social cons in Iowa in 2016. And that’s what really matters, Rubio’s endless pronouncements that he’s only doing this because it’s the “right thing to do” notwithstanding.

Two: He’ll end up either backing Cornyn’s amendment demanding tighter border security before the second stage of legalization (the green-card process) or, if Democrats give him a firm no on that, he’ll cave on that too and then try to put together an even weaker border amendment of his own as a substitute. Sounds like that’s what’s in motion now, with Rubio working on a compromise while our old friend McCain tries to kill Cornyn’s bill before it even gets rolling:

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is beginning to speak out forcefully against the Cornyn language, bombarding the Texas Republican with critical comments from the Senate floor. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is lobbying other Republicans on potential compromises. And Rubio, although he said Wednesday that the Cornyn plan “dramatically improves the bill,” is working on a package that others in the Gang of Eight hope could emerge as an alternative…

Rubio, in an interview with POLITICO this week, would not describe his work with Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) and others as an “alternative” to the Cornyn plan.

“We certainly have ideas, and we’re sharing them with people, but if others want to take the lead on securing the border, that’s good,” Rubio said. “We’re in a game of addition. … The border security elements of the bill will have to be improved. The only issue is what is going to do that.”

Cornyn’s bill is better than the status quo but see Mickey Kaus for why it too is basically a fudge on real border security, beginning with the fact that it signs on to the Gang’s “legalization before security” scheme rather than Grassley’s “security first” proposal. And so now we wait: Will Democrats cave, allowing Cornyn’s ineffective but salable-to-conservatives border amendment into the bill? Or will they muscle Rubio into quitting on Cornyn and offering something that’s even more watered down? The fate of … nothing, really, depends on the answer.


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We do not have two political parties any more.

kingsjester on June 13, 2013 at 2:02 PM

What is wrong with that guy? (Rubio)

Youngs98 on June 13, 2013 at 2:04 PM

I’ve given up any hope of this being stopped. Welcome to the new America.

tbrickert on June 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Swine.

Mason on June 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Why? Because it did the one thing Republican border hawks Must Not Do as part of this grand, glorious compromise on immigration: It demanded that the border be effectively secured before any form of legalization, including first-stage probationary legalization, is granted to illegals.

The Crime We Dare Not Speaks Its Name, or something.

Akzed on June 13, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Will Democrats cave, allowing Cornyn’s ineffective but salable-to-conservatives border amendment into the bill? Or will they muscle Rubio into quitting on Cornyn and offering something that’s even more watered down?

They’ll give Marco the fig leaf. It’s the kindest thing to do.

a capella on June 13, 2013 at 2:07 PM

All that said, Rubio really would make a good nominee in 2016. He can speak well, he’s still young, Hispanic, willing to reach across the aisle and work with both party for moderate solutions.

Sadly, I just don’t see him beating somebody like O’Malley or Cuomo in the primary.

Gingotts on June 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

What happened to the Western Empire when the Goths were allowed to settle in Roman borders without beginning Romanized? How did that work out?

Oil Can on June 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Same as it ever was. Fire the lot of them!!!

Bmore on June 13, 2013 at 2:10 PM

No vote for Rubio. If he is the GOP Pres candidate, along with millions like me, will stay home. To hell with this idea of “buying” the Latino vote. Both primary Mexican parties are Socialist. When they come here, that’s what they expect and will support – despite their much vaunted “natural conservatism”.

Hucklebuck on June 13, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Gingotts on June 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM:

Bazinga!

Hucklebuck on June 13, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Same as it ever was. Fire the lot of them!!!

Bmore on June 13, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Great one, Ms. Lindsey needs a pink skirt.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:12 PM

The Impact of Illegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers: A Briefing Before The United States Commission on Civil Rights Held in Washington, DC
 
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The Commission found also that about six in 10 adult black males have a high school diploma or less, and are disproportionately employed in the low-skilled labor market in likely competition with immigrants.
 
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/IllegImmig_10-14-10_430pm.pdf

rogerb on June 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Gingotts on June 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Heh. I see what you did there. Nice!

a capella on June 13, 2013 at 2:13 PM

“What is wrong with that guy? (Rubio)”

He went to DC and was told, over and over, that bipartisanship was the only way to get ahead. Schumer must have told him that a hundred times by now.

Hucklebuck on June 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Rubio will, I’m guessing, defend his vote to table Grassley’s amendment in two ways. One: He’ll try to pander to conservatives by driving a hard bargain on other hot-button stuff to distract them from the fact that he caved on allowing legalization before border security

No, Rubio will not explain anything as he does not care about conservatives, the rule of law, or the Tea Party people that got him elected.

Freddy on June 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Rubio is a traitor, the swine who betrayed the TEA party and his land, a charlatan like most all ohters.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Great one, Ms. Lindsey needs a pink skirt.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Ha! Slight correction if I may.

Great one, Ms. Lindsey needs a pink slip.

Bmore on June 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

The Republican “Gang” members conceivably could have voted no to try to show conservatives that they were striking a blow for tighter border security, even though they knew their votes would mean nothing and that Grassley’s amendment would fail anyway. They didn’t, because the Gang’s vowed to stick together on tough votes as a show of solidarity in the name of preserving the horrible “compromise” they’ve struck.

“Solidarity” over even a false showing of sticking to principles. This is why we can’t have a nice country anymore.

rbj on June 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

All that said, Rubio really would make a good nominee in 2016. He can speak well, he’s still young, Hispanic, willing to reach across the aisle and work with both party for moderate solutions.

Sadly, I just don’t see him beating somebody like O’Malley or Cuomo in the primary.

Gingotts on June 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I see what you did there. ;)

kim roy on June 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Gingotts on June 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Boom!

iwasbornwithit on June 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Screw ‘em all and ship them to Mexico.

GarandFan on June 13, 2013 at 2:16 PM

We do not have two political parties any more.

kingsjester on June 13, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Read to the last word.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Bmore on June 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

But that’s a given, to any sound person.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:17 PM

The votes on this amendment tell us CLEARLY who has been LYING to us about border security. This was the exact lesson of Reagan’s 1986 amnesty… that “later” never comes.

Every single Republican who voted against the Grassley Amendment today needs to be firmly rejected at the ballot box. Let’s primary them on THIS vote. And if they withstand a primary, let’s give them a third party candidate or even a write-in. It’s time to send a strong message to the GOP.

Murf76 on June 13, 2013 at 2:18 PM

legalization come before border security

NOPE, been there, seen that just 25 years ago. If the border is not sealed, no legalization, no amnesty, no nothing.

RedInMD on June 13, 2013 at 2:18 PM

What’s the over/under on Rubio switching parties?

I would say about 10 months.

cool breeze on June 13, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Sadly, I just don’t see him beating somebody like O’Malley or Cuomo in the primary.

Gingotts on June 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Or Keane, who also speaks Spanish, or D. Patrick or C. Booker, whom Obama will support.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:18 PM

I can’t wait for the next phone call from the GOP looking for a contribution.

Cicero43 on June 13, 2013 at 2:18 PM

AYNBLAND, preemptively, Ronald Reagan regretted his amnesyt to his last discerning day.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Where are the commercials on tv and radio selling border security first.
Why is that concept for dems so hard to grasp?

losarkos on June 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM

bluegill will be by to tell you rubes to get religion, you hicks of the world, you.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

It will never pass in the House and will then be used as a catalyst by the Dems to take back the House in 2014. Political theater, nothing more, nothing less.

And if the Dems regain the House in 2014 the final “nail in the coffin” of the U.S. will be driven as the Dems will gain millions more votes.

Clink on June 13, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Yeah, we should only be so lucky to have it play out that way. Hell, I’d love for this to die in the House and have the Dems attempt to run on a 2014 platform of gun control and amnesty(with the backdrop of Obamacare blowing up in their faces).

Unfortunately the far more likely scenario is Boehner eventually caves on the Hastert Rule and allows the Senate bill(or something close to it) to pass with all the Dems and a handful of RINOs voting for it.

Doughboy on June 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

So Mexico won the war, then?

OldEnglish on June 13, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Doughboy on June 13, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Boehner is for it, no matter what he lies about. If it passes the senate it’s a done deal. YOU can take this to the bank. If I’m wrong, I’ll be happy to choke on my own words.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:21 PM

So Mexico won the war, then?

OldEnglish on June 13, 2013 at 2:21 PM

They didn’t but the D/Rs revised history.

p.s. don’t you dare call them illegals.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Gingotts on June 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM

How do you spell touché in spanish?

D-fusit on June 13, 2013 at 2:24 PM

They’re now past the point, it seems, of even making a pretense of border enforcement for the benefit of angry righties. There’s something to be said for honesty, I guess.

So we should feel good about the fact that Rubio, McCain, etc., are bold-faced liars and frauds, because at least they’re not even trying to pretend — anymore — that they’re not bold-faced liars and frauds?

As Hillary says, “What difference, at this point, does it make?”

Their lies got them safely through their last elections, and that was all that mattered to them.

It is sickening to think of how low this once-proud country has sunk. To have people of such dishonor serving in the capital city that once hosted great Americans like George Washington. Sad.

AZCoyote on June 13, 2013 at 2:24 PM

I’m getting to the point I mute that lying slug slime Rubio and I do bho! I can’t stand his lying mouth!
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letget on June 13, 2013 at 2:24 PM

“We certainly have ideas, and we’re sharing them with people, but if others want to take the lead on securing the border, that’s good,” Rubio said.

Border security should be job one for each and every one of you 100 criminals and cheats. Figuring out how to make amnesty isn’t your damned job- keeping this nation safe is. What part of that don’t you understand??????

Happy Nomad on June 13, 2013 at 2:24 PM

p.s. don’t you dare call them illegals.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:22 PM

I don’t – I call them criminals.

OldEnglish on June 13, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Boehner is for it, no matter what he lies about. If it passes the senate it’s a done deal. YOU can take this to the bank. If I’m wrong, I’ll be happy to choke on my own words.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Yup. And, they’ll pass it before we see what’s really in it.

Fallon on June 13, 2013 at 2:25 PM

I say put the first issue out there. That 11 million number is bogus and we know it. Put a limit of 11 million, first come first enrolled on a list that will be the only way to move forward in the process. Make the cut-off day 30 days from the date of the announcement.

There will be 30 million attempt to get on that list. It will limit the number to 11 million, no provision for extended family. Then watch as the amnesty sparrows scramble.

DanMan on June 13, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Wouldn’t it make more sense to shut down the government until the ObamaScandals are fully investigated?

faraway on June 13, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Boehner is for it, no matter what he lies about. If it passes the senate it’s a done deal. YOU can take this to the bank. If I’m wrong, I’ll be happy to choke on my own words.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:21 PM

But the question is if and how quickly he caves on the Hastert rule. He has to in order for this to ever pass the House. There’s no way there are 118 House Republicans who are going to vote for amnesty.

Doughboy on June 13, 2013 at 2:25 PM

The fact that there is hardened opposition to border security among our “rulers” proves that the NSA domestic spying program had nothing to do with national security.

Akzed on June 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Odds are not very good that this will pass in the house. This is all political posturing and theater right now in the Senate. Remember when Bush said he would sign a renewal of the assualt weapons ban? It was never going to get passed and he knew it. Boehner is playing the same game with the House.

Johnnyreb on June 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Hucklebuck on June 13, 2013 at 2:14 PM

nope, don’t lay the blame at other’s feet. this is who Rubio is, who he always has been. in the florida legislature he was consistently pro-illegal immigration. another great palin approved bust.

chasdal on June 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM

If the RNC wants to raise a ton of money from the conservative base, they should travel the country with Rubio and Roberts sitting in a Dunk Tank.

Daemonocracy on June 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM

My Immigration Proposal would be to allow every single one of these congresscritter sumb*tchez to immigrate to Mexico and Fix that country.

They can take Obamacare with them.

workingclass artist on June 13, 2013 at 2:27 PM

You can send free faxes to your Senators at NumbersUSA. They are the single most effective group fighting the amnesty.

If you aren’t fighting this bill, you must start now. If this bill becomes law, the country will change for the worse forever.

Thresher on June 13, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Traitors all 4 of them

VegasRick on June 13, 2013 at 2:27 PM

I received an e-mail alert saying that a CA-GOP rep attached an amendment to a Defense Authorization bill that will grant amnesty to illegal immigrants who enlist in the military.

The vote is supposedly today in the House.

These people are sneaking shite through right and left.

Maybe this is good policy, but from what I’ve read about Rubio’s bill, it’s so laden with qualifiers that it requires nothing of anymore and virtually all requirements can be waived by Sec of DHS. So for this amendment, I expect that all these illegals need to do is show up, enlist, get a physical, show up for the first day, then get dishonorably discharged, and voila–citizenship.

What happened to the rule of law?

BuckeyeSam on June 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is beginning to speak out forcefully against the Cornyn language, bombarding the Texas Republican with critical comments from the Senate floor.

He’s a nasty piece of shit.

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Did we just witness the end of the Republican party?

ProfessorMiao on June 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM

another great palin approved bust.

chasdal on June 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Would you have preferred that she endorse the NOW-DEMOCRAT, Charlie Crist?

Just askin’.

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 2:30 PM

That’s also why he, McCain, Graham, and Flake — the four GOP members of the Gang of Eight — all voted yes on Reid’s motion to table Grassley’s amendment, along with devout RINO Lisa Murkowski.

These, plus Obama will finish off America. Amnesty is worse than Obama’care’, but together they are lethat.

Not one vote for the Rs. This is all about what Ann Coulter says, with all her lice.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Ya know, when it’s all said and done, I won’t matter if they promise to dig a 50 foot moat and stock it with alligators.

After they pass the steaming POS, they’ll just ignore the border security parts…

Pricks….

BigWyo on June 13, 2013 at 2:30 PM

another great palin approved bust.

chasdal on June 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Use your brain, if you have one. It’s not her fault that Ayotte and Rubio are traitors to the TEA party and their country.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM

don’t you dare call them illegals.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Yeah, for some reason the illegals don’t like being called illegals. Well tough, they aren’t undocumented. They are not citizens or resident aliens. They are not here as our guests. They are a bunch of illegals who shouldn’t be upset by truth-calling. And if they don’t like it they can go back from wherever the hell they came from because they are not welcome here under the conditions set up by this amnesty scheme.

Happy Nomad on June 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Ayotte peeled away form the Gang on this, which makes me wonder if she’s getting pushback back home from her gun vote and cloture vote or she just did this for show, and is a lock for the final shamnesty cloture vote. Sadly, I think it’s the latter.

Wethal on June 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM

What Reid would say if he were honest;

We’re after power, and we mean to get it. We are going to get all those new voters, and you can’t stop us. Now shut up.

RINOs who vote with him on this should be expelled from the GOP, and told,

If you want to be a Democrat so damned badly, join their party officially.

Not that that will ever happen, of course.

And for anyone who tries to say that such behavior would prove the GOP is irredeemably evil, two words; Joseph Lieberman.

clear ether

eon

eon on June 13, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is beginning to speak out forcefully against the Cornyn language, bombarding the Texas Republican with critical comments from the Senate floor.

He’s a nasty piece of shit.

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM

If I didn’t know better I’d say he is a bitter old bastard who wants payback for the 2008 election.

D-fusit on June 13, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Hucklebuck on June 13, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Yep. I got forced to vote for McCain ( Loved Sara though ) and Mittens… No more. I will not partake into this garbage anymore.

watertown on June 13, 2013 at 2:33 PM

I remember the days when one could freely cross from one side of our borders with both Mexico and Canada without so much as a driver’s license. It felt like FREEDOM!

MJBrutus on June 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Would you have preferred that she endorse the NOW-DEMOCRAT, Charlie Crist?

Just askin’.

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 2:30 PM

In retrospect, we all would’ve been better off with Chuck Crist. I’m not gonna harp on Palin’s endorsement of Rubio since all of us were snookered by the dude. But anyone who endorses this lying piece of crap in 2016(for either President or reelection to the Senate) goes on my sh-tlist along with Rubio.

Doughboy on June 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is beginning to speak out forcefully against the Cornyn language, bombarding the Texas Republican with critical comments from the Senate floor.

He’s a nasty piece of shit.

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Yeah easy for McGag to say… his state would not be turned into little Mexico…then again it would only be a matter of time before it was … by then McGag will be retired so he dont care.

watertown on June 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

don’t you dare call them illegals.
Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:22 PM

May we call them tuberculosis carriers?

Akzed on June 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Did we just witness the end of the Republican party?

ProfessorMiao on June 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM

As far as I can tell, the Time of Death was officially 2008.

faraway on June 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Ayotte peeled away form the Gang on this, which makes me wonder if she’s getting pushback back home from her gun vote and cloture vote or she just did this for show, and is a lock for the final shamnesty cloture vote. Sadly, I think it’s the latter.

Wethal on June 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM

You can bet $ she got pushback and a whole lot more. The letter I sent her would have made sailors blush. I pulled no punches even going so far as to tell her that I would now actively campaign for anyone running against her regardless of party.

D-fusit on June 13, 2013 at 2:37 PM

It will never pass in the House and will then be used as a catalyst by the Dems to take back the House in 2014. Political theater, nothing more, nothing less.

And if the Dems regain the House in 2014 the final “nail in the coffin” of the U.S. will be driven as the Dems will gain millions more votes.

Clink on June 13, 2013 at 2:12 PM

It has a good chance of passing the House. Everyone needs to call their Congressmen and if yours is a hopeless left wing democrat then block your caller ID and get in touch with some of the RINOs. Have a zip code from the district in case they ask.

Wigglesworth on June 13, 2013 at 2:38 PM

I wish GOP members of Congress who oppose this bill would begin vilifying this bill with facts and some invective.

This bill won’t even ensure our personal safety by summarily booting criminals.

BuckeyeSam on June 13, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM

A sloppy quickie just for you. ; )

Bmore on June 13, 2013 at 2:38 PM

In retrospect, we all would’ve been better off with Chuck Crist.

Doughboy on June 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

As if Charlie Crist wouldn’t vote for support amnesty.

Rubio is a liar. Crist is, too.

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Bye bye America…been nice knowing you. When do I sign up for Spanish classes so I can speaky Mexican.

NJ Red on June 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Si se puede

cmsinaz on June 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

I’ve always thought of Grassley as a RINO, but he’s really been good on this issue.

commodore on June 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

f*ing traitors

dmacleo on June 13, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Yeah easy for McGag to say… his state would not be turned into little Mexico…then again it would only be a matter of time before it was … by then McGag will be retired so he dont care.

watertown on June 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

‘Xactly.

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Bye bye America…been nice knowing you. When do I sign up for Spanish classes so I can speaky Mexican.

NJ Red on June 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM

You’d have more freedom in Hong Kong…

PatriotRider on June 13, 2013 at 2:40 PM

As far as I can tell, the Time of Death was officially 2008.

faraway on June 13, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Forensics usually involve some guestimation. Time for a four or five party system. Dems, Conservative, Greens, Libertarians, and whatever is left if there could be a fifth party.

oldroy on June 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

I hereby call on all conservatives within the eyesight of my text to call all your congressmen and demand a national divorce. We can no longer peacefully live with the progressive parasites, so we must part ways.

nobar on June 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

You’d have more freedom in Hong Kong…

PatriotRider on June 13, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Better food too, I’d suspect.

oldroy on June 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Repeat, but must be known – the duplicitous swine in the senate.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:43 PM

call all your congressmen and demand a national divorce.

nobar on June 13, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Like an Excommunication?

faraway on June 13, 2013 at 2:44 PM

I’m not gonna harp on Palin’s endorsement of Rubio since all of us were snookered by the dude.

Doughboy on June 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

I don’t hold Palin’s support of Rubio in the race against Orange Crush against her, but not all of us were snookered by the treasonous little worm. Many Fla Tea Partiers were warning about the guy and I didn’t like some of the things he had said and done before the race. He never came across as a real conservative but in that race it didn’t matter much. Orange Crush was just too repulsive for words.

It turns out, though, that Rubio turned out to be far, far worse than even many of us who didn’t like him very much thought. But, make no mistake. Rubio was only a “conservative darling” to the MSM and GOP leadership. People who actually knew about him weren’t nearly as enthused and there were more than a few who were skeptical, at best.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 13, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Remember those few weeks when McCain was in the primary when he sounded like a conservative?

Yeah he lies just as much as 0bama.

jukin3 on June 13, 2013 at 2:44 PM

And that’s what really matters, Rubio’s endless pronouncements that he’s only doing this because it’s the “right thing to do” notwithstanding.

Warring against America is not the right think to do and I don’t care how many time or in how many ways or in how many languages Rubio says it is.

VorDaj on June 13, 2013 at 2:45 PM

OT: Palin is back

faraway on June 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Better food too, I’d suspect.

oldroy on June 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Definitely…

PatriotRider on June 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

One of the brothers became a citizen…

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

I remember the days when one could freely cross from one side of our borders with both Mexico and Canada without so much as a driver’s license. It felt like FREEDOM!

MJBrutus on June 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Nice idea and only requires 3 things:

1. Prosecute employers who hire illegals.
2. Vagrancy laws.
3. No Sanctuary cities.

Unfortunately, the last one still requires winning back the cities from the democrats.

gh on June 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen, I’ve heard there will be a protest on this and the tax issue next week. If you can’t make it, send another real message.

Register independent temporarily and let them know your discontent.

A significant number change in party rolls will send a message to our inept establishment leadership. You don’t have to leave permanently, just send a message with a temporary change.

Chubbs65 on June 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Rubio can put any thoughts of higher office on ice…

PatriotRider on June 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

jukin3 on June 13, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Well the good news is that McCain didn’t submit a resolution to declare war on our neighbors to the North and South. That’s his usual style of problem solving and diplomacy.

MJBrutus on June 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

As if Charlie Crist wouldn’t vote for support amnesty.

Rubio is a liar. Crist is, too.

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Did I say he wouldn’t have voted for amnesty? No. Here’s the difference. Chuck Crist could not have been used as a frontman to sell this to the base and Americans at large the way Rubio has. Crist was a white(or orange) RINO who conservatives never liked or trusted. Rubio was a Tea Party conservative rock star. This bill never would’ve gotten this far had it not been for Rubio’s presence cuz the rest of the participants are mostly the same as in 2007 when it previously failed and the mood of the country has not shifted on this issue. If it passes, it’s on him.

Doughboy on June 13, 2013 at 2:47 PM

The fate of … nothing, really, depends on the answer.

Heads, we lose. Tails, we lose.

The Stupid Party™ strikes again.

sauldalinsky on June 13, 2013 at 2:48 PM

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