Dempsey: No, special forces were not told to stand down during Benghazi attack

posted at 8:01 pm on June 12, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Let me see if I can iron this one out: Since the investigation into last September’s terrorist attack in Benghazi got underway, Obama administration officials have maintained that no military units were ever told to stand down from and that they immediately deployed all of the available resources during the attack. Last month, however, self-proclaimed whistleblower and former diplomat in Tripoli at the time of the attack Greg Hicks told Congressional investigators that an Army special forces unit was told to stand down during the siege and subsequently missed the flight — and Hicks testified that he believes that, had the military perhaps been able to get a plane or two over the scene more quickly, the aggressors would have cut and run and the mortar attack that killed two of the four total Americans might never have happened.

In his own testimony in front of a Senate panel on Wednesday, however, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey insisted that Hick’s testimony wasn’t an accurate portrayal of how the whole thing went down; the timing and the need for help with casualties from Benghazi, Dempsey said, resulted in orders for the unit to go to and then remain in Tripoli:

“They weren’t told to stand down. A `stand down’ means don’t do anything,” he said. “They were told that the mission they were asked to perform was not in Benghazi, but was at Tripoli airport.” …

Sens. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., and Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., questioned Dempsey about Hicks’ testimony at a hearing on the military budget.

Dempsey explained that when the four members of Army special forces contacted their command center in Stuttgart, Germany, they were informed that Americans in Benghazi were “on their way and that they would be better used at the Tripoli airport because one of them was a medic.”

He also said that “if they had gone, they would have simply passed each other in the air.” …

Dempsey and former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta had told the Senate in February that the military couldn’t get resources to Benghazi in time and scrambling jet fighters wasn’t the right course. Dempsey told Ayotte that after he learned of Hicks’ testimony last month, he checked back with officials on what orders were given.

So, given Dempsey’s testimony that this particular military unit was never explicitly told to “stand down” and only received marching orders too late after the fact to have been useful in interrupting it, that still doesn’t really move us any closer to directly answering why the consulate’s security was so unprepared after explicit requests for more, the muddled and lagging response, and precisely which people are accountable. Most importantly of all, it doesn’t explain why Obama’s State Department — after repeatedly emphasizing that they will address embassy security as a priority and insisting that “we have a lot more important things to move on to” than Benghazi — well, isn’t.

A new report by the State Department’s Office of Inspector General (OIG) on the U.S. embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, indicates that security at even the most exposed embassies of the United States is still inadequate. …

The report’s most disturbing finding is this one:

“Physical security vulnerabilities at mission facilities, which include office buildings and residences, place employees at risk. Compliance with Overseas Security Policy Board standards is not possible at the current location.” …

The U.S. Beirut embassy, according to the OIG, currently has 64 full-time employees, 20 temporary-duty personnel to supplement the permanent staff, and 533 locally employed staff members. …


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2

I need a full list of all the scandals in the IRS, EPA, State Department, NSA, DOJ, etc. I can’t keep them straight.

joekenha on June 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

So did Mister Dumpster bring up the importance of
” diversity” in this jihady killing ?

burrata on June 12, 2013 at 8:07 PM

They weren’t told to stand down. A `stand down’ means don’t do anything,” he said. “They were told that the mission they were asked to perform was not in Benghazi, but was at Tripoli airport.”

That’s doublespeak.

faraway on June 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM

“They weren’t told to stand down. A `stand down’ means don’t do anything,” he said. “They were told that the mission they were asked to perform was not in Benghazi, but was at Tripoli airport.” …

WHO told them that ?
WHO ?

burrata on June 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM

I’m guessing we hire locals b/c it saves money and gives them a job and an opportunity to meet Americans. However, since Americans are and will continue to be targets for the foreseeable future, perhaps we ought to redirect some of the funds we’re wasting (and heave knows, we have a lot of waste) to beefing up security for our overseas employees and hire Americans for staff positions.

Unfortunately, this Democrat administration stranded Americans. We don’t do that – or at least we didn’t used to strand Americans. State Department employees, well, you might want to think twice.

Frankly, if I were a State Department official and assigned overseas, the main question I’d have would be: “Will my nation come to my rescue?”

MN J on June 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM

…well gee wiz…someone’s bu11shitting!

KOOLAID2 on June 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM

I’m raising the BS flag on this. Why were they needed in Tripoli? Why not send them to Benghazi even if it was too late? Secure the scene maybe? BTW you can get a jet ready to go pretty quick at least in the Marine Corps you can and an F-16 to Libya from Italy is a pretty short flight and if no refuelers land in Tripoli after a flyby. This still stinks to high heaven. Why hasn’t Gen Hamm testified under oath?

major dad on June 12, 2013 at 8:10 PM

They weren’t told to stand down. A `stand down’ means don’t do anything,” he said. “They were told that the mission they were asked to perform was not in Benghazi, but was at Tripoli airport.”

So they were deployed to Tripoli airport.
How far is that from Benghazi?

Sounds like spin.
“Depends on what the meaning of “is” is.”

Mimzey on June 12, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Talk about parsing words, that sounds like some serious BS to me,

JusDreamin on June 12, 2013 at 8:11 PM

When the FBI investigation into this whole sorry episode is completed…we’ll know exactly what happened.

d1carter on June 12, 2013 at 8:14 PM

A new report by the State Department’s Office of Inspector General (OIG) on the U.S. embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, indicates that security at even the most exposed embassies of the United States is still inadequate. …

The report’s most disturbing finding is this one:

“Physical security vulnerabilities at mission facilities, which include office buildings and residences, place employees at risk. Compliance with Overseas Security Policy Board standards is not possible at the current location.” …

The U.S. Beirut embassy, according to the OIG, currently has 64 full-time employees, 20 temporary-duty personnel to supplement the permanent staff, and 533 locally employed staff members. …

I hope no muzie is reading the above :O

burrata on June 12, 2013 at 8:14 PM

What did Dempsey do that night?

d1carter on June 12, 2013 at 8:15 PM

That’s doublespeak.

faraway on June 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Oh all of these so fart smellas just love that double talk. Like Clappers “least untruth.”
We used to call it prevarication or in the pen, “lying your ass off.”

arnold ziffel on June 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

When the FBI investigation into this whole sorry episode is completed…we’ll know exactly what happened.

d1carter on June 12, 2013 at 8:14 PM

No we won’t.

Mimzey on June 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

What did Dempsey do that night?

d1carter on June 12, 2013 at 8:15 PM

OK , all you NSA guys lurking here, jump in …..now :O

burrata on June 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

so the next HOTAIR headline will be “did dempsey lie?”.

phatfawzi on June 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

No we won’t.

Mimzey on June 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Sorry, that was deep sarcasm…

d1carter on June 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Dempsey: No, special forces were not told to stand down during Benghazi attack

Slow news day huh Erika??

HotAirLib on June 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

They weren’t told to stand down… just go someplace useless…

Hmmmm… the net result is exactly the same.

ajacksonian on June 12, 2013 at 8:19 PM

It’s been ‘almost’ confirmed that the group that was attacking the consulate had surface to air missiles likely provided by our State Department. American aircraft over the site could have been more of a disaster than doing nothing.
Make sense?

countrybumpkin on June 12, 2013 at 8:19 PM

So the order was not, “Stand down.”

The order was, “Do not get on that plane to Benghazi.”

How is that any better?

ROCnPhilly on June 12, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Who gave the orders. Any damn order, who gave it General.

Dempsey told Ayotte that after he learned of Hicks’ testimony last month, he checked back with officials on what orders were given.

Well General if you checked to see what orders where given you know who gave them, I want the damn name.

D-fusit on June 12, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Last month, however, self-proclaimed whistleblower

This irritates me. I keep seeing it. He IS a whistleblower. If he is a ‘self-proclaimed whistleblower,’ then all whistleblowers are ‘self-proclaimed.’

Calling him a ‘self-proclaimed whistleblower’ has the effect of undermining him.

As for the timeline, here:

Benghazi: The Definitive Timeline

Resist We Much on June 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM

HAL, Have I told you to FOAD lately?

D-fusit on June 12, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Slow news day huh Erika??
 
HotAirLib on June 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

 
Good to see you, HAL. We missed you on the
 

FBI requests for records under Patriot Act have increased 1,000% in just four years

 
thread.

rogerb on June 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM

It’s been ‘almost’ confirmed that the group that was attacking the consulate had surface to air missiles likely provided by our State Department. American aircraft over the site could have been more of a disaster than doing nothing.
Make sense?

countrybumpkin on June 12, 2013 at 8:19 PM

No. No soldier flinches from a rescue mission because of rumors of weaponry after the fact. That’s just retarded. Besides, our best intelligence said it was just a bunch of guys walking by who decided to kill some Americans that night…

ROCnPhilly on June 12, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Dempsey: No, special forces were not told to stand down during Benghazi attack

Says you.

rrpjr on June 12, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Valerie Jarrett sent the Special Forces to the 7-11 in Tripoli because that’s where all the action was. Barry was otherwise engaged.

vityas on June 12, 2013 at 8:32 PM

thread.

rogerb on June 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM

HAL the fascist is cool with that.

Slow news day huh Erika??

HotAirLib on June 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Yes, semantical hair splitting is always impressive. BTW, how’s your stock portfolio of so called green energy companies that only stay afloat through government cheese doing?

NotCoach on June 12, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Dempsey has to be one of the biggest weasels for a General. He’s as big a weasel as AA Gen. COLON Powell.

Liars lie and beget liars. The military, like every other part of the gubmint, has become politicized and we will soon be confronted with a PATRON armed forces.

BTW, AA=Affirmative Action for those that are a little slow.

belad on June 12, 2013 at 8:33 PM

“They weren’t told to stand down. A `stand down’ means don’t do anything,” he said. “They were told that the mission they were asked to perform was not in Benghazi, but was at Tripoli airport.” …

WHO told them that ?
WHO ?

burrata on June 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM

And then, “Why?!”

Why would someone in that position say the equivalent to, “hey the action is at location x therefore we want you to go to location y.”

anuts on June 12, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Sorry, that was deep sarcasm…

d1carter on June 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

I kinda figured so.
Just very pessimistic lately. Nothing much will come of any of this.
People have become ignorant. Not ignorant = stupid…ignorant in the sense of being able to ignore things.. being ignore-ant of anything that interrupts the flow.

Mimzey on June 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM

I know a counter-intel guy who was expecting to be deployed to northwest Afghanistan, Mazari Sharif IIRC. Right before he deployed they changed plans and sent his unit to Bagram. Apparently the building they were going to use was a State Dept. project, and State had spent a couple of million bucks on a place that they had been told in advance was undefendable. I don’t know if the fools in charge were drinking their own kool-aid about the prospects for things improving, but when it came down to actually moving in the reality was too dangerous to be ignored. Given what we know about Benghazi, it must have been really, really bad.

novaculus on June 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM

HotLips on June 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

…GFY!…then chew on your nub!

KOOLAID2 on June 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Why is Gen Dempsey testifying the JCS are only advisors to the President and not in their chain of command.

RickB on June 12, 2013 at 8:35 PM

…TROLLCOT…the nub!

KOOLAID2 on June 12, 2013 at 8:35 PM

So subpoena the 4 SF troops and see what they have to say. Unlike the armchair generals, they were on-scene, privy to real time information.

“Passing each other in the air” would have been pretty hard, seeing as TWO WERE ALREADY DEAD.

Sounds like more Palace Prince of the Pentagon CYA.

GarandFan on June 12, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Dempsey is a liar. It’s just that simple.

Curtiss on June 12, 2013 at 8:36 PM

“Will my nation come to my rescue?”

MN J on June 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM

I think they know the answer to that. Not no but H*ll NO.

chemman on June 12, 2013 at 8:36 PM

I reserve the right to be wrong about this but I recall that Hicks answered this question more than once and the essence of his recollection was that the personnel in question were told “not to go to Benghazi” but, rather, to remain where they were. Which was, at the airport in Tripoli.

Are we talking semantics here? If you’re told “Don’t get on that plane; stay where you are,” is that somehow magically different than saying the precise words, “Stand down, soldier!”

I’d get off the “stand down” train. The question is, were these people available, ready and willing to go help and were they told not to do so? I could give a rat’s ass what they want to call it.

IndieDogg on June 12, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Dempsey: No, special forces were not told to stand down during Benghazi attack
Says you.

rrpjr on June 12, 2013 at 8:30 PM

I would have asked dumpstey “No stand down order? Are you kidding me? You are going to sit here and bald face lie to congress? Geez, how much sh!t does nsa have on you anyway? Every scumbag in this admin should be asked the same questions every time they are made to testify/lie.

VegasRick on June 12, 2013 at 8:39 PM

They weren’t told to stand down. A `stand down’ means don’t do anything,” he said. “They were told that the mission they were asked to perform was not in Benghazi, but was at Tripoli airport.”

That’s doublespeak

faraway on June 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Or as we say here in Indiana, horseshit.

They were ready to go. They were told not to go. Dempsey apparently subscribes to the opinion that unless someone actually uttered the words “stand down” they weren’t told to stand down. They damned well were. We still don’t know who gave the orders and exactly what in the Hell the President of the United States Barack Obama was doing while Americans were being slaughtered in Benghazi.

novaculus on June 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Slow news day huh Erika??

HotAirLib on June 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Wow, the bed wetting #)ckTards are just phoning it in now.

Good Effort, you get a participation award!!!!

I’m sure you’re used to those….put this one with your collection.

BigWyo on June 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

RickB on June 12, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Exactly. The Joint Chiefs are advisors and nothing else but advisors.

chemman on June 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Dempsey apparently subscribes to the opinion that unless someone actually uttered the words “stand down” they weren’t told to stand down.

novaculus on June 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM

He is taking lessons on parsing terms from his buddy the copperless Clapper at NSI.

chemman on June 12, 2013 at 8:46 PM

“They weren’t told to stand down. A `stand down’ means don’t do anything,” he said. “They were told that the mission they were asked to perform was not in Benghazi, but was at Tripoli airport.” …

So you’re using the incompetence defense, again?

EA_MAN on June 12, 2013 at 8:46 PM

I don’t believe a word these people say!

Zcat on June 12, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Did the unit do a mission at Tripoli airport? If so, this is the first I heard about it. If they didn’t because it was cancelled, isn’t that a stand down?

We need to start some serious mass firings of people in this government.

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I guess it depends on how you define a stand down order. To me, telling them they weren’t allowed to go save people in Tripoli because they would later be needed to unload bodies at the airport is about the same thing.

Dempsey has no credibility. I wonder if he has no honor at all, or does it just look that way.

MTF on June 12, 2013 at 8:50 PM

rogerb on June 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM

I don’t pick over all the threads here but the Hyperventilating Hand Wringers have been noticeably absent for a while now.

Slim pickins for the socially inept, morally bankrupt dishonest HA Lib #ricks in the last week or so….

BigWyo on June 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM

It’s either outright lies or double-talk with these clowns. Is there an honorable man among them? They had better hope not!

claudius on June 12, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Stay in place, stand down,, same thing.

Somewhere there’s video from a drone of IR painting those morters, at the very least fast movers out of Italy should have been airborn.

We are in a scarey place when even the Military brass lies thier azzes off.

wolly4321 on June 12, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Since there is no actual consequence for lying to Congressional committees and Dempsey’s explanation saves the both the Pentagon and Obama from further embarrassment and a continuation of the scandal, I think I’ll go with the conclusion that Dempsey is lying.

I could be wrong but but I have a pattern of lying on this issue that doesn’t require complex algorithms to tease out of a stack full of needles.

Dusty on June 12, 2013 at 8:56 PM

he’s telling a clapper. i mean whopper.

seriously: if clapper can lie and get away with it, then why should any american believe a goshdang single syllable any obama appointee utters before Congress?

reliapundit on June 12, 2013 at 8:59 PM

“Bull squat” Get them all under oath AND hooked up to lie detectors. Then, and only then, will we know th truth.

Amazingoly on June 12, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Given the Obongo Administration’s penchant for vacays and partying the official WH communication regarding Benghazi once again confused “throwing down” with “standing down.”

viking01 on June 12, 2013 at 9:07 PM

All this time and this is the best they can come up with? Weak.

Cindy Munford on June 12, 2013 at 9:09 PM

So, given Dempsey’s testimony that this particular military unit was never explicitly told to “stand down” and only received marching orders too late after the fact to have been useful in interrupting it,

Barky’s intentional stalling tactic to harm American interests and Americans. He’s done this more than a few times before. In fact, this is pretty much Barky’s go-to strategy in military matters – stall and then issue half-orders when it’s clear that it’s too late. Done for the Somali pirates (that were gotten thanks only to the officer at the scene finally taking the initiative on his own) and done for the strategic review in Afghanistan (the first review, which Barky claimed was obsolete because it took 5 months, so he hemmed and hawed and ordered it be done over again … whence it took 4 months, and then Barky just made up his own numbers, anyway).

Intentionally stalling until the situation deteriorates beyond repair. That is the one thing that Barky knows how to do. Lucky for him that such a strategy only requires 80 IQ points to implement, so he clears that bar by 4 points.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 12, 2013 at 9:09 PM

I would have asked dumpstey “No stand down order? Are you kidding me? You are going to sit here and bald face lie to congress?

VegasRick on June 12, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Perjury is becoming a feature not a bug with this administration. See Clapper, Alexander, and Holder, to name 3.

Resist We Much on June 12, 2013 at 9:10 PM

“Bull squat” Get them all under oath AND hooked up to lie detectors. Then, and only then, will we know th truth.

[Amazingoly on June 12, 2013 at 9:03 PM]

I don’t think we need all that. Just give us the records so we can read and listen for ourselves. I’m sure all voice traffic was recorded. Give us those recordings and let us listen to what was actually said. Give us all the docs so we can see the timestamps in addition to the communications.

I’m sure NSA could help out by providing all the personal cell phone traffic of those involved that they swept up, too, in case those are needed.

Dusty on June 12, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Perjury is becoming a feature not a bug with this administration. See Clapper, Alexander, and Holder, to name 3.

Resist We Much on June 12, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Kagan perjured her way onto the SCOTASS. Burris perjured his way into the Senate seat Barky vacated and had been up for auction (with Barky’s full knowledge, as we all know).

Barky, of course, is a pathological liar who has never told the truth about anything in his whole pathetic, entropy-raising existence.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 12, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Dempsey: No, special forces were not told to stand down during Benghazi attack

.
Slow news day huh Erika??

HotAirLib on June 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

.
Afraid we’re gonna find something, aren’t you ?

listens2glenn on June 12, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Perjury is becoming a feature not a bug with this administration. See Clapper, Alexander, and Holder, to name 3.

Resist We Much on June 12, 2013 at 9:10 PM

lois unlearned lied and then took the 5TH. Even the mob guys I knew just took the 5th so they did not have to lie. These scumbags are worse than the mob.

VegasRick on June 12, 2013 at 9:19 PM

We are in a scarey place when even the Military brass lies thier azzes off.

wolly4321 on June 12, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Man, you can say that again!

Cleombrotus on June 12, 2013 at 9:22 PM

Dempsey has no credibility. I wonder if he has no honor at all, or does it just look that way.

MTF on June 12, 2013 at 8:50 PM

With every keystroke monitored, every phone call and text message recorded, I wonder what the Obama Administration has on every one of the people giving testimony (read that lying through their teeth) on the various scandals?

Fallon on June 12, 2013 at 9:27 PM

This is getting a little Clintonian. ‘Stand down’ doesn’t mean just ‘stop’ in the military, it means ‘go change into civvies, go downtown and have a beer’. So whoever was in a position to move could have been told to ‘stop’ without being told to ‘stand down’.

PersonFromPorlock on June 12, 2013 at 9:28 PM

OK, so no special forces were ordered to stand down. What about conventional forces? Air forces?

flipflop on June 12, 2013 at 9:31 PM

We are in a scarey place when even the Military brass lies thier azzes off.

wolly4321 on June 12, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Man, you can say that again!

Cleombrotus on June 12, 2013 at 9:22 PM

OK, we’re really triple effed.

arnold ziffel on June 12, 2013 at 9:35 PM

I’d get off the “stand down” train. The question is, were these people available, ready and willing to go help and were they told not to do so? I could give a rat’s ass what they want to call it.

IndieDogg on June 12, 2013 at 8:39 PM

There was a C-130 loaded with Special Forces ON THE TARMAC at NAS Sigonella…

…And they WERE told to stand down and deplane.

Ready to go.

Loaded for bear.

STAND DOWN!

Solaratov on June 12, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Why did the CIA annex supply IR designators to operators with no contingent for thier use? The fact that they had them in the first place, and they were deployed with no response in and of itself suggest a stand down order.

They were left to die. Painting a target.

Maybe air assets weren’t ready. Doesn’t make it any better. Months after launching tomahawks left and right we couldn’t get a plane off the ground? There were no seaborne platforms? A SEAL Team in theatre?

Sorry, I don’t buy that.

wolly4321 on June 12, 2013 at 9:38 PM

Rep. Jason Chaffetz: “How did personnel react to being told to stand down?”

Mr. Hicks: “They were furious, I will quote Lt. Col. Gibson, he said, ‘this is the first time in my career that a diplomat has more balls than somebody in the military.’”

Okay, so where is Lt. Col. Gibson?

lynncgb on June 12, 2013 at 9:38 PM

It’s been ‘almost’ confirmed that the group that was attacking the consulate had surface to air missiles likely provided by our State Department. American aircraft over the site could have been more of a disaster than doing nothing.
Make sense?

countrybumpkin on June 12, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Why would they bring surface to air missiles to a protest about a youtube video?

Dongemaharu on June 12, 2013 at 9:41 PM

“They were told that the mission they were asked to perform was not in Benghazi, but was at Tripoli airport.” …

Well, they knew Ambassador Stevens was dead I guess so maybe instead of sending troops to Benghazi whoever was in command decided to redirect their efforts at loading the rest of Stevens’ personal items still in the Tripoli embassy on a plane back to the States.

DaveDief on June 12, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Why did the CIA annex supply IR designators to operators with no contingent for thier use? The fact that they had them in the first place, and they were deployed with no response in and of itself suggest a stand down order.

They were left to die. Painting a target.

wolly4321 on June 12, 2013 at 9:38 PM

You do not paint (lase) a target unless there is someone (or something) overhead to put ordnance on the target you have painted.

It’s too dangerous. The laser is visible to your target; and they can then aim at you – knowing exactly where you are.

I find it hard to believe that a SEAL would just light up a target in the vague hope that some passing plane would drop a bomb on it.

If he was lasing the target, it is because he knew there was a plane (or even a drone) over him…and he was in contact with it. Nothing else is possible or probable.

Solaratov on June 12, 2013 at 9:50 PM

RickB on June 12, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Exactly. The Joint Chiefs are advisors and nothing else but advisors.

chemman on June 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

That isn’t true. The JCS is composed of the Chiefs of Staff of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and the Commandant of the Marine Corps. Those are the highest ranking officers in their respective services and most definitely at the top of the military chain of command.

That being said, I believe what we are seeing may be a classical bait and switch operation. Were the soldiers being told not to go or to stand down, or told to go to Tripoli or whatever Special Forces Operators or were they a regular Army quick reaction force? I am so tired of all these politicians (yes, Pentagon Generals are politicians) parsing words and getting away with it. I don’t care if they are the Army Chief of Staff or the Director if the NSA, Congressional questioners cannot allow them to define terms which allow them to mislead or lie.

yesiamapirate on June 12, 2013 at 9:52 PM

I have always thought that we could not totally lose the country until we lost the military. Dempsey is lying.

Game over.

peacenprosperity on June 12, 2013 at 9:53 PM

military couldn’t get resources to Benghazi in time and scrambling jet fighters wasn’t the right course.

I’m calling BS. Show of force by aircraft is used all the time.

They f#ucked up and did nothing, and they know it. It’s now time for them to circle the wagon and cya.

tommer74 on June 12, 2013 at 10:06 PM

This would have worked..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kCBZXkSbCA&feature=youtube_gdata_player.

Solaratov- I read somewhere that the IR designators won’t even paint unless they have comms with a source of firepower. It takes two to activate. They work as a system.

I don’t know the system. Don’t know it to be true, but it would make sense. Limited electronic emmisions.

I would understand that design.

wolly4321 on June 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Who can keep track of the lies from the People in DC?

Besides who cares?

More peeps are interested in whether they got their fries and a straw in the drive-thru bag.

PappyD61 on June 12, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Speaking of lies…….

Apparently the filthy scum that leads the House is going to try and get Amnesty passed by Aug 1.

BECAUSE NO ONE IS CALLING!!!

PappyD61 on June 12, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Solaratov on June 12, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Now you did it.

I hope that you are NOT active duty or trying to get anything approved by the feds.

Anyway, I have an idea about some US base in the shadow of Mt. Etna and it looks like (is) a big, capable operation with competent commanders.

All easy to check facts:

Now it is less than 1,000 miles from Benghazi.

A C – 130 (J) can hit 400 mph and any 130 can do 300+ MPH with 40K pounds in the Cargo compartment.

They should have had a force together in two hours, tops. Well, I know a girl who can muster and load up in an hour.

That siege went on, exactly how long again?

Eight hours?

Any organization takes prods from the top. Many people in pressure jobs take dog whistles and nuance to set their conduct before they even look at a problem. With the election looming, the real important airlift was our POTUS going to Vegas in the War on Romney.

IlikedAUH2O on June 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM

That isn’t true. The JCS is composed of the Chiefs of Staff of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and the Commandant of the Marine Corps. Those are the highest ranking officers in their respective services and most definitely at the top of the military chain of command.

That being said, I believe what we are seeing may be a classical bait and switch operation. Were the soldiers being told not to go or to stand down, or told to go to Tripoli or whatever Special Forces Operators or were they a regular Army quick reaction force? I am so tired of all these politicians (yes, Pentagon Generals are politicians) parsing words and getting away with it. I don’t care if they are the Army Chief of Staff or the Director if the NSA, Congressional questioners cannot allow them to define terms which allow them to mislead or lie.

yesiamapirate on June 12, 2013 at 9:52 PM

For your perusal

Following the Goldwater-Nichols Act in 1986 the Joint Chiefs of Staff do not have operational command authority, neither individually nor collectively, as the chain of command goes from the President to the Secretary of Defense, and from the Secretary of Defense to the Commanders of the Combatant Commands.[7] Goldwater-Nichols also created the office of Vice Chairman, and the Chairman is now designated as the principal military adviser to the Secretary of Defense, the Homeland Security Council, the National Security Council and to the President.[8]

RickB on June 12, 2013 at 10:37 PM

They weren’t told to stand down. A `stand down’ means don’t do anything,” he said. “They were told that the mission they were asked to perform was not in Benghazi, but was at Tripoli airport.”

I read those words.

In my head, I hear, “it depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’, is…”

Midas on June 12, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Slow news day huh Erika??

HotAirLib on June 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

GFY.

Midas on June 12, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Solaratov on June 12, 2013 at 9:50 PM

There was an ongoing debate of these issues which seemed to hit a brick wall.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012/11/03/so-what-were-the-assets-available-for-benghazi-part-ii/

The military used to be expected to use too much force…and have to lie about it.

IlikedAUH2O on June 12, 2013 at 10:43 PM

More peeps are interested in whether they got their fries and a straw in the drive-thru bag.

PappyD61 on June 12, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Do they mess up your orders, too?

If we just passed immigration reform, registered weapons, dropped voter Id, reformed the military on sexual assaults, legalized gay marriage and adopted every Sharia Law we could, they could put their minds on their work!

IlikedAUH2O on June 12, 2013 at 10:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kCBZXkSbCA&feature=youtube_gdata_player.

wolly4321 on June 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM

THAT is terrifying.

Cleombrotus on June 12, 2013 at 10:53 PM

THAT is terrifying.

Cleombrotus on June 12, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Not the least of which is because I’m imagining it in the hands of the wrong people.

Cleombrotus on June 12, 2013 at 10:56 PM

…“if they had gone, they would have simply passed each other in the air.” …

No, it was the Libyan plane that evacuated the Benghazi survivors, dead and wounded that the four man team in Tripoli was on its way to board when they were told they were not authorized to go.

There was not another plane. It took two trips for the one plane to evacuate everyone.

The special forces team was going to secure the airport in Benghazi, help with the evacuation and transport(one was a medic) and presumably they would have come in handy if there had been another attack before they could get out of Benghazi.

Furthermore, the team in Tripoli was not sent to the Tripoli airport, the guy (with the broken foot) the medic was sent with someone (a nurse I think) from the Tripoli embassy to the hospital to help prepare to receive the wounded.

I listened to Hick’s detailed description of exactly what happened, believed every word and Dempsey’s explanation simply does not fit with those facts.

bertielou on June 13, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Obama administration was (and probably still is) too busy throwing parties for the IRS in California, to bother with the small detail such as Embassy security.

A.S.R. on June 13, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Obama administration officials have maintained that no military units were ever told to stand down

BULLSHIT!

Let’s put this puppy to rest, shall we. There were several divisions of the military told to stand down, even after they had scrambled aircraft.

Out of Stuttgart, there was a FAST platoon who was specifically told to STAND DOWN and not get on a flight to Benghazi. How do I know this, from one of the JAG officers there.

There was a Commander of Navy air assets that scrambled aircraft after he got word of the attack, he was told to recall the aircraft and received a reprimand.

The STAND DOWN order that Hicks says took place happened exactly like he said. I mentioned it in a prior thread before we heard about it here. I had heard it from Hicks’ friend whom works for AFRICOM and he talked to him and told him.

There were also Alert 15 aircraft out of Aviano that were told to STAND DOWN. There were pilots in the ready room ready to go, but were instructed not to.

Also, the JAG from Stuttgart says that once the embassy was attacked, there is no need to get a clearance from the country for fly-over support. All bets are off since it is American soil. She also says that everyone in EUCOM are scurrying around to cover their asses.

They were told that the mission they were asked to perform was not in Benghazi, but was at Tripoli airport

So, these geniuses thought it was oh-so-smart to leave an SF unit in Tripoli when the fighting was in Benghazi, only because one of their guys was a medic. Why couldn’t the others go and the medic stay? That is what our platoon would have done!

Also, how would they have ‘passes in the air’ since Doherty and the other guys left from Tripoli to go support Benghazi. That is the flight they missed! They would have made it there for support, I don’t care what that lying piece of shit says!

Patriot Vet on June 13, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Here’s the kabuki theater here. Dempsey is a political government employee who isn’t going to poop on his career YET the Congress brings him up to tell them “nothing to see here.” Was Dempsey himself in the loop that night? Was he in the situation room? Did HE give any orders?

Or is he just reading from a cleansed report offer to him by five levels of subordinate officers who someday want to be him in his position.

Where is Gibson- the man ordered to stand down. Where is his immediate boss who ordered him to stand down.

One thing about the feds is they work in a very solid- and recorded- chain of command.

Yet Congress wastes our time with Dempsey.

archer52 on June 13, 2013 at 4:14 AM

That siege went on, exactly how long again?

Eight hours?

Any organization takes prods from the top. Many people in pressure jobs take dog whistles and nuance to set their conduct before they even look at a problem. With the election looming, the real important airlift was our POTUS going to Vegas in the War on Romney.

IlikedAUH2O on June 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM

10 hours, they fought to the death for 10 hours…ever hoping for us to “leave no one behind”…

right2bright on June 13, 2013 at 7:45 AM

“They weren’t told to stand down. A `stand down’ means don’t do anything,” he said. “They were told that the mission they were asked to perform was not in Benghazi, but was at Tripoli airport.” …

Is there a difference? Boy, they think that we’re stupid!

cajunpatriot on June 13, 2013 at 8:38 AM

So you have your people under attack in place “A”

and the guy in charge there sends the reinforcements to place “B”.

I’m no mother tongue, but wouldn’t that be called “treason” in English?

Ali Mentary on June 13, 2013 at 10:01 AM

That’s doublespeak.

faraway on June 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM

+1000

If a bank is being robbed and the dispatcher tells the police to go to a different bank — but one which is nearby — is the dispatcher aiding in stopping the robbery?

unclesmrgol on June 13, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Comment pages: 1 2