Dem rep: We were “astounded” by what we heard in our new classified briefing about surveillance

posted at 5:21 pm on June 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

A simple case of a liberal trying to impress the lefty base with her innocence about the surveillance state or proof that O and the NSA really are up to more than anyone thought? Well, she’s specific in saying that there are things happening that go beyond what’s been publicly revealed. (Although maybe not for long: Remember, Glenn Greenwald’s promised further leaks.) Read Ed’s post this morning about other members of Congress sounding grim and you’ll see she’s not the only one on whom the classified briefings made an impression. Nor is she the only person lately to refer to data-mining of phone records and Internet communications as the “tip of the iceberg.” Former NSA official turned whistleblower William Binney has used that phrase too in describing what he suspects is the full scope of federal record-harvesting. I think that’s what Sanchez is probably getting at here — it’s the sheer scope of what they’re vacuuming up that would blow our minds if we knew, not necessarily that they’re using technologies we weren’t aware of. Marc Ambinder wrote the other day that it’s 50 companies that are being trawled for data by the feds, not just the big nine identified on the PRISM Powerpoint. Having that fact confirmed probably wouldn’t change the public’s opinion of NSA surveillance much, I suspect, but if some of the companies involved turned out to be, say, insurers with access to people’s medical records — hoo boy.

Here’s the clip via the Hill. Michael Hayden told TPM yesterday that the NSA probably knows by now exactly what data Snowden has in his possession and therefore what leaks are still to come. Maybe that forced the agency to reveal more than they initially wanted to in their briefings this week with Congress: If they withheld something and then the world found out thanks to Snowden,, a lot of angry senators and representatives would want to know why they were kept in the dark. Exit question: How is that we can bug virtually the entire Internet but Clapper’s going around saying things like this about our cyberdefenses?


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We should be spying on everyone outside the country. It makes no sense to spy on those in the country when closing our borders and kicking immigrants people out would make us far safer.

Never give a power to the gov’t you wouldn’t have given to Stalin. The most frightening thing for me to hear is we are all suppose to rely on their ethics for the protection of our liberties rather than the law. We should all be wearing ti foil hats now.

aniptofar on June 12, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Dem rep: We were “astounded” by what we heard in our new classified briefing about surveillance

Now if they told you the whole story you would be paranoid.

meci on June 12, 2013 at 5:27 PM

She’s about to blow..!

d1carter on June 12, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Funny if the congress finds out most of their shenanigans
were not private.

losarkos on June 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Exit question: How is that we can bug virtually the entire Internet but Clapper’s going around saying things like this about our cyberdefenses?

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Oh that’s easy, AP. I used to work for a large multinational firm. Five years ago, the number of “attacks on our firewall” each day numbered more than 1 million.

Most firms IT organizations do not have staff dedicated to just Security run by someone authorized to pick up the phone and call the CIO at any hour of the day to say, “We have a problem.”

Many firms have the security issue handled on a part time basis by people with a lot of other tasks competing for their time.

PolAgnostic on June 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

but if some of the companies involved turned out to be, say, insurers with access to people’s medical records — hoo boy.

IRS agents, armed, stormed an ins. co. recently, now being sued…took all the medical records, said they had court order, but didn’t.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Our Ruling Class knows what’s best for us…I for one, trust this government unconditionally…(just in case).

d1carter on June 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Did somebody get to Roberts to change his vote?

losarkos on June 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

And they still couldn’t find the Boston bombers?

It’s like the systems sole intent is population control and not for public safety.

the_nile on June 12, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Lets negate the last 6 years or so and start all over.

losarkos on June 12, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Did somebody get to Roberts to change his vote?

losarkos on June 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

He got an offer he couldn’t refuse. Reasonable man.

the_nile on June 12, 2013 at 5:31 PM

You would be racist, teabagging, wingnuts if we told you the real story.

aquaviva on June 12, 2013 at 5:31 PM

So Congress has now been “briefed”. Or is it that Congress has finally started asking questions while being “briefed”?

GarandFan on June 12, 2013 at 5:32 PM

We are so screwed.

AZCoyote on June 12, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Never give a power to the gov’t you wouldn’t have given to Stalin….

aniptofar on June 12, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Excellent. Should be on t-shirts and bumper stickers.

I like your handle. A nip too far. aniptofar. Sounds like the last time I made Chicken Marsala.

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Has definitely taken the IRS abuse of power off the front page.

a capella on June 12, 2013 at 5:33 PM

So Congress has now been “briefed”. Or is it that Congress has finally started asking questions while being “briefed”?

GarandFan on June 12, 2013 at 5:32 PM

They asked each other questions in their briefs.

They were wearing questionable briefs?

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Sanchez looks like she’s on heroin in that interview.

aquaviva on June 12, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Now if they told you the whole story you would be paranoid.

meci on June 12, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Yes.

Did somebody get to Roberts to change his vote?

losarkos on June 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Yes.

And they still couldn’t find the Boston bombers?

the_nile on June 12, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Exactly.

John the Libertarian on June 12, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Sanchez keeps saying…”These programs are legal”

PRISM = DNC Tarbaby

They must be swamped with millennial fanboy complaints.

Oh…was I being insensitive…

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Is she the woman that stole Bob Dornan’s seat?

Ward Cleaver on June 12, 2013 at 5:36 PM

We should all be wearing ti foil hats now.

aniptofar on June 12, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Those were apparently re-issued in time for the last election.

Don L on June 12, 2013 at 5:36 PM

If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place,” Eric Schmidt (Google) tells CNBC.

Boycott Google, Facebook and etc. May the huge lawsuits ruin the weasels. NOW they want to fight for your privacy rights, when their businesses are threatened, and after they bought and brought Obama.

The threat posed by weapons of mass destruction in the hands of terrorists justifies some extreme action, but the first step should be to neutralize the few hundred or few thousand people who pose the main threat – not to collect the kind of information that the American government is collecting on Americans.

- The government needs no warrant to buy access to most of your financial records
– The use of RFID chips enables sensors to detect most of what a person is wearing or carrying.
– Kevin Mitnick, the famous hacker who spent time in prison, claims that Bluetooth is an insecure technology and that it’s possible to infect a phone with software that will control the phone’s camera and microphone – especially if a hacker has physical access to the phone.
– Congress has mandated that every phone contains a GPS chip, so everyone’s location can be tracked (firmware in the phone broadcasts your location and other information to Google, Apple, et. al as well).
– The FBI used its Carnivore system, and now NarusInsight, to capture e-mail messages.
– Your lic. places are blitzed at each intersection and checkpoint. They know when/where you go, with whom.
– Smart meters monitor your water and toilet uses. They know when you are alone or when you have guests.
– The Post Office takes pictures, front and back, of each letter.
– Your Post Man and Garbage Man monitor a lot, their joints too.
-IRS and medical records, even without the IRS…might be revealed soon from NSA scandal
– Add your own…

The NSA can, or can not, identify leaks of information to the press using just phone numbers and the time and location of calls. Leakers do a lot of damage, but there’s a chilling effect preventing, or not, the monitoring of government behavior under this surveillance. It’s a tough choice, but it’s hard to trust the government now.

What’s telling is that they failed to stop the bombings at the Boston Marathon, in spite of warnings from the Russians and radical You Tube videos posted by the terrorists. They failed at Ft. Hood and in 3 other terrorist attacks since 9/11/01, in the US. It almost makes you believe that the primary goal of these programs is not to stop terrorism.

America’s best years are over. That China will teach the US ‘moral authority’ is the irony of all ironies.

Obama maliciously allowed destruction of all which was still good. GWB made huge mistakes but Obama aided the goons of the world, pretty transparently, if you care to look/see. To lose the moral authority of the world is huge. The rest of the world no longer respects the US. They snicker and wonder. The entire world, humanity, is poorer and more terrorized for it.

One can’t claim on the one hand that the war on terror is over and on the other help them succeed. See the entire ‘Arab spring’ and the surveillance debacle, which is just now unfolding. The war is over, but the terrists won.

And they are not finished, yet. Obama will go to Syria, lots of blood and treasure, to cover up his scandals, and to aid bad ones. All in Syria are the enemies of the US.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 5:37 PM

In Soviet Russia America, TV watches you!

Ward Cleaver on June 12, 2013 at 5:37 PM

but if some of the companies involved turned out to be, say, insurers with access to people’s medical records — hoo boy.

IRS agents, armed, stormed an ins. co. recently, now being sued…took all the medical records, said they had court order, but didn’t.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

IRS canceled the recent spy equipment order…

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Is Glenn Beck going to announce that 100,000,000 Americans are really space aliens? The gold market is about to crash and we should invest in mercury?

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM

We should all be wearing ti foil hats now.

aniptofar on June 12, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Those were apparently re-issued in time for the last election.

Don L on June 12, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Buy Aluminum…

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Sanchez keeps saying…”These programs are legal”

PRISM = DNC Tarbaby

They must be swamped with millennial fanboy complaints.

Oh…was I being insensitive…

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:35 PM

It’s the talking point they want to push , but who says it’s legal? IRS?

the_nile on June 12, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Never trust a politician, especially a liberal one from the Democrat Party.

If you want to see what I mean, I point to the HA trolls as evidence and example.

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 5:39 PM

I sure do miss Ronald Reagan. :-(

Punchenko on June 12, 2013 at 5:39 PM

We’ve already seen a few reps scramble to CYA-let the flood gates open.

Mr. Arrogant on June 12, 2013 at 5:40 PM

You would be racist, teabagging, wingnuts if we told you the real story.

aquaviva on June 12, 2013 at 5:31 PM

“We are all racist, teabagging, wingnuts now.”

Ward Cleaver on June 12, 2013 at 5:41 PM

How could they possibly be astounded?

If the U.S. can ignore all of it’s laws and international laws against torture, unlawful renditions, indefinite detention with no charges or trial or the opportunity to see evidence against you, drones, assignations etc, then it can certainly ignore laws that prevent it from spying on its own citizens. Duh!

In 2001 the leading opponents of the patriot act, (Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and Sen. Russ Feingold), argued that the Government had already been conducting wireless surveillance, before 9/11, which did not prevent the 9/11 attack and therefore was unnecessary and unconstitutional. But then both Democratic U.S. Senators, received anthrax in their offices from (USAMRIID), Fort Detrick, Maryland.

JustTheFacts on June 12, 2013 at 5:41 PM

I sure do miss Ronald Reagan. :-(

Punchenko on June 12, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Amen, brother.

Ward Cleaver on June 12, 2013 at 5:42 PM

I sure do miss Ronald Reagan. :-(

Punchenko on June 12, 2013 at 5:39 PM

You aren’t alone.

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 5:42 PM

I sure do miss Ronald Reagan. :-(

Punchenko on June 12, 2013 at 5:39 PM

“Mr. Gorbachov. Tear down this wall.”

“I will not take advantage of my opponent’s youth and lack of inexperience.”

“We proclaimed a dream of an America that would be a Shining City on a Hill”

Miss him too.

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Oops – “Lack of experience.”

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Sanchez seems to be a little coy and goofy in that vid…

d1carter on June 12, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Of course the Dems are alarmed.

They know what this means…..

If everyone and everything is being data mined, some of their best customers should be close to freak-out mode.

Think about it. The data they are mining from mid-western farmers is about crop yields and county fairs.

The data they are mining from Wall Street, from Fairfax County, Virginia, from Montgomery County, Maryland from Beverly Hills and Malibu, from San Francisco, From Berkeley and Boulder and Madison,
from the street thug gangsters in Chicago, from the Mexican cartel on the southern border, etc.

I bet that data is a lot more interesting than anything a Tea Partier has to say.

The data has already been gathered.

MichaelGabriel on June 12, 2013 at 5:44 PM

I live near her district, believe me when I tell you her constituents are as stupid as her.

newportmike on June 12, 2013 at 5:44 PM

I sure do miss Ronald Reagan. :-(

Punchenko on June 12, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Missing Reagan is like missing my late dad.

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 5:44 PM

The NSA spying was already known and reported on for several years so the Dems are lying when they say they are “astounded”.

NSA Domestic Surveillance Began BEFORE 9/11 see here: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/10/nsa-asked-for-p/ and here; http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=abIV0cO64zJE and here; http://rawstory.com/news/2007/ATT_engineer_says_Bush_Administration_sought_1216.html

JustTheFacts on June 12, 2013 at 5:45 PM

What’s telling is that they failed to stop the bombings at the Boston Marathon, in spite of warnings from the Russians and radical You Tube videos posted by the terrorists. They failed at Ft. Hood and in 3 other terrorist attacks since 9/11/01, in the US. It almost makes you believe that the primary goal of these programs is not to stop terrorism.
Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 5:37 PM

I think the programs as designed were originally in place for International Terrorism.

That’s why (F) stands for Foreign in FISA.

But Il Duce never wastes a potential opportunity if it will benefit his interests….Typical Despotic calculation and justification.

He found out about the scope once he was in office and ramped it up because Obamacare was comin’ down the pike.

By the time 2010 happened…It wasn’t that hard to link agencies within the executive to implement coercion where it counted.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:45 PM

If they withheld something and then the world found out thanks to Snowden,, a lot of angry senators and representatives would want to know why they were kept in the dark.

They s/b furious for having been kept in the dark all along. The founders knew about tyranny of the executive. That’s why they put the checks and balances in place.

The people of the land should rise. Fools represent them in DC, granted that every one is elected by the stupid people.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM

Did Sanchez have a few drinks before she did that vid…or is she always that goofy?

d1carter on June 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM

If they withheld something and then the world found out thanks to Snowden,, a lot of angry senators and representatives would want to know why they were kept in the dark.

And would promptly be told: “it all depends on what you mean by ‘dark’. “

PackerBronco on June 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM

The only two things ‘astounding’ liberals about the spying is that they got caught at it, and there’s a (however small) backlash against it.

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM

I live near her district, believe me when I tell you her constituents are as stupid as her.

newportmike on June 12, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Ok, that explains it. LOL

d1carter on June 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM

By the time 2010 happened…It wasn’t that hard to link agencies within the executive to implement coercion where it counted.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Are you saying that the ends justified the means? Democrats would do that? They would run right over their own ideology to… implement their ideology?

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM

From the Morell thread

Remember when Nixon said “I am not a crook”?

When everyone in government is a crook, top to bottom, who makes the arrest?

fogw on June 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Those astounded Dems must have forgotten how it was reported in the 80’s that hundreds of millions of dollars were being used at the time on computer surveillance. It was even being challenged by some congressmen in the 80’s that the computer surveillance of phone calls, purchases, credit card transactions, health information, employment history, travel and student records,was unconstitutional. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cAWmKpBeEz0

Similar Wiretapping 30 Years Ago:
At the time, Rumsfeld was defense secretary, Kissinger was secretary of state, Scowcroft was the White House national security and Bush was then director of the CIA.

George H.W. Bush, then director of the CIA, wanted to ensure “no unnecessary diminution of collection of important foreign intelligence” under the proposal to require judges to approve terror wiretaps, according to a March 1976 memorandum he wrote to the Justice Department. Bush also complained that some major communications companies were unwilling to install government wiretaps without a judge’s approval. Such a refusal “seriously affects the capabilities of the intelligence community,” Bush wrote.

Also documented are objections by Rumsfeld, Henry Kissinger and Brent Scowcroft over the scope of a provision to require judicial oversight of wiretaps.

JustTheFacts on June 12, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Sanchez keeps saying…”These programs are legal”

PRISM = DNC Tarbaby

They must be swamped with millennial fanboy complaints.

Oh…was I being insensitive…

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:35 PM

It’s the talking point they want to push , but who says it’s legal? IRS?

the_nile on June 12, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Must have happened when domestic became foreign…and when journalists became co-conspirators.

When the author of the Patriot Act says it’s a gross abuse of the law & is illegal…Obama has a problemo and so does any memeber of congress defending him.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:50 PM

When everyone in government is a crook, top to bottom, who makes the arrest?

fogw on June 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

One of those with ‘oversight’, as bluegill keeps telling us?

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 5:50 PM

By the time 2010 happened…It wasn’t that hard to link agencies within the executive to implement coercion where it counted.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Are you saying that the ends justified the means? Democrats would do that? They would run right over their own ideology to… implement their ideology?

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Doubleplusgood!

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Sanchez is always a dumb cow.

“This is legal, bla, bla, bla”

If Bush were still president she’d have a calf.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 5:52 PM

I wonder how well this and all other Federal data is networked such that it can all be searched with a single query. Thus, would a quick search on Tommyboy going back three months pull up my banking, IRS, medical, phone, internet, banking and debit card data all in one very revealing report. And who has access to it.

tommyboy on June 12, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Dem rep: We were “astounded” by what we heard in our new classified briefing about surveillance

What exactly didya hear amiga that astounded an idiot like you ?
That Hussein has oedered NSA to NOT to listen in to jihadies inside USA ?
Or that NSA knows about your conversations with laraza and lafamilia neustra ?

burrata on June 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM

He got an offer he couldn’t refuse. Reasonable man.

the_nile on June 12, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Rather than taking Luca Brasi, Obama visited Chief Justice Roberts with a geek operating an iPad.

BuckeyeSam on June 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM

If Bush were still president she’d have a calf.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 5:52 PM

With two heads.

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 5:53 PM

Doubleplusgood!

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:51 PM

I’m really trying to catch on to this “newspeak”. It’s hard.

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM

I watched some of the Senate App hearing today…Alexander said that it was all good, no worries. They need more money and maybe review the fact that we use contractors. I felt much better.

d1carter on June 12, 2013 at 5:56 PM

JustTheFacts on June 12, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Maybe similar in principle…but not scope.

PRISM makes Obama Master of his Domain…and just about everyone else’s.

That’s why we’re seeing European politicians freek out…not because they didn’t know about it (They’ve probably already paid their vassal tribute)…But because they didn’t expect to have to answer to their citizens about it.

Totalitarianism is hard when things don’t run according to the schedule…

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:56 PM

I’m really trying to catch on to this “newspeak”. It’s hard.

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 5:54 PM

Wait till you try Obamaspeak. Meanings and definitions change every few minutes. You need to smoke pot all the time to be able to figure it out.

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Every step you take
Every move you make
Obama’s Stasi will be watching you

Every word you say
Every night and day
Obama’s Stasi will be watching you

VorDaj on June 12, 2013 at 5:57 PM

I wonder how well this and all other Federal data is networked such that it can all be searched with a single query. Thus, would a quick search on Tommyboy going back three months pull up my banking, IRS, medical, phone, internet, banking and debit card data all in one very revealing report. And who has access to it.

tommyboy on June 12, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Sure. Probably web page that has one box and a text title “search”.

Probably looks suspiciously like google. It would have politically scored “better” listings down the right side, and listings that score higher yet (as noted by NSA, FBI etc.) at the top.

So if you were looking for “right wing nut jobs” you’d get a list of hotair commenters with maybe a few off to the right or the top with a “higher” score.

Why re-invent the wheel?

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM

“tip of the iceberg.”

All of the data is useless unless it is mined to place each and every one of us into a specific psychological and political profile…

These profiles would no doubt be shared with enforcement agencies of the government, like the IRS, DHS, EPA, etc. in the event that any of us decided to enter the political ring to challenge their place and power.

… Of course a small amount of dissent would be authorized to keep the illusion of a free Representative Republic alive, but the schools have already been taken over, along with the press and media. Congress has been told that if they want to keep their position, what the new game rules are.

This is what you get when Leftist Marxist Socialist is allowed to hold the reins of power…

… And the truth is hidden from the American people until it is too late.

Looks like Mr. Monday got his wish and fundamentally changed the United States of America…

… It is paradise, no?

Seven Percent Solution on June 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Celebrate!!!

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM

One of those with ‘oversight’, as bluegill keeps telling us?

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Ain’t it the truth. I saw Rove on a show on Monday night screaming about the legality of all of this and that misuse is illegal blah blah blah. WTF? We’re seeing first hand from the Obama administration that there are no repercussions for a liberal administration. They’re frankly sneering in our face. And a solid 35% of the country say, “So what?” even if Obama’s in the wrong. Meanwhile, about 30% are sheep or for some other reason indifferent. And only 35% are actually pissed off.

BuckeyeSam on June 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Obama’s bunk

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Exit question: How is that we can bug virtually the entire Internet but Clapper’s going around saying things like this about our cyberdefenses?

Well what do you prioritize?

Securing our existing infrastructure from attack?
Checking out the youtube page views for all Americans?

Once you sort out where “securing infrastructure from cyberattack” falls in their priority list; you can realize why it’s at a “3/10″ rating.

gekkobear on June 12, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Why re-invent the wheel?

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Because liberals think they can do it better.

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Speak Walk Talk Act Breath like someones watching.

portlandon on June 12, 2013 at 6:00 PM

And only 35% are actually pissed off.

BuckeyeSam on June 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Those are the ones the liberals and the indifferent want locked up.

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 6:02 PM

This is what you get when Leftist Marxist Socialist is allowed to hold the reins of power…

… And the truth is hidden from the American people until it is too late.

Looks like Mr. Monday got his wish and fundamentally changed the United States of America…

… It is paradise, no?

Seven Percent Solution on June 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Hussein’s tactics are marxist,
but his goals are islamic.

burrata on June 12, 2013 at 6:02 PM

…and listings that score higher yet (as noted by NSA, FBI etc.) at the top.

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Sorry. I forgot the IRS, the EPA, the State Dept. the Dept. of Education, Energy…

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 6:02 PM

This is America?

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 6:04 PM

I wonder how well this and all other Federal data is networked such that it can all be searched with a single query. Thus, would a quick search on Tommyboy going back three months pull up my banking, IRS, medical, phone, internet, banking and debit card data all in one very revealing report. And who has access to it.

tommyboy on June 12, 2013 at 5:52 PM

We don’t know…yet…But a rational person would be concerned and base that concern on available facts and the actions of those in power…Many of whom are so caughtup in their doublethink and doublespeak they don’t even try to make sense anymore, they just react to the next instant meme.

It’s Orwell on steroids for an ADHD generation…onto the next meme as soon as the Media decides the current formula for attention spans has been exhausted.

The political equivalent of a glandular explosion…Or cognitive dissonance on a massive scale.

This is happening ahead of schedule folks…so maybe there’s hope or it gets ugly faster.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Poor European fools – the cheered for Adolf Obama.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Surprised, huh?

And thus the point I’ve been trying to make.

Amidst all the hysteria about the “leak” and charges leveled, the difference between Bradley Manning and Snowden is that Manning released documents (high-level memos and communiques, unscreened, in the millions), but all Snowden released was documents revealing that the government was keeping records of US civilians.

EVERYBODY who wanted to harm the US knew, or should have assumed, that the US government was doing this.

It’s the American people who should be incenced that they are being targeted.

Significant distinction. There’s no hypocrisy in condemning Manning’s leaks and yet applauding Snowden’s leak.

flicker on June 12, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Well, there’s a thought: Rep. Steve Stockman has a timely request for the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. The Texas Republican notes in a letter to Chairman Darrell E. Issa: “Recent revelations [show] the National Security Agency has been keeping an ‘ongoing, daily’ log of every domestic phone call in the United States. I respectfully request your Committee subpoena the records of every phone call made from all public and private telephones of all IRS personnel to all public and private telephones of all White House personnel.”

The lawmaker adds, “If President Obama is collecting such information, he certainly would want us to use it. If he has nothing to hide he has nothing to be afraid of.”

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 6:09 PM

HIPPA.

Does it matter anymore? Would Obama crap on one of Bill Clinton’s signature pieces of legislation? Si Su Peude, Mang!

Key West Reader on June 12, 2013 at 6:11 PM

We are so screwed.

AZCoyote on June 12, 2013 at 5:32 PM

Yep.

FUBAR

The Keystone Cops, aka Chicago Thug Politicians out of control and on display. I often posed the question as to how Chicago Cesspool politics would play on a national level. And here we are. They are provincial thugs who, when given the reins, go into overdrive.

Welcome to tyranny.

Cody1991 on June 12, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Hussein’s tactics are marxist,
but his goals are islamic.

burrata on June 12, 2013 at 6:02 PM

His goals are Totalitarian.

If Islam is a handy mechanic…he’ll use it as long as it helps him.

Fascists think like that.

Obama is not capable of any loyalty to a religion or a supreme being…because that would compete with his worship of himself.

But Mohammed invented Allah for the same purpose…got him pretty far and in his phony religion people are killed if they criticize the one and only true prophet.

I don’t think Obama can be the fabled and mysterious Mahdi…cause he’s Black…not of pure quality arabic blood.

The Mohammedians are racial purists within Islam…one of many of their dark little secrets. Help establish the caliphate and then sell the less pure tribes into slavery.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

@workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:56 PM

It wasn’t a similar program. It was the exact same program!

PRSIM has been around since the 1970′s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29#History

PRSIM was assisting the NSA on Domestic Surveillance BEFORE 9/11 see here: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/10/nsa-asked-for-p/ and here; http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=abIV0cO64zJE and here; http://rawstory.com/news/2007/ATT_engineer_says_Bush_Administration_sought_1216.html

JustTheFacts on June 12, 2013 at 6:13 PM

@workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:56 PM

It wasn’t a similar program. It was the exact same program!

PRSIM has been around since the 1970′s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29#History

PRSIM was assisting the NSA on Domestic Surveillance BEFORE 9/11 see here; and here; and here; and here:

JustTheFacts on June 12, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Poor European fools – the cheered for Adolf Obama.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 6:06 PM

The EU politicians thought he would be manageable…either by his party or by them.

But then again Europeans are still stuck in their romance with themselves.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Oh, you mean it’s much “broader” than we’re being LIED TO about.

There, fixed that for you.

Meople on June 12, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Since 7 months BEFORE 9/11 the NSA and PRSIM have run the exact same program that they are running today! See here: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/10/nsa-asked-for-p/ and here; http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=abIV0cO64zJE and here; http://rawstory.com/news/2007/ATT_engineer_says_Bush_Administration_sought_1216.html

JustTheFacts on June 12, 2013 at 6:18 PM

@workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 5:56 PM

It wasn’t a similar program. It was the exact same program!

PRSIM has been around since the 1970′s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29#History

PRSIM was assisting the NSA on Domestic Surveillance BEFORE 9/11 see here; and here; and here; and here:

JustTheFacts on June 12, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Sorry…I guess I got confused by your GHW Bush reference.

It wouldn’t surprise me anyhow…

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Since 7 months BEFORE 9/11 the NSA and PRSIM have run the exact same program that they are running today! See here: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/10/nsa-asked-for-p/ and here; http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=abIV0cO64zJE and here; http://rawstory.com/news/2007/ATT_engineer_says_Bush_Administration_sought_1216.html

JustTheFacts on June 12, 2013 at 6:18 PM

So what is your guess about the catalyst?

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 5:37 PM

You left out the facial recognition of your companions through the turning on of your cell phone camera.

flicker on June 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

In all fairness, she is a total loon, so let’s take her words with a big grain of salt.

PattyJ on June 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

You left out the facial recognition of your companions through the turning on of your cell phone camera.

flicker on June 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Why I provided an “add your own” choice :)

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

When everyone in government is a crook, top to bottom, who makes the arrest?

fogw on June 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM

One of those with ‘oversight’, as bluegill keeps telling us?

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 5:50 PM

Remember when Algore told us about “No controlling legal authority?” When he got away with that statement the de was cast. They always signal their attentions, we just don’t think they would really do it. “The problem, dear Brutus is not in our stars, it is in our selves.”

yesiamapirate on June 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

I don’t think anything that member of Congress learned would be “astounding” to anyone on an Intelligence Committee or in the intelligence community. There is a huge amount of information available on people, some of it freely available for purchase.

One thing needs to be corrected:

“Former NSA official turned whistleblower William Binney has used that phrase too ”

No, he is not a “whistleblower”. He worked at NSA for many years and was working on a project for a long time for collection of data on the Internet. A rival project within NSA was chosen for further funding and development (Trailblazer) and his project was terminated. He was apparently furious. Sometimes very smart people act that way when something they have devoted a lot of time to gets cast aside. He apparently had a major tantrum, quit NSA, and then went on a crusade against NSA in general and Trailblazer in particular.

Binney hasn’t worked at NSA in 12 years. He knows absolutely nothing about what has gone on since 9/11 and because of his adversarial relationship, has likely been cut out of the social loop with others there. He is speculating and he is on a mission to damage NSA in any way he can, so keep that in mind when he spouts off with things.

In fact, it is quite likely that many of the projects he is familiar with are long retired. Technology changes rapidly and 12 years is a long time for something to stay around in this age.

crosspatch on June 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Since 7 months BEFORE 9/11 the NSA and PRSIM have run the exact same program that they are running today!

JustTheFacts on June 12, 2013 at 6:18 PM

I don’t care if it started under Woodrow Wilson, it’s still wrong, wrong, wrong!!! And I don’t believe for one second that it’s all just the same.

VorDaj on June 12, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Looks like Mr. Monday got his wish and fundamentally changed the United States of America…

… It is paradise, no?

Seven Percent Solution on June 12, 2013 at 5:59 PM

As Gulags go…it’s pretty comfy for now.

Anybody seen that Il Duce has secretly upped the carbon tax?

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Yeah, I was just kicking that in.

You pretty well summed up one aspect of the downfall, the boot on the neck, of America.

Another twenty or thirty of your posts and you’ll have the table of contents for your next book.

flicker on June 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM

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