Putin: Unlawfully invading citizens’ privacy isn’t how we do things in “civilized society,” you know

posted at 4:01 pm on June 11, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

As Ed noted this morning, a number of the United States’ European allies are rather less-than-pleased about the recent revelations concerning the NSA’s surveillance programs — and Russian President Vladimir Putin apparently decided to take this opportunity to take some kind of swipe at a United States government that’s been critical of his growing authoritarian tendencies.

Data surveillance is an acceptable measure if done within the law, Russia’s President Vladimir Putin told RT while visiting the channel in the capital.

“Such methods are in demand. But you can’t just listen to the phone call in Russia; you need a special order from court. This is how this should be done in civilized society while tackling terrorism with the use of any technical means.  If it is in the framework of the law, then it’s ok. If not it is unacceptable,” Putin said answering the question of RT’s Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan. Commenting on Obama’s statement that “You can’t have 100 per cent security and 100 per cent privacy,” Putin disagreed, saying it is possible if done within the law.

Uhm… insofar as this is a reminder that we need to carefully guard our liberties and conscientiously avoid treading down the path of Russia’s freedom-crushing folly, then, true — but what point Putin thought he was making, I’m really not sure. He’s been slowly redefining the rule of law in Russia to mean pretty much whatever he wants it to mean, and has been waging what almost amounts to the Russian equivalent of a First- and Fourth-Amendment assault on the liberties of Russians who dare to too publicly criticize his reign, and getting a ‘court order’ doesn’t mean much when the courts are kind of at your disposal. Leon Aron provides some accounts of these increasingly creeping symptoms of autocracy in Russia in today’s WSJ:

Not long ago, pro-reform members of the establishment could say and write what they pleased so long as they did not actively support the opposition. Now the message is: You must stop public criticism of the government—or risk harassment and even jail. If you don’t like the deal, leave while the going is still good. Those who choose to stay, according to the popular opposition blogger Yulia Latynina, must “believe that the greatness of Russia lies in Vladimir Putin,” and that criticism of him is part of a “world conspiracy” or “fifth column” machinations inside the Russian government.

Thus, a year into the authoritarian consolidation that followed Mr. Putin’s re-election as president in March 2012, his government has entered a new phase of repression. The Guriev exile marks the beginning of the regime’s transition from the softer authoritarianism of who is not against us is with us to a much harder and malignant version of who is not with us is against us.

This is on display in the continuing trial of popular opposition leader Alexei Navalny, a lawyer and anticorruption crusader who had the temerity to declare that he would challenge Mr. Putin in the 2018 election. Facing the unlikely charge that he stole 10,000 cubic meters of timber from a state-owned company while he was an unpaid adviser to a regional governor, Mr. Navalny faces a maximum sentence of 10 years.

And that’s to say nothing of the encroaching Internet censorship, the not-so-”free and fair” parliamentary and presidential elections, complaints of rampant government corruption, and etcetera. And hey, here’s another thoughtful tidbit from Putin at that same meeting:

Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday he has no doubt that Iran is adhering to international commitments on nuclear non-proliferation but regional and international concerns about Tehran’s nuclear program could not be ignored.

Putin, whose country is among six world powers seeking to ensure that Iran does not seek to develop nuclear weapons, also said Iranian threats to Israel’s existence were unacceptable.

His remarks appeared aimed to strike a balance between the interests of Iran, on the one hand, and on the other, Israel and global powers seeking to ensure Tehran does not acquire nuclear weapons.

“I have no doubt that Iran is adhering to the rules in this area. Because there is no proof of the opposite,” Putin, whose country is one of six leading those diplomatic efforts, told Russian state-run English-language channel RT.

Riiiiiight.


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People in 1nm-thick breakaway glass houses shouldn’t throw boulders.

MadisonConservative on June 11, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Well that depends on Putin’s definition of “unlawful” in his “civilized” society.

hawkeye54 on June 11, 2013 at 4:04 PM

As Ed noted this morning, a number of the United States’ European allies are rather less-than-pleased about the recent revelations concerning the NSA’s surveillance programs

If the United States does this to their own citizens, imagine what they do to allies.

They should legitimately be concerned.

portlandon on June 11, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Back in the US
Back in the US
Back in the USSR

John the Libertarian on June 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Hah, this is funny.

Obama is the illegitimate president of the USA in his second term.

He won like Putin and Chavez did.

Also, he is “Bushhitler” and Bushchimpey”, on steroids.

The leftists really, really hate this. The Huffington Post was right.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Russia offered Snowden protection today.

Iceland did yesterday.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Putin and Pravda have more credibility than Obama.

What a sad state of the world.

Fools of the word, I warned you. I’m laughing at you now, all the Obama-cheering azzholes of the world. It’s truly schadenfreudig to watch you.

Nobel dies again.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Russia offered Snowden protection today.

Iceland did yesterday.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:06 PM

I’ll say this: if Snowden actually goes to Russia, then there’s something fishy about him. I expect him to end up in Iceland if he truly wants to be safe.

MadisonConservative on June 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM

This IS funny coming from a former KGB operative, probably said more for consumption by the Russian people than anything else.

But it’s still a slap to Obama’s face, nonetheless.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Back in the US
Back in the US
Back in the USSR

John the Libertarian on June 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

LOL.

portlandon on June 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM

How about throwing them off buildings and injecting them with radioactive poisons…would that be a bit more like it? A bit more civilized?

Blaise on June 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM

I expect him to end up in Iceland if he truly wants to be safe.

MadisonConservative on June 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM

The American spoofs will make him disappear bef. he gets anywhere.

He will die for the freedom of the world, while billions go shopping or flukeing.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Putin is more of dude than Obama, bad as that is.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Back in the US
Back in the US
Back in the USSR

John the Libertarian on June 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Beat me to it…LOL.

d1carter on June 11, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Welcome to Amerika!!!

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM

More than 20 journalists have been assassinated under Putin’s regime and Pu$$y Riot got 2 years in a work camp for speech.

O/T:

Gallup: Former President George W. Bush’s Image Ratings Improve. Views of Bush more positive than negative for first time since 2005

While Obama’s approval numbers might not be taking a hit over these scandals and snooping, Americans may be reevaluating Bush through the prism of Obama, especially with his continuing and expanding much of the Bush apparatus that they were told by Democrats like Obama back then were the worst things possible.

Just musing here, but Obama may be rehabilitating Bush without even meaning to do so.

Resist We Much on June 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM

The American spoofs will make him disappear bef. he gets anywhere.

He will die for the freedom of the world, while billions go shopping or flukeing.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Possibly. Frankly, I’m still suspicious of that “associate” of the Boston bombers that the FBI took into a room…and when they came out, he was shot to death.

However, if he does end up dead, then it shows they’re desperate. I mean, the leak is out. There’s no reason to try to shut him up at this point. Killing him will just validate what he said.

MadisonConservative on June 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

This would be funny if it weren’t so hopelessly sad.

stenwin77 on June 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Obama is now to the Left of Putin.

faraway on June 11, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Alexander Litvinenko was unavailable to comment.

ajacksonian on June 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Russia’s freedom-crushing folly

Get over yourself, delusional darling… America is not a free society, it is an atomized one and any loyalty that threatens that state(like churches) will be put in their place.

The people bashing Putin and Russia need to start reading russian and continental right wing philosophy. The anglo-American liberal right is a cancer on the west.

ninjapirate on June 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Boom

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Hey, look at it this way: Maybe if Obama hears it from someone he can respect, you know, someone who’s not one of those knuckle-draggin’ Americans, it’ll make sense to him. ‘Cause Lord knows that all it that happens when American citizens criticize Obama is that he gets pissed off and petulant.

dkmonroe on June 11, 2013 at 4:15 PM

MadisonConservative on June 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Why it’s so schadenfreudig to see this thuggish admin. do the two-step. Hard for Obama to denounce him, heh.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Putin knows all of Obama’s secrets. Think about that.

faraway on June 11, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Hey it can’t possibly happen here in the USA.

bgibbs1000 on June 11, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Just musing here, but Obama may be rehabilitating Bush without even meaning to do so.

Resist We Much on June 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM

He’s done so already. It drives the left insane that Obama is “Bushhitler” and “Bushchimpey”, on steroids.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Hilarious.

Putin is playing the same self-righteous condemnation game with Comrade O as the lefties in the US did with GWB.

With the same hypocrisy.

farsighted on June 11, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Well that depends on Putin’s definition of “unlawful” in his “civilized” society.

hawkeye54 on June 11, 2013 at 4:04 PM

True that.

workingclass artist on June 11, 2013 at 4:20 PM

but what point Putin thought he was making, I’m really not sure

Putin is simply tweaking Dear Liar’s nose, knowing that he’s a pushover.

rbj on June 11, 2013 at 4:21 PM

You still have to enjoy the irony…and schadenfreude.

“We were LAUGHING STOCKS ’cause of BUSH!!!!”

Everybody hated us, nobody liked us. We were going to start eating worms until Obama came along. Now, they just need to sell that to the world.

Axeman on June 11, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Meanwhile Snowden may have escaped

DarkCurrent on June 11, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Hilarious.

Putin is playing the same self-righteous condemnation game with Comrade O as the lefties in the US did with GWB.

With the same hypocrisy.

farsighted on June 11, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Meanwhile we’re all being played by the Chi-Coms.

*facepalm*

workingclass artist on June 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Meanwhile Snowden may have escaped

DarkCurrent on June 11, 2013 at 4:21 PM

To the darkside moonbase?

workingclass artist on June 11, 2013 at 4:23 PM

If the United States does this to their own citizens, imagine what they do to allies.

They should legitimately be concerned.

portlandon on June 11, 2013 at 4:04 PM

The “leaders” know like google and farcebook, they just try to fake shock and surprise.

the_nile on June 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Just musing here, but Obama may be rehabilitating Bush without even meaning to do so.

Resist We Much on June 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM

He’s done so already. It drives the left insane that Obama is “Bushhitler” and “Bushchimpey”, on steroids.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Big winner…Ron Paul

workingclass artist on June 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Read this speech excerpt by Putin… make sure you have CSPAN on while they’re debating amnesty.

http://i.imgur.com/l1tNCZZ.jpg

https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/314041350398017536

ninjapirate on June 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM

See liberals don’t understand you dump on another country because it’s another country, it’s another team, a competitor.

Oh, the French who’ve been trying to put together a pure French dictionary (without any foreign-derived words) for decades said we’re weird!! OMG!! I can’t go to the prom!!!

Axeman on June 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Putin knows all of Obama’s secrets. Think about that.

faraway on June 11, 2013 at 4:17 PM

You mean Putin has Obama’s birth certificate,passport records,college transcripts etc.?

workingclass artist on June 11, 2013 at 4:25 PM

You sound like the pot trying to call the kettle black. Obama has been caught using the DOJ, IRS, and now this PRISM against his political foes. Hitler did such…Stalin did such…Mao did such, and now Obama and our unionized Gov’t are caught doing it.

Karmi on June 11, 2013 at 4:26 PM

To the darkside moonbase?

workingclass artist on June 11, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Word is he’ll be put on Tiangong 1 with 2 years supplies

DarkCurrent on June 11, 2013 at 4:27 PM

January 23, 2012

The Russian Prime Minister, a top contender for upcoming presidential elections, is providing voters with more food for thought as he promotes his plan for uniting Russia’s multi-ethnic society.

Coming one week after the release of an article that addressed the development of Russian civilization, Vladimir Putin is setting his sights on another penetrating subject, this one involving the importance of uniting Russia’s various ethnic communities together under the banner of Russian culture and values.

“For Russia – with its wide range of languages, traditions, ethnicities, and cultures – the national question is, without exaggeration, of fundamental value,” Putin wrote in an article for Nezavisimaya Gazeta daily on Monday. “Any responsible politician, public figure, must recognize that one of the main conditions of our country’s very existence is civil and interethnic harmony.”

Putin draws attention to the modern problem of “colossal immigration flows” representing millions of people worldwide who are “in search of a better life.” These surging numbers of emigrants and refugees, who are fleeing from “hunger and chronic conflicts, poverty and social unrest” are forcing even the most developed and tolerant nations to address the “national question.”
­Multiculturalism creates multi problems

In the midst of this great global experiment, unprecedented in its scope, Putin notes that the “melting pot” of assimilation is…unable to “digest” the growing migration flow.

He also criticizes the move toward multiculturalism, which he says “rejects the notion of integration through assimilation.”

Multiculturalism “elevates the (idea of the) ‘right of minorities to be different’ to the absolute and, at the same time, insufficiently balances this right with civil, behavioral, and cultural obligations in regard to the indigenous population and society as a whole,” Putin argues.

What multiculturalism is leading to in many countries, according to the Prime Minister, is the formation of “closed national and religious communities…which not only refuse to assimilate, but [do not] even adapt.” Putin expressed his astonishment that “neighborhoods and entire cities where generations of immigrants are living on welfare…do not speak the language of the host country.”

There can be just one outcome for such a social model: xenophobia on the part of the indigenous population, which understandably seeks to “protect its interests, jobs, and social benefits from the ‘foreign competitors.’”

~

Just because Putin says it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

Akzed on June 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Another subject in need of a post, Erika…

Former Vice President Al Gore lamented on Tuesday that scientists “won’t let us yet” link tornadoes to climate change.

Gore alluded to last month’s devastating twister in Moore, Okla., saying that shoddy historical statistics are preventing a connection between “these record-breaking tornadoes and the climate crisis.”

The former vice president made the comments at Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse’s (D-R.I.) annual Rhode Island energy and environment conference at the Capitol.

Scientists won’t ‘let’ him tie tornadoes to AGW?

Who’s ‘anti-science,’ again?

Resist We Much on June 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Putin knows all of Obama’s secrets. Think about that.

faraway on June 11, 2013 at 4:17 PM

To the USA’s enemies Obama hands those on a platinum platter.

Wait, now they are friends. The red button was reset. Live free!

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Akzed on June 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM

All of these countries are having major nationalist meltdowns…We are in a generational crisis era.

workingclass artist on June 11, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Resist We Much on June 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM

What a buffoonish fool, but that is a repeat and makes them appear Einsteinian.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Just because Putin says it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

Akzed on June 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Right as the sentiment may be, it’s merely an indicator of how long till the next pogroms commence.

MadisonConservative on June 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM

The sad part is that America has become so anti-personal freedom that scoundrels like Putin get to call us the hypocrites we are.

It’s not pretty watching the greatest nation in western Civilization self-destruct.

Don L on June 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Scientists won’t ‘let’ him tie tornadoes to AGW?

Who’s ‘anti-science,’ again?

Resist We Much on June 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM

The Goreacle is afraid of losing his religious base….and of course easy access to cheezeburgers & hookers.

workingclass artist on June 11, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Right as the sentiment may be, it’s merely an indicator of how long till the next pogroms commence.

A pogrom is far preferable to being colonized…

jesus christ, the modern American right is so damn effete or dissorriented it’s pathetic… and whenever they’re actually exercising any muscle, it’s to shoot themselves in the feet.

ninjapirate on June 11, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Harlots of Obama.

May they all suffocate from eating his shit.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Interesting that Obama is to the left of the hard line Communists.

RJL on June 11, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Right as the sentiment may be, it’s merely an indicator of how long till the next pogroms commence. MadisonConservative on June 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Or lynchings.

Akzed on June 11, 2013 at 4:38 PM

1000% increase in FISA requests…uh oh!

d1carter on June 11, 2013 at 4:39 PM

That really must make Obama’s butt sting! Putin taking the moral high ground.

DAT60A3 on June 11, 2013 at 4:40 PM

I love the irony of Putin lecturing Barry on Democracy. That’s priceless. If he wasn’t running a cleptocracy, I might actually like Putin, with his positions on illegal immigration and defending traditional marriage.

Iblis on June 11, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Pot, meet Kettle….

But really – I think this ROFLMAO hilarious.
To think that Putin is claiming, with even the slightest sliver of validity, the moral high ground over Obumble on something like this….
All the way around – funny as he!! every way I look at it.

dentarthurdent on June 11, 2013 at 4:44 PM

1000% increase in FISA requests…uh oh!
d1carter on June 11, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Prepping the battle field.

Akzed on June 11, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Hahahahahha! Getting dissed by Putin, amazing.

Obama is far out there, even an “evil empire” finds him repugnant.

So much for “The world will love me”…oh, well, you always have Syria.

right2bright on June 11, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Leave it to Steny Hoyer to praise Obysmal’s use of surveillance.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/304753-hoyer-draws-distinction-between-bush-and-obama-surveillance-programs-

onlineanalyst on June 11, 2013 at 4:46 PM

You sound like the pot trying to call the kettle black.
Karmi on June 11, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Pot, meet Kettle….
dentarthurdent on June 11, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Now, wait, think about this – does this mean Putin is the first black President of Russia????

dentarthurdent on June 11, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Just musing here, but Obama may be rehabilitating Bush without even meaning to do so.

Resist We Much on June 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Gallup:
Bush favorable/unfavorable: 49/46
Obama favorable/unfavorable: 47/44

weaselyone on June 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Regardless if this is posturing on Putin’s behalf or not, it’s a sad day in the United States when a Russian president is lecturing privacy rights in the context of the United States’ breach of it’s citizen’s privacy.

Surreal. Reagan is rolling over in his grave.

ButterflyDragon on June 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM

1000% increase in FISA requests…uh oh!

d1carter on June 11, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Would this be considered “vastly expanding” the Patriot Act FISA provisions..?

d1carter on June 11, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Diana West is suspending judgment on Snowden, depending on whether he allies himself with China or Russia’s invitations. She sees him currently as a hero fight the collectivist State, one that the Marxists and Islamists embrace as do too many of our current leaders in the US.
http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/2545/Truth-Snowden-and-the-Surveillance-State.aspx

This is a good, thoughtful piece.

onlineanalyst on June 11, 2013 at 4:59 PM

In a Gallup tracking poll released Tuesday, former-President George W. Bush currently stands with a favorability rating of 49%, compared to 46% who see the 43rd president unfavorably. Meanwhile, another Gallup poll shows President Obama with only a 47% approval rating, with 44% disapproving.

Can we get a mushroom cloud here?

BobMbx on June 11, 2013 at 5:01 PM

I just love it when they play “Good Socialist Totalitarian/Bad Socialist Totalitarian”.

Carry on, Comrades!

Bruno Strozek on June 11, 2013 at 5:03 PM

LOL! Mr. Flexibility just got his chain yanked.

txhsmom on June 11, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Sorry Vlad, Hussein has no flexibility on this issue.

antipc on June 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM

If Snowden is as good as he thinks he is; he will go to the highest bidder. And then will end up in an unmarked grave once his usefulness has dried up.

DDay on June 11, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Let’s just move on to the big winners, and losers in all of this data grabbing.

The winners will be NEW mail services AROUND the world and OUTSIDE of US Serveillance! I suspect that most EVERY country will be entering the e-mail business for the sake of privacy.

Now, the losers are the US Internet companies that are now compromised by the US Government. These companies are likely to find themselves bearing the brunt of a major worldwide migration.

As for EVERY TV talking head that says ‘If you have nothing to hide, you need not be concerned’, I suggest you read this to see where this country is headed!

Freddy on June 11, 2013 at 5:19 PM

This IS funny coming from a former KGB operative

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM

This. +1

GWB on June 11, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Can we get a mushroom cloud here?

BobMbx on June 11, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Wolf Blitzer’s head just asploded.

tom daschle concerned on June 11, 2013 at 5:50 PM

This IS funny coming from a former KGB operative

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Obama? or Putin?

faraway on June 11, 2013 at 5:58 PM

He’s been slowly redefining the rule of law in Russia America to mean pretty much whatever he wants it to mean, and has been waging what almost amounts to the Russian equivalent of a First, Second, and Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Eighth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendment assault on the liberties of Russians who dare to too publicly criticize his reign, and getting a ‘court order’ doesn’t mean much when the courts are kind of at your disposal AG can shop judges. Leon Aron provides some accounts of these increasingly creeping symptoms of autocracy in America.

Barky is OK with the Third and Seventh amendments, for now, but he is open to evolving on those.

jukin3 on June 11, 2013 at 6:19 PM

No worries Obama will just push the reset button. Oh wait, we know how well that worked for Hillary.

Putin just throws his adversaries out the window or poisons them with radiation.

Snowden doesn’t give Putin what he wants then lookout dude.

Better head elsewhere.

plutorocks on June 11, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Putin: Unlawfully invading citizens’ privacy isn’t how we do things in “civilized society,” you know

The rest of Putin’s comment – “…because “civilized societies” declare invading citizens’ privacy lawful.”

RWM and ajacksonian already provided all the evidence one needs to prove that point.

Steve Eggleston on June 11, 2013 at 7:15 PM

I am beginning to think being incinerated by that man would be a privilege.

He’s got style.

From the “to be a head of state comment” directed at Hillary to this.

Beats a reeducation camp or the showers any day.

WryTrvllr on June 11, 2013 at 7:38 PM