Schumer to Cornyn: Democrats will not accept your border-security amendment

posted at 2:41 pm on June 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

Second look at John Cornyn?

No, I kid. This is, I assume, a little Chuck Schumer-style kabuki with Cornyn’s full, knowing participation.

“We cannot accept the Cornyn amendment,” Schumer said. “I’ve told John that already. The way it would change the triggers would jeopardize the path to citizenship. You should tell the people you’re lobbying that that is not going to happen. There may be other amendments dealing with the border that we can accept but not that one.”

The source close to Schumer adds, “Schumer likes Cornyn a lot personally, but he spent the first two years after President Obama’s election in 2008 trying to work with Cornyn on an immigration reform bill. He’s impossible to get to ‘yes’ on this issue.”

On the Senate floor Monday night, Schumer told Cornyn “you know full well that [your amendment is] a deal killer,” and that other Republicans are kicking around border security ideas that might ultimately be amenable to Democrats. But because Democrats don’t consider Cornyn’s vote gettable, there have been no staff- or member-level discussions since then.

Harry Reid also called Cornyn’s amendment a “poison pill” because it would require DHS to hit specific security targets before the second stage of the legalization process, i.e. making illegals eligible for green cards (after a waiting period), is triggered. Democrats aren’t terribly concerned about that second stage, though; it’s the first stage, in which illegals get probationary legal status, that’s crucial to them because it grants illegals a right to remain in the U.S. that, realistically, will never be rescinded regardless of what happens with border security. You know how Rubio likes to say that we have “de facto amnesty” now? Well, the first stage of legalization is a de facto green card. Citizenship will inevitably follow later, border security or not, because Republicans will fear the wrath of Latino voters if they oppose it. Obviously the Dems want the second stage to begin as soon as possible, but if there’s no way to get this bill through the House without caving on Cornyn’s amendment, they’ll suck it up and do it. By making a stink now, they’re trying to get Cornyn to soften his requirements a bit. Once he does, they’ll accept the amendment as a “tough but fair” compromise or whatever to make conservative border hawks think they’ve won some huge concession.

The Daily Caller suspects the same thing:

The amendment is “just political theater to provide cover for Republican congressmen who want to give the plutocracy what it wants… lowered wages and a morally righteous feeling,” Mark Krikorian, director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a research nonprofit that advocates reduction of both legal and illegal immigration, told The Daily Caller…

“Contrary to what is being said, it is not a poison pill,” Republican Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona told The Daily Caller.

“There are a couple of points that are tough, but we’re working on it,” said Flake, who is one of the four GOP senators in the Gang of Eight, which is led by Sen. Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat.

“We want to modify it … [and Cornyn] is trying to work on something that improves the bill,” Flake told TheDC a few minutes after McConnell, Cornyn and Reid spoke with reporters. “If he gets his amendment as it stands, he’ll work for the bill. and hopefully we can modify it [and] everybody can vote for it.”

Guy Benson heard from his sources on the Hill last week that Schumer was inclined to support Cornyn’s amendment. You can, therefore, read the “poison pill” nonsense coming from Schumer and Reid lately in one of two ways. Either Democrats (or liberal amnesty shills in their base) are grumpy about having to make a flashy concession to Republicans on the border so soon into the process, which in turn means Schumer has to put up at least the pretense of a fuss in getting Cornyn’s amendment watered down a bit. Or this is standard Democratic “Gang of Eight” kabuki insofar as it’s aimed at convincing conservatives that they’re getting the better of Reid and Schumer somehow if/when the Democrats cave and agree to add Cornyn’s amendment to the bill. The same strategy is at work, I take it, in Pat Leahy’s decision to reintroduce his own amendment extending benefits in the bill to the spouses of gay illegals. It’s going to fail somehow, even if Republicans end up having to kill it by filibustering it, but that’s just fine to Schumer and Reid. It amounts to another conservative “win,” which makes the bill more tolerable to the righties who could conceivably kill it, and it gives Democrats a talking point to use against the GOP even if the bill ultimately passes. (“We wanted to include gay spouses but those hateful Republicans blocked us.”) Exit quotation from the mastermind himself, looking ahead to his big win: “Illegal immigration will be a thing of the past.”

Update: Surprise.

Cornyn discussed details of the amendment at a Republican senators’ lunch yesterday. The provisions were well received by all the GOP lawmakers, with the exception of Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Republican member of the Gang of Eight who has publicly expressed opposition to adding triggers that would cause Democrats to abandon the immigration deal. The question now is whether Republican senators, with the exception of Graham, will unite behind the bill. Even more crucial is the question of whether Sen. Marco Rubio, the leading Republican on the Gang and the one lawmaker many GOP senators look to for direction on this issue, will support the amendment.


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God damn the two in the picture and all who’re for amnesty, you traitors.

Rubio invoked God for amnesty – he should run for pope, the traitor of the USA and of the TEA party.

Be schumered, fooles.

On 6/15 a black group will march on DC. They claim that amnesty will displace lots of blacks in lower and advancement/better opportunity jobs.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Republican member of the Gang of Eight who has publicly expressed opposition to adding triggers that would cause Democrats to abandon the immigration deal.

Ms. Lindsey Graham-nasty is creepier than Obama. Yes, I can’t believe that this was possible.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Boehner will ultimately sell the land.

May God strike all the traitors.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 2:46 PM

C’mon Marco! Obama’s approval rating is down to 45%. You have to find a way to get this done otherwise Obama’s 2nd term will be a failure.

Wigglesworth on June 12, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Strip more rights away from actual citizens to balance the bill out, then maybe Graham will support the amendment. How about common-sense mandatory quartering of National Security Storm Troopers in any home at any time? Kinda old-timey, but I think it could get Lindsey on board.

forest on June 12, 2013 at 2:47 PM

I hope the lack of border security is a deal killer.

It’s not a deal killer for Patsy Rubio, but it should be for the House.

applebutter on June 12, 2013 at 2:48 PM

This amnesty bill will destroy the USA even more than Obama’care’ already does.

Wake up America. You are being fronted with scandals, so that you can be robbed behind them.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Because even though the NSA collects the data on every communications in America…somehow 11-12 million illegals (Many of them on Welfare) are still living in the shadows…So we have to legalize them so we know who they are…cause It’s really really important or something…

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 2:48 PM

AYNBLAND, you fool, and all who think like you, Ronald Reagan regretted his amnesty bill, to his last conscious day.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 2:49 PM

The American citizen is being assaulted on all sides…when will this nightmare end.

Alinsky on June 12, 2013 at 2:50 PM

On 6/15 a black group will march on DC. They claim that amnesty will displace lots of blacks in lower and advancement/better opportunity jobs.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 2:44 PM

SCOTUS set to rule on Affirmative Action…

NAACP slow to realize…The Brothers aren’t Amigos anymore than The Anglos are…

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Here Senator Cornyn, let me write your response:

Senator Shumer, Go F*ck yourself.

ToddPA on June 12, 2013 at 2:53 PM

now wait, didn’t they already pass legislation to build a fence? Oh yeah, they did! So why do we have to follow anything passed by congress?

again, “Laws”? What “Laws”? We don’t need no stinkin’ Laws.

kirkill on June 12, 2013 at 2:53 PM

The American citizen is being assaulted on all sides…when will this nightmare end.

Alinsky on June 12, 2013 at 2:50 PM

When the majority wake up, alas.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 2:53 PM

AMNESTY MUST, AND WILL, COME BEFORE SECURITY
-Rubio 2016

El_Terrible on June 12, 2013 at 2:54 PM

The GOP can eat shiite and pound sand if this abomination is allowed through, I’ll never vote GOP on the federal level again if it does.

And woe to the poor sod who calls me up asking for donations for this or that GOP rep during the next election cycle. They better have their thumb on the disconnect button because my language will haunt them for years to come.

Bishop on June 12, 2013 at 2:55 PM

What are the odds that Obama signs an executive order moving up citizenship before 2016, and daring the GOP to oppose it?

El_Terrible on June 12, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Rush was talking about how they’ll pass the Senate bill, pass a totally separate conservative bill in the House, then combine the bills via “Conference”. This way, the leadership in the House can stack the “conference” with RINOs, and they can essentially get a bill passed that is just like the Senate bill. Kabuki!

kirkill on June 12, 2013 at 2:57 PM

The American citizen is being assaulted on all sides…when will this nightmare end.

Alinsky on June 12, 2013 at 2:50 PM

It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere. – Voltaire

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Schumer: Hey Rubio, Graham, McCain, Cornyn we have “inadvertantly” uncovered some “embarassing” stuff about your tax returns and your love of sheep and gerbils. It would be simply AWFUL if it were to be made public, now wouldn’t it?” “So ready to sign off on the amnesty bill?”

RINOs: Where do we sign?

neyney on June 12, 2013 at 3:00 PM

The gang Of Eight is actually Eight sacks of $H!T. These turds couldn’t give a rats ass about accelerating the destruction of the USA if it increased their political power.

hamradio on June 12, 2013 at 3:00 PM

All kabuki. Boehner saying the Senate bill is DOA, Reid saying the Cornyn amendment is a poison pill, Schumer saying it’s a deal killer, Rubio saying he will walk away if he doesn’t get more border security. It’s just a way to make all the RINOs say “Oh if the dems hate it so much then I think I can vote for it now.” The only way this would be a real compromise is if it peeled off 3 or 4 of the most liberal Senators while adding 10+ Republicans to the mix.

Not to long after Ayotte came out of the closet as an amnesty gal I started seeing internet ads paid for by “Friends of Kelly Ayotte” saying how she is securing the border and “fixing our broken immigration system.”

Wigglesworth on June 12, 2013 at 3:01 PM

What are the odds that Obama signs an executive order moving up citizenship before 2016, and daring the GOP to oppose it?

El_Terrible on June 12, 2013 at 2:56 PM

That’s been the plan all along. Forget the 5 or 10 year citizenship windows, the ‘rats will say “Why are we waiting at all?” and dare the GOP to stand firm.

If the GOP is willing to cave on this there is no way they won’t cave when an immediate granting of citizenship is offered, especially if it takes place before the 2014 election.

Bishop on June 12, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Here Senator Cornyn, let me write your response:

Senator Shumer, Go F*ck yourself.

ToddPA on June 12, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Yeah…Cornyn is busy b*tchslappin Grahamnesty in twitterville.

It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong. – Voltaire

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 3:02 PM

I am afraid Republicans in the end will cave. There will be no border enforcement at all. God Bless America.

ojfltx on June 12, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Photo caption: “Beavis and Butthead”.

Ward Cleaver on June 12, 2013 at 3:04 PM

South Carolina, please primary Lindsey.

rbj on June 12, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Rush was talking about how they’ll pass the Senate bill, pass a totally separate conservative bill in the House, then combine the bills via “Conference”. This way, the leadership in the House can stack the “conference” with RINOs, and they can essentially get a bill passed that is just like the Senate bill. Kabuki!

kirkill on June 12, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Yes, that is Boehner’s plan. When he said the Senate bill is DOA that was just a way to take the heat off his caucus from the conservative base so it will be a little easier to push through amnesty.

Wigglesworth on June 12, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Caption

“My, Rubio fell for me” — Schumer

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Evidently…West Texas is being punished by the Federales cause even though Texas pays more than our fair share in Taxes to the Federales…Once again Texas doesn’t qualify for gettin’ those funds back in disaster relief.

Don’t cave Sen. Cruz and Sen. Cornyn

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 3:06 PM

“Law” just doesn’t mean what it used to. Rubio, just because it’s “the law” what makes you think the current government will enforce it? Unlawful behavior by government officials – elected and appointed – is approved if it punishes political “enemies.”

KCsecurity1976 on June 12, 2013 at 3:07 PM

¡Viva Aztlan!

¡Viva Che!
¡Muerte USA!

LegendHasIt on June 12, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Amnesty will be used in 2014. Hillary will spearhead it.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 3:07 PM

I detest these people.

Carry on.

totherightofthem on June 12, 2013 at 3:08 PM

I say put more poison pills in and KILL it!

D-fusit on June 12, 2013 at 3:08 PM

¡Viva Aztlan!

¡Viva Che!
¡Muerte USA!

LegendHasIt on June 12, 2013 at 3:07 PM

RIP

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 3:08 PM

AMNESTY MUST, AND WILL, COME BEFORE SECURITY
-Rubio 2016

El_Terrible on June 12, 2013 at 2:54 PM

otherwise known as Bite Me Anglo…

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Forget grahamensty

cmsinaz on June 12, 2013 at 3:10 PM

That stupid goofy look on Rubio’s face says it all.

portlandon on June 12, 2013 at 3:10 PM

The gang Of Eight is actually Eight sacks of $H!T. These turds couldn’t give a rats ass about accelerating the destruction of the USA if it increased their political power.

hamradio on June 12, 2013 at 3:00 PM

But but..it’s BIPARTISAN or something so it’s all good.

NJ Red on June 12, 2013 at 3:12 PM

I keep hearing about our “broken immigration system” and how we must “fix” it. Is it the system that is broken or the fact that the federal government doesn’t follow the laws that are already on the books? How do you “fix” something when the executive branch can simply refuse to actually enforce the law? Why should I have any faith that you will enforce new laws when you don’t enforce the existing ones?

iwasbornwithit on June 12, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Amnesty will be used in 2014. Hillary will spearhead it.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 3:07 PM

We’ll see…The Obama Faction (Guelphs) are doin’ everything they can to nuke the Clinton Faction (Ghibellines)

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Why would anyone from either party be against border security? What possible explanation could they give? Under what circumstance should we not be securing our border?

I understand that they will say that the triggers before legalization are too harsh. But we have a border. Why wouldn’t we secure it by default? Why wouldn’t every American Senator, Representative and President of both parties be vigilant about securing our border with or without a bill? To do anything else is to betray your responsibility to your Country and it’s Constitution.

Why is a bill needed in order to do what the rest of the world does with their borders?

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 3:15 PM

The amendment would jeopardize the path to citizenship?! Oh noes!

RDE2010 on June 12, 2013 at 3:19 PM

I keep hearing about our “broken immigration system” and how we must “fix” it. Is it the system that is broken or the fact that the federal government doesn’t follow the laws that are already on the books? How do you “fix” something when the executive branch can simply refuse to actually enforce the law? Why should I have any faith that you will enforce new laws when you don’t enforce the existing ones?

iwasbornwithit on June 12, 2013 at 3:12 PM

It’s both.

The immigration system has been broken for a long time…But Obama’s manipulation of the numbers and his selective political application of the law is unprecedented…But so is the widespread voter ballot fraud…but so is using the agencies of the executive to coerce political opponents/groups…but so is intentional economic targeting of regions and industries…but so is the complicity of the media…but so is the unchecked printing and funneling of money to his friends…but so is the assault on the military…yada yada yada

Soros is good at this kind of chaos…very good…They make a good amoral team.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 3:21 PM

A wide-open Southern Border is as big a threat to the sovereignty of the United States as anything that our enemies can throw at us right now.

Senators, Congressmen…please quit playing political one-up-manship in an effort to seduce those who are here illegally into becoming members of your political party, by bribing them with citizenship. You do a great disservice and hurl an even larger insult to those generations of immigrants who came here legally, and willingly became Americans, embracing our culture and way of life as their own, pledging their loyalty to our flag, and sacrificing their lives for our freedom, as members of our Armed Forces.

SECURE THE BORDER NOW.

DEAL WITH THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THEMSELVES, LATER.

Here’s an idea…how about actually enforcing our existing laws?

kingsjester on June 12, 2013 at 3:21 PM

South Carolina, please primary Lindsey.

rbj on June 12, 2013 at 3:04 PM

We are.

http://www.richard-cash-for-senate.com/

A word from Lindsey Graham’s primary opponent on Rewarding Illegal Immigrants.

backwoods conservative on June 12, 2013 at 3:21 PM

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 3:15 PM

They won’t secure the border but are perfectly fine with spying on US citizens in the name of “keeping us safe.”

iwasbornwithit on June 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM

They promised us the 1986 immigration reform would fix the broken system, secure the border, and prevent future illegal immigration.
So why, 25 years later, do we have the exact same problem they had back then?

lonestar1 on June 12, 2013 at 3:23 PM

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 3:21 PM

What about the system is so broken that it needs comprehensive reform?

iwasbornwithit on June 12, 2013 at 3:24 PM

None of the “security measures” in this bill require actual security measures. There are requirements for plans and strategies and reports and commissions and recommendations, but all of those are either advisory or discretionary.

A LAW was passed in 2006 mandating a long portion of fence on the southern border. Personally, I think it was unwise as fences through desolate areas must be closely patrolled anyway, else they are continually breached; they work best in higher-traffic areas near population centers. BUT it was the law, it was passed. So where is the fence?

Given this, NO promises of security suffice. SECURE THE BORDER FIRST, and then and only then we should consider these legalization and citizenship issues. This is made necessary when the federal government has repeatedly and continually shown its unwillingness and/or inability to close the border over the last 40 years or so.

Adjoran on June 12, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Why would anyone from either party be against border security? What possible explanation could they give? Under what circumstance should we not be securing our border?
oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Let me guess…Because National Sovereignty is an oldthink idea whose time has passed.

This is happening in Europe too…surrender of National Sovereignty to the EU Bureaucracy.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Let’s just open the borders and let anyone in who wants to come. Heck, let’s pay for their airlines tickets so they can get here sooner.

I’m starting to think the whole idea of a few states banding together to create a new country isn’t so far fetched these days. If you could get TX, LA, ID, OK, MS, WY, MT, AL, AR, MO, KS, ND, SD, NE, TN, KY, AK and IN to leave the union and form a new United States, you’d have all the energy and food you’d need, as well as a fairly good manufacturing base. You’d also have the ports necessary to carry on foreign trade. I would have included AZ and SC, but they have to pay a price for electing John McCain and Lindsey Graham to the Senate this many times.

I would never have thought this way even 20 years ago, but this country is broken and shows no sign that it will be fixed any time soon.

ScottiesRule on June 12, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Because even though the NSA collects the data on every communications in America…somehow 11-12 million illegals (Many of them on Welfare) are still living in the shadows…So we have to legalize them so we know who they are…cause It’s really really important or something…

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 2:48 PM

We need to know who they are so that La Raza can justify the many millions of dollars they get in U.S. taxpayer funds to sign up even more illegals . . . er, new green card holders . . . for all those juicy taxpayer-funded benefits to which they are entitled under the new amnesty law.

Did you know Rubio’s amnesty bill explicitly immunizes illegal aliens from criminal prosecution for crimes like identity theft, document fraud, and perjury on U.S. government documents (such as voter applications, welfare applications, Social Security applications, etc.)?

Who ever said crime doesn’t pay? If you’re an illegal alien in the U.S., crime is a no-risk, all-reward proposition.

AZCoyote on June 12, 2013 at 3:28 PM

They won’t secure the border but are perfectly fine with spying on US citizens in the name of “keeping us safe.”

iwasbornwithit on June 12, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Yes. I guess my point is this:

Why is it even plausible that border security be lumped together with “immigration reform”? These are not the same issue.

Even Chuck Schuuuummemrrrrr or Nanzi Phlegoosey wouldn’t get in front of the camera and say: “We will not secure the border. Ever.” But it’s OK to give away years of border security? Why? And “because we choose to bundle the issue” is not in any way logical, plausible or acceptable.

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 3:31 PM

What are the odds that Obama signs an executive order moving up citizenship before 2016, and daring the GOP to oppose it? – El_Terrible

Very good odds. After all, sucker America will be told that to deny these poor striving folks the benefits of this privilege and make them wait is “not who we are”, and sucker hearts will melt.

Yep, the low-life, double crossing con men get to define who we are: essentially a one party country (Democrat) that will look more & more like Mexico.

Chessplayer on June 12, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Schumer to Cornyn: Democrats will not accept your border-security amendment…

…and all the Senate uber RINOs, rubio, mccain, graham, collins, murCOWski, etc. seen vigorously NODDING IN AGREEMENT.

TeaPartyNation on June 12, 2013 at 3:33 PM

It seems like the Republicans are hell bent on their extinction…amnesty will give democrats at least 70% of the 12 plus million new voters..they will be in the permanent majority..if amnesty does somehow pass, then a new party hopefully will emerge..the conservative party

sadsushi on June 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Screw it. Just open the borders and be done with it.

natasha333 on June 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM

We The People totally sold out by the corrupt, power-mad, insane ruling class.

TarheelBen on June 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM

On 6/15 a black group will march on DC. They claim that amnesty will displace lots of blacks in lower and advancement/better opportunity jobs.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Is that June 15 or July 15? I saw a woman on BOR last night, and I thought she said July 15. All the same, I strongly suspect that she voted for Obama, but I couldn’t help thinking that she needs to rally blacks and join Ann Coulter in her current stance of being a one-issue voter: no amnesty. That woman on BOR sounded adamant.

Too bad the GOP is too stupid to have any conservative blacks and Hispanics already lined up to criss-cross the country to make an intelligent economic argument to these groups.

BuckeyeSam on June 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Let me guess…Because National Sovereignty is an oldthink idea whose time has passed.

This is happening in Europe too…surrender of National Sovereignty to the EU Bureaucracy.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Great then. Let’s make this reciprocal. Mexico should have to do the very same thing with their illegal immigrants. And as a US Citizen I should be able to go to Mexico, open a cash business, live in the shadows, own property. etc. I should be able to do that whenever I want, and I should be able to claim amnesty when I want.

Oh. And I should get free health care when I show up at the hospital.

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM

If this is the right thing to do, why isn’t Mexico required to do the same thing?

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM

It seems like the Republicans are hell bent on their extinction…amnesty will give democrats at least 70% of the 12 plus million new voters..they will be in the permanent majority..if amnesty does somehow pass, then a new party hopefully will emerge..the conservative party

sadsushi on June 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM

When all is said it done, there will be many more than 12 million.

TarheelBen on June 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Why would anyone from either party be against border security? What possible explanation could they give? Under what circumstance should we not be securing our border?
oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 3:15 PM

It’s not fair, for one, and for two it makes non-citizens lose their self respect and feel marginalized.

Bishop on June 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM

They promised us the 1986 immigration reform would fix the broken system, secure the border, and prevent future illegal immigration.
So why, 25 years later, do we have the exact same problem they had back then?

lonestar1 on June 12, 2013 at 3:23 PM

To be fair, it’s not exactly the same problem. Today, it’s a much bigger problem.

In 1986, Ted Kennedy (who sponsored the amnesty bill) told Americans that his law would give amnesty to 1.1 to 1.2 million illegal aliens, and no amnesty would ever be necessary — or offered — ever again.

In the 1986 amnesty, the federal government ended up giving amnesty to over 3 million illegal aliens — or more than twice the official estimate. The government estimated that more than 1/3 of the approved amnesty applications were based on fraudulent documents — but said it was powerless to do anything about it.

In the 1986 amnesty, the 3 million+ illegals who were amnestied each ended up bringing into the U.S., on average, three more family members from their home countries, through chain migration.

So the 1986 amnesty, which was supposed to legalize 1.1 to 1.2 million foreigners, instead ended up legalizing more than 12 million (3.1 million amnestied illegal aliens, plus 9 million chain-migrating family members of the amnestied illegal aliens).

Think about those numbers when Rubio tells you there are 11 million illegals here now. Also keep in mind that Rubio’s amnesty bill expands the current definition of “immediate family” for purposes of chain migration, and it imposes absolutely no limits on the numbers of foreigners who can claim the legal right to live in the U.S. either through amnesty or chain migration policies.

AZCoyote on June 12, 2013 at 3:42 PM

sadsushi on June 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM

It’s more like 30 million. You don’t think they’ll flood the border like that scene in World War Z?

Screw it. Just open the borders and be done with it.

natasha333 on June 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM

They’re damn sure putting me and a lot of other folks out of work.

WE HAVE 30 million UNEMPLOYED. Our congress has become a tool of the big companies that want the US pay scale like that of a third world country.

dogsoldier on June 12, 2013 at 3:42 PM

I would have included AZ and SC, but they have to pay a price for electing John McCain and Lindsey Graham to the Senate this many times.

ScottiesRule on June 12, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Graham has been elected to the Senate only twice. Before that he was in the House, where he gained fame and favor in his efforts to impeach Bill Clinton. He was elected to the Senate in 2002 after Strom Thurmond finally retired. His performance in the House gave no hints that would have led me to predict his traitorous performance in the Senate.

Graham caught a break by being up for reelection in 2008. I don’t think he would have fared as well in 2010, after the rise of the Tea Party.

I aim to see him taken down in the 2014 primary. That’s why I’m backing Richard Cash.

backwoods conservative on June 12, 2013 at 3:42 PM

What a damn disgrace they all are……. senators, indeed. Just a bunch of greedy clowns who could give a rat’s hind end about us all.

ultracon on June 12, 2013 at 3:48 PM

It’s more like 30 million. You don’t think they’ll flood the border like that scene in World War Z?

backwoods conservative on June 12, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Oh I know this..I know…they will flood the border and the security won’t be there to stop them

sadsushi on June 12, 2013 at 3:50 PM

with the exception of Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Republican member of the Gang of Eight who has publicly expressed opposition…

to most of the principles found within the founding documents of this nation. Jack-a$$!

deepdiver on June 12, 2013 at 3:54 PM

sadsushi on June 12, 2013 at 3:50 PM

That quote belongs to

dogsoldier on June 12, 2013 at 3:42 PM

not me.

backwoods conservative on June 12, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Because even though the NSA collects the data on every communications in America…somehow 11-12 million illegals (Many of them on Welfare) are still living in the shadows…So we have to legalize them so we know who they are…cause It’s really really important or something…

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Don’t forget many of the illegals are individuals who overstay their Visas. Nothing to do with Hispanics or the border. We can’t keep track of them either. How many more Tsaranevs are there? Why weren’t they tracked? They sought political asylum, were on welfare and traveled freely in and out of the country.

NSA collecting data on law abiding Americans and we have to rely on Lord and Taylor security cameras to catch the terrorists after they’ve killed and maimed innocents and shut down an American city. Pathetic.

Change the focus from border security to national security! Even if 99.9% of the 11 million illegals are not terrorists…that means that 11,000 could be!

monalisa on June 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

No one should be fooled by John Cornyn. Texas only has one good Senator. However, if Marco Rubio gets his Amnesty bill through, Texas will elect nothing but Democrats and the U.S. will go the way of California. And one of the country’s biggest DOUCHEBAGS, Julian Castro, will be on his way to the Presidency.

MPan on June 12, 2013 at 3:56 PM

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 3:21 PM

What about the system is so broken that it needs comprehensive reform?

iwasbornwithit on June 12, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Well…I’m speaking as a conservative native Texan…so here’s what I see…

The immigration courts are corrupt.

Certain groups are favored to perpetuate the corrupt systems of some of the immigration activists & their lawyers…and some of the businesses who want to keep the status quo.

That is the chief gripe between the Cubans and the Mexicans…and the Mexicans and the OTM’s…and all united Hispanics with other ethnic groups they perceive as receiving favored or quick access. It doesn’t matter to them if the Indian Engineer gets a faster track because of his skills. I’ve known a legally sponsored people that worked or started businesses, paid the fees and waited up to 12 years for citizenship.

The Churches (One Traditional legal Sponsorship group among many) are between a rock and a hard place…and some have become activist about it choosing sides.

The regional politicos take advantage of the situation to get elected. The entrenched take advantage of the OTM’s.

Every time Texas tries to clean things up…she ends up in federal court.

It’s a symptom of Californication of the nation…And like California the issue of immigration reform has become a gigantic mess of Bad covered in Wrong Sauce.

California & Texas have been in this fight for a long time.

As a Texan I prefer the Texas approach to the issue…But I also see Tejanos as different from Chicanos & Floridians like Rubio.

Cruz is a conservative Tejano…

There does need to be serious reform…But this ain’t it…This is a disaster.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Do y’all realize that the best chance we have of amnesty going belly up is that that large corporations who make large donations to politicians that want cheap labor? These guys don’t give a flying flip what we want or think.

Cindy Munford on June 12, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Why would anyone from either party be against border security? What possible explanation could they give? Under what circumstance should we not be securing our border?
oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 3:15 PM

It’s not fair, for one, and for two it makes non-citizens lose their self respect and feel marginalized.

Bishop on June 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Hey, don’t forget about those EVIL SHADOWS.

See, we have a whole society of people who apparently LIVE
“in the shadows”

I could swear (as I often do) that the other day when I
was walking outside in the Sun, my Shadow contained something,
or SOMEONE…..strange…

ToddPA on June 12, 2013 at 4:01 PM

What does getting people who are already here “out of the shadows” have to do with securing the border. They are already here, aren’t they?

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 4:04 PM

What does getting people who are already here “out of the shadows” have to do with securing the border. They are already here, aren’t they?

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 4:04 PM

They’re not “in the shadows” anyway, at least not here in Texas. They’re everywhere you look, and I don’t they have any fear, because they know our government is a joke.

Ward Cleaver on June 12, 2013 at 4:09 PM

No one should be fooled by John Cornyn. Texas only has one good Senator. However, if Marco Rubio gets his Amnesty bill through, Texas will elect nothing but Democrats and the U.S. will go the way of California. And one of the country’s biggest DOUCHEBAGS, Julian Castro, will be on his way to the Presidency.

MPan on June 12, 2013 at 3:56 PM

I’m not jumpin on the hate Cornyn bandwagon.

Texas has a strong economy…and if Texas were able to exert her traditional understanding with Mexico things might have been different?

Bush didn’t do it…But Perry or Cruz could.

Gov. Perry was the only republican candidate who ever spoke seriously about a Monroe Doctrine applied to our southern neighbors…only a native texas conservative even thinks like that.

Given Perry’s focus on economics…I think Mexico would have gotten a different message without disrupting business too much.

I also think Perry would have done a lot to build up the Texas Rangers with additional recruitment and funding and enforcement…Which would get the attention of our southern neighbor.

But that’s just me…I don’t look for perfection or agreement with every politician…But I like a pretty solid performance.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Instead of bitching about it here all day, call your reps 24/7 and hammer them.

Mr. Arrogant on June 12, 2013 at 4:11 PM

kingsjester on June 12, 2013 at 3:21 PM
monalisa on June 12, 2013 at 3:55 PM

+100-well said.

I wanna slap that grin off Rubio’s face.
effing cheap hooker.

bazil9 on June 12, 2013 at 4:12 PM

They’re not “in the shadows” anyway, at least not here in Texas. They’re everywhere you look, and I don’t they have any fear, because they know our government is a joke.

Ward Cleaver on June 12, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Yeah…It’s liberal doublespeak to appeal to emotion.

Hard to live in the shadows with kids in school…food stamps…paystubs…

Rubio is conflating two issues. Overstayed Visas…and illegals sneaking across the borders.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Ward Cleaver on June 12, 2013 at 4:09 PM

The shadows is laughable…
I didn’t know Home Depot,the local emergency room or my neighbor’s lawn was in the deep dark shadows.

bazil9 on June 12, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Rubio is talkin’ lyin’ out his identity political A$$ on Hannity Radio as we speak.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 4:17 PM

What does getting people who are already here “out of the shadows” have to do with securing the border. They are already here, aren’t they?

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Ok we got liberals who believe in Man Made Global Warming…They also saw this film…

A Day Without a Mexican – 2004

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Let me guess…Because National Sovereignty is an oldthink idea whose time has passed.

This is happening in Europe too…surrender of National Sovereignty to the EU Bureaucracy.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Great then. Let’s make this reciprocal. Mexico should have to do the very same thing with their illegal immigrants. And as a US Citizen I should be able to go to Mexico, open a cash business, live in the shadows, own property. etc. I should be able to do that whenever I want, and I should be able to claim amnesty when I want.

Oh. And I should get free health care when I show up at the hospital.

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Yeah…But over the last say 10-15 years Mexico is funneling the OTM’s (their illegals) up north.

Basic demographic dumping.

This is why Gov. Perry’s Southern Monroe Doctrine Policy idea was important…but not really covered by the media cause of Opps!

Perry had a lot of good conservative policy ideas…imho

I liked the part-time citizen congress too.
(I could see Perry shutting off the AC to the capital in the summer and calling it energy conservation or something)

I also liked the Prove Yo’self Foreign Aid policy idea.

But then again…I like him traveling across the country to Blue States and getting right in the face of their corrupt fiefdoms and competing for their businesses…Selling conservative governance and economics.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 4:32 PM

… You know how Rubio likes to say that we have “de facto amnesty” now? Well, the first stage of legalization is a de facto green card. Citizenship will inevitably follow later, border security or not …

Rubio just said on Hannity that “legalization is the goal and he cares nothing about securing the border.”

No, Rubio did not use those exact words, but he did pull the Clinton thingy of comparing his earlier words and parsing out new uncovered meanings that can magically slip between the cracks.

Looks like Rubio is now in full Democratic party obfuscation mode and is poised to shift to the Democratic party for the next election!

Freddy on June 12, 2013 at 4:37 PM

What are the odds that Obama signs an executive order moving up citizenship before 2016, and daring the GOP to oppose it?

– El_Terrible

Even worse, it will probably be McCain or Graham who encourage him to do it.

Rubio is talkin’ lyin’ out his identity political A$$ on Hannity Radio as we speak.

workingclass artist

Why should today be different from any other?

And before anyone else falls for his schtick:

Rand Paul today: If you’re illegal, we’ll find a place for you.

xblade on June 12, 2013 at 4:38 PM

The provisions were well received by all the GOP lawmakers, with the exception of Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Republican member of the Gang of Eight who has publicly expressed opposition to adding triggers that would cause Democrats to abandon the immigration deal.

Excuse me, what? As long as this bill puts even one illegal alien on a path to citizenship, the Democrats will not abandon it. The comprehensive immigration reform bill is a win-win situation for Democrats. If it passes, the Democrats get a net gain of millions of future voters, plus in the meantime they get to campaign to Hispanic voters by showing all they did to promote immigration. And if it fails, the Democrats at least get to use it as a campaign issue against Republicans.

(Does that mean that the bill is a lose-lose situation for Republicans? Yes, I think so, but if the bill passes, it’s a big loss for Republicans, and if it fails, it’s a much smaller loss for Republicans.)

J.S.K. on June 12, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Any shred of pretense that this was anything more than a move to pad the dhimmicRAT voter roles is gone.

It is not about compassion. Never was.

After the undocumented voters arrive, the move toward islamic rule or socialism (I’m not clear yet which it will be) will be unimpeded.

davidk on June 12, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Everywhere I read at least has shown little to no support for this bill. This bill looks even less popular that the health care bill because I think most do realize what it will do.

watertown on June 12, 2013 at 4:51 PM

backwoods conservative on June 12, 2013 at 3:42 PM

when is your primary?

davidk on June 12, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Just heard Rubio on Hannity’s radio show. Boy, that guy was talking faster than a New York minute in his explanation of which triggers – border or legalization – will come first. He sounded like he was definitely breaking a sweat. That was frustrating enough, but even worse was Hannity’s LACK of any follow-up to Rubio’s parsing of the provisions of the bill. Either Hannity is nothing but a republican establishment tool or he is just a dim bulb. I can hardly stand to hear him anymore because of his plodding, repetitive nature.

KickandSwimMom on June 12, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Paul Ryan: ‘I will debate anybody’ who says immigration bill is ‘amnesty’

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/paul-ryan-debate-anybody-says-immigration-bill-amnesty-195916824.html

El_Terrible on June 12, 2013 at 5:03 PM

when is your primary?

davidk on June 12, 2013 at 5:00 PM

June 2014. No definite date set yet.

backwoods conservative on June 12, 2013 at 5:15 PM

June 2014. No definite date set yet.

backwoods conservative on June 12, 2013 at 5:15 PM

I plan on sending him a few $s. Keep us current on developments. Graham needs to go.

davidk on June 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM

That was frustrating enough, but even worse was Hannity’s LACK of any follow-up to Rubio’s parsing of the provisions of the bill. Either Hannity is nothing but a republican establishment tool or he is just a dim bulb. I can hardly stand to hear him anymore because of his plodding, repetitive nature.

KickandSwimMom on June 12, 2013 at 5:02 PM

While he claims to be a conservative, Hannity is nothing more than a GOP establishment hack who gets his marching orders from Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes. He is also a dim bulb.

bw222 on June 12, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Paul Ryan: ‘I will debate anybody’ who says immigration bill is ‘amnesty’

Mitt Romney was actually the more conservative one on the 2012 GOP ticket. Paul Ryan is pure GOPe.

bw222 on June 12, 2013 at 5:24 PM

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