Pelosi on Gosnell, late-term abortion, and faith: This is sacred ground to me

posted at 3:21 pm on June 13, 2013 by Allahpundit

An instant classic from John McCormack. John thinks her “sacred ground” comment at the end is a reference to late-term abortion; I think he’s giving her too much credit in assuming that she’s making a coherent, if reprehensible, point. This looks to me like she was caught completely off-guard by the question and was scrambling to get away from it, which is surprising given that just yesterday a House committee approved Trent Franks’s bill banning most abortions nationwide after 22 weeks. Last month Pelosi called the facts of the Gosnell case “really disgusting” while remaining vague about precisely which parts of it disgusted her and which parts were kinda sorta acceptable. Was it the filthy conditions at Gosnell’s clinic that endangered his patients’ health that appalled her, or was it Gosnell slicing the spines of live-born babies and then dumping the remains into shoeboxes and toilets? The ideal answer is “both.” Is that Pelosi’s answer?

Watch the clip. If what Gosnell did to late-term fetuses was so disgusting, why isn’t a ban on abortion after 22 weeks okay? An honest answer would be that she has no real objection to what he did to the babies, only to the unsanitary way in which he practiced. A slightly more politic answer would be that she objects to killing the babies if they somehow emerge alive after the initial abortion attempt, but that would open up a can of worms — why is death in the womb by poison okay but not death by scalpel 10 minutes and 10 inches of physical space later? If Gosnell had sliced their spines while inside the womb, would that be okay? Why does the method of death change the morality of the act? Is she making some sort of “cruel and unusual punishment” distinction for different forms of infanticide? Pelosi doesn’t want to have to deal with any of that, and she really doesn’t want to see headlines tomorrow with her name and Gosnell’s side by side, so here she is running away from the question as fast as she can. The bit about “sacred ground” at the end, I think, isn’t a specific reference to anything; it’s just her way of invoking her faith vis-a-vis life issues so that she can claim the question is offensive to her religion or something and therefore she doesn’t have to answer. She’s dodging by any means necessary because, unlike all but the most hardcore abortion warriors, she won’t defend her policy preference here honestly and without euphemisms.

Exit question for Pelosi-watchers: Is there any policy subject on which she thinks the Democratic agenda conflicts with Catholic teachings? It’d be one thing if she said yeah, there’s tension on some issues, but as a public servant she needs to do what she thinks is best for the country rather than what her faith says. But the “sacred ground” bit at the end here does, a la McCormack, carry a hint that it’s somehow offensive to her as a Catholic to ask her to back a bill that bans late-term abortion(!). Nor is that the first time that she’s invoked the Church as a defense to a policy that the Church itself opposes. When the contraception mandate from HHS came down, she emphasized that she was sticking with her fellow Catholics in supporting it, the view of the Church’s hierarchy notwithstanding, and dismissed the lawsuits by a group of U.S. Catholic bishops as being not really important because, after all, the Pope hasn’t spoken ex cathedra on the subject. If she wants to jettison her religion in crafting policy, it’s fine by this atheist, but then let’s lay off the “sacred ground” garbage, okay?

Update: People on Twitter are asking a good question: Why is there so much laughter from the press corps after Pelosi dodges McCormack by accusing him of having an agenda?

Update: Commenter “RadClown” says this is basically the “Chewbacca defense” to late-term abortion. Bingo.


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WHEN WILL THE CATHOLIC CHURCH EXCOMMUNICATE THIS HEATHEN SUCCUBUS???? (dingbat pelosi = aka “satan’s concubine” and aka “kermit gosnell in drag”.)

TeaPartyNation on June 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

“I don’t think it should have anything to do with politics.”

Then get politics out of it. Or. Sit down and shut the ____ up!

Bmore on June 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

High Priestess of Molech.

CurtZHP on June 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Spoken like a true Auschwitz prison guard.

acyl72 on June 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

it takes a pretty strange personality to align with Nancy Pelosi, she has no morals at all

DanMan on June 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

It’d be one thing if she said yeah, there’s tension on some issues, but as a public servant she needs to do what she thinks is best for the country rather than what her faith says.

If she really believed in her religion such a conflict would be impssible.

tommyboy on June 13, 2013 at 3:26 PM

In related news, Charles Manson responded:

“That homicidal be-yatch is crazy!”

viking01 on June 13, 2013 at 3:27 PM

If she wants to jettison her religion in crafting policy, it’s fine by this atheist, but then let’s lay off the “sacred ground” garbage, okay?

She’s not jettisoning her religion, she’s revealing her true religion: Liberalism.

nobar on June 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Update: People on Twitter are asking a good question: Why is there so much laughter from the press corps after Pelosi dodges McCormack by accusing him of having an agenda?

Because they’re in on the joke Pelosi’s agenda.

RickB on June 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

The leadership of the democrat party are evil.

jukin3 on June 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Last month Pelosi called the facts of the Gosnell case “really disgusting” while remaining vague about precisely which parts of it disgusted her and which parts were kinda sorta acceptable. Was it the filthy conditions at Gosnell’s clinic that endangered his patients’ health that appalled her, or was it Gosnell slicing the spines of live-born babies and then dumping the remains into shoeboxes and toilets? The ideal answer is “both.” Is that Pelosi’s answer?

I believe the real answer is that Pelosi has no problem with what Gosnell was doing. Just like the Dems have no problem with what the IRS did. But she can’t go out there and act like it’s kosher when the vast majority of Americans(at least the ones who heard about the trial) were repulsed by what had happened. So she offers a token “really disgusting” remark without getting into specifics or relating it to the abortion debate at large.

Doughboy on June 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I love how libs like to say Sarah Palin & GWB are sooooo stupid!! Look at what they have!! Pelosi, Biden, Reid and yes, OBAMA!! I love to point them all out to them too!! You wouldn’t believe the pass Uncle Joe gets with liberals I know. It is moronic beyond belief!

JAM on June 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Pelosi is more of an asset than a danger to conservatives.

She is always good for a crazy ass headline or two…

William Eaton on June 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Why is there so much laughter from the press corps after Pelosi dodges McCormack by accusing him of having an agenda?

because she said what the press corpse wanted to say ?

burrata on June 13, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Methinks, Maerose Prizzi is confusing the Dome of St Peter’s with the dome of the Capitol, which is understandable since her real religion is ‘Government,’ not Catholicism.

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I think he’s giving her too much credit in assuming that she’s making a coherent, if reprehensible, point.

I think it’s Pelosi’s version of the Chewbacca defense.

RadClown on June 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

In 1930s Germany Pelosi would pretty much be saying “we need to build more showers and fire up more ovens… for their own good.”

viking01 on June 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

If you follow her argument, Pelosi is saying the right to have an abortion is sacred ground to her.

The only thing she said that was really silly was the idea of getting the politics out of this issue. You can’t even get the politics out of what side an egg should be broken on if the issue has become politicized. Politics is only escapable when there is apathy. My guess is that there will not be apathy about abortion in the next decade, but I could be wrong.

thuja on June 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

I often wonder if it’s to late to abort her.

savage24 on June 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

This is the kind of thing that comes up when my Catholic buddy and I talk religion and the Catholic Church.

That Pelosi and other Dems who stand by abortion and so many other un-Catholic practices are not excommunicated, shunned, refused communion, etc, I’ll never understand. The Catholic Church instead seems content to shrug and let them stand out there, actively working *against* what the Catholic Church says it is all about and actively doing evil in the Church’s eye, and they do… nothing.

Like it or no, it reflects very, very poorly on the CC.

Midas on June 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

I love how libs like to say Sarah Palin & GWB are sooooo stupid!! Look at what they have!! Pelosi, Biden, Reid and yes, OBAMA!! I love to point them all out to them too!! You wouldn’t believe the pass Uncle Joe gets with liberals I know. It is moronic beyond belief!

JAM on June 13, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Add Mary Landrieu to your list. Not only does she believe that the border fence for which she voted is ‘dumb,’ ‘The Louisiana Purchase’ also believes that South Dakota is a border state.

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

OT – please get rid of the dummy.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

High Priestess of Molech.

CurtZHP on June 13, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Yep, even more than Armin & thuja

22044 on June 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Bill Maher: ‘Awful, Ghastly, Horrible Liberal’

In all honestly, I think Maher hates him because ‘the ret@rd should have been aborted.’

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

I need to not comment on this or I most likely will get the big ban stick. Needless to say, God has the final word on all of this.

Johnnyreb on June 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

I’m sure abortion is sacred to Empress Pelosi, just as human sacrifice was sacred to the Aztecs.

rbj on June 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Pelosi needs an exorcism, not excommunication.
God will have the final word on that blinking, botoxed, beyotch.

justltl on June 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Add Mary Landrieu to your list. Not only does she believe that the border fence for which she voted is ‘dumb,’ ‘The Louisiana Purchase’ also believes that South Dakota is a border state.

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

OT – please get rid of the dummy.

Schadenfreude on June 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

There was no mistake there. They want North Dakota to be sealed away.

nobar on June 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Sacrificing babies to Moloch mad the sacrificial ground sacred. Nothing new here.

29Victor on June 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM

“I don’t think it should have anything to do with politics.”

But I certainly intend to use abortion rights as a club to beat my political adversaries every day.

antipc on June 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

O.K., so we’re all in agreement this woman’s brain has
been soaking in Formaldehyde for some time now??

ToddPA on June 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Ed, why does excommunication exist if not for people like Pelosi?

29Victor on June 13, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Like it or no, it reflects very, very poorly on the CC.

Midas on June 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Let us draw the line there, shall we?

I have not too much use for the CC but they can’t be stuck with this tar baby.

Here I go defending them…ugh.

I made friends with a monk in another country and he offered to pay me back for a small thing i did. So, if I am elected POTUS, she is going on a “fact finding” trip to this guy’s place where she can truly contemplate Catholicism, along with her husband. I would sequester her in her God awful hotel but I have a conscience and a sense of budget.

While she is away, I will divide up her long range, primo jet time among HA people on a raffle basis.

Thanks for your support.

IlikedAUH2O on June 13, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Not so sacred for the slaughtered unborn, apparently.

mrsknightley on June 13, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Like every other issue, we’re all mad and foaming at the mouth and the electorate sides with the Dems.

We keep waiting for the electorate to “wake up”, but what if they’re already awake? What if this is what they want?

That’s what I find truly terrifying about 2012.

happytobehere on June 13, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Speaking of Obama’s botox-mommy ‘s religion , check this out :
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/obama-includes-evangelical-christians-on-list-of-religious-extremists/
Go through this list one by one, carefully, keeping in mind Hussein wants to stop terrorist attacks by NOT surveilling jihady clearinghouses a k a mosks .

burrata on June 13, 2013 at 3:44 PM

There is no way this woman is capable of feeding, or wiping, herself.

cajunpatriot on June 13, 2013 at 3:45 PM

There is no way this woman is capable of feeding, or wiping, herself.
cajunpatriot on June 13, 2013 at 3:45 PM

But is she a viable fetus?

happytobehere on June 13, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Last month Pelosi called the facts of the Gosnell case “really disgusting” while remaining vague about precisely which parts of it disgusted her and which parts were kinda sorta acceptable.

LOL

She’s such a lowlife witch.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 13, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Way to get up on the big board, RadClown.

John the Libertarian on June 13, 2013 at 3:47 PM

How can the Catholic church all this woman to continue to receive communion, when she equates late term abortion to a holy sacrament?

I’m not Catholic, just a question from a Reformed Presbyterian.

simkeith on June 13, 2013 at 3:48 PM

If ever there was an example of the definition of “scandal” is in the CCC, she is one.

The fact that the USCCB hasn’t excommunicated her annoys me. Pope Francis spoke on such things when he was a Cardinal.

Spade on June 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM

I’m not Catholic, just a question from a Reformed Presbyterian.

simkeith on June 13, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Is there any other kind of Presbyterian? I mean what with it being a reformed faith and all.

As to Pelosi, I’m surprised she didn’t spontaneously burst into flames when she attended the Papal installation in Rome.

Happy Nomad on June 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM

But it is politics that gives life to the question on legalized death.

ChooseLife on June 13, 2013 at 3:53 PM

I’ve heard her spout about being a mother and grandmother many times.The only babies she cares about are her own.She is the poster girl of abortion.

docflash on June 13, 2013 at 3:53 PM

The only thing that Pelosi and Catholicism have in common is that they both start with the letter “C”.

justltl on June 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Not so sacred for the slaughtered unborn, apparently.

mrsknightley on June 13, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Hey! Remember. Planned Parenthood is doing God’s work.

Happy Nomad on June 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM

simkeith: Because the USCCB has for years been made up of wishy washy politicians more interested in getting in the papers or invited to nice things than they are about properly catechising their flock.

As a former “ethnic catholic” turning “trad catholic” (EF mass in the best mass) I can say that the recent (20+ years) leadership of the US Catholic Church sucks.

On the plus side, the traditional movement is growing and the boomers that tried to ruin the church are dying off.

Spade on June 13, 2013 at 3:55 PM

Yep, even more than Armin & thuja

22044 on June 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

They’re her altar boys.

CurtZHP on June 13, 2013 at 3:56 PM

WHEN WILL THE CATHOLIC CHURCH EXCOMMUNICATE THIS HEATHEN SUCCUBUS???? (dingbat pelosi = aka “satan’s concubine” and aka “kermit gosnell in drag”.)

TeaPartyNation on June 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

She has excommunicated herself by her actions, and every time she receives communion she is receiving eternal condemnation, by receiving it unworthily.

Ward Cleaver on June 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

TeaPartyNation on June 13, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Bishop! … of Rome.

gh on June 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

I’ve heard her spout about being a mother and grandmother many times.The only babies she cares about are her own.She is the poster girl of abortion.

docflash on June 13, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Fellow “Catholic” Kathleen Sebelius is also a mother yet she was out there putting her thumb down on sparing the life of a 10-year-old like some sort of modern day Caligula. I know what a big deal it is to the Catholic faith to excommunicate somebody but come on! These people are evil and would deserve to be among the non-elect.

Happy Nomad on June 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

There was no mistake there. They want North Dakota to be sealed away.

nobar on June 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM

That still wouldn’t make South Dakota share a border with Canada, as Landrieu said.

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Last month Pelosi called the facts of the Gosnell case “really disgusting” while remaining vague about precisely which parts of it disgusted her and which parts were kinda sorta acceptable.

She thinks it’s “really disgusting” that he was caught.

Ward Cleaver on June 13, 2013 at 3:59 PM

This woman removes all existing doubt that botox destroys braincells.

PJ Emeritus on June 13, 2013 at 3:59 PM

That still wouldn’t make South Dakota share a border with Canada, as Landrieu said.

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Perhaps sealing was the wrong word, more like give to Canada.

nobar on June 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

How can the Catholic church all this woman to continue to receive communion, when she equates late term abortion to a holy sacrament?

I’m not Catholic, just a question from a Reformed Presbyterian.

I’m curious. Does she actually attend worship services anywhere and receive communion? Is there any evidence?

I always thought of her as a nominal Catholic only to get the vote of other nominal Catholics.

I know for sure she only worships at the altar of secular BigGov, her true religion.

hawkeye54 on June 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM

I’m curious. Does she actually attend worship services anywhere and receive communion? Is there any evidence?

I always thought of her as a nominal Catholic only to get the vote of other nominal Catholics.

I know for sure she only worships at the altar of secular BigGov, her true religion.

hawkeye54 on June 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM

I don’t know, but every priest has the right to refuse to give communion to anyone who is publicly in a state of mortal sin. If she’s receiving unworthily, she’s incurring eternal condemnation.

Ward Cleaver on June 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

How can the Catholic church all this woman to continue to receive communion, when she equates late term abortion to a holy sacrament?
I’m not Catholic, just a question from a Reformed Presbyterian.
simkeith on June 13, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Probably because most Catholics are pro-abortion. Catholicism is more about a kind of ethnic, tribal thing than faith.

There are some “Catholics” that are pro-life, but not enough to do anything substantive about it. They vote democrat and invite Obama to come commemorate their most famous American university’s graduation.

I’m pro-life, I think abortion is murder, but I’ve never done anything to stop abortion. I’ve never done anything to stop murders either, come to think of it.

It would be super awesome if they kicked the abortionists out of the Catholic Church. I highly doubt it will happen though… There’s simply far too much money that would be lost.

happytobehere on June 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

The only thing that Pelosi and Catholicism have in common is that they both start with the letter “C”.

justltl on June 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Indeed.

AesopFan on June 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Is there any other kind of Presbyterian? I mean what with it being a reformed faith and all.

As to Pelosi, I’m surprised she didn’t spontaneously burst into flames when she attended the Papal installation in Rome.

Happy Nomad on June 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM

No sir, the churches associated with PCUSA are decidedly liberal. The General Assembly of that church has divested in Israel, supports gay marriage, engages in liberation theology and has rewritten the bible with a politically correct slant. I belong to a church that belongs to Presbyterian Church in America, a decidedly conservative church which has rejected the revisionist teachings of PCUSA.

I wrote about it a couple years ago on my little blog,

simkeith on June 13, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Seems that the “party of science” doesn’t get that a fetus is a genetically unique individual nor do they seem to understand the function of the placenta-the fetus is NOT “part of” the mother’s body.

Maybe the Muslim fanatics are right-this is indeed a sick, God-less country. How did we allow this abortion monstrosity to be legitimized and embedded in the fabric of our society as some sort of Constitutional right? How did we end up with a president who views having babies as a punishment?

Our day of reckoning is coming I believe.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 13, 2013 at 4:07 PM

What we are witnessing is the effect of an environment that rewards corrupted spirits and places no restraints on them. This woman’s eternity is going to be bitter.

Cleombrotus on June 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Is there any other kind of Presbyterian? I mean what with it being a reformed faith and all.

As to Pelosi, I’m surprised she didn’t spontaneously burst into flames when she attended the Papal installation in Rome.

Happy Nomad on June 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Francis apparently does exorcisms.. so a missed opportunity, I guess.

I’m curious. Does she actually attend worship services anywhere and receive communion? Is there any evidence?

She did go with Uncle Joe to the Installation Mass in Rome and apparently received Communion.

Illinidiva on June 13, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Is there any policy subject on which she thinks the Democratic agenda conflicts with Catholic teachings?

The other obvious “sacred ground” policy subject where the Catholic Church would have more than a quibble with Nancy Pelosi with is gay marriage.

wren on June 13, 2013 at 4:09 PM

every time she receives communion she is receiving eternal condemnation, by receiving it unworthily.

Ward Cleaver on June 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Yeah, but what about the priest presenting the Corpus Christi to her?

29Victor on June 13, 2013 at 4:13 PM

An instant classic from John McCormack. John thinks her “sacred ground” comment at the end is a reference to late-term abortion; I think he’s giving her too much credit in assuming that she’s making a coherent, if reprehensible, point.

Oh, I fully believe it was unintentional truth, but abortion is definitely sacred to Pelosi, in a way that her Catholicism is not.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 13, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Our day of reckoning is coming I believe.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 13, 2013 at 4:07 PM

If Jeremiah, as a parallel, is any indication, the Muslims might just be filling the role of the Babylonians in a modern day Western scenario. The parallels are too consistent to dismiss.

Cleombrotus on June 13, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Way to bury the lede here, AP: A Republican-supported bill is trying to usurp what little wiggle room the states have left on abortion policy. Why should the federal government be in the business of forbidding states from allowing abortions after a certain point? Why shouldn’t the states be able to determine that policy for themselves?

Armin Tamzarian on June 13, 2013 at 4:14 PM

This woman’s eternity is going to be bitter.

And she is, as so many are, completely oblivious to it. I can only conclude she has come to believe that there is no eternity for her after death, blinded by selling her soul to the Darkness for power and treasures on earth here and now.

hawkeye54 on June 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Probably because most Catholics are pro-abortion. Catholicism is more about a kind of ethnic, tribal thing than faith.

There are some “Catholics” that are pro-life, but not enough to do anything substantive about it. They vote democrat and invite Obama to come commemorate their most famous American university’s graduation.

I’m pro-life, I think abortion is murder, but I’ve never done anything to stop abortion. I’ve never done anything to stop murders either, come to think of it.

It would be super awesome if they kicked the abortionists out of the Catholic Church. I highly doubt it will happen though… There’s simply far too much money that would be lost.

happytobehere on June 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Actually, opposition to abortion is a biggie for Catholics. Even many pro-choice Catholics will qualify by saying that they personally oppose abortion, but don’t want to force their beliefs on others. What is odd about Pelosi is that she cannot even add the qualifier.

And if the Church started kicking people who disagreed with it out, there would be no one left. Most Catholics just ignore the Church’s teachings on birth control.

Illinidiva on June 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

The “really disgusting” part of Gosnell trial for Pelosi was the negative press the abortion industry got and how it galvanized those who oppose abortion. The “sacred ground” is murdering innocent people for tons of cash.

johnnybgood on June 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Probably because most Catholics are pro-abortion. Catholicism is more about a kind of ethnic, tribal thing than faith.

happytobehere on June 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Sad but, to a large extent, true. One of my best friends is Catholic, after the first time Obama was elected president his priest told him “We need to get more Catholics voting.” He told his priest “Father, did you look at the exit polls? If anything we need less Catholics to vote.”

29Victor on June 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM

And if the Church started kicking people who disagreed with it out, there would be no one left. Most Catholics just ignore the Church’s teachings on birth control.

Illinidiva on June 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Pelosi and her ilk don’t just ignore church teachings, they actively promote abortion, they get the government to pay for it and are forcing Catholic business-owners to pay for it.

29Victor on June 13, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Oh, I fully believe it was unintentional truth, but abortion is definitely sacred to Pelosi, in a way that her Catholicism is not.
There Goes the Neighborhood on June 13, 2013 at 4:14 PM

I’d reckon pelosi doesn’t care much about abortion and just loves getting elected and being seen to “do stuff” for women and whoever. Being called a catholic helps her get elected by all the other stupid dem Catholics. They all love this stuff. Bunch of racist, tribalist nonsense.

happytobehere on June 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

No sir, the churches associated with PCUSA are decidedly liberal.

simkeith on June 13, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Had a Presbyterian friend, since passed, who would tell people “I’m a Presbyterian…the GOOD kind, not PCUSA.”

29Victor on June 13, 2013 at 4:20 PM

every time she receives communion she is receiving eternal condemnation, by receiving it unworthily.

Ward Cleaver on June 13, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Yeah, but what about the priest presenting the Corpus Christi to her?

There are those who have infiltrated the church, as well as other denominations, who have turned away from the principles of the Gospel, using their positions in the churches for preaching and practicing marxist social justice instead.

hawkeye54 on June 13, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Way to bury the lede here, AP: A Republican-supported bill is trying to usurp what little wiggle room the states have left on abortion policy. Why should the federal government be in the business of forbidding states from allowing abortions after a certain point? Why shouldn’t the states be able to determine that policy for themselves?

Armin Tamzarian on June 13, 2013 at 4:14 PM

So you would be fine with states outlawing it after 10 weeks. That is the limit in Italy.

And she is, as so many are, completely oblivious to it. I can only conclude she has come to believe that there is no eternity for her after death, blinded by selling her soul to the Darkness for power and treasures on earth here and now.

hawkeye54 on June 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

I think that one has to do quite a bit more than what Pelosi does to end up in Hell.

Illinidiva on June 13, 2013 at 4:21 PM

The “really disgusting” part of Gosnell trial for Pelosi was the negative press the abortion industry got and how it galvanized those who oppose abortion.
johnnybgood on June 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Galvanized? Seriously? Nothing has been done to stop late term abortions since Gosnell. The only thing this episode did is galvanize support for better janitorial service in abortion mills.

happytobehere on June 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Oh if only I had a real laser brain gun it would be pointed right at Pelosi’s vacant eyes. As a Catholic I am ashamed that this she-hag hasn’t been excommunicated.

neyney on June 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Catholicism is more about a kind of ethnic, tribal thing than faith.

happytobehere on June 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM

I can tell you it certainly is for my family. Spent 3 hours talking to my dying uncle about Christ and salvation, never mentioning the Catholic Church. At the end he blurts out, “I don’t care what you say, I’m not leaving the Catholic Church!” He couldn’t get it even then.

Cleombrotus on June 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Burn hag, burn.

M240H on June 13, 2013 at 4:24 PM

I think that one has to do quite a bit more than what Pelosi does to end up in Hell.

Illinidiva on June 13, 2013 at 4:21 PM

You think Hell is a PLACE?

Cleombrotus on June 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM

All this analysis of what she’s saying gives her way too much credit. I think she’s completely incoherent. Her mind is gone.

TarheelBen on June 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Cleombrotus on June 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Don’t count them all out. The trad Catholics and converts get it. They’re a pretty small percentage, but growing.

happytobehere on June 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

You think Hell is a PLACE?

Cleombrotus on June 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Well.. It is a state or something. I certainly don’t think that Osama Bin Laden is currently in Paradise.

Illinidiva on June 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

All this analysis of what she’s saying gives her way too much credit. I think she’s completely incoherent. Her mind is gone.
TarheelBen on June 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM

She should always be holding that giant gavel. Somehow it fits with the nuttiness.

happytobehere on June 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM

happytobehere on June 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Oh no, I don’t count them all out. I think there are many sincere and firm believers in Christ in that organization but they are shortchanging themselves by adherence to an organization.

Cleombrotus on June 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM

I can tell you it certainly is for my family. Spent 3 hours talking to my dying uncle about Christ and salvation, never mentioning the Catholic Church. At the end he blurts out, “I don’t care what you say, I’m not leaving the Catholic Church!” He couldn’t get it even then.

Cleombrotus on June 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I prefer the Catholic position on Salvation.. i.e. it is partly through “good works.”

Illinidiva on June 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM

I’m curious. Does she actually attend worship services anywhere and receive communion? Is there any evidence?
I always thought of her as a nominal Catholic only to get the vote of other nominal Catholics.

I know for sure she only worships at the altar of secular BigGov, her true religion.

hawkeye54 on June 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM

In 2008, Archbishop George H. Niederauer of San Francisco confirmed that Nancy Pelosi is a member of St. Vincent de Paul Parish in San Francisco.

Though critical of Pelosi’s statements and stands on abortion and other life issues, Archbishop Niederauer described the member of St. Vincent de Paul Parish in San Francisco as “a gifted, dedicated and accomplished public servant” who “has stated often her love for her faith and for the Catholic Church.”

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0804540.htm

Nancy Pelosi also attended Catholic Schools including:

High School: Institute of Notre Dame, Baltimore, MD
University: BA, Trinity Washington University (1962)

wren on June 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

I think she’s completely incoherent. Her mind is gone.

Let this be a warning to all…..Botox treatment and liberalism will severely damage or destroy your brain when taken together.

hawkeye54 on June 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

If she wants to jettison her religion in crafting policy, it’s fine by this atheist, but then let’s lay off the “sacred ground” garbage, okay?

You need to wake up, AP.

“A nation that kills its own children is a nation without hope.” ~Blessed John Paul II.

One look around and it is clear he was right. We are a doomed people. The warning in Romans 1 is nearing complete fulfillment with the rapid embrace of homosexuality, so I think it is nearly too late, if not already there. Our Founding Fathers made a sort of covenant with God when they declared, “Looking to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions…with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.” Yet we have rejected the Supreme Judge and His laws just as the people in Juda to whom Jeremiah prophesied…

Wherefore thus saith the Lord: Behold I will bring in evils upon them, which they shall not be able to escape: and they shall cry to me, and I will not hearken to them. [12] And the cities of Juda, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall go, and cry to the gods to whom they offer sacrifice, and they shall not save them in the time of their affliction. [13] For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, O Juda: and according to the number of the streets of Jerusalem thou hast set up altars of confusion, altars to offer sacrifice to Baalim. [14] Therefore, do not thou pray for this people, and do not take up praise and prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time of their cry to me, in the time of their affliction. Jeremiah 11.

The only question I have is how long will the chastisement take to build up to full force, because I have no doubt that it has begun, clearly from one look at the Drudge Report. Open your eyes atheists and secularists. It’s coming whether you would believe or not.

Please hear my prayer, God, and have mercy, especially on my children.

pannw on June 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

I think she’s completely incoherent. Her mind is gone.

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And she’ll be comfortably re-elected in her demented,leftist congressional district.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on June 13, 2013 at 4:36 PM

What moral philosophy can be learned from a woman that marches with NAMBLA?

Pelosi is a sick pervert that cares NOTHING about children!

Freddy on June 13, 2013 at 4:37 PM

I think she’s completely incoherent. Her mind is gone.

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And she’ll be comfortably re-elected in her demented,leftist congressional district.

Quite so. The minds of those who keep reelecting her have gone too. In some cases those minds never arrived.

hawkeye54 on June 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Why should the federal government be in the business of forbidding states from allowing abortions after a certain point? Why shouldn’t the states be able to determine that policy for themselves?

Armin Tamzarian on June 13, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Google Kermit Gosnell and get back to us after seeing what the state did there Sport.

Shared responsibility is no responsibility. If the states are unable to outlaw abortions then the feds are in the business of protecting the unborn life from the talons of whores like Pelosi.

Happy Nomad on June 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Oh no, I don’t count them all out. I think there are many sincere and firm believers in Christ in that organization but they are shortchanging themselves by adherence to an organization.

Cleombrotus on June 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Oh.. If your church want the traditionalist Catholic types, they can have them. But just be prepared to learn that they are more Christian than Jesus.

Illinidiva on June 13, 2013 at 4:40 PM

I prefer the Catholic position on Salvation.. i.e. it is partly through “good works.”

Illinidiva on June 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Yeah, I know what you mean. I grew up thinking the same thing. Kind of frustrating, really, though, when you see your real self continuing to corrupt despite your best efforts to be a good person and it becoming harder and harder to be the kind of person you know you should be, you know?

Cleombrotus on June 13, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Bill Maher: ‘Awful, Ghastly, Horrible Liberal’

In all honestly, I think Maher hates him because ‘the ret@rd should have been aborted.’

Resist We Much on June 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

From your link:

Anyone else remember when Rush Limbaugh called President Clinton’s daughter Chelsea a dog?

It’s amazing how many people remember this, when it never actually happened. Oh, there were people calling Chelsea Clinton a dog, all right, but it wasn’t Rush Limbaugh.

SNL, on the other hand, was brutal to Chelsea Clinton. Amazing how no one seems to remember that.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 13, 2013 at 4:48 PM

At about 22 weeks, the baby can be safely delivered, NICUed, and become someone else’s “problem,” if the mother doesn’t want the kid. An abortion this late, as a matter of fact, is less safe than the emergency C-section that would happen at the same stage of pregnancy, were there a real medical threat and the baby was wanted.

Why do liberal politicians fight for abortions this late? Why has this become Pelosi’s “sacred ground?”

Sekhmet on June 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM

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