Last, best chance to stop the Gang of Eight bill: Obama’s starting to get involved in immigration reform again

posted at 3:21 pm on June 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

The situation’s critical, my friends. Senate Republicans are beginning to cave. Rubio’s screwing around with sideshow amendments designed to pander to conservatives without fixing the real problem in the bill. Boehner’s talking about having something on Obama’s desk by the end of the year.

Mickey Kaus sounds the alarm: It’s panic time.

It’s time to wake up! Conservatives–while you are (rightly) excited about NSA snooping and partisan IRS corruption, the Congress is about to change America in a more profound, permanent way right under your noses. In the process it will hand President Obama the major second term achievement that will help him overcome the very scandals that are distracting you–or, rather, make his survival or re-ascendance unimportant. He will have won. Democrats will have shaped the future electorate to their own liking. They’ll have transformed what America is.

Please forget about Benghazi and Cincinnati and Edward Snowden’s girlfriend for a minute and pay attention to the main event.

You have one weapon in your arsenal that can trump the big money behind the Gang of 8 bill (S.744). That weapon is fear. It’s not as if the Republican elite has suddenly been persuaded that an amnesty-first immigration bill is a good idea, after all. They’ve always preferred amnesty. They were just too scared to pursue it. What stopped them was the prospect of swift retribution from the electorate, not limited to the Republican primary electorate…

Ignore the f—ing scandals for a few days and save the country from Chuck Schumer.

He’s asking a lot in asking people to forget about Snowden’s girlfriend. What we need is a rallying point. Even now, despite getting rolled every which way by Schumer, Rubio’s still mostly liked and respected by conservatives. You’re not going to build a critical mass against the Gang of Eight bill by trying to turn him into King RINO. McCain and Graham are better targets for that, but they’re also old news. We’ve known Maverick and his sidekick are amnesty shills for years. If you’re not angry about that already, you’ll never be angry.

No, what we need is a real lightning rod, someone so distrusted by righties that his intrusion into the debate might singlehandedly catalyze the opposition that border hawks like Ted Cruz and Jeff Sessions have been waiting for. There’s only one man who can fit that bill. And … here he comes. Deus ex machina!

Republicans who favor reform are eyeing the president’s last-minute immigration push warily, worried that his presence in the process could threaten the delicate compromises Republicans and Democrats have made over the past several months.

“Mr. Obama adds nothing to the immigration debate at this point — not from a ideological perspective or tactical log-rolling perspective — and his entry at this point can only upset the tenuous balance negotiators are trying to create,” said Jonathan Collegio, spokesperson for American Crossroads. The Karl Rove-founded campaign spending group is running ads in support of the Gang of Eight immigration bill currently working its way through the Senate…

“Without President Obama engaged, immigration reform is now on track in the Senate and is moving forward in the House,” said Emily Benavides, a spokesperson for the American Action Network, another Republican spending group pushing for an immigration bill. “Reform would stand a much better chance if he devoted his time not to campaign-like posturing but to convincing his old colleagues in the Senate to support some very common sense amendments to strengthen the legislation currently being considered.”

He’s off to a fine start in exploding immigration negotiations with his East Room speech today, but we need much, much more Republican-bashing from him going forward. My recommendations: Accuse amnesty opponents of being bigots, suggest that he’ll speed up the law’s citizenship process by executive order, and maybe call Rubio a “punk” for good measure. I know he has it in him; dumping on the GOP is his favorite thing in the world to do. All we need is a few minutes of demagoguery at his next Q&A with the media and that ought to finish things off in the House. C’mon, champ. This is what you do best.

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I’m so sick of the lies and disingenuousness of the Left.

If they were really supportive of passing legislation then they wouldn’t be so adamant in their opposition to strong internal and border security. Why doesn’t someone ask them why they refuse to secure the border?

The plain truth is that Obama and the Democrats cannot fundamentally transform the US into a socialist nation with an omnipotent central government with the current demographics and set of voters. Amnesty is all about changing the voters because if the ones you have won’t vote your way; get new voters.

Why the refusal to secure the border? Because it allows for more illegals to enter.

This bill must be defeated and border and internal security must be increased and enforced. If not, this country as we have known it will cease to exist.

Any number of future scenarios are then possible including civil war and/or secession. We conservatives will not live under socialism.

Do you understand that “mister” president?

Charlemagne on June 11, 2013 at 3:22 PM

President Snoop Dog to the rescue.

Flange on June 11, 2013 at 3:23 PM

I’m so sick of the lies and disingenuousness of the Left.

If they were really supportive of passing legislation then they wouldn’t be so adamant in their opposition to strong internal and border security. Why doesn’t someone ask them why they refuse to secure the border?

The plain truth is that Obama and the Democrats cannot fundamentally transform the US into a socialist nation with an omnipotent central government with the current demographics and set of voters. Amnesty is all about changing the voters because if the ones you have won’t vote your way; get new voters.

Why the refusal to secure the border? Because it allows for more illegals to enter.

This bill must be defeated and border and internal security must be increased and enforced. If not, this country as we have known it will cease to exist.

Any number of future scenarios are then possible including civil war and/or national physical disunion. We conservatives will not live under socialism.

Do you understand that “mister” president?

Charlemagne on June 11, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Finally! I was beginning to think nothing could stop this train, but if Obama starts shoveling the coal fast and furious, that may derail everything!

/Why give up a good train metaphor when you can run it all the way to the end of the line?

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 11, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Obstruct!

cmsinaz on June 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM

House Pubs will cave, or else!

I expect a lot of dirt to suddenly be ‘discovered’ by the LSM on those who oppose amnesty.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 3:29 PM

It isn’t enough to threaten not to support and donate to Rubio, McCain, Graham, and Ayotte. The party has to pull them aside and put them in place or we hold ALL of the GOP accountable. No more votes, no funding, out of the party and let them try to win the people that call them Republikkkans and republikakas.

El_Terrible on June 11, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Boehner’s talking about having something on Obama’s desk by the end of the year.

I’ll say it again for the 1000th time. This bill in theory should be DOA in the House. Either the Republicans pass a far more conservative bill(or the piecemeal approach with smaller bills) which will scare off a bunch of Dems(and even a few RINOs) back in the Senate, or they don’t pass anything in which case it doesn’t matter what the Senate does.

The only way amnesty gets to Obama’s desk(barring the Dems caving on border security which will NEVER happen) is if Boehner ignores the Hastert Rule and allows the Senate’s bill to come to a vote on the House floor. And if that happens, someone better have a very good explanation as to why we even need a Republican Party anymore.

Doughboy on June 11, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Fox News and their talking heads are completely in the tank for this bill and that makes a big difference.

Wigglesworth on June 11, 2013 at 3:31 PM

This must be stopped.

voiceofreason on June 11, 2013 at 3:31 PM

The House must be our defensive line. If Boehner screws us again there must be a change in leadership. He cannot retain the Speaker’s char.

Rep. Goodlatte has the right approach to this nightmare; pass small, digestible, narrowly focused bills and avoid anything “comprehensive” at all costs.

Didn’t the GOP learn anything from Obamacare?

I guarantee this bill will be the end of the GOP and they will lose far more base voters than they ever gain from Hispanics. This just demonstrates how much our votes are taken for granted.

Border security and internal enforcement MUST come first. There should be no compromise on this. The public supports this approach so why is the GOP supporting this madness? Who is getting a payoff?

Charlemagne on June 11, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Prepárense para ser asimilados. La resistencia es inútil.

steebo77 on June 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM

We are all Democrats now.

John the Libertarian on June 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM

It’s a done deal.

They azzhat’s havent passed a budget in 5 years but they can cram the crappy bills down our throat like Gere can lose a Hamster.

acyl72 on June 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM

or they don’t pass anything in which case it doesn’t matter what the Senate does.

It does matter if they pass something through the Senate. It means we cant trust our senators, and that the left advanced their cause. Given enough pressure, the house might cave in the lame duck session after the 2014 elections.

El_Terrible on June 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM

I expect a lot of dirt to suddenly be ‘discovered’ by the LSM on those who oppose amnesty.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Who needs the media? They’ll get a friendly call from the NSA, as Justice Roberts did.

John the Libertarian on June 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM

The bill won’t be defeated, not in the senate anyway.

Rubio has been lying his ass off from the start and everyone now knows it. He’s not allowing himself to be used, he’s a willing pawn.

Schumer? We’ve always know his stance. As you say, same with McCain and .graham as well.

Rubio is the one who lied n this issue. Yes, he lied, he’s still lying. His commercials are running naming him and Ryan, offering conservative reform still saying they want to secure the border first, after Rubio spending all weekend sayings the exact opposite. Not inferring or being vague n the subject either. Coming right out me saying legalization comes first, THEN the border. *spits*

Republicans in the Senate are almost all on board. They’ve thrown in their lot with the Left.

With Boner giving the House away, the upcoming debate is simply theater.

*spits again*

catmman on June 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM

The fix is in.

myiq2xu on June 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM

This is simple… takes the attention off all the other thigs like the IRS..ect….

watertown on June 11, 2013 at 3:34 PM

The Republican Donor Class (a/k/a/ the RUing Party) does not care that much if it ever takes the White House. It just wants to hold onto the power it has in the GOP and Congress, and keep the corporate welfare, including cheap labor, coming.

Wethal on June 11, 2013 at 3:34 PM

… is if Boehner ignores the Hastert Rule and allows the Senate’s bill to come to a vote on the House floor. And if that happens, someone better have a very good explanation as to why we even need a Republican Party anymore.

This what I expect to happen. The House leadership undermines the conservative agenda at every turn. They regularly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Charlemagne on June 11, 2013 at 3:34 PM

The only way amnesty gets to Obama’s desk(barring the Dems caving on border security which will NEVER happen) is if Boehner ignores the Hastert Rule and allows the Senate’s bill to come to a vote on the House floor. And if that happens, someone better have a very good explanation as to why we even need a Republican Party anymore.

Doughboy on June 11, 2013 at 3:30 PM

I think that is exactly what will happen, and as with the previous betrayals, they will not feel the need to explain anything to anybody. I regard the Republicans as little more than a potemkin opposition party these days.

As I’ve said before, one of the few things that will make me happy about amnesty is watching these guys get electorally obliterated.

Doomberg on June 11, 2013 at 3:35 PM

why is the GOP supporting this madness? Who is getting a payoff?

Charlemagne on June 11, 2013 at 3:31 PM

They’re foolish enough to think that Rubio might win Latino voters in 2016 if they support this.

I should I start a poll on Univision forums asking who supports Rubio for president. So far, it looks like they hate him despite what he’s done.

El_Terrible on June 11, 2013 at 3:35 PM

The House must be our defensive line. If Boehner screws us again there must be a change in leadership. He cannot retain the Speaker’s char.

Charlemagne on June 11, 2013 at 3:31 PM

If Boehner sells out the base on this one, it doesn’t matter who the GOP elects as their leader because soon there won’t be a GOP. And I don’t even think we’ll have to wait til tens of millions of new Dem voters are added to the rolls(although that will be the final nail in the coffin). I predict there will be such disgust among Republican voters that you can forget the Senate in 2014 and the White House in 2016. They may retain the House simply due to the gerrymandered districts, but we’ve seen how useful Republican control of that chamber has been over the last 2 1/2 years(i.e. NONE!).

Doughboy on June 11, 2013 at 3:37 PM

As I’ve said before, one of the few things that will make me happy about amnesty is watching these guys get electorally obliterated.

Doomberg on June 11, 2013 at 3:35 PM

If there is a conservative primary challenge to a Shamnesty RINO, the RINOs will run another “conservative” in the primary, and split the conservative vote. RINO wins the primary.

Wethal on June 11, 2013 at 3:37 PM

jorgeramosnews: In 2007 the Senate rejected to debate immigration reform 34-61. Today’s vote (82 -15) is completely different. New times, new Hispanic power

El_Terrible on June 11, 2013 at 3:38 PM

The Republican Donor Class (a/k/a/ the RUing Party) does not care that much if it ever takes the White House. It just wants to hold onto the power it has in the GOP and Congress, and keep the corporate welfare, including cheap labor, coming.

Wethal on June 11, 2013 at 3:34 PM

This.

kim roy on June 11, 2013 at 3:39 PM

“Obama’s starting to get involved in immigration reform again”

To the clueless: OBOZO is just angling to position himself to TAKE ALL THE CREDIT (for this atrocity) WHILE AVOIDING ALL THE BLAME. (Same as he did for the OBOZOCARE atrocity.

TeaPartyNation on June 11, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Fox News and their talking heads are completely in the tank for this bill and that makes a big difference.

Wigglesworth on June 11, 2013 at 3:31 PM

RINOs and Bushie establishment/corporatist types, all of them.

This thing would give Obama a huge victory and would just about finish the transformation of America he thinks. What are any Republicans who support this thinking?

Apparently, they’ve all decided that they are fine being a part of one-party Democrat rule – because that will be one result of this legislation.

If Boehner is willing to bring it to the floor and pass it with Democrat and RINO votes, what’s the use in having a Republican speaker? We might as well have Pelosi back.

TarheelBen on June 11, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Where are Rush and Mark Levin?

Have they finally seen through Rubio?

Wethal on June 11, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Obama and Rubio: Brothers from another Mother.

VorDaj on June 11, 2013 at 3:40 PM

The best way to get Congresspeople and Senators to see the Anti-Amnesty light is to subject them to competition in the upcoming election.

Every member of the House and 1/3 of the Senate is up for re-election in just 16 months (November 2014)with Primary elections being even earlier.

If any of your elected representative show support for this treasonous Amnesty Bill make sure there is a candidate who is ready to run against them in either the Primary or General election.

We need to start hearing from 2014 candidates NOW!

wren on June 11, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Let. It. Burn.

…Then for good measure, let’s salt the earth.

BigGator5 on June 11, 2013 at 3:40 PM

The GOP are so incredibly stupid and politically blind.

The goal of Obama and the Socialist Left is to fundamentally transform the US into a socialist state with an omnipotent central government. They can’t achieve that goal with current demographics thus the push for amnesty and the refusal to secure the border. This is treason IMO and the idiots in the GOP are going along with it.

The Left believes that if the voters won’t support their agenda, they should get new voters.

This bill will do more to destroy this nation than any war. It will ensure the dramatic reduction in the middle class as fewer people are able to pay the taxes required to pay for the benefits of tens of millions more government clients.

Charlemagne on June 11, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Here are the traitors that sealed the country’s fate:

Alexander (R-TN)
Ayotte (R-NH)
Blunt (R-MO)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Chiesa (R-NJ)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Fischer (R-NE)
Flake (R-AZ)
Graham (R-SC)
Hatch (R-UT)
Heller (R-NV)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Rubio (R-FL)
Thune (R-SD)
Toomey (R-PA))
Wicker (R-MS)

Wigglesworth on June 11, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Where’s the moose signal in the sky? Has she said nothing about this at all?

El_Terrible on June 11, 2013 at 3:41 PM

If there is a conservative primary challenge to a Shamnesty RINO, the RINOs will run another “conservative” in the primary, and split the conservative vote. RINO wins the primary.

Wethal on June 11, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Even if he loses and a true Conservative becomes the candidate, the RNC or one of its sub-committees will simply withhold funding for his campaign. They’ve done it before to candidates the RNC doesn’t like.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 3:41 PM

For once, I chant,

“F it up Barry, F it up (WAY UP)!”

Sekhmet on June 11, 2013 at 3:41 PM

The Republican Donor Class (a/k/a/ the RUing Party) does not care that much if it ever takes the White House. It just wants to hold onto the power it has in the GOP and Congress, and keep the corporate welfare, including cheap labor, coming.

Wethal on June 11, 2013 at 3:34 PM

That’s just it though. If amnesty passes, they won’t hold onto power in Congress. They’ll never retake the Senate. And by the end of the decade, you can kiss the House goodbye. And the White House will be a pipe dream once these tens of millions of new voters turn the remaining red state strongholds purple or blue.

Doughboy on June 11, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Truth, Snowden and the Surveillance State

Islam rises alongside our collectivist Superstate. Mosques prolierate in this country, sharia advances, the superstate flexes, freedom of speech constricts, policing becomes more thuggish, the superstate stockpiles bullets, crowd control becomes more restrictive, fear grows, privacy is extinct, the superstate imposes, requires, invades, provides, rewards, punishes, socializes medicine, targets individuals, covers up everything, ramps up the IRS for your “health,” tracks your electronic life, your phone calls, your travel, your mail.

Snowden strikes, grabs our attention about what we should have known was happening.

It was a gigantic act of courage, it has struck me so far, seemingly from idealism, seemingly to unmask the machine secretly grinding away any remaining semblance of the American republic. Then again, as others have noted, this is a young man who seems to consider himself a citizen of the world. Then again, given that he is a creature of his time, how could he not? What school system in America teaches youngsters pride in the founding of this country?

Is Snowden real? Was he duped? Is he dead? We don’t know. Is he a hero? I think so, but if it turns out he is working for China or takes refuge in Russia — both totalitarian enemies of liberty — then I will think again.

What I do know for sure is that Edward Snowden has thrown down the gauntlet.

The heroism is up to us.

VorDaj on June 11, 2013 at 3:41 PM

It’s time to form a real 3rd party and kill off what passes as the Republican Party these days. Sure, we’ll be lost in the wilderness for 10-15 years, but the downside to staying with the RINOs and other establishment Republicans is worse. If you think about it, we really don’t have two parties in this country and haven’t had for over 20 years. We have the Democrats and we have the Democrats Lite (aka Republicans). Time for real conservatives to form their own party and begin the long journey of taking back America and putter her back on track for greatness.

A year ago, I’d have called that crazy talk. But the way things are going…I don’t see any other alternative. Having a small handful of conservative Republicans just isn’t enough. The McCains, Grahams, Ryans and Boehners of the world are too powerful….and they want to play ball with the Dems….so long as they get what they want.

ScottiesRule on June 11, 2013 at 3:42 PM

National Divorce?

nobar on June 11, 2013 at 3:42 PM

That’s president eat dog to the rescue .
They have to hear from constituents .
I called my two dorks today ,Rubio and
Nelson . Tomorrow I start on the house
with boner and my rep .
Please don’t accept this travesty .

Lucano on June 11, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Wigglesworth on June 11, 2013 at 3:41 PM

A Rogues Gallery, all guaranteed funding from the RNC even if they are primaried out and run anyway as Independents.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM

We need to start hearing from 2014 candidates NOW!

wren on June 11, 2013 at 3:40 PM

It’ll be worthless by then. If they pass it, the GOP and conservatives are extinct in the country. That Obama won and Obamacare was upheld already put us in a bad position. This will be the final blow.

El_Terrible on June 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM

I have been proud to be a Republican.Since it has become the Rebooblican party I’m checking out.Had it,not one more dime or positive word for any candidate.

docflash on June 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM

National Divorce?

nobar on June 11, 2013 at 3:42 PM

That’s what I advocate. The Left goes their way and we go ours.

Charlemagne on June 11, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Boehner is on record now of saying we will have (amnesty) before the end of the year. We failed to dump these co-rulers a long time ago. We had too many voices shouting that the other side will win if we don’t vote RINO–so we ended up empowering the “me too” liberal elite called the GOP.
Sadly, there’s no place to run to. Europe is shocked at what our GOP is calling okay, and Russia is even chastising our attack on privacy.

Don L on June 11, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Rubio’s still mostly liked and respected by conservatives.

Nope, not at all.
He is a traitor plain and simple

burrata on June 11, 2013 at 3:45 PM

It’s time to form a real 3rd party and kill off what passes as the Republican Party these days. Sure, we’ll be lost in the wilderness for 10-15 years, permanently

ScottiesRule on June 11, 2013 at 3:42 PM

fify

El_Terrible on June 11, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Just called Cornyn’s office, asking what the actual Hell was wrong with him. The guy who answered the phone said it was due to some parliamentary procedure that would let Cornyn add some amendment to the bill. I told him, “Screw amendments, kill the bill!”

Sekhmet on June 11, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Where are Rush and Mark Levin?

Have they finally seen through Rubio?

Wethal on June 11, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Rush made a brief comment today about being disappointed in Rubio’s Univision interview.

Mark Levin’s show airs in 2 hours and he took Monday off to attend a funeral. I will be anxious to hear Mark Levin’s comments today about Rubio’s Univision interview.

wren on June 11, 2013 at 3:46 PM

The Washington, DC professional class wants this bill badly. They are doing it for their nannies and gardners and painters and bricklayers.

The GOP ruling class wants it for the cheap labor that big business is telling them they need.

The Democrat ruling class wants more people employed legally who can join the SEIU and eventually cote Democrat.

They do not care what us regular folks in flyover country want, they do not care how much these people have trashed our communities, ruined our schools, depressed our wages, and blown our state budgets.

rockmom on June 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Rep. Goodlatte (R-VA) has jurisdiction in the House and he has sad he will pursue a piecemeal approach to reform.

Call him to offer support and then call your Rep to demand they support him too.

Charlemagne on June 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM

If not, this country as we have known it will cease to exist.
Charlemagne on June 11, 2013 at 3:22 PM

This country as I knew it growing up has ceased to exist.

Dr. Frank Enstine on June 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM

As a previous poster state: “the fix is in”. This legislation will pass because Congress doesn’t give a krap about the citizens of this country. Corporate interests control virtually every one of them. This country, democracy, and liberty are toast. It’s over…someone turn off the lights. This is what happens when government gets too big and its citizens become too dependent.

trs on June 11, 2013 at 3:49 PM

National Divorce?

nobar on June 11, 2013 at 3:42 PM

There’s nothing else left to do. The left and the Vichy Right slugs can stay in the American Socialist Superstate and have the hell that they are so fond of creating. And if any of those slugs tries to breach the borders of the Constitutional Union of American States they’ll quickly find out how invaders are supposed to be treated at a national border – swiftly and with absolute finality. They are the scum of the Earth – the left and the Vichy Republican useless idiots who are allied with them.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Paul is dead to me. AS are the others who voted for this.

Mr. Arrogant on June 11, 2013 at 3:50 PM

I’d rather see this country burn to the ground than Democrats in charge past 2016. Same result in my opinion. If Rubio or Christie are the nominee, I am staying home on Election Day.

Sekhmet on June 11, 2013 at 3:50 PM

At this point, there are too many RINOs in office for me to ever again vote Republican. I’ll never vote Dem, either. Some might say my vote is wasted to cast it for another party candidate, but it’s better than sitting home on Election Day or simply holding my nose and pulling the lever for someone I can’t stand.

Maybe now is a good time to play Elton John’s Love Lies Bleeding/Funeral For A Friend for the Republican Party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p_xAToFzck

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Rep. Goodlatte (R-VA) has jurisdiction in the House and he has sad he will pursue a piecemeal approach to reform.

He’s an idiot, too. There’s nothing “piecemeal” to be done. interior enforcement – as is the law. Period. End of story.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Oh, and I forgot to add that both Democrats and Republicans want all these illegals made legal so they start paying into Social Security and Medicare immediately. That is how they plan to make both programs solvent without massive benefit cuts. In fact, this is more important for Democrats than almost anything, even making them voters eventually. Pelosi and her pals are desperate to avoid any sort of entitlement reform. By the time all these new payers retire and some other generation has to pay for them, Pelosi will be dead and gone.

rockmom on June 11, 2013 at 3:51 PM

It’s time to form a real 3rd party and kill off what passes as the Republican Party these days. Sure, we’ll be lost in the wilderness for 10-15 years, but the downside to staying with the RINOs and other establishment Republicans is worse. If you think about it, we really don’t have two parties in this country and haven’t had for over 20 years. We have the Democrats and we have the Democrats Lite (aka Republicans). Time for real conservatives to form their own party and begin the long journey of taking back America and putter her back on track for greatness.

A year ago, I’d have called that crazy talk. But the way things are going…I don’t see any other alternative. Having a small handful of conservative Republicans just isn’t enough. The McCains, Grahams, Ryans and Boehners of the world are too powerful….and they want to play ball with the Dems….so long as they get what they want.

ScottiesRule on June 11, 2013 at 3:42 PM

I’m almost at that point myself. I understand the short-term ramifications(total Democrat control in Washington), but since we kind of already have that anyway, what have we got to lose? I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating and I will tell the RNC this when I call them and demand they stop mailing and calling me for donations. I will never vote for another Republican again at any level of government if amnesty passes. Maybe I represent a small fraction of their base, but for a party that’s lost 2 straight Presidential elections and blew a golden opportunity to retake the Senate in 2012, they’re in no position to be alienating any of their voters.

Doughboy on June 11, 2013 at 3:52 PM

God damn all who’re for amnesty, starting with Rubio, Obama and Boehner.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 3:54 PM

It’ll be worthless by then. If they pass it, the GOP and conservatives are extinct in the country. That Obama won and Obamacare was upheld already put us in a bad position. This will be the final blow.

El_Terrible on June 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Which is why we need to start hearing from and supporting 2014 Candidates for the House and the Senate NOW.

Candidates who oppose Amnesty need to start showing the current Congresscritters that the current crop will lose their seats if they even think of supporting this treasonous bill.

Make ILLEGAL immigration the top issue of the 2014 election season.

Ask every candidate specific questions about ILLEGAL immigration at every single public meeting.

And in the meantime, MELT THE PHONE LNES to the House and the Senate.

wren on June 11, 2013 at 3:54 PM

If this turkey passes then conservatives will have nothing to lose by forming a 3rd party as no Republican will be elected ever again. This will turn Texas navy blue. If and when this amnesty goes into effect then that will be our time to break away from the RINO party. At this point it is so bad that even if it takes us 20 years to get someone elected that is better than never again.

Amnesty=the end of the Republican party and the beginning of the conservative party.

McCain, Romney, Christie, Rubio, Graham, McConnell et al won’t have the votes to be elected dog catcher if this goes through. I’ve got to wonder whether some of these scandals are related. Obama must have some seriously bad stuff on these RINOs to be able to get them to agree to something which will en effect kill their party.

And still no one is in jail

neyney on June 11, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Here are the traitors that sealed the country’s fate:

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Chiesa Christie (R-NJ)
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Wigglesworth on June 11, 2013 at 3:41 PM

steebo77 on June 11, 2013 at 3:57 PM

If this passes, I predict a mass exodus of RINOs into the Democrat party, where they can prepare for one-party rule. Good-bye, America. We had a nice run as the land of liberty – but it appears to be fading so fast now that most low-info types are not even aware it’s happening. Or perhaps they just don’t care.

TarheelBen on June 11, 2013 at 4:00 PM

I called the RNC and bizitched. Not like it will do any good.

Sekhmet on June 11, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Why do our guys always rush to do the wrong thing? Why is there a rush on this anyway?
Rubio just flushed away his chances at the presidency and gave up his mantel of conservative.

Iblis on June 11, 2013 at 4:01 PM

You know, almost as infuriating as the immigration push and the lies with which Rubio et al are pushing it, are the “wake up, dumbf*cks” crap coming from Kaus et al.

Hey Mickey – WE’RE F*CKING AWAKE, AND WE’VE BEEN SHOUTING OUR F*CKING HEADS OFF ABOUT OUR ANGER AT THIS IMMIGRATION BULLSHIT LONGER THAN YOU HAVE, A##HAT. WHERE THE F*CK HAVE *YOU* BEEN, PAL?

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 4:01 PM

I’m already checked out beyond the state level, the GOP dug its own grave and now they can lie in it. Screw them all.

Bishop on June 11, 2013 at 4:02 PM

If there is a conservative primary challenge to a Shamnesty RINO, the RINOs will run another “conservative” in the primary, and split the conservative vote. RINO wins the primary.

Wethal on June 11, 2013 at 3:37 PM

I’m sure Grahamnesty already has several “TEA Party” ringers standing by for the primary so the conservative votes gets split 3 ways and name recognition pulls him through.

We need a TEA Party candidate to run in the general election as a 3rd party against RINOs like Grahamnesty and Ayotte if they clear the primary. Who cares if a Democrat wins because of a vote split. It will be a lesson to the RINOs that if they play dirty and lie in primaries to get elected then they will pay the price the next election.

Wigglesworth on June 11, 2013 at 4:02 PM

AMNESTY……The DEATH OF AMERICA bill

Goodbye Texas

Hello 20 million more illegals.

Hello Aztlan.

Goodbye American Southwest.

Hello, North American Union.

Goodbye Social Security.

And on and on….

PappyD61 on June 11, 2013 at 4:02 PM

God damn all who’re for amnesty, starting with Rubio, Obama and Boehner.

Schadenfreude on June 11, 2013 at 3:54 PM

He may damn them; that’s his call.

Well before then, however, I want them to be painfully punished.

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 4:03 PM

If this passes, I predict a mass exodus of RINOs into the Democrat party, where they can prepare for one-party rule.
TarheelBen on June 11, 2013 at 4:00 PM

I agree. There will be more if it seems a few holdouts will lose in primaries, becoming Democrat and hoping to win on name recognition. I’m sure they’ll strike enough deals to get the original Dem hopeful to step aside to accommodate.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 4:01 PM

It’s the media like Fox News that has ignored the contents and ramifications of the bill because the executives want it to pass. Stirewalt has told all the empty suits like O’Reilly, Hannity and The Five to avoid talking about it to increase the chance of passage. Conservative talk radio bears responsibility too! If Limbaugh and Hannity came out swinging once they realized what was in the Gang of Eight bill they could have killed it early on.

Wigglesworth on June 11, 2013 at 4:06 PM

There’s no point in my calling, both my senators are loser Democrats (and really obnoxious stupid ones at that–Cantwell and Murray). If I call their offices to voice my opinion I’ll probably wind up being audited at some future date. Or worse.

My better bet is to wait for the House, as I’ve one R rep I could tap. Not a lot of hope with him as he’s somewhat RINO in nature, but at least I might help make him feel uncomfortable about voting yes.

theotherone on June 11, 2013 at 4:07 PM

I think I’ll start signing up for everything too, and I mean everything; might as well get what I can before the place collapses.

Bishop on June 11, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Republicans are considering adding millions of Dem voters to the roles…now that is smart.

d1carter on June 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM

The burning, it’s coming. No doubt about it.

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Conservative talk radio bears responsibility too! If Limbaugh and Hannity came out swinging once they realized what was in the Gang of Eight bill they could have killed it early on.

Wigglesworth on June 11, 2013 at 4:06 PM

They didn’t even have to know anything about what was in it. Just the gang, itself, and the Orwellian “Immigration Reform” BS was enough to know that treason was afoot. Besides, Rubio made his treasonous, little wormy ideas well known before the whole gang bang started, anyway.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Time for a third party… which technically would be a second party.

mjbrooks3 on June 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Wigglesworth on June 11, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Laura Ingraham is one of the few who has really spent time talking about the contents of the bill – and she has opposed it daily.

Levin strongly opposes it, but he for some reason continues to kiss Rubio’s butt.

TarheelBen on June 11, 2013 at 4:10 PM

The solution to the RINOs in DC, the RNC, national GOP et al is federalism. It won’t help on this issue but we have to wrest power away from DC and reestablish 10th Amendment powers.

Charlemagne on June 11, 2013 at 4:10 PM

I started to sign an online petition against this bill yesterday; when the time came to click the submit button that would submit my full name, address, phone number, email address, etc… I didn’t do it. I knew it would simply put my name in a file somewhere that would flag me at the IRS and elsewhere.

They’ve won.

I can’t tell you what that makes me want to do to them.

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Levin strongly opposes it, but he for some reason continues to kiss Rubio’s butt.

TarheelBen on June 11, 2013 at 4:10 PM

I think he’s trying to pull Rubio back from the dark side. But the problem is he was never seduced by the dark side. He was already there.

I’m really disappointed with Rush on this though. He’s been way too quiet about this. It better not be because his show is running those Rubio/Ryan ads pushing this debacle.

Doughboy on June 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Conservative talk radio bears responsibility too! If Limbaugh and Hannity came out swinging once they realized what was in the Gang of Eight bill they could have killed it early on.

Wigglesworth on June 11, 2013 at 4:06 PM

I disagree. The LSM, and as many Pubs as Dems, have lambasted Limbaugh since he got famous. It’s doublespeak among them — Rush has no influence, but he’s such a threat that he needs to be silenced. And, really, I would think most Conservatives oppose this looming disaster without needing to listen to either Rush or Hannity.

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Where’s the moose signal in the sky? Has she said nothing about this at all?

El_Terrible on June 11, 2013 at 3:41 PM

She almost never comments on immigration. It’s a glaring hole.

alwaysfiredup on June 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Dear Leader has called into the White House his fav State Run Media members…Do they have room in White House for them?

d1carter on June 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM

83-15…wow. I was thing 75. Rs in total collapse mode. Heave $$$$$ are flowing in on this effort, Corpations, Soros.

our guys are totally bought and paid for…another barry victory dance.

it is down hill from here. Senate will pass bill handily. Maybe the schumer goal of 70 (i.e. there are 15 of his Rs in the senate…good job chuck)

pass to house, Boehner will pass with Ds plus just the needed number of Rs.

lots of people to thank for this.

r keller on June 11, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Dear Leader has called into the White House his fav State Run Media members…Do they have room in White House for them?

d1carter on June 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Yes, but only one can fit under the desk at a time to lick the Royal Toothpick.

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 4:17 PM

lots of people to thank SWalker for this.

r keller on June 11, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

The situation’s critical, my friends.

Indeed it is. And has been for a great many years. Our unworkable, unenforceable, unjust and unproductive immigration laws have been a drag on our economy and society for far, far too long.

It is long past time for us to regularize the status of people who, like it or not, are here and are not going away. This bill is far from perfect. It is far from just. However, it is an immeasurable improvement over the status quo.

The GOP, if it is to survive, must abandon the stances that have made it the party of stupid. Supporting immigration reform in a manner that recognizes the irreversible facts on the ground would be a good first step.

MJBrutus on June 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

You have to pass background checks, you have to pay taxes and a penalty and then you have to go to the back of the line behind everybody who has done things the right way…

I already understand what Tea Party groups are required to do in Obama’s America, but what will the illegal immigrants have to do?

forest on June 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

I already called my congressman…Fred Upton and ordered him to vote NO on any immigration reform.

The staff who took the call sounded like he was in a hurry because he said they been getting alot of calls on this.

MELT THE LINES!

202-224-3121 ask for your congressman.

b1jetmech on June 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM

We are all Democrats now.

John the Libertarian on June 11, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Fixed it fer ya…..we all are (or will be) Latinos.

TheAdmiral on June 11, 2013 at 4:23 PM

forest on June 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

nada

ChunkyLover on June 11, 2013 at 4:23 PM

lots of people to thank SWalker for this.

r keller on June 11, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

oh my

r keller on June 11, 2013 at 4:23 PM

but what will the illegal immigrants have to do?

forest on June 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

To make them do anything, or to deny them everything, would be racist. /

Liam on June 11, 2013 at 4:27 PM

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