Last, best chance to stop the Gang of Eight bill: Obama’s starting to get involved in immigration reform again

posted at 3:21 pm on June 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

The situation’s critical, my friends. Senate Republicans are beginning to cave. Rubio’s screwing around with sideshow amendments designed to pander to conservatives without fixing the real problem in the bill. Boehner’s talking about having something on Obama’s desk by the end of the year.

Mickey Kaus sounds the alarm: It’s panic time.

It’s time to wake up! Conservatives–while you are (rightly) excited about NSA snooping and partisan IRS corruption, the Congress is about to change America in a more profound, permanent way right under your noses. In the process it will hand President Obama the major second term achievement that will help him overcome the very scandals that are distracting you–or, rather, make his survival or re-ascendance unimportant. He will have won. Democrats will have shaped the future electorate to their own liking. They’ll have transformed what America is.

Please forget about Benghazi and Cincinnati and Edward Snowden’s girlfriend for a minute and pay attention to the main event.

You have one weapon in your arsenal that can trump the big money behind the Gang of 8 bill (S.744). That weapon is fear. It’s not as if the Republican elite has suddenly been persuaded that an amnesty-first immigration bill is a good idea, after all. They’ve always preferred amnesty. They were just too scared to pursue it. What stopped them was the prospect of swift retribution from the electorate, not limited to the Republican primary electorate…

Ignore the f—ing scandals for a few days and save the country from Chuck Schumer.

He’s asking a lot in asking people to forget about Snowden’s girlfriend. What we need is a rallying point. Even now, despite getting rolled every which way by Schumer, Rubio’s still mostly liked and respected by conservatives. You’re not going to build a critical mass against the Gang of Eight bill by trying to turn him into King RINO. McCain and Graham are better targets for that, but they’re also old news. We’ve known Maverick and his sidekick are amnesty shills for years. If you’re not angry about that already, you’ll never be angry.

No, what we need is a real lightning rod, someone so distrusted by righties that his intrusion into the debate might singlehandedly catalyze the opposition that border hawks like Ted Cruz and Jeff Sessions have been waiting for. There’s only one man who can fit that bill. And … here he comes. Deus ex machina!

Republicans who favor reform are eyeing the president’s last-minute immigration push warily, worried that his presence in the process could threaten the delicate compromises Republicans and Democrats have made over the past several months.

“Mr. Obama adds nothing to the immigration debate at this point — not from a ideological perspective or tactical log-rolling perspective — and his entry at this point can only upset the tenuous balance negotiators are trying to create,” said Jonathan Collegio, spokesperson for American Crossroads. The Karl Rove-founded campaign spending group is running ads in support of the Gang of Eight immigration bill currently working its way through the Senate…

“Without President Obama engaged, immigration reform is now on track in the Senate and is moving forward in the House,” said Emily Benavides, a spokesperson for the American Action Network, another Republican spending group pushing for an immigration bill. “Reform would stand a much better chance if he devoted his time not to campaign-like posturing but to convincing his old colleagues in the Senate to support some very common sense amendments to strengthen the legislation currently being considered.”

He’s off to a fine start in exploding immigration negotiations with his East Room speech today, but we need much, much more Republican-bashing from him going forward. My recommendations: Accuse amnesty opponents of being bigots, suggest that he’ll speed up the law’s citizenship process by executive order, and maybe call Rubio a “punk” for good measure. I know he has it in him; dumping on the GOP is his favorite thing in the world to do. All we need is a few minutes of demagoguery at his next Q&A with the media and that ought to finish things off in the House. C’mon, champ. This is what you do best.

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The Impact of Illegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers
 
A Briefing Before The United States Commission on Civil Rights Held in Washington, DC
 
…illegal workers are estimated to account for as much as one-third of total immigrants in the United States, and that illegal immigration has tended to increase the supply of low-skilled, low-wage labor available. The Commission found also that about six in 10 adult black males have a high school diploma or less, and are disproportionately employed in the low-skilled labor market in likely competition with immigrants.
 
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/IllegImmig_10-14-10_430pm.pdf

rogerb on June 11, 2013 at 6:54 PM

…and that illegal immigration has tended to increase the supply of low-skilled, low-wage labor available… (60% of black males) in likely competition with immigrants.

 
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/IllegImmig_10-14-10_430pm.pdf

 
Ha.
 
I just realized that our resident (D)s will probably look at this and say “Duh, that’s why they need to be legal citizens!”

rogerb on June 11, 2013 at 7:07 PM

“The end of illegal immigration” — Schumer today

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Levin is starting to talk on Immigration. Taking calls

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

This is just plain BS. This bill would never have stood a chance were it not for Judas Rubio!

redware on June 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

You have one weapon in your arsenal that can trump the big money behind the Gang of 8 bill (S.744). That weapon is fear.

Honesty.

libfreeordie on June 11, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Why not make an argument about the way increased immigration will place downward pressure on wages. Oh right, that’s because the right refuses to talk about wages.

libfreeordie on June 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM

The Impact of Illegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers

A Briefing Before The United States Commission on Civil Rights Held in Washington, DC

…illegal workers are estimated to account for as much as one-third of total immigrants in the United States, and that illegal immigration has tended to increase the supply of low-skilled, low-wage labor available. The Commission found also that about six in 10 adult black males have a high school diploma or less, and are disproportionately employed in the low-skilled labor market in likely competition with immigrants.

http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/IllegImmig_10-14-10_430pm.pdf

rogerb on June 11, 2013 at 6:54 PM

I believe you call this race hustling.

libfreeordie on June 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Why are we doing this? How did the collective energies of the GOP ever consent to focus on THIS issue at THIS moment? It’s some kind of hysterical reaction formation — what else can it be? The economy has tanked, the seemingy invincible Obama is reeling from scandals, the conservatives have a smorgasbord of campaign issues unlike anything in our history — piles of proof building every day that our government is irredeemably corrupt and the enemy f the people — and so now we’re going to throw a lifeline to Obama and the Left and reaffirm another big government abomination of “reform” which any semi-observant student of politics knows will ONLY serve the interests of democrats. This is the self-destructive opposite of political opportunism. These people in the GOP cannot be this stupid. They must be mad. This must be the final madness that accompanies apocalypse, the terminal stages of Stockholm Syndrome.

rrpjr on June 11, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I believe you call this race hustling.

libfreeordie on June 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM

That’s what YOU do.

Don’t think you’re going to trying turning tables here. Many of us have your own posts saved for further use.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 7:19 PM

libfreeordie on June 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM

You are not among us, not one of us. We neither want you nor need you.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Paul is dead to me. AS are the others who voted for this.

Mr. Arrogant on June 11, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Rand is too much like his dad – Cruz is far better.

She almost never comments on immigration. It’s a glaring hole.

alwaysfiredup on June 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM

What do you believe is the reason for this?

Anti-Control on June 11, 2013 at 7:25 PM

I urge you to speak out in opposition to this environmental catastrophe in
the making.

Charlemagne on June 11, 2013 at 4:56 PM

That was an excellent response!! You covered all bases too. Good job!! It will be interesting to see their reply to you.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 7:27 PM

The Commission found also that about six in 10 adult black males have a high school diploma or less, and are disproportionately employed in the low-skilled labor market in likely competition with immigrants.
 
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/IllegImmig_10-14-10_430pm.pdf

 
I believe you call this race hustling.
 
libfreeordie on June 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM

 

So you don’t want to address the actual issue? I can certainly understand why.
 
Do you believe the 60% of black men with a high school diploma or less are competing against IT professionals and interior designers for their jobs?
 
Or are they competing against other low-skill, low-tech workers like illegals?
 
Which is it?

rogerb on June 11, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Which is it?

rogerb on June 11, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Save it, really. libfree is a hit-and-run psychotic — the HA equivalent of a school shooter/sniper.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Or are they competing against other low-skill, low-tech workers like illegals?

Which is it?

rogerb on June 11, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Blacks once dominated the construction industry in Los Angeles. Illegals changed all that.

rrpjr on June 11, 2013 at 7:34 PM

She almost never comments on immigration. It’s a glaring hole.

alwaysfiredup on June 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM

What do you believe is the reason for this?

Anti-Control on June 11, 2013 at 7:25 PM

I’ve personally no idea but this is one spot where you can see how she’s stood on immigration ideas before–especially when it came to Jan Brewer and Arizona’s laws:
http://sarahpalininformation.wordpress.com/sarah-palin-news/immigration/

theotherone on June 11, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Obozo’s not going to help us out on this one.

The state of the the righty media is a pitiful disgrace. Amnesty is a done deal, and the conservative media is using scandalmania as a distraction to cram immigration reform down our throats. After amnesty has passed, the Republican establishment will do nothing about impeaching the worst, most destructive president in US history. They can’t even drive his approval rating below 45%.

And then we’ll add 12-40 million Democrat voters to the books.

The game is over.

sauldalinsky on June 11, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Jeff Sessions on Mark Levin’s show: “This bill is worse than 2007.”

TarheelBen on June 11, 2013 at 7:40 PM

They can’t even drive his approval rating below 45%.
sauldalinsky on June 11, 2013 at 7:38 PM

They’re not even trying. And they won’t. They remain under the fever-pitched delusion that the MSM will do this for them — once, you know, journalists come to their senses and act like the noble umpires of our political system we know they really are.

The abject refusal to demonstrate even basic self-respecting partisanship in the face of these gifts of scandal (nevermind the failure to demonstrate a virile defense of laws and values and Constitutional probity in the face of Obama’s aasault over the past four years) is beyond sick.

rrpjr on June 11, 2013 at 7:48 PM

I’ve personally no idea but this is one spot where you can see how she’s stood on immigration ideas before–especially when it came to Jan Brewer and Arizona’s laws:
http://sarahpalininformation.wordpress.com/sarah-palin-news/immigration/

theotherone on June 11, 2013 at 7:35 PM

Not willing to speculate on why she’s being silent now?

Anti-Control on June 11, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Jeff Sessions on Mark Levin’s show: “This bill is worse than 2007.”

TarheelBen on June 11, 2013 at 7:40 PM

No doubt about that! This current bill is a mega-disaster.

Anti-Control on June 11, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Not willing to speculate on why she’s being silent now?

Anti-Control on June 11, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Nope. I can’t read her mind and I’m not going to try. For those who hate her, no speculation would be “good enough,” and for those who support her, any speculation would be considered second guessing her. So I won’t even bother.

theotherone on June 11, 2013 at 8:01 PM

The Commission found also that about six in 10 adult black males have a high school diploma or less, and are disproportionately employed in the low-skilled labor market in likely competition with immigrants.
 
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/IllegImmig_10-14-10_430pm.pdf
 
rogerb on June 11, 2013 at 6:54 PM

 
I believe you call this race hustling.
 
libfreeordie on June 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM

 
Do you believe the 60% of black men with a high school diploma or less are competing against IT professionals and interior designers for their jobs?
 
Or are they competing against other low-skill, low-tech workers like illegals?
 
Which is it?
 
rogerb on June 11, 2013 at 7:29 PM

 
C’mon, professor. Explain to us how black laborers compete with speech therapists and not other laborers like illegals.

rogerb on June 11, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Nope. I can’t read her mind and I’m not going to try. For those who hate her, no speculation would be “good enough,” and for those who support her, any speculation would be considered second guessing her. So I won’t even bother.

theotherone on June 11, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Is saying that she isn’t showing leadership on this issue a “personal attack” against her in your book?

Anti-Control on June 11, 2013 at 8:09 PM

So has anyone wandered over to NumbersUSA? Are they organizing anything? I might have to check it out.

JAM on June 11, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Why not make an argument about the way increased immigration will place downward pressure on wages. Oh right, that’s because the right refuses to talk about wages.

libfreeordie

And here we have yet another of our resident liars doing what he does best: Lie. The better and more honest question is why aren’t democrats making this argument?

xblade on June 11, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Levin is starting to talk on Immigration. Taking calls

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Levin went back to data mining. He had Jeff Sessions on. I only heard Mark mention Rubio’s name and that was when he was reading off the names of the R’s that voted Yes on cloture etc.

Seems like he’s talking about everything but Rubio. Not good, considering how Rubio came out and outright lied about the border security.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:30 PM

How did the collective energies of the GOP ever consent to focus on THIS issue at THIS moment?

rrpjr

Well, it’s not for votes, you can count on that.

This plan was drawn up well before the first vote was cast in the November election. That’s why they came out pushing for amnesty 5 seconds after the election was over. It wouldn’t surprise me that they were working behind the scenes to make sure Obama won just so they could push it.

xblade on June 11, 2013 at 8:31 PM

Rubio and Senate Republicans voting to turn the entire United States into California.

Our only hope is that the House kills it, but I don’t have much faith in that happening.

GOP, Democrat…what’s the difference? They’re both destroying the country.

DRayRaven on June 11, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Senator Jeff Sessions told Mark Levin that if this bill passes, it will be Amnesty Immediately! Rove, SEIU, Special Interests, Leadership are all for it. The only ones left out are the American people, along with the workers.

All of the promises of border enforcement are not fulfilled in this bill. The triggers are worthless and even if a Commission is formed, it has no power.

Sessions said keep phoning. Mark gave the W.H. Switchboard #:
202-224-3121

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Please, please head over to NUMBERSUSA.COM and send your senators and congress critters a fax opposing this bill!! They need to be inundated!! Email and call!! Time to melt the phones just like ’06!!

JAM on June 11, 2013 at 8:39 PM

So has anyone wandered over to NumbersUSA? Are they organizing anything? I might have to check it out.

JAM on June 11, 2013 at 8:12 PM

TxAnn56 on June 2, 2013 at 6:53 PM posted the following link:

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/files/4BigProblems.pdf

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Levin is starting to talk on Immigration. Taking calls

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Levin needs to stop blaming everyone but his “precious little Marco” for this monstrosity.

bw222 on June 11, 2013 at 8:41 PM

I’m so sick of the lies and disingenuousness of the Left.

Charlemagne on June 11, 2013 at 3:22 PM

No one has lied more about this than Marco Rubio. He ran to the right on Crist on amnesty during the primary. He criticized the amnesty of 1986 during the general campaign. He said he would pull out if it wasn’t enforcement first. He has, at times, claimed this was this is “enforcement on steroids.” Rubio claimed the illegals would have to pay fines and back taxes; now it appears this isn’t true.

Rubio has shown that he is as big a liar and fraud as John McCain.

bw222 on June 11, 2013 at 8:53 PM

The only way amnesty gets to Obama’s desk(barring the Dems caving on border security which will NEVER happen) is if Boehner ignores the Hastert Rule and allows the Senate’s bill to come to a vote on the House floor. And if that happens, someone better have a very good explanation as to why we even need a Republican Party anymore.

Doughboy on June 11, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Where the hell have you been?

True_King on June 11, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Levin needs to stop blaming everyone but his “precious little Marco” for this monstrosity.

bw222 on June 11, 2013 at 8:41 PM

I agree. He’s promoted him for a long time and now that Rubio has lied openly about this Amnesty, Levin should at least acknowledge
his displeasure. Staying silent isn’t helpful. People notice these kinds of misplaced trust.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:57 PM

You know, there was a time when I felt COMFORTABLE about calling my elected representative about an issue as HUGE as this and voicing my opinion.

I miss those times. I wonder if my elected representative feels the same way.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Levin needs to stop blaming everyone but his “precious little Marco” for this monstrosity.

bw222 on June 11, 2013 at 8:41 PM
I agree. He’s promoted him for a long time and now that Rubio has lied openly about this Amnesty, Levin should at least acknowledge
his displeasure. Staying silent isn’t helpful. People notice these kinds of misplaced trust.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Rubio has lost all credibility. I believe he may have been “put in place” as a Tea Party candidate, but was a Dem in disguise. October, 2010.

Wow.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Levin needs to stop blaming everyone but his “precious little Marco” for this monstrosity.

bw222 on June 11, 2013 at 8:41 PM

I agree. He’s promoted him for a long time and now that Rubio has lied openly about this Amnesty, Levin should at least acknowledge
his displeasure. Staying silent isn’t helpful. People notice these kinds of misplaced trust.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Ok, do you *listen* to the show?

I just got out of the car, and Levin was railing against the lies of the bill, the lies of the propaganda ads being run by the bogus ‘conservative’ organization. There’s nothing going on there that would lead anyone to think he’s not ‘acknowledging his displeasure’. WTF are you smoking?

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Please, please head over to NUMBERSUSA.COM and send your senators and congress critters a fax opposing this bill!! They need to be inundated!! Email and call!! Time to melt the phones just like ’06!!

JAM on June 11, 2013 at 8:39 PM

That’s certainly an interesting thought. Do so knowing that your ‘file’ in DC in various bureaus will be getting a little check box as part of the process, of course.

I think I’m simply ready for the war to begin at this point.

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Sessions said keep phoning. Mark gave the W.H. Switchboard #:
202-224-3121

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:38 PM

The WH? roflmao, why the f*ck would you want to call the WH about this? I have some lettuce growing in my yard that is more likely to do something against this amnesty bill than the WH – anyone want the telephone number to my lettuce?

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Levin went back to data mining. He had Jeff Sessions on. I only heard Mark mention Rubio’s name and that was when he was reading off the names of the R’s that voted Yes on cloture etc.

Seems like he’s talking about everything but Rubio. Not good, considering how Rubio came out and outright lied about the border security.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:30 PM

You didn’t hear him mention Rubio and Paul by name as being in that propaganda commercial?

You’re not really listening to the show, are you?

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Did he call out Rubio?

Levin is delayed in the Detroit market. It’s just starting the second hour. I never said Levin hasn’t opposed this monstrosity; I said he has given Rubio a pass.

Learn to read!

If he does call out Rubio tonight, I’ll apologize, but I have never heard him criticize Rubio for his role in destroying the country. As people have said before, it’s like criticizing communism but defending Stalin.

bw222 on June 11, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Key West Reader on June 11, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Don’t be surprised if Rubio switches parties in a few years when he discovers that Republicans can’t be elected President, even if they are Hispanic. If amnesty passes, elections will be entirely about free stuff.

bw222 on June 11, 2013 at 9:15 PM

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Ok, do you *listen* to the show?

I just got out of the car, and Levin was railing against the lies of the bill, the lies of the propaganda ads being run by the bogus ‘conservative’ organization. There’s nothing going on there that would lead anyone to think he’s not ‘acknowledging his displeasure’. WTF are you smoking?

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Yes, I listen to his show almost every night. Yes, he’s railing against the Amnesty bill and has been for quite some time. That wasn’t my point. He’s promoted Rubio and has had him on his show quite often. Now that Rubio has shown himself to be a liar without any doubt, Levin should have mentioned that. Even Rush said he was “disappointed” in Rubio today. That is the least Levin could have said. And by not doing so, he gave me the impression that he still thinks Rubio is an honorable person!!

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Wow.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Thanks. I’ll read that in a minute as soon as I see what Midas is in a fit about:-)

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:17 PM

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Thanks for the h/t. The next two weeks will be critical. The calls, emails and faxes have to really go up. This is what happened in 2007. Cloture was 34-61, so they picked up a lot more traitors this time around. Kaus’ article is spot on. I’m taking a naturalized citizen co-worker to Cornyn’s Houston office next week so she can give them an earful. I may or may not tear up my voter’s registration card there. (I can get a replacement but theatrics prove a point). This phony amendment of his is only to provide cover to moderates so they can vote for this piece of excrement in the end. I personally will not vote for Cornyn next year so he knows his a$$ is on the line. Thank God for Ted Cruz and especially Jeff Sessions.

TxAnn56 on June 11, 2013 at 9:18 PM

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:38 PM

The WH? roflmao, why the f*ck would you want to call the WH about this? I have some lettuce growing in my yard that is more likely to do something against this amnesty bill than the WH – anyone want the telephone number to my lettuce?

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:08 PM

I figured Conservatives would know that is the Capitol Switchboard #. Stop being obtuse. Another thing, I use my own phone and own money and call every Senator, Dem & R alike directly.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:21 PM

TxAnn56 on June 11, 2013 at 9:18 PM

I’ve been looking for you, LOL I lost that link you posted about Adelson giving 100 grand to Boehner. Do you have it?

Thanks

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:23 PM

I agree. He’s promoted him for a long time and now that Rubio has lied openly about this Amnesty, Levin should at least acknowledge
his displeasure. Staying silent isn’t helpful. People notice these kinds of misplaced trust.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Yep!

Kudos to you and TxAnn56 and others for your leg work! :)

Anti-Control on June 11, 2013 at 9:24 PM

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:30 PM

You didn’t hear him mention Rubio and Paul by name as being in that propaganda commercial?

You’re not really listening to the show, are you?

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:09 PM

If you would bother to notice I posted that at 8:30PM. Mark did mention what you posted and since his show ends at 9:00PM, I was elsewhere. Then I get back on this thread and you are throwing a fit, so haven’t had time to post what I heard. But since you have, thanks.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Its just a sideshow, the bill is DOA in the house.

Ellis on June 11, 2013 at 9:31 PM

This phony amendment of his is only to provide cover to moderates so they can vote for this piece of excrement in the end. I personally will not vote for Cornyn next year so he knows his a$$ is on the line. Thank God for Ted Cruz and especially Jeff Sessions.

TxAnn56 on June 11, 2013 at 9:18 PM

No problem on the h/t:-) Oh yes, I know Cornyn fairly well. He’s trying to stay close to Cruz also, LOL Just like McConnell is shadowing Rand Paul; so funny. Cornyn & McConnell are so transparent:-) McConnell even hired Paul’s campaign manager, which you probably already know.

I know we really have to make the calls. I posted a couple of links for Senators and House #’s. I’ll repost it asap since this thread may continue tonight.

Good for you taking your co-worker to his office.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Its just a sideshow, the bill is DOA in the house.

Ellis on June 11, 2013 at 9:31 PM

You do know that Boner was on with Stephanopolous this weekend saying that his number one priority this year was immigration reform, right? Right?

DOA? With this crop of GOP ‘leaders’? Methinks thou art overly confident.

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Its just a sideshow, the bill is DOA in the house.

Ellis on June 11, 2013 at 9:31 PM

I wouldn’t take that bet. Boehner carries the water that Reid carries for B.O., or haven’t you noticed?

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:38 PM

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Yep!

Kudos to you and TxAnn56 and others for your leg work! :)

Anti-Control on June 11, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Thanks. I needed that after Midas barking at me:-)

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Repost:

Here is the Senate list, phone #’s and email addresses:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

House: http://www.nagc.org/uploadedFiles/Advocacy/Congressional%20Directory%20%28113%29.pdf

NOTE: I WOULD USE THE 1ST LINK FOR THE SENATE INFO AS I’VE FOUND WRONG #’S FOR THE SENATE IN THAT 2ND LINK.

THE HOUSE #’S THO IN THE 2ND LINK ALL APPEAR TO BE CORRECT.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Easy to print out and have it handy when calling or faxing.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:43 PM

I figured Conservatives would know that is the Capitol Switchboard #.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Is it like Tourette’s or something – you knew it was the Capitol number, you just couldn’t help blurting out something else?

And I’m not throwing a fit, I’m just pointing out the dishonest comments that Levin never seems to take exception to this bill or to Rubio. This isn’t a ‘todays show’ thing, this is bitching I see on these threads daily, and it simply isn’t true. You didn’t just miss it in the last 30 minutes of today’s show, you’ve apparently missed it numerous times. But feel free to bleat away anyway.

Hey, maybe you knew the reality, but just couldn’t help yourself and blurted out something else?

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM

This bill represents a totally dishonest BAIT & SWITCH con.
It’s all about LEGALIZATION first. If they were serious about real border security and visa tracking these politicians would have passed the relevant laws separately long ago instead of holding them hostage. Once they get the legalization with benefits at your expense the hostages will slowly die.

“FIRST comes the legalization. THEN come the measures to secure the border. And then comes the process of permanent residence. What we’re talking about here is the system of permanent residence”

Chessplayer on June 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Thanks. I needed that after Midas barking at me:-)

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

All woofing aside, I apologize for my foul mood, and yes, thanks for the work it looks like you’re doing. :)

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Done with Rand Paul.

Panther on June 11, 2013 at 9:46 PM

The United States cannot regain its competitive standing in the world by importing low wage workers from other countries. On the one hand, it engenders conditions this country cannot and should not tolerate. On the other hand, in the modern age, a nation’s wealth and prosperity is secured by high worker productivity and capital investment, not by the availability of low-wage labour.”

– Senator Eugene McCarthy (D-MN), 1968 Democratic Presidential nominee

“The immigration Act of 1965 changed all previous patterns, and in so doing, probably changed the future of America … [it] was noble, revolutionary – and probably the most thoughtless of many acts of the Great Society.”

- Theodore White, American political journalist, historian, and novelist, Kennedy family intimate, coiner of the term “Camelot” to describe the Kennedy Administration, America in Search of Itself: The Making of the President 1956-1980, 1982

Immigration Reform: If The Past Is Prologue…

M2RB: Lynyrd Skynryd

Resist We Much on June 11, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Are we cool now? Anymore complaints? I think everyone is fired up over this Amnesty, but I’m on the right side:-)

I usually have 8-10 windows open while listening to the radio or TV so can’t always get back to comment.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:47 PM

You know, there was a time when I felt COMFORTABLE about calling my elected representative about an issue as HUGE as this and voicing my opinion.

I miss those times. I wonder if my elected representative feels the same way.

Key West Reader on June 11, 2013 at 9:00 PM

I suspect many of them are actually glad that we’re not ‘comfortable’ calling them.

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Are we cool now? Anymore complaints? I think everyone is fired up over this Amnesty, but I’m on the right side:-)

I usually have 8-10 windows open while listening to the radio or TV so can’t always get back to comment.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:47 PM

We’re cool. :)

I have one raw nerve left, and this immigration thing is jumping up and down on it. I interpreted comments to be making incorrect statements about one of the most vocal folks out there in the conservative media who is openly opposed to this – I apologize for misunderstanding.

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:49 PM

You do know that Boner was on with Stephanopolous this weekend saying that his number one priority this year was immigration reform, right? Right?

DOA? With this crop of GOP ‘leaders’? Methinks thou art overly confident.

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Probably a dumb lib troll thinking he can fake us out. Hey don’t bother calling anyone because the bill is DOA in the House.

Wigglesworth on June 11, 2013 at 9:51 PM

FYI Here is a six-page memo that R opponents of the Gang of Eight is circulating. It is a condensation of objections to provisions in the bill.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/350762/heres-memo-gang-eight-opponents-are-sending-around-senate-jonathan-strong

onlineanalyst on June 11, 2013 at 9:53 PM

My problems with Marco Rubio are two-fold:

1. He is a leader in working to destroy our country through amnesty and chain migration.

2. He has consistently lied about his role and the aspects of the bill: it’s not amnesty; border security, illegals will have to pay a fine and back taxes, etc. As we learn more about the bill, we discover that these are all lies.

bw222 on June 11, 2013 at 9:53 PM

“FIRST comes the legalization. THEN come the measures to secure the border. And then comes the process of permanent residence. What we’re talking about here is the system of permanent residence”

Chessplayer on June 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM

Thanks for that link. Glad Breitbart posted the transcript of that ad. I’ve heard that every day for weeks and always wished that Rush or Hannity would make a correction. I knew the ad was a lie the first time I heard it, since I read the S.744 bill.

Rubio will regret lying to the American people.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:54 PM

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

All woofing aside, I apologize for my foul mood, and yes, thanks for the work it looks like you’re doing. :)

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM

That’s fine, at least you didn’t bite, LOL

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Done with Rand Paul.

Panther on June 11, 2013 at 9:46 PM

Why? Did I miss something?

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Why? Did I miss something?

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Rand Paul was among the Republicans that voted for the bill to move forward. Ron Paul was 90% libertarian and 10% conservative. Rand Paul is better but he’s still 70% libertarian and 30% conservative.

bw222 on June 11, 2013 at 10:03 PM

If this actually passes the House, the GOP needs to be destroyed and replaced.

WisCon on June 11, 2013 at 10:04 PM

82-15

McConnell and Sens. John Cornyn (Texas), Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Deb Fischer (Neb.), Rob Portman (Ohio), John Thune (S.D.), Orrin Hatch (Utah), Jeff Chiesa (N.J.), Roger Wicker (Miss.), Thad Cochran (Miss.), Pat Toomey (Pa.), Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), John Hoeven (N.D.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Rand Paul (Ky.), Susan Collins (Maine), Jerry Moran (Kan.), Roy Blunt (Mo.), Dan Coats (Ind.), Dean Heller (Nev.), Ron Johnson (Wis.), Bob Corker (Tenn.), Mike Johanns (Neb.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.) and Saxby Chambliss (Ga.) were the Republicans who voted to advance the bill.

Panther on June 11, 2013 at 10:05 PM

I’m got Senator Cruz left…after that..I’m done.

Panther on June 11, 2013 at 10:09 PM

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:47 PM

We’re cool. :)

I have one raw nerve left, and this immigration thing is jumping up and down on it. I interpreted comments to be making incorrect statements about one of the most vocal folks out there in the conservative media who is openly opposed to this – I apologize for misunderstanding.

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:49 PM

LOL. Oh, I think very highly of Levin. He’s #1 as far as I’m concerned but he does have a blind spot regarding Rubio. He’ll work it out tho:-)

The gun control bill riles me up something fierce, especially since those 16 R traitors voted for cloture and now Reid can bring it back up.

As someone said, we can’t win if we don’t fight!

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Levin is very reluctant to criticize his friends. He always praises Sean Hannity as a conservative even though Hannity is an establishment hack, who also supports this bill.

bw222 on June 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Panther on June 11, 2013 at 10:05 PM

I know they voted for cloture. Jeff Sessions was on this evening with Mark Levin and he said they wanted a chance for debate and also to put forth Amendments. Keep in mind that the Republicans don’t have the numbers. Besides there are 4 or 5 R’s that always vote with the Dems anyway.

Let’s see what happens with the Amendments they put up and how the votes on those turn out.

All we can do now is call, call and call and make our opposition known. Our voice is all we have, so let’s use it. That’s what Jeff Sessions said to do.

I’m going to call any Dem Senator that may happen to be up for election in 2014. Then all of the R Senators regardless.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 10:24 PM

I’m a landscaper in Tucson. This will finish me off.

wolly4321 on June 11, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Rand Paul was among the Republicans that voted for the bill to move forward. Ron Paul was 90% libertarian and 10% conservative. Rand Paul is better but he’s still 70% libertarian and 30% conservative.

bw222 on June 11, 2013 at 10:03 PM

I wouldn’t worry about Rand Paul yet. Many others voted for cloture also and for the reasons I posted to Panther.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 10:30 PM

That’s fine, at least you didn’t bite, LOL

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:56 PM

No – but my lettuce assures me it will do everything it can to stop the bill. ;)

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 10:53 PM

I believe you call this race hustling.libfreeordie on June 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Nope, calling a spade a spade.

Given the realities of unskilled black demographics, Id rather give a spade to the black AMERICAN who for whatever reason is low-skilled (don’t care if he acted foolishly as a yoot in skrwul by not acting white, or caught up in WOD). At least it’s a J-o-b and sufficiently motivated, he can rectify his error and strive to pursue the American dream.

On the other hand, you advocate empowering the same type low skill illegal to ditch his cesspool nation and steal him some American dream, usually the green part and not the red white and blue part. Tragically for edumacted fools like you, you don’t realize that you’re encouraging Jorge to steal George’s birthright which is the fruit of citizenship and second chances.

Jorge has no legal claim to George’s job, just a willingness to work for cash under the table and we (govt) sweeten the pot for Jorge by discouraging his American competition by incenting George to not work with welfare, entitlements and if that doesn’t work, incarcerate him for being a WOD entrepreneur.

Well guess what? When 30 million illegals pop out to claim legal status and the entitlements, we’ll have to ‘import’ another wave of illegals because both George and Jorge (and his siblings and cousins) will be pushed out of the job market by jorge’s neighbor. Where’s the compassion?

Maybe if Jorge just likes to work, he can fake his documents and take your job because he’ll settle for 3/4 you salary and half your 401k. Won’t that be sweet. Of course you can’t blame him. We gave Jorge precedent to forge docs to get working status, why can’t we extend the same for professional status? Double-thinking, consequences is on your breakfast menu on that new day. Enjoy.

AH_C on June 11, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Well, it’s burning.
As soon as the fire dies down and the embers cool, it’ll be time to rebuild.
The Founders’ blueprint was amazing. Note that it did not attempt to protect us from ourselves. I’m sure they figured that if we allowed ourselves to get into such a sorry state, we deserved the consequences.
The next time, we ought to maybe figure a way to immunize against the disease of leftism/liberalism and its carriers like Obama, Schumer, Rubio and the like.
Or maybe not. Maybe the Founders figured that freedom, being the God-given natural state of things, might fade on occasion, but would rise up again out of the ashes and be stronger than before.
I dunno.

justltl on June 11, 2013 at 11:41 PM

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:56 PM

No – but my lettuce assures me it will do everything it can to stop the bill. ;)

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 10:53 PM

LOL. We’re supposed to have severe thunderstorms tomorrow, so I won’t be working in the yard. I have my Senate & House list printed out so I’ll be ready to go.

If you want to see a clip of Ted Cruz today in the Senate, go here:

http://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-i-very-much-want-common-sense-immigration-reform-to-pass/

Some of the comments are awesome also.

P.S. The home page even has a couple of Levin videos.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Maybe if Jorge just likes to work, he can fake his documents and take your job because he’ll settle for 3/4 you salary and half your 401k. Won’t that be sweet. Of course you can’t blame him. We gave Jorge precedent to forge docs to get working status, why can’t we extend the same for professional status? Double-thinking, consequences is on your breakfast menu on that new day. Enjoy.

AH_C on June 11, 2013 at 11:22 PM

People don’t think ahead. This law has not only immediate consequences, but years of future ones. It must be defeated!

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Even now, despite getting rolled every which way by Schumer, Rubio’s still mostly liked and respected by conservatives.

I still can’t get my head around that sentence. AP managed to destroy my brain.

Myron Falwell on June 11, 2013 at 11:53 PM

The Founders’ blueprint was amazing. Note that it did not attempt to protect us from ourselves. I’m sure they figured that if we allowed ourselves to get into such a sorry state, we deserved the consequences. justltl on June 11, 2013 at 11:41 PM

You make some thoughtful points. The Founders were building a Country and produced a fine work. Now we have those that want to
destroy it. Sad to see it.

I certainly hope we find a way to overcome and stop the ruin.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 11:58 PM

I still can’t get my head around that sentence. AP managed to destroy my brain.

Myron Falwell on June 11, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Did AP name any? LOL

Going to see if the QOTD is up. I’ve been busy on other threads.

bluefox on June 12, 2013 at 12:00 AM

I have to admit that my darker side wants these traitorous vermin to suffer deeply for their destruction of the country that I knew and loved.
But that kind of justice seems to only happen in the movies.
In real life, the villains just retreat into the darkness, their only punishment being what they have to look at in the mirror each day.
So have a nice long look every day, Marco, Ryan, Boehner and the rest of your ilk.
You deserve yourselves.

justltl on June 12, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Thank you, bluefox.
I hope so too.

justltl on June 12, 2013 at 12:08 AM

Did AP name any? LOL

bluefox on June 12, 2013 at 12:00 AM

They are probably the same “conservatives” who also think Kristie Kreme will ride us to electability victory train in 2016.

Or the same who still inexplicably take Morning Shmoe, Kant-Win-Karl Rove and/or Ann Coulter seriously.

Myron Falwell on June 12, 2013 at 12:29 AM

There are now TWO groups to whom the RINOs are willing to pander:
Democrats AND illegal immigrants.

LOL!

That actually counts as only ONE group, but those RINOs seem to think otherwise.

Wow! What a stupid bunch of idiots!
Our laws mean nothing because the politicians refuse to enforce them.

shorebird on June 12, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Asta la vista baby!

LeftCoastRight on June 12, 2013 at 2:19 AM

The biggest bunch of traitors and threat that this country faces, are in political office. Until we get rid of them, all this Hot Air is useless.

N4646W on June 12, 2013 at 4:00 AM

One of the critical issues that we have to confront is illegal immigration, because this is a multi-headed Hydra that affects our economy, our health care, our health care, our education systems, our national security, and also our local criminality. – Allen West
My take.

kingsjester on June 12, 2013 at 6:31 AM

I’m starting to really get the idea that the gang of ?(whatever) is just another GOP ruse; a cover to allow them to be the helpless buy wealthy co-rulers they are.

This entire stunt of amnesty by the renegade gangs has been tried and failed. Enforce the old laws first–never repeat disasters and failures.

When will they demand their own RINOs answer for their leftist-pleasing shenanigans? They have the necessary weapons to pressure compliance and they certainly had no trouble taking down Palin and fighting the tea party or sending out Karl(hit man)Rove to work against the GOP base.

Don L on June 12, 2013 at 7:11 AM

Thanks. I needed that after Midas barking at me:-)

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

Y/w – I wanted you to know that what you are doing was appreciated.

I am glad you and Midas got things straightened out, too! :)

I will admit I am optimistic about this working out in the end for us – of course, I could be wrong, I just don’t believe so. :crossing fingers:

Anti-Control on June 12, 2013 at 7:43 AM

Cheaper burritos for all.
 
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