Projection: In Aaron Sorkin’s world, liberals face government persecution for bashing Tea Party

posted at 10:11 pm on June 11, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

Mm-hmm. Somehow, the boob-tube bard of the reality-based community missed out on the irony that actual reality lends the storyline of “Newsroom’s” second season.

Ace flagged the trailer today. If I’m not mistaken (non-”Newsroom” watcher, here), the storyline turns on an incident in Season 1 when noble newsman Will McAvoy dubbed the Tea Party the “American Taliban.” Now, he is facing consequences, you see. Because, as we all know, people who are insufficiently kind to the Tea Party in Washington, D.C. never work in this town again, buddy!

I’ve never been a huge Sorkin fan. “Sports Night” was most enjoyable, as it was not singularly focused on liberal wish fulfillment. It did, however, have plenty of moments of heavy-handed, self-righteous position declaring in unrelated social and work situations, in which Dan Rydell became to predictable, populist liberalism what Julia Sugarbaker was to predictable, populist feminism, without the charming accent. “And, that is why you nevah cross a Sugahbakah woman or a smug, Northeastern sportscastah!”

“The West Wing,” probably Sorkin’s most popular work, encapsulates perfectly a self-satisfied and somewhat sunny liberal view of Washington, in which pragmatic, do-gooders are thwarted only by circumstance and mean opposition from making the wheels of government turn to the good of the people. I do not hold this worldview. Mine is more “House of Cards,” in which a bunch of basically corrupt people work within a basically corrupt system to satisfy self-serving ends, thwarted rarely by decent people and do-gooders. The only quibble I have with “House of Cards” is its portrayal of Washington evil as competent evil, when real Washington is more often filled with a bunch of incompetent, sloppy, and even accidental evil. Maybe “Veep” takes care of that quibble.

“Newsroom” is for this worldview:

Two things strike me. First, the main character, the Aaron Sorkin Mary Sue (his ventriloquist doll, his idealized version of himself), says the Tea Party is the “American Taliban,” but then another character, aligned with the Aaron Sorkin Mary Sue, calls Occupy Wall Street the “American version of the Arab Spring.”

So much about Sorkin’s childishly demagogic worldview is summed up in that. Sorkin’s TV show is apparently — if you can imagine such a thing — a soap opera about a fictionalized, idealized version of MSNBC, for people so addicted to political pornography they can’t just watch MSNBC itself, but also crave a fictitious show about the behind-the-scenes workings of MSNBC.

Now that is Sorkin’s target audience. And yet he calls other people an American Taliban?

But more important to me is the clear implication that due to his calling the Tea Party the American Taliban, the Aaron Sorkin Mary Sue is now facing Official Government Consequences for the exercise of his speech rights — apparently some kind of Official Censure from Congress (as if such a thing existed for citizens).

The contrast with reality is striking— so striking I could walk-and-talk about it in true Sorkin style. Read the whole thing, in which Ace connects Sorkin’s delusion to the preemptive strike liberal lifetime civil servants were forced to impose upon Tea Partiers destroying the fabric of democracy, post-Citizens United. And, enjoy Season 2, everyone. I’m thinking of live-tweeting or recapping it, but I’m not sure a “House of Cards” person can handle extended exposure to “Newsroom.”

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Doesn’t Aaron Sorkin’s world also include drugs?

Happy Nomad on June 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM

The new liberal anthem: Po’ po’ Pitiful me…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srpwqf2MWAw

Pffft!

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Who?

major dad on June 11, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Because, as we all know, people who are insufficiently kind to the Tea Party in Washington, D.C. never work in this town again, buddy!

Dad, is this real life?

Fallon on June 11, 2013 at 10:19 PM

So Mary doesn’t trust us Americans to be good people or do our jobs, sounds like a college kid democrat to me. Funny how this types always trust our boys or our cops when they need them.

Observation on June 11, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Here’s all you need to know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S78RzZr3IwI

Just watch. I’m sure he’ll use all the same lines in this show.

Agent of the Cross on June 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Propaganda=Newsroom

neyney on June 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Yes, Santa Claus, there is a Virginia.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 10:20 PM

…huh?

KOOLAID2 on June 11, 2013 at 10:21 PM

If anyone watches, it’s so the rest of us can pass.

22044 on June 11, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Are these TV shows, or something?

Ronnie on June 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM

I haven’t watched a prime time TV show since I became a full fledged Conservative in the days and weeks following 9/11. Prior to that, I still thought Hollywood sucked.

ardenenoch on June 11, 2013 at 10:23 PM

I’m thinking of live-tweeting or recapping it, but I’m not sure a “House of Cards” person can handle extended exposure to “Newsroom.”

“House of Cards” was awesomely entertaining. Newsroom is leftist, navel gazing drivel and unwatchable unless you’re on some sort of Quixotic tweet binge.

Curtiss on June 11, 2013 at 10:23 PM

House of Cards – sounds like a show I would enjoy.

22044 on June 11, 2013 at 10:26 PM

The three principles of liberal argument:

1. Lying

2. Projection

3. Conflating victims with experts

str8tface on June 11, 2013 at 10:26 PM

The three principles of liberal argument:

1. Lying

2. Projection

3. Conflating victims with experts

str8tface on June 11, 2013 at 10:26 PM

They only have one: If you disagree with a liberal, you are whatever they accuse you of being, in their sick heads. And, their definitions of themselves are subject to change as they see need to fit.

I used to be very liberal. I know well what they do and how they play their game.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Mine is more “House of Cards,” in which a bunch of basically corrupt people work within a basically corrupt system to satisfy self-serving ends, thwarted rarely by decent people and do-gooders

Funny you should mention HOC. With the Gang of 8/illegal alien bill deal today, I was wondering if Chuck U. Schumer was a type of Frank Underwood.

conservative pilgrim on June 11, 2013 at 10:30 PM

The only quibble I have with “House of Cards” is its portrayal of Washington evil as competent evil, when real Washington is more often filled with a bunch of incompetent, sloppy, and even accidental evil.

More defense of Ayn Rand’s “two-dimensional” villains.

Axe on June 11, 2013 at 10:30 PM

“The West Wing,” probably Sorkin’s most popular work, encapsulates perfectly a self-satisfied and somewhat sunny liberal view of Washington, in which pragmatic, do-gooders are thwarted only by circumstance and mean opposition from making the wheels of government turn to the good of the people. I do not hold this worldview. Mine is more “House of Cards,” in which a bunch of basically corrupt people work within a basically corrupt system to satisfy self-serving ends, thwarted rarely by decent people and do-gooders.

Truth…

Kaptain Amerika on June 11, 2013 at 10:38 PM

The extent of my knowledge is I’ve heard the name.

So he’s on the pitchfork list?

I don’t have my own PRISM system to keep track.

wolly4321 on June 11, 2013 at 10:39 PM

If any of you see TxAnn56 around would you mind giving her this link. She asked me to touch in Cornyns head. Thanks ; )

Bmore on June 11, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Sorkin ain’t all that.

But anytime I see Jeff; ‘Flap’ is the term of endearment that comes to mind. Followed by ‘Dumb’ or was it ‘Dumberer’? Me-sa confluzzled.

AH_C on June 11, 2013 at 10:39 PM

They only have one: If you disagree with a liberal, you are whatever they accuse you of being, in their sick heads. And, their definitions of themselves are subject to change as they see need to fit.

I used to be very liberal. I know well what they do and how they play their game.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 10:30 PM

I’ve read this before from you.

I know you touched on this briefly before, but what changed you? Was it all at once? Or, slowly as you matured? Saw/heard something that just didn’t seem right to you?

What hope do you have that others make soon/ever do the same?

avagreen on June 11, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Jeff Daniels has fallen an awful long way since the heady days of “BAYO-NETS!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Sacramento on June 11, 2013 at 10:40 PM

TxAnn56

Bmore on June 11, 2013 at 10:43 PM

No thanks. It’s against my religion to encourage lefties.

kim roy on June 11, 2013 at 10:44 PM

The virtue of Paris Hilton

+

The drug use of Charlie Sheen

+

The wisdom of Barbra Streisand

+

The personality of Susan Sarandon

+

The upbringing of the “Different Strokes” child actors

+

The corruption of Chicago

Mix thoroughly with money for nothing and emptiness of Vega$….

and you get Hollyweird.

viking01 on June 11, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Heaven forbid that a lawful government “persecute” Communists, minority rabble-rousers, p3dophile advocates, clueless young ‘adults’, prostitutes on parade, traitors, tax cheats, sexual deviants, anarchists, economic illiterates, anti-prosperity ‘greens’, D-grade tyrants, history revisionists, marriage destructionists, and the hundreds of other combinations of non compos mentis that make up the liberal party.

That’s the difference between a government ‘going after’ liberals and conservatives. The former group not only deserve it but are an outright threat to the existence of said government and lawful society itself.

Any non-trolls here who bristle at that description, I ask you what ELSE would you call a group whose policies impoverish whom they don’t enslave or kill everywhere they are implemented?

MelonCollie on June 11, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Aaron who? Newswhat?

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 10:48 PM

I’ve read this before from you.

I know you touched on this briefly before, but what changed you? Was it all at once? Or, slowly as you matured? Saw/heard something that just didn’t seem right to you?

What hope do you have that others make soon/ever do the same?

avagreen on June 11, 2013 at 10:40 PM

It was a process, a combination of my Elders against what I was thinking as a teen subject to what was going on at that time of my life. I can’t tell you there was any ‘speed’ to it. It developed.

Then I got married when Carter was president. Me and my bride saw our food prices rise twice a week.

Then my first child was born, and I thought of how tough it was. I went back to school to make it better for my family. That was my duty, but government was always in the way.

Then came President Reagan. Because of him, we prospered instead of the malaise Carter had to offer. Reagan made me proud again to be an American citizen, after the debacle that Democrats forced on us through Vietnam.

I guess, avagreen, I came of age.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 10:50 PM

but then another character, aligned with the Aaron Sorkin Mary Sue, calls Occupy Wall Street the “American version of the Arab Spring.”

That’s accurate. The “arab spring” was a bunch of muslim brotherhood slime and useless idiot arabs banding together to be able to have super-dooper insanely violent and backward pan-islamism overtake the insanely violent and backward pan-arabism of the latter half of the 20th century. The “arab spring” (which is a triply funny label, as the islamic calendar has no seasons – it specifically is NOT in sync with the solar year – and it is a death penalty offense in islam to try to add any intercalary to solarize it in any way) is little but the move of the arab world even more into anti-Westernism (as if they weren’t all the way, already. … Well, they weren’t.

The Occupoopers share common cause with the muslim brotherhood, al quaeda and the rest of the islamic slime in that they hate the West and want to see it go down – and hard. The Occupoopers and the muslims and arabs also like to defecate in the street and rape women in their camps, though the Occupoopers were civilized enough to provide rape-free tents for a few. “No rapes allowed in this tent. Please wait outside for your victim.”

Birds of a feather. Or slime of a color …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Give me Justified and Longmire any day of the week, please.

And if you’re a Breaking Bad fan, it is going to be something to see Walter White go done in flames in this, the final season.

BTW: AMC carries The Rifleman and Rawhide on Saturday mornings. That programming must drive liberals crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX2oZ6Kv_qo

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=rawhide+theme+song&mid=BAB83F7DCD0E06EBB000BAB83F7DCD0E06EBB000&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1

BuckeyeSam on June 11, 2013 at 10:53 PM

A better version of the Rawhide tune:

http://www.televisiontunes.com/Rawhide.html

BuckeyeSam on June 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM

MeTV carries the full gamut of old but very watchable TV back in the day when many if not most actors at least loved their country and its blessings given them.

Everything from the authentic cast Hawaii Five-O to the real, original Mission Impossible to Bob Newhart to Peter Gunn, The Rifleman, Bonanza etc.

viking01 on June 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM

This is the show that claimed the Koch brothers were unknown, shady political operatives who were worth ten times what George Soros was. (For the record, Soros, David Koch, and Charles Koch each had about the same net worth when the claim was made.)

calbear on June 11, 2013 at 11:00 PM

House of Cards was also pretty ridiculous: A Dem administration standing up to the teachers unions? Absurd as any sci-fi fantasy.

blue13326 on June 11, 2013 at 11:05 PM

House of Cards was also pretty ridiculous: A Dem administration standing up to the teachers unions? Absurd as any sci-fi fantasy.

blue13326 on June 11, 2013 at 11:05 PM

They were trying to pretend that Wisconsin never happened. BTW, Barky’s support from Washington of the fleebaggers and the slimeball teacher’s union thugs, there, was another in a long, long list of impeachable and criminal acts he’s committed. I doubt many people even remeber those recalls, the fleebagging and Washington helping the Wisc Senators flee so as to dprive Wisconsin of the Republican form of government the Constitution guarantees them … or the fake doctor’s notes that were given out at the “protests” …

So much criminality has been supported by this adminstration and so much insanity demonstrated by the leftist turds that it’s difficult to keep it all in mind. I bet even the NSA lost track of that …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Does anyone really care about any of the drivel that snowblower produces?

dpduq on June 11, 2013 at 11:23 PM

I’ve read this before from you.

I know you touched on this briefly before, but what changed you? Was it all at once? Or, slowly as you matured? Saw/heard something that just didn’t seem right to you?

What hope do you have that others make soon/ever do the same?

avagreen on June 11, 2013 at 10:40 PM

I’m not Liam, but I never stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

Most of us recovering liberals went through a gradual change. First and foremost though a person must be open to other views. Being open to other views an intelligent person starts to figure out there is something seriously wrong with leftist thinking. Personally I started to understand human nature better as I matured, and the more I understood of human nature the more absurd liberalism became. Eventually I was a full-throated conservative, but it takes time. In my case it may have taken 8 years to completely reject Utopian idiocy (I can’t put an exact time on it, it just happens, and before you know it you’re a new man :P). And when I say I was a liberal, I really was a liberal! I believed it would be in the best interest of people to force them to do what was “best” for them. If only the guberment would do the right thing the world would be special!

NotCoach on June 11, 2013 at 11:31 PM

That guy needs to lay off the blow.

Ward Cleaver on June 11, 2013 at 11:46 PM

I haven’t watched a prime time TV show since I became a full fledged Conservative in the days and weeks following 9/11. Prior to that, I still thought Hollywood sucked.

ardenenoch on June 11, 2013 at 10:23 PM

I thoroughly enjoyed explaining to our satellite provider that we had no problems with their service, but we had to cancel because Obamacare raised our health insurance premiums by $3000/yr. When they offered us service at a lower price I had to decline as it was not free.

txhsmom on June 11, 2013 at 11:58 PM

calbear on June 11, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Do we know if the Koch brothers are going to buy the LAT yet? I keep hoping they buy it, fire everyone, tear down the building and turn the land into a windfarm.

txhsmom on June 12, 2013 at 12:01 AM

THe Democrats are going to face a backlash, not for bashing the tea party, but for siccing the IRS on the tea party and not protecting them. If you want to talk about voter suppression, talk about what was done to the tea party by the IRS. Say what you will, it was an organized effort and no one protected them from it, not even the Republicans.

Could it be that establishment Republicans knew about this and did nothing because they didn’t want to deal with more Ted Cruzes? Just a thought, but with guys like McCain and Graham not really interested in the IRS scandal, you really have to wonder.

THis is the most serious scandal of all of them because it involved voter suppression, stealing an election, and using the IRS against citizens of the country. It was organized (how many Senators wrote letters to the IRS asking them to look into the tea parties), and had the President and Vice-President encouraging their followers on with rhetoric that just wasn’t true and left the impression that the tea party organizations were racist and anti-american, which couldn’t be further from the truth. The closer you look the worse it gets and, unless the Democrats actually feel that it’s a problem and want to look into it, they deserve any backlash they get.

I would expect the tea party to come out full force in 2014 and, when they do, everyone better watch out. Establishment Republicans who didn’t protect them, Democrats who encouraged the IRS to go after them, and the Administration that actually did go after them. If they don’t solve this b efore 2014, I expect the revenge factor to rule the election

bflat879 on June 12, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Arrrrgghhhh!!!

I just spent 10 minutes writing a masterful comment — and then right before I was ready to post it, the Hot Air page auto-refreshed, wiping out my entire comment, rendering it unrecoverable.

No way I will try to reconstruct it. Too exhausted and frustrated.

Problem is, this is about the tenth time this has happened since the auto-refresh code was added! Sooooooooooo frustrating. The longer the comment, the more thought and effort went into it — and also the more likely that it will get wiped out just before posting by the accursed auto-refresh “feature.”

Hence, I submit this “bug report”: Please either disable auto-refresh, or if that’s not possible, make it happen with less frequency, or better yet, find some way to code the page so that a written-but-yet-unposted comment DOESN’T DISAPPEAR FOREVER when the page refreshes, but instead reappears ready-to-post in the comment box, as it was before the auto-refresh. I know this is technically possible because I’ve seen it implemented on other pages.

Now I have to type really fast and click “Submit comment” ASAP before THIS comment disappears!!!

Zombie on June 12, 2013 at 3:02 AM

There is hardly a television show on that is not a liberal object lesson. Watch little, be irritated by it little.

hawkdriver on June 12, 2013 at 3:31 AM

I would have thought that after “Dumb and Dumber”, Jeff Daniels would be tired of playing Chrissie Matthews.

Alberta_Patriot on June 12, 2013 at 3:46 AM

Zombie on June 12, 2013 at 3:02 AM

If I feel the need to write more than a line or two, I’ll open up a word doc, type til my lil heart is content, then copy and paste it here. This allows me to work without pressure, check for typos and organize. The added benefit is I can save it for future reference if I have quoted somebody.

BigAlSouth on June 12, 2013 at 5:43 AM

Come on Sorkin you hack everybody knows the American Taliban are the religious wack-a-doodles.

Your Mamma loves me on June 12, 2013 at 7:14 AM

Them thar Tea Partirs err sum bad a$$es!

Herb on June 12, 2013 at 7:31 AM

Zombie on June 12, 2013 at 3:02 AM

If I feel the need to write more than a line or two, I’ll open up a word doc, type til my lil heart is content, then copy and paste it here. This allows me to work without pressure, check for typos and organize. The added benefit is I can save it for future reference if I have quoted somebody.

BigAlSouth on June 12, 2013 at 5:43 AM

Mozzila blocks the auto-refresh too.. I use it mostly for the spell check, but that is a nice feature.

mark81150 on June 12, 2013 at 7:47 AM

Sorkin is a delusional jerk, his world is always populated with Mensa level wonks with total recall memories, who give pious rants against the forces of darkness… meaning his cartoon cutout republicans,.. who are always addled, sloppy, incompetent and just mean..

but that Tobie Ziggler.. now there’s a rocket scientist.. and his entire cast was portrayed that way, all brilliant without exception, all working for the greater glory of liberalism.. which, never includes the other half of the country..

Only Washington exists, NY, LA.. liberal mega cities..

But the hundreds of thousands of small towns where the population really dwells?

Stupid hateful religious nuts, hayseeds, rubes..

Sorkin is the worst kind of exclusionary leftist, he doesn’t believe America exists outside the confines of the liberal urban setting. We exist in so much as to provide “villains” for his less than stellar wit to skewer.

Sorkin is just another leftist producing liberal political porn for the never happy forever outraged MSNBC audience.. Reality was never involved.

mark81150 on June 12, 2013 at 7:57 AM

I’ve never watched this dumb show.

My inner Yoda and The Force told me not to.

avagreen on June 12, 2013 at 8:09 AM

That Sorkin see’s the TEA party as Taliban.. and the scumbag Occupy as the “Arab Spring” says it all..

Clean cut American’s kids and all, peacefully protesting their government forgeting it’s palce as a servant to we the people, and NOT our master..

vs.

The Occupy dirt camps, unwashed vagrants and hippy wannabe’s outraged by capitalism and wishing fervently for a communist style system where they get that BMW right after graduation, and never have to work hard for it.. drugs, assaults, rapes, trash everywhere..

and he thinks THEY are the ones who are the romantic heroes?

really?

He couldn’t be any more brain damaged.. His biggest beef with the TEA Party, is they were effective in smashing the Pelosi Congress. Without that, Obama would have free reign to destroy this country as we know it, his corruption un-investigated, his lies unchallenged,.. free to make this country into a thuggish democrat party machine, where free thought is punished, and crooks rewarded.

The GOP House is the real grass roots, and the TEA Party America’s only chance for a return to sanity.

Sorkin’s a propagandist, and a ham fisted brutal one at that.

mark81150 on June 12, 2013 at 8:09 AM

In answer to the question above directed at someone else..

I was never a liberal, brought up in a republican household in a small Ohio town, It was a given that would adopt my father’s outlook, in high school that was challenged by some liberal teachers, but their arguments never impressed me. Damned old conservative need for results over style I suppose.

I too came of age under Carter, enlisted in his last year, and was there to see the change in national outlook once Mr. Reagan was elected..

after the depressing 70′s with it’s liberal vision of an America in decline, Mr. Reagan was a breath of fresh air, his shining city on a hill was more than just a metaphor for many of us.

He gave my generation hope, optimism, after so many years of leftist scolding we should recede quietly and let the Soviets have their way.

I was DAMNED proud to serve under him.. one of the Son’s of Reagan..

mark81150 on June 12, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Wait, it took a night but it all sifted and sorted through my mind… The dude in the show is probably “facing consequences” because he dissed the Taliban by comparing them to the Tea Party…

Fallon on June 12, 2013 at 8:38 AM

In a time when I get get Netflix, Amazon Prime, and a Premium Asian channel for less than the cost of HBO, and have 100 times the viewing options provided by such, why would I ever get HBO?

MNHawk on June 12, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Don’t forget The American President, wherein the President’s girlfriend offers that the bigger zinger than breaking up with him is losing her vote, or the dark dark moment when the starry-eyed domestic policy advisor has his dreams of a powerful executive crushed by cynicism.

The Schaef on June 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM

So Mary doesn’t trust us Americans to be good people or do our jobs, sounds like a college kid democrat to me. Funny how this types always trust our boys or our cops when they need them.

Observation on June 11, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Where did you get that idea? Are you a new troll? ‘Cause that comment was just obtuse.

Jeff Weimer on June 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM

The only quibble I have with “House of Cards” is its portrayal of Washington evil as competent evil, when real Washington is more often filled with a bunch of incompetent, sloppy, and even accidental evil.

Sorry if I am parroting anyone, I haven’t read the comments but this is the only thing saving us and probably not for much longer.

Cindy Munford on June 12, 2013 at 9:18 AM

I find myself wondering about the day to day lives of people this deluded. Can Mr. Sorkin have a rational conversation with those who might not agree with him? Or is he so important that he has staff to make sure he is surrounded by “yes” people? He’s probably like Obama and just assumes that everyone agrees with him.

Cindy Munford on June 12, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Jeff Weimer on June 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Is he referring to “Mary Sue” in the story or MKH? Withholding judgement for clarification.

Cindy Munford on June 12, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Meh. I stopped watching The Simpsons when it got too psychotically self-righteous to be considered entertainment for everyone. Have less interest in whatever Cokespoon Sorkin has to say.

apostic on June 12, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Why are we wasting valuable cyberspace on anything done by Aaron Snortin’?

The only reason a show produced by this piece of filth ever sees airtime is the alignment with the Chris Matthews/Rachel Maddow/Paul Krugman worldview. Which is more than enough to ensure, even did I watch mainstream TV programming, that it wouldn’t be seen here.

Freelancer on June 12, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Arrrrgghhhh!!!

I just spent 10 minutes writing a masterful comment — and then right before I was ready to post it, the Hot Air page auto-refreshed, wiping out my entire comment, rendering it unrecoverable.

Been there done that so many times I want to scream. That and the “comment shows up four hours later” crap render this board unusable to me.

Shame, actually….

98ZJUSMC on June 12, 2013 at 2:42 PM

mark81150 on June 12, 2013 at 8:20 AM

Ditto here, even your timeline, enlisting in USAF in spring of 80 under delayed entry. Funny enough my dad voted for Nixon. Then in 76 we had a round table, with all 5 of us kids to vote on whom dad should vote. We voted carter because he was a Christian and against Ford for the pardon. Within a couple of years carter was mud and in 80 I proudly voted for Reagan.

AH_C on June 12, 2013 at 5:12 PM