Dem rep: We were “astounded” by what we heard in our new classified briefing about surveillance

posted at 5:21 pm on June 12, 2013 by Allahpundit

A simple case of a liberal trying to impress the lefty base with her innocence about the surveillance state or proof that O and the NSA really are up to more than anyone thought? Well, she’s specific in saying that there are things happening that go beyond what’s been publicly revealed. (Although maybe not for long: Remember, Glenn Greenwald’s promised further leaks.) Read Ed’s post this morning about other members of Congress sounding grim and you’ll see she’s not the only one on whom the classified briefings made an impression. Nor is she the only person lately to refer to data-mining of phone records and Internet communications as the “tip of the iceberg.” Former NSA official turned whistleblower William Binney has used that phrase too in describing what he suspects is the full scope of federal record-harvesting. I think that’s what Sanchez is probably getting at here — it’s the sheer scope of what they’re vacuuming up that would blow our minds if we knew, not necessarily that they’re using technologies we weren’t aware of. Marc Ambinder wrote the other day that it’s 50 companies that are being trawled for data by the feds, not just the big nine identified on the PRISM Powerpoint. Having that fact confirmed probably wouldn’t change the public’s opinion of NSA surveillance much, I suspect, but if some of the companies involved turned out to be, say, insurers with access to people’s medical records — hoo boy.

Here’s the clip via the Hill. Michael Hayden told TPM yesterday that the NSA probably knows by now exactly what data Snowden has in his possession and therefore what leaks are still to come. Maybe that forced the agency to reveal more than they initially wanted to in their briefings this week with Congress: If they withheld something and then the world found out thanks to Snowden,, a lot of angry senators and representatives would want to know why they were kept in the dark. Exit question: How is that we can bug virtually the entire Internet but Clapper’s going around saying things like this about our cyberdefenses?


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All I know is this American Citizen was never informed or consulted about widespread domestic surveillance of American Citizens.

Nope.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 6:30 PM

The Mohammedians are racial purists within Islam…one of many of their dark little secrets. Help establish the caliphate and then sell the less pure tribes into slavery.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

No wonder, both saud as well as the turkish Cardigan are competing for Hussein’s attention !

burrata on June 12, 2013 at 6:31 PM

PRSIM was assisting the NSA on Domestic Surveillance BEFORE 9/11:
JustTheFacts on June 12, 2013 at 6:14 PM

I think you need to reread your Wiki link:

re: PRISM
Its creation was enabled by the Protect America Act of 2007 under President Bush and the FISA Amendments Act of 2008

There were other programs before 2001, but PRISM wasn’t one of them.

whatcat on June 12, 2013 at 6:31 PM

I’m still trying to figure out how they turned John Roberts.

flicker on June 12, 2013 at 6:33 PM

On a personal note, capitalizing muslim, muhammedan and islam is unnecessary respect.

flicker on June 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM

What r the odds on some of these “contractors” also writing code for Narhwal?

can_con on June 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

When the first NSA whistleblower came out he said you had no idea what they were vacuuming up. I had a slight clue but was resistant to believe the amount of detailed data stored forever. Until the technology started ramping up.

Now if they told me they were seeing how much I peed this morning by measuring the amount of water level rose in my toilet I’d believe them.

As for metadata and the privacy and the fighting terrorism polls being taken you will see a steady decline in the favorability rating as the details sink in. You tell someone now and try to explain it to them and their eyes glaze over. It’s too much. I told a guy today, and he’s a techie type- Iphone and all- and even he winced. “All of it??!”

Yep, all of it.

archer52 on June 12, 2013 at 7:04 PM

A simple case of a liberal trying to impress the lefty base with her innocence about the surveillance state or proof that O and the NSA really are up to more than anyone thought?

..gimme a break, AP. Sanchez is one of the four dumbest women in Congress (and most likely the face of the earth). figures that this retard tool would be from Santa Ana, California.

G*d D*mn Bob Dornan!

The War Planner on June 12, 2013 at 7:10 PM

..all four of ‘em, by the way, are from California.

The War Planner on June 12, 2013 at 7:10 PM

If they withheld something and then the world found out thanks to Snowden, a lot of angry senators and representatives would want to know why they were kept in the dark.

Has that made a difference when that’s happened before?

Patrick Ishmael on June 12, 2013 at 7:18 PM

“If I know every single phone call you made I’m able to determine every single person you talk to. I can get a pattern about your life that is very, very intrusive. The real question here is what do they do with this information they collect that does not have anything to do with Al-Qaeda? And we’re going to trust the president and the vice president of the United States that they’re doing the right thing. Don’t count me in on that.“

- Joe Biden, 2006

But, we’re supposed to trust this administration. No thanks.

Resist We Much on June 12, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Well, the good news is that they are collecting so much information, that the odds of them looking at my specific information are pretty low. Then again, maybe they really like to know how I’m trying to get authorization to return a second defective laptop in a row.

The bad news is… uhm… well, everything else. That anyone can possibly defend this program in any way, shape, manner, or form is beyond my comprehension.

I do believe that Bush and Obama have different motives — Bush was concerned about security for the sake of the country; Obama is concerned about his own political power and only cares about security inasmuch as it affects that. But the motives are irrelevant. The Constitution does not, anywhere, say “unless the person has really good intentions.”

Shump on June 12, 2013 at 7:24 PM

@workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 6:20 PM

I assume that your asking why the domestic spying program was in place before 9/11.

A large part of the program was already in place since the 70′s but the program kept growing until it became what we know today in early 2001 because of the planed invasion of Afghanistan BEFORE 9/11.

Bush ordered plans to be drawn up in May 2001 for the invasion of Afghanistan. The May 2001 plan to oust the Taliban called for military operations to begin in OCTOBER 2001.

According to Condoleezza Rice, testifying before the 9/11 commission, Bush AUTHORIZED ON SEPTEMBER 4, 2001 the MAY 2001 plan to launch military operations in OCTOBER 2001 to oust the Taliban. And it directed the Secretary of Defense (NOT the cia) for military operations “against Taliban targets in Afghanistan, including leadership, command-control, air and air defense, ground forces, and logistics”.

The May 2001 plan was widely reported in June 2001 from several news agencies that gave very specific details that the US would begin military operations in “OCTOBER 2001” “from bases in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, where American advisers were already in place” assisting the Northern Alliance “in a concerted front against Afghanistan’s Taliban regime.” Where countries like “India is supplying the Northern Alliance with military equipment, advisers, and helicopter technicians” to “topple the Taliban regime and install a transitional government”.

“The wider objective was to oust the Taliban”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm

military action to overthrow the Taliban
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001…n.september113

The man who was most influential in the plans to occupy Afghanistan was himself a former Unocal exec and was responsible for picking Hamid Karzai, the former Unocal consultant, as head of the interim government who subsequently was elected President of Afghanistan, and welcomed the first U.S. envoy—-Mr. John J. Maresca, Vice President for International Relations of the Unocal Corporation, who had implored Congress two years previously to have the Taliban overthrown. Mr. Maresca was succeeded by Mr. Zalmay Khalilzad—-also a former Unocal consultant.

The CIA station Chief Robert Grenier confirmed the Taliban offered to hand OBL over and Elmar Brok, a German member of the European Parliament, confirmed that he helped Kabir Mohabbat, a consultant to the National Security Council, (who also confirms Taliban tried to hand over OBL), make contact with the US government after the Taliban had arrested OBL.

All three confirm that Minister Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil told the US officials “You can have him (OBL) whenever the Americans are ready. Name us a country and we will extradite him.” But according to the German member of the European Parliament, Elmar Brok, and Robert Grenier, the CIA station chief in Pakistan and Kabir Mohabbat a consultant to the National Security Council, a “political decision” was made by the Bush administration NOT to except the handover.

Kabir Mohabbat, a consultant to the National Security Council, said that for the next three meetings he became embarrassed that he had to repeatedly turn down the Taliban and could only apologize because the Bush Administration was not yet willing to accept the handover. (But the plans to out the Taliban had been drawn up and vetted)

The Taliban also proposed to hold bin Laden, who was at this time a prisoner, in one location long enough for the US to locate and kill him. According to Kabir Mohabbat and Elmar Brok, a German member of the European Parliament, the Taliban became so frustrated that they even offered to pay the US for the missile strike on Bin Laden. However, this offer was also refused by US officials. Despite that Clarke had been pushing for several months that the US use predator drones to collect data in Afghanistan and take out/kill OBL but Tenet said the only way the CIA will operate the predator drones was “over my dead body.” (Two weeks after the Taliban plead for the last time for the US to Take OBL off their hands Bush approves the plan to oust the Taliban on SEPTEMBER 4)

JustTheFacts on June 12, 2013 at 7:26 PM

‘Toonalicious ‘Toon: The ‘Eyes’ Have It

‘Toon of the Day: Then, The Wheels Came Off

Resist We Much on June 12, 2013 at 5:25 PM

It is such a pleasure to have you here.

katy the mean old lady on June 12, 2013 at 7:32 PM

The War Planner on June 12, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Yeah..she’s a smart one. Typical arrogant leftie moron imo.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/apr/13/repsanchez-mock-freshman-lawmakers-dumb/

Mimzey on June 12, 2013 at 7:45 PM

On a personal note, capitalizing muslim, muhammedan and islam is unnecessary respect.

flicker on June 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Respect for the language requires capitals even absent respect for the things: after all, we capitalize ‘Nazi’.

PersonFromPorlock on June 12, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Resist We Much on June 12, 2013 at 7:20 PM

Good catch on that one! Kinda fun to shove it back in the faces of libs who seem to have no problem with it now.

All politics aside – this isn’t acceptable regardless of who’s in office.

Hill60 on June 12, 2013 at 7:54 PM

It’s like the systems sole intent is population control and not for public safety.

the_nile on June 12, 2013 at 5:30 PM

That is the intent, plain and simple, since January 20, 2009.

PatriotGal2257 on June 12, 2013 at 7:58 PM

we capitalize ‘Nazi’.

PersonFromPorlock on June 12, 2013 at 7:51 PM

No, but we deliberately mispronounce it. Nawww-Zeez

flicker on June 12, 2013 at 7:59 PM

I’m still trying to figure out how they turned John Roberts.

flicker on June 12, 2013 at 6:33 PM

+1

IlikedAUH2O on June 12, 2013 at 8:00 PM

There were other programs before 2001, but PRISM wasn’t one of them.

whatcat on June 12, 2013 at 6:31 PM

The program names Omnivore and Carnivore come to mind.

ajacksonian on June 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Hard to believe the idiot is occupying the seat of one of the greatest Congressman California ever had “B1″Bob Dornan.He would be rolling over in his grave seeing the cesspool Orange County has become.

jeffinsjvca on June 12, 2013 at 8:49 PM

All politics aside – this isn’t acceptable regardless of who’s in office.

Hill60 on June 12, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Ahh yes, of course, but how convenient that you’ve only just started paying attention. Here’s something you missed earlier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office

What’s that song?

Oh yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufqlbaurJPw

bileduct on June 12, 2013 at 9:00 PM

The fuse is lit.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 9:02 PM

I’m still trying to figure out how they turned John Roberts.

flicker on June 12, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Check Internet rumors about his lifestyle. They must have video.

alanstern on June 12, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Remember the original NSA whistle blower Russell D. Tice?

He leaked info to the press in 2005 that that the NSA and the DIA were engaged in unlawful and unconstitutional wiretaps on American citizens.

Tice claimed that spying on Americans involved a massive computer system known as ECHELON, which is able to search and filter millions of phone calls and e-mails in a matter of seconds.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan refused to comment on the story on December 16, 2005 exclaiming “there’s a reason why we don’t get into discussing ongoing intelligence activities, because it could compromise our efforts to prevent attacks from happening.”

In reaction to Tice’s claims, Republicans demanded that he be tried as a traitor and right-wing talking heads like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly, launched an offensive against his credibility. On his Fox News broadcast of January 11, 2006, O’Reilly said that Tice should be jailed for his whistleblowing activity.

Russell D. Tice also testified that while he worked for the NSA communications of journalists(and entire news organizations)were being recorded 24/7.

But he was called a traitor by the right and a hero by the left.

JustTheFacts on June 12, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Yeah, member when the DNC/MSM was bragging about the O campaigns data mining campaign skills right after the 2012 election. Congrats taxpayers, you payed for it.

antipc on June 12, 2013 at 9:48 PM

First, if the PRISM program and all the rest of the government’s surveillance programs were so good and necessary, then why didn’t the feds catch the Tsarnaev brothers, who earlier this year blew up the Boston Marathon?

Government [fill in the blank] programs are ineffective because they are Government programs.

SparkPlug on June 12, 2013 at 10:07 PM

Snoop Benghazi Millhouse Obama plays golf for free while we are paying to be spied on.

SparkPlug on June 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Fun Fact Of The Day: Mosque’s Are Off-Limits To Obama’s Snooping…Thankfully there’s no such thing as Islamic terrorism…Unreal.

The White House assures that tracking our every phone call and keystroke is to stop terrorists, and yet it won’t snoop in mosques, where the terrorists are. That’s right, the government’s sweeping surveillance of our most private communications excludes the jihad factories where homegrown terrorists are radicalized. Weasel Zippers

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/06/12/fun-fact-of-the-day-mosques-are-off-limits-to-obamas-snooping/

Zcat on June 12, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Thunder and lightning, very, very frightening…

claudius on June 12, 2013 at 11:09 PM

I guess the government looking up you skirt, just because they can, is the new normal.

Axion on June 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM

I’m still trying to figure out how they turned John Roberts.

flicker on June 12, 2013 at 6:33 PM

What do you think? They spied on him and got some dirt on him.

The Rogue Tomato on June 13, 2013 at 12:10 AM

What r the odds on some of these “contractors” also writing code for Narhwal?

can_con on June 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

What are the odds this was funneling data into Narhwal?

Voyager on June 13, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Sanchez, she would be astounded, ordering lunch.

narciso on June 13, 2013 at 1:20 AM

This is Loretta Sanchez. She’s not exactly the brightest bulb on the tree. I wouldn’t put too much into anything she says.

bluegill on June 13, 2013 at 6:24 AM

This is Loretta Sanchez. She’s not exactly the brightest bulb on the tree. I wouldn’t put too much into anything she says.

bluegill on June 13, 2013 at 6:24 AM

This is bluegill. She loves government snooping.

I wouldn’t put too much into anything she says.

Grace_is_sufficient on June 13, 2013 at 7:03 AM

Loretta Sanchez is astounded every morning when she flips a switch and lights suddenly come on.

What a dim bulb!

Adjoran on June 13, 2013 at 7:14 AM

Don’t worry wench. You can still scrape out that uterus and abort that third trimester baby.

That’s what really counts doesn’t it?

acyl72 on June 13, 2013 at 7:22 AM

ECHELON is the term popularly used for an automated global interception and relay system operated by the intelligence agencies in five nations: the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand (it is believed that ECHELON is the code name for the portion of the system that intercepts satellite-based communications). While the United States National Security Agency (NSA) takes the lead, ECHELON works in conjunction with other intelligence agencies, including the Australian Defence Signals Directorate (DSD). It is believed that ECHELON also works with Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and the agencies of other allies of the United States, pursuant to various treaties. (1)

These countries coordinate their activities pursuant to the UKUSA agreement, which dates back to 1947

amr on June 13, 2013 at 7:43 AM

If a dummy like Loretta knows…

right2bright on June 13, 2013 at 7:47 AM

The Roberts thing is interesting…I remember that there were comments about how the opinion was written – hastily, with changes – and such. I am hearing that he is dc and not ac…and his kids were adopted…With all the surveillance and etc….and billions and billions of dollars riding on it, I am sure it really isn’t a stretch to think “something” or someone put an influence on him…an offer he couldn’t refuse, so to speak.

bill glass on June 13, 2013 at 10:18 AM

It’s a lot easier to record the endpoints and time of a phone call than the connections on a packet network like the Internet.

The Government claims to be collecting over a billion phone call metadata records per day. Imagine multiplying that number by another billion. That’s what you get if you try to deal with the records associated with IP connections — TCP, UDP, ICMP…

Plus, to do so, you have to deal with deep packet inspection, not with some phone company protocol for connecting calls.

If I were the Government, the only IP packets I’d be concerned about would be those connecting with known bad sites, including the TOR network.

unclesmrgol on June 13, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Did somebody get to Roberts to change his vote?

If what I read is true, Roberts should be removed from the bench immediately. if he can be blackmailed into changing his vote, this is a tyrannical dissolution of the separation of powers.

He is a disgrace to the bench. The rumor is his children were illegally adopted. He folds like an envelope when O calls him.

Rep. Schock, Sen. Graham, and others who capitulate to blackmail need to come clean or resign .

Lothar on June 13, 2013 at 11:00 AM

If they withheld something and then the world found out thanks to Snowden,, a lot of angry senators and representatives would want to know why they were kept in the dark.

What difference, at this point, does it make. Has Issa asked Ms. Lerner to reappear for another bite at the apple? Kinda makes the point doesn’t it.

Kissmygrits on June 13, 2013 at 12:00 PM

If what I read is true, Roberts should be removed from the bench immediately. if he can be blackmailed into changing his vote, this is a tyrannical dissolution of the separation of powers.

If Roberts was removed from the bench, his replacement would be named by Obama and confirmed by a Senate with 55 Democrats. Careful what you wish for–another Kagan or “wise Latina”?

Steve Z on June 13, 2013 at 12:05 PM

If Roberts was removed from the bench, his replacement would be named by Obama and confirmed by a Senate with 55 Democrats. Careful what you wish for–another Kagan or “wise Latina”?

How about Barry name a wise transgender, or an Asian, or muslim, or a wise transgender Asian muslim to cover a lot more bases with his supporters?

How could the GOP not vote overwhelmingly for such a choice. After all it would be Obama’s privilege as pResident that shouldn’t be denied.

/s

hawkeye54 on June 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Sanchez: “I am astounded that my asss fits my head so well!”

The Santa Ana Sex Kitten: one of the four dumbest broads in Congress — all from California. (Actually five; I forgot that dumbass rep from Watts.)

The War Planner on June 13, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Dem rep: We were “astounded” by what we heard in our new classified briefing about surveillance

So only the Dems knew about all this and were hiding it? Pleez. I think a lot of these so-called Conservative Congressmen backed by the TEA Party have a lot to answer for. Don’t tell me they didn’t know. And if they weren’t aware of such a huge program that threatens our Liberties, then WTH are they doing up there?

We know Washington can’t keep many secrets, especially ones involving this many people and Lord knows how much money in appropriations.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 13, 2013 at 1:53 PM

I’m still trying to figure out how they turned John Roberts.

flicker on June 12, 2013 at 6:33 PM

I’ve heard that the Las Vegas line is 7-5 that it’s video of him and farm animals.

VekTor on June 13, 2013 at 4:59 PM

So if this member of Congress is now astounded on what she was briefed on, it is obvious Barky lied when he said 100% of Congress had been previously briefed.

Interesting how fast some things can be briefed when someone thinks other shoes will drop.

Also, since it was public outrage that led Congress to get this briefing, at what point will Congress decide we should know? I mean, if they are now astounded and all, shouldn’t we also know? Or are they satisfied that it is only we peons being spied on?

91Veteran on June 14, 2013 at 3:14 AM

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