Amash to Clapper: “Perjury is a serious crime”

posted at 1:21 pm on June 12, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Serious, yes, if perhaps becoming more common in Congressional testimony.  Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI)  posted a demand on his Facebook page for the resignation of James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, after leaks showed that Clapper misled Congress in March about the activities of the NSA:

Libertarian Congressman Justin Amash (R-MI) called on Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to resign on Wednesday after a week of revelations surrounding the National Security Agency’s widespread surveillance of Americans.

“It now appears clear that the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, lied under oath to Congress and the American people,” Amash wrote on his Facebook. “Members of Congress can’t make informed decisions on intelligence issues when the head of the intelligence community willfully makes false statements. Perjury is a serious crime. Mr. Clapper should resign immediately.”

Amash took to Twitter as well:

Clapper tried defending himself over the weekend, but ended up relying on a heavy parsing of the word “collection.”  Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler gave Clapper three Pinocchios for the attempt:

In an interview with NBC’s Andrea Mitchell, he said that “I responded in what I thought was the most truthful, or least untruthful manner, by saying no,” though he also called his answer “too cute by half.” He indicated that his response to Wyden turned on a definition of “collect:” “There are honest differences on the semantics of what — when someone says ‘collection’ to me, that has a specific meaning, which may have a different meaning to him.”

One wonders why Clapper or his staff did not seek a clarification, given the apparent heads up by Wyden. Clapper apparently thinks the NSA “collects” only on specific targets — what he called, in the interview with NBC, “taking the book off the shelf and opening it up and reading it.” But that is a rather slippery answer.

In an interview with the National Journal, Clapper said: “What I said was, the NSA does not voyeuristically pore through U.S. citizens’ e-mails. I stand by that.” But neither Clapper nor Wyden referred to e-mails during the exchange. Wyden in fact referred to “any type of data at all” — which presumably would also cover the phone records in the other classified program that has been the subject of media reports. …

Given the information already in the public domain, including about e-mails, it is unclear what Clapper thought he was protecting with his “too cute by half” and “least untruthful” answer. Such important questions — and answers — should not be left to a semantic debate over the meaning of “collection.”

Clapper in recent days has tried to emphasize how forthright the NSA has been in explaining these programs. But he might have saved himself some trouble if he had been more forthright in the first place.

At Volokh Conspiracy, Jonathan Adler is also unimpressed with the defense:

It’s hard to argue that the NSA has not been engaged in the “collection” of information. If members of Congress are looking for an Administration official who gave untruthful testimony, it sees to me Clapper is a better candidate than Eric Holder. There is an added wrinkle here, however, is that it is not clear to me whether Clapper could have given a direct (and truthful) answer in a public hearing, as such an answer would have required him to disclose the existence of a then-classified government program. Even a non-answer or evasion could have revealed the existence of operations the NSA was trying to keep secret. In such a situation I would think one response would be to correct the record with the committee after-the-fact. Yet according to Senator Wyden’s office, no such correction was forthcoming — even after the Senator’s office gave him an opportunity to amend his answer. Admittedly Clapper was in a difficult situation, but it’s nonetheless clear that he was not truthful to Congress.

At 2 pm ET today, NSA Director Keith Alexander will testify at a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, the first open testimony from anyone in this scandal since it broke.  Alexander arguably lied to Congress about the same thing in 2012, and this will be the first opportunity for either chamber to challenge the national-security team on their misleading public testimony:

As pressure mounts for the intelligence community to curb its surveillance activities or at least make them more transparent, a key National Security Agency official will testify before the Senate Appropriations Committee on Wednesday.

Army Gen. Keith Alexander, National Security Agency director and head of U.S. Cyber Command, will testify before the full committee in a previously-scheduled session, marking the first time an NSA official will answer to Congress in public since news broke that the agency is collecting all of Verizon’s U.S. phone records, as well as internet content from non-U.S. internet users abroad.

His predecessor, Michael Hayden, tried to back up Alexander in an interview with Eli Lake at the Daily Beast:

“Not all analysts have the power to target anything,” Snowden told The Guardian in an interview posted Sunday. “But I, sitting at my desk, had the authority to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if I had a personal email.”

Michael Hayden, a former NSA director and CIA director, said Snowden’s assertion was “absolutely outrageous.” “He was not a collector,” he said. “I don’t know he could do anything like that,” adding that Snowden, a low-ranking contractor, would not have the authority or access to listen in on phone calls or read emails from anyone. …

“Rogue collection” at the NSA over the years was extremely rare, the former top official said. Asked for an example, Hayden said he remembered a collector who was fired for trying to snoop on his ex-wife overseas.

“A rogue collector would lose his clearance and be run out of the organization,” said Joel Brenner, a former inspector general and senior counsel for the NSA who left the agency in 2010. Brenner said that he didn’t recall ever dealing with “rogue collecting” during his time at as inspector general.

In yesterday’s briefing, though, the FBI and NSA told Congress that they’re collecting a billion records a day — but just not searching through it without cause and court orders.  Even on the parsing, Clapper still seems to be misleading as to the nature of the program.  Perhaps Alexander will be more forthcoming this afternoon.

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What’s wrong with jail time?

John the Libertarian on June 12, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Michael Hayden, a former NSA director and CIA director, said Snowden’s assertion was “absolutely outrageous.” “He was not a collector,” he said. “I don’t know he could do anything like that,

If Hayden has no idea whether Snowden could have done what he said, then how is the assertion “absolutely outrageous”? Maybe he should use less hyperbole if he doesn’t seem to know what the hell he’s talking about.

MadisonConservative on June 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Clap Off?

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM

I mean, if you can get 30 days for spanking your lawyer on the behind? Why not put this guy in jail?

John the Libertarian on June 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Here is yet another Obama Admin that looks like he could be a Jeff Dunham character.

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 1:28 PM

If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. — James Madison

Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. — Benjamin Franklin

The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. – James Madison

“If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied.” -Thomas Jefferson

‘When the government fears the people it is a democracy….when the people fear their government it is tyranny…’ — Thomas Jefferson

“The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.” -J. Edgar Hoover, former head of the FBI
Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men. — Lord Acton

BEWARE THE LEADER WHO BANGS THE DRUMS of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know ? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.”

Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. – Voltaire

Fascism will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible. ~ Sinclair Lewis 1935
Sinclair Lewis was wrong (Ann Coulter had a lot to say about him in one of her books); it’s the big government advocates, primarily from the left at this point.

One who defends Clapper, the biggest azzhole from SC.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 1:29 PM

And by serious crime, we mean something like a parking ticket. Just ignore it and it will go away.

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM

To be sure, the Rs enable the big gov’t leftists and are, thus, just as, even more, culpable.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Amash to Clapper

Why do the Amish care about this? They don’t use phones.

faraway on June 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Rep. Hank Johnson: Does the NSA intercept Americans’ cell phone conversations?

NSA Director Keith Alexander: No.

Google searches?

No.

Text messages?

No.

Amazon.com orders?

No.

Bank records?

No.

What judicial consent is required for NSA to intercept communications and information involving American citizens?

Within the United States, that would be the FBI lead. If it were a foreign actor in the United States, the FBI would still have to lead. It could work that with NSA or other intelligence agencies as authorized. But to conduct that kind of collection in the United States it would have to go through a court order, and the court would have to authorize it. We’re not authorized to do it, nor do we do it.

The Director also said on several occasions during this hearing that the NSA didn’t even have the ability to collect such data.

Resist We Much on June 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM

More forthcoming?

Doubtful

cmsinaz on June 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Clapper made fun of the surveillance, during a dinner, two nights ago. These are all unserious goons.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM

This NSA non-defense is so disingenuous… Snowden was indicating those capabilities are available from a desktop of any analyst with the right authorizations and access. The data is already there, and what he said is absolutely true.

Besides, it doesn’t matter what Snowden could or has done. He exposed what can be done, and that woke up a lot of people who realize now we are in too deep.

HopeHeFails on June 12, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Perhaps Alexander will be more forthcoming this afternoon.

Okay, that’s funny right there, I don’t care who you are.

JusDreamin on June 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Yeah, right.

As if the ‘investigators’ are going to do anything about it.

Three years from now is when they’ll issue their ‘report’. Though it might name names, it will all amount to a bunch of nothing.

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

But, who would prosecute these guys?

Unfortunately, there is no one to hold them accountable. The Justice Dept. is just a political arm of the administration.

Bigbullets on June 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Gettin’ a really bad feeling about what’s behind all this data collection… that it’s being used for political purposes in various ways by various entities, all of them leftist. Listening to Rush today isn’t helping, either.

A caller just asked, When this administration has shown it regards the terrorist threat as a distraction, why all this massive data collection? Is it for national security, or is it for something else?

Did Maxine Waters let the cat out of the bag?

petefrt on June 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM

I had to go back through and see who sits on the Senate Appropriations Committee to see if anyone worth damn was there to ask Alexander some questions. It appears our only hope is Jeff Merkley. Woe is the day the junior Democrat senator from Oregon is the only person who might ask the government why they’re so busy spying on all of us.

And if Miss Lindsey pipes up with “These wacko birds are paranoid, aren’t they? We’re at war and have to stop terrorism, right?” I might grind my teeth down to the gums.

alchemist19 on June 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Michael Hayden, a former NSA director and CIA director, said Snowden’s assertion was “absolutely outrageous.” “He was not a collector,” he said. “I don’t know he could do anything like that,“

If Hayden has no idea whether Snowden could have done what he said, then how is the assertion “absolutely outrageous”? Maybe he should use less hyperbole if he doesn’t seem to know what the hell he’s talking about.

MadisonConservative on June 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Political Theater, that’s why.

These are Actors on a Stage,the more Dramatic they are,
the better (at least that’s their belief).

Half these people wish they were in Hollywood, and half
the people in Hollywood wish they were in DC.

The two biggest pools of Fu*king idiots in this country.

ToddPA on June 12, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Yeah, no resignations. Convictions and serious jail time. If people aren’t going to be held to account, nothing will change.

Iblis on June 12, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Some one needs to ask the NSA:

Did the NSA use PRISM to monitor the Romney Campaign?

Was that information shared with the White House or the Obama Campaign?

Was the 2012 Election Stolen?

Bonus question:

Since the NSA monitors/collects/intercepts all communications; what about client – lawyer confidentiality?

Just asking.

patch on June 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Clapper opened his clapper and lied. And, now might sent to the slammer. Do you think that he might get the clap?

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

If I remember right…

… the Director of National Intelligence was another level of bureaucracy that was created after 9/11 to cover up the wall that Jamie Gorelick created under the Clinton Administration.

It is as if there is an elite group of political ruling class that is above every law on the books and they will do anything and everything to stay in power…

Oh, wait…!

Seven Percent Solution on June 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Amash to Clapper: “Perjury is a serious crime”

Clapper to Amash; “Not for me, it isn’t. And BTW, GFY.”

Which actually pretty much sums up this Administration’s attitude toward the law, the Constitution, and the American people in general.

clear ether

eon

eon on June 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

But, who would prosecute these guys?

Bigbullets on June 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

As in, “Who guards the guards?”

Caligula learned the hard way that answer is, “No one.”

Same thing here.

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Now, it turns out that the USA became the old Soviet Union on Juanuary 21, 2009.

kingsjester on June 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Someone tell Kessler that a Pinocchio,let alone three, when made to Congress in sworn testimony is PERJURY. And not Monica perjury either.

xkaydet65 on June 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Clapper,the Clintons,nor Eric Holder and or Obama are in the least bit worried.

They know the facts of then Lt. John F. Kerry still in the U.S. Naval Reserve and treating with the VC and NVA in Paris France as U.S. fighting men were being shot and killed in the combat zones of Southeast Asia. Acts of treason and proved up from his own commuincations from his Swift Boat, records from the offical war records retrived from the Texas Tech Viet Nam archives.

Free as a bird and unjudged to this very hour and now Sec. of State for the U.S.A..

Given this sorry but true history, why would the be worried at all.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Now, it turns out that the USA became the old Soviet Union on Juanuary 21, 2009.

kingsjester on June 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

The Russians did it better. Obama is so incompetent, I bet old line Soviets are laughing at him.

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

In light of all the eavesdropping and the IRS scandal, can this be tied to the comments from Harry Reid about “hearing from people that Romney didn’t pay taxes for 10 years”?

djaymick on June 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

why would they be worried at all.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

So is crossing our borders illegally.

Mr. Arrogant on June 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Perhaps Alexander will be more forthcoming this afternoon.

In my best Nancy Pelosi voice….. Are you serious? Are you SERIOUS?

Alexander is going to do what any good General who got caught spying on Americans would do- backstop his boss who also is a liar.

Clapper left the impression that on the off chance they collected data on Americans they immediately go to the DoJ, tail between the legs, and report the oopsie. He didn’t mention that collecting a billion phonecalls a day thing.

Happy Nomad on June 12, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Libertarian Congressman Justin Amash (R-MI) called on Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to resign on Wednesday

 
If he wants to resign, fine. But that doesn’t end any duty and/or responsibility. No resigning without consequences. Figure out what, if anything, you can do re:enforcement and do it.
 
Don’t write a book about it. Don’t talk about it. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Bring the full weight down immediately and make the next person think harder about telling the truth to the elected representatives of the American people.
 
Or don’t, and just let them know that you might post some mean tweets about them when they lie.

rogerb on June 12, 2013 at 1:49 PM

patch on June 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Obama is illegitimate in his 2nd term. It’s the biggest and not covered scandal of them all.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

In light of all the eavesdropping and the IRS scandal, can this be tied to the comments from Harry Reid about “hearing from people that Romney didn’t pay taxes for 10 years”?

djaymick on June 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Screw that, I want forensic analysis of the OFA database. The marvel that was allegedly put together by grassroots activists so that OFA could more effectively data mine and target for their campaign (and now agenda). I want proof that it isn’t an NSA product.

Happy Nomad on June 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Resigning is not enough. Slammer time. The traitors sold the land.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 1:50 PM

“The definition of perjury, like spying, is mutable.”–James Clapper

vityas on June 12, 2013 at 1:53 PM

Someone tell Kessler that a Pinocchio,let alone three, when made to Congress in sworn testimony is PERJURY. And not Monica perjury either.

xkaydet65 on June 12, 2013 at 1:44 PM

It’s a pretty big deal that Kessler (D-WaPo) is critical of any of these administration criminals. The rat-eared coward could say that the cleaning lady left that stack of Romney’s tax returns on the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office and it would only rate a half Pinnochio in Kessler’s world.

Happy Nomad on June 12, 2013 at 1:56 PM

The azzhole in chief:

1. Stands by Clapper’s “least truthful answer”, and

2. Raises what you pay, the porker.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Isn’t this e same fool who said the Muslim brotherhood was a “largely secular organization”?

jawkneemusic on June 12, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Isn’t this e same fool who said the Muslim brotherhood was a “largely secular organization”?

jawkneemusic on June 12, 2013 at 1:56 PM

No, that was the other fool, Brennan, who might have converted.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Forthcoming? These people are in the spying and lying business, working for professional liars.

ghostwalker1 on June 12, 2013 at 1:58 PM

But, who would prosecute these guys?

Unfortunately, there is no one to hold them accountable. The Justice Dept. is just a political arm of the administration.

Bigbullets on June 12, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Prosecution will be rendered by the Super Secret Court of the Republic.
Sessions of the court are scheduled ad-hoc.

Penalties for subversion of the Constitution will be meted out by Mr. Smith, Mr Wesson, Mr. Glock, Ms Beretta, Mr Sig-Sauer, Mr Colt, and Ms Remington.

The idiots in the Congress and Senate go on as if all is normal.
They continue the war against the Republic by plotting to inundate us with millions of criminal aliens to suck the lifeblood out of us.

We are awake, preparing for the ultimate battle ahead; that for the soul of the Founders, the greatest document written by men, the Constitution of the United States.
III

dirtengineer on June 12, 2013 at 1:58 PM

No, that was the other fool, Brennan, who might have converted.

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Gotcha, hard to tell the difference these days. All who work under Obama are clowns.

jawkneemusic on June 12, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Isn’t this e same fool who said the Muslim brotherhood was a “largely secular organization”?

jawkneemusic on June 12, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POwd44zH9GA

Resist We Much on June 12, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Perjury is a serious crime. Mr. Clapper should resign immediately.”

Not just ‘no’, but “f*ck no”.

‘Resign’ my a$$ – how about “Mr. Clapper should be charged, tried, and if found guilty, punished immediately.”

Sick to death of this DC climate that seems to simply think that if a politician or lackey commits a crime, they simply should resign and that’s the end of it.

Bullshit.

Midas on June 12, 2013 at 2:03 PM

The Obama administration took the rare step Thursday of correcting its own intelligence chief after the official claimed Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood is “largely secular.”

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper discussed the Islamist group during a hearing on Capitol Hill earlier Thursday. He testified that the organization has “pursued social ends” and a “betterment of the political order,” and downplayed its religious underpinnings.

“The term ‘Muslim Brotherhood’ … is an umbrella term for a variety of movements, in the case of Egypt, a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence and has decried Al Qaeda as a perversion of Islam,” Clapper said.

But the DNI later issued a statement to “clarify” that claim.

“To clarify Director Clapper’s point, in Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood makes efforts to work through a political system that has been, under Mubarak’s rule, one that is largely secular in its orientation. He is well aware that the Muslim Brotherhood is not a secular organization,” DNI spokesperson Jamie Smith said.

While the Brotherhood has renounced violence, one of its goals is to pursue the creation of an Islamic state. The CIA’s own website lists the Brotherhood as a “religious-based” party.

Clapper’s claim quickly drew scrutiny on Capitol Hill, even before his office walked back the statement.

“I am concerned that the DNI’s assessment does not agree with recent public statements by senior leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood nor does it agree with the organization’s publicly stated goals,” Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., said in a written statement, describing the group as “radical.”

“They’re as secular as Billy Graham and the pope are secular,” former GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said.

Resist We Much on June 12, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Resign, Clapper. Otherwise he should be fired, just like Lois Lerner. And Lisa Jackson should be jailed as should Stephen Chu and pretty much the entire cabinet and also the IRS legal office. But those cases will take time, while Clapper’s case is easy and he needs to go right now.

MTF on June 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM

“Law”? We don’t need no stinkin’ Law!

kirkill on June 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Rumours: They will all be assassinated post Obama…by the good guys or the bad guys.
Secrets must be kept secret.

III

dirtengineer on June 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Rep. Amash,

Thanks so much for trying to do the right thing, but none of this will matter. There will be two classes in the U.S. soon. 1) Those connected to government graft and 2) those that are not.

Only the little people go to jail. Remember Ellsworth Toohey: “We don’t expect these laws to be obeyed!”

Best regards,

_Eric

Jabez01 on June 12, 2013 at 2:07 PM

and BTW, Clapper will also get a nice pension and he will have his own non-Obamacare health care package.

Is anyone else starting to get PO’d yet? Are the leftists in America even awake?

kirkill on June 12, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Seems all the political appointees and bureaucrats are engaged in giving “cute” answers.

Any of them ever think of just telling the truth?

GarandFan on June 12, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I just love all of the irony. All of the bitching about warrant-less wiretaps of Americans that were neither warrant-less or targeting Americans. And now? Who cares? We’ll collect it all just in case. Warrant? Why? Americans phone records? Oh, that’s just sort of incidental.

Oh. And that black helicopter you’ve seen lately? You tweeted an Obama heresy 3 days ago.

oldroy on June 12, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Clapper opened his clapper and lied. And, now might sent to the slammer. Do you think that he might get the clap?

SC.Charlie on June 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

… and we’ll all clap.

*Claps hands enthusiastically*

LetsBfrank on June 12, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Resign, Clapper. Otherwise he should be fired, just like Lois Lerner. And Lisa Jackson should be jailed as should Stephen Chu and pretty much the entire cabinet and also the IRS legal office. But those cases will take time, while Clapper’s case is easy and he needs to go right now.

MTF on June 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Heard yesterday she’s still employed – working from home, logging in daily, etc.

Midas on June 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM

If I had a dollar for every 0 -Team member that should be resigning …

Incidentally, Clapper does NOT take this seriously.

LetsBfrank on June 12, 2013 at 2:28 PM

What’s wrong with jail time?

John the Libertarian on June 12, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Nothing JTL. I think a lot of people need that vacation. But what difference does it make at this point?

Hello there NSA. Would you like a cigarette?

antisocial on June 12, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Did Maxine Waters let the cat out of the bag?

petefrt on June 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Yep…and she sounded so proud about it.

If Maxine Walters had a son…oh never mind

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 2:30 PM

The two biggest pools of Fu*king idiots in this country.

ToddPA on June 12, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Actually, #1 would be the idiots who vote them in office ’cause they are too lazy to vett them.

hillsoftx on June 12, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Mr. Amash – Why are you calling for resignation? If it is a crime, deliver the punishment.

antisocial on June 12, 2013 at 2:31 PM

If I had a dollar for every 0 -Team member that should be resigning …

Incidentally, Clapper does NOT take this seriously.

LetsBfrank on June 12, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Because…Immigration is the New Gay Marriage…Priorities!

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Resign, Clapper. Otherwise he should be fired, just like Lois Lerner. And Lisa Jackson should be jailed as should Stephen Chu and pretty much the entire cabinet and also the IRS legal office. But those cases will take time, while Clapper’s case is easy and he needs to go right now.

MTF on June 12, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Heard yesterday she’s still employed – working from home, logging in daily, etc.

Midas on June 12, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Unionized Civil servants can’t be fired…they go on perpetual administrative leave until they cut a deal.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 2:34 PM

“Law”? We don’t need no stinkin’ Law!

kirkill on June 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Law is oldthink from last century…Now in Oceania Policy is everything because of Unity Bi-Partisanship.

Doubleplusgood

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Now, it turns out that the USA became the old Soviet Union on Juanuary 21, 2009.

kingsjester on June 12, 2013 at 1:43 PM

The Russians did it better. Obama is so incompetent, I bet old line Soviets are laughing at him.

Liam on June 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM

PRISM ramped up domestically in 2007 as soon as Sunsenbrenner left oversight…Maybe a knee jerk in anticipation of the financial crisis?

We don’t know.

We do know that Obama has definitely ramped up centralization of control…and we have Obamacare.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 2:43 PM

“Perjury is a serious crime”

Really? All the smartest and bestest people are doing it.

rrpjr on June 12, 2013 at 2:44 PM

eon on June 12, 2013 at 1:39 PM

True dat

cornbred on June 12, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler gave Clapper three Pinocchios for the attempt:

Which means absolutely nothing. Don’t accept this nonsense that the Washington Post is a reliable “fact-checker.” They’ll bend over backwards to give the Democrats the benefit of the doubt.

The only significance of a Wapo fact-check is when the lie is so clearly blatant that even the Washington Post admits it is a lie.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 12, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Someone needs to go to jail Ben

neyney on June 12, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Schadenfreude on June 12, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Great quotes.

Interesting that NSA is moving their center to Utah within 50 miles of all the tech companies like Google locating there also.

PattyJ on June 12, 2013 at 3:18 PM

“Perjury is a serious crime”

So is FORGERY.

A Court Qualified Expert Witness who is a registered Democrat and has been used as an expert witness by the law firm of Perkins Coie (the law firm Obama has used as his attorneys in several court cases) says that PDF is “entirely fabricated”.

When this administration posts a forgery on the White House web site, and so far has gotten away with it, of course they are going to continue acting as if they are above the law.

ITguy on June 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM

But Clapper is so valuable, who will we get to replace him? How about the first drunken bum who wanders in off the street? Or the US Ambassador to Belgium (child molester)?

MaiDee on June 12, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Unionized Civil servants can’t be fired…they go on perpetual administrative leave until they cut a deal.

workingclass artist on June 12, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Neither Clapper, Lerner, Jackson, or Chu are “unionized civil servants”. They are all “senior executive schedule” employees and all serve at the pleasure of the president. He can fire them in a heartbeat, if he wanted to, and they would have no recourse. Of course, he won’t. If the president wants to get rid of them, he usually asks them to resign.

I’m surprised that noone has commented on the most telling part of the Clapper exchange, that he gave his “least untruthful” answer. That means most, if not all, of his answers were not truthful. Or in layman’s terms, he was lying.

GAlpha10 on June 12, 2013 at 3:58 PM

“In an interview with NBC’s Andrea Mitchell, he said that “I responded in what I thought was the most truthful, or least untruthful manner, by saying no,” though he also called his answer “too cute by half.” He indicated that his response to Wyden turned on a definition of “collect:” “There are honest differences on the semantics of what — when someone says ‘collection’ to me, that has a specific meaning, which may have a different meaning to him.”

Ahh, the, ‘depends on what the meaning of is, is’ defense. The rot goes far back.

A.S.R. on June 12, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Amash needs to be the guy replacing Lifetime Levin as our Senator here in MI.

8 weight on June 12, 2013 at 7:08 PM

I mean, if you can get 30 days for spanking your lawyer on the behind? Why not put this guy in jail?

John the Libertarian on June 12, 2013 at 1:26 PM

The Constitution’s ‘Connected People Clause’ protects him.

PersonFromPorlock on June 12, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Clapper is the most transparent liar to appear in public for a long time. His constant fidgeting with his forehead during testimony ought to have tipped off everyone present. As his hand moved involuntarily, it was as if to say “that was a lie, right there”.

They should bring him back under oath and stitch him up real good.

virgo on June 13, 2013 at 2:52 AM

Clapper said: “What I said was, the NSA does not voyeuristically pore through U.S. citizens’ e-mails. I stand by that.”

So they “pore through U.S. citizens’ e-mails”, but not “voyeuristically”. I’m suddenly just fine with it. Aren’t you?

Squiggy on June 13, 2013 at 10:39 AM