Last, best chance to stop the Gang of Eight bill: Obama’s starting to get involved in immigration reform again

posted at 3:21 pm on June 11, 2013 by Allahpundit

The situation’s critical, my friends. Senate Republicans are beginning to cave. Rubio’s screwing around with sideshow amendments designed to pander to conservatives without fixing the real problem in the bill. Boehner’s talking about having something on Obama’s desk by the end of the year.

Mickey Kaus sounds the alarm: It’s panic time.

It’s time to wake up! Conservatives–while you are (rightly) excited about NSA snooping and partisan IRS corruption, the Congress is about to change America in a more profound, permanent way right under your noses. In the process it will hand President Obama the major second term achievement that will help him overcome the very scandals that are distracting you–or, rather, make his survival or re-ascendance unimportant. He will have won. Democrats will have shaped the future electorate to their own liking. They’ll have transformed what America is.

Please forget about Benghazi and Cincinnati and Edward Snowden’s girlfriend for a minute and pay attention to the main event.

You have one weapon in your arsenal that can trump the big money behind the Gang of 8 bill (S.744). That weapon is fear. It’s not as if the Republican elite has suddenly been persuaded that an amnesty-first immigration bill is a good idea, after all. They’ve always preferred amnesty. They were just too scared to pursue it. What stopped them was the prospect of swift retribution from the electorate, not limited to the Republican primary electorate…

Ignore the f—ing scandals for a few days and save the country from Chuck Schumer.

He’s asking a lot in asking people to forget about Snowden’s girlfriend. What we need is a rallying point. Even now, despite getting rolled every which way by Schumer, Rubio’s still mostly liked and respected by conservatives. You’re not going to build a critical mass against the Gang of Eight bill by trying to turn him into King RINO. McCain and Graham are better targets for that, but they’re also old news. We’ve known Maverick and his sidekick are amnesty shills for years. If you’re not angry about that already, you’ll never be angry.

No, what we need is a real lightning rod, someone so distrusted by righties that his intrusion into the debate might singlehandedly catalyze the opposition that border hawks like Ted Cruz and Jeff Sessions have been waiting for. There’s only one man who can fit that bill. And … here he comes. Deus ex machina!

Republicans who favor reform are eyeing the president’s last-minute immigration push warily, worried that his presence in the process could threaten the delicate compromises Republicans and Democrats have made over the past several months.

“Mr. Obama adds nothing to the immigration debate at this point — not from a ideological perspective or tactical log-rolling perspective — and his entry at this point can only upset the tenuous balance negotiators are trying to create,” said Jonathan Collegio, spokesperson for American Crossroads. The Karl Rove-founded campaign spending group is running ads in support of the Gang of Eight immigration bill currently working its way through the Senate…

“Without President Obama engaged, immigration reform is now on track in the Senate and is moving forward in the House,” said Emily Benavides, a spokesperson for the American Action Network, another Republican spending group pushing for an immigration bill. “Reform would stand a much better chance if he devoted his time not to campaign-like posturing but to convincing his old colleagues in the Senate to support some very common sense amendments to strengthen the legislation currently being considered.”

He’s off to a fine start in exploding immigration negotiations with his East Room speech today, but we need much, much more Republican-bashing from him going forward. My recommendations: Accuse amnesty opponents of being bigots, suggest that he’ll speed up the law’s citizenship process by executive order, and maybe call Rubio a “punk” for good measure. I know he has it in him; dumping on the GOP is his favorite thing in the world to do. All we need is a few minutes of demagoguery at his next Q&A with the media and that ought to finish things off in the House. C’mon, champ. This is what you do best.

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“The scandals are distracting from the immigration battle” meme is not true. Don’t fall for that BS. The media is purposely laying low because they know if Americans understood what this bill will do there would be hell to pay.

This morning I turn on Fox & Friends while eating my breakfast. Here are the 1st 4 stories:
1. Jay Leno’s funny joke about Obama
2. A video of a kid dressing up like a terrorist with a fake RPG
3. Chad Ochocinco in court
4. Some TMZ story about a judge’s punishment

But there is no time to have a guest on to talk about what is in the immigration bill?

I’ve already called Fox News headquarters and emailed their talking heads about how disgusted I am with their lack of coverage and that they may lose me as a viewer. I would encourage everyone to do the same. They should at least have ‘fair and balanced’ debates where an opponent and proponent are allowed to give their opinion.

Wigglesworth on June 12, 2013 at 8:16 AM

The Commission found also that about six in 10 adult black males have a high school diploma or less, and are disproportionately employed in the low-skilled labor market in likely competition with immigrants.
 
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/IllegImmig_10-14-10_430pm.pdf
 
rogerb on June 11, 2013 at 6:54 PM

 
I believe you call this race hustling.
 
libfreeordie on June 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM

 
Do you believe the 60% of black men with a high school diploma or less are competing against IT professionals and interior designers for their jobs?
 
Or are they competing against other low-skill, low-tech workers like illegals?
 
Which is it?
 
rogerb on June 11, 2013 at 7:29 PM

 
C’mon, professor. Don’t you want to explain how black laborers compete with speech therapists and not other laborers?

rogerb on June 11, 2013 at 8:06 PM

 
So nothing, eh LFOD?

 
I’m betting it’s like your supportive position on Obama’s exponential increases in domestic spying:
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/05/report-nsa-collecting-daily-phone-logs-of-millions-of-american-verizon-customers/comment-page-3/#comment-7062201
 
You didn’t know this was how it would impact black employment, did you? It was just something something minorities something something hegemony something something racism.
 
Is that about right?
 
At least no one can accuse you of a being a single-issue voter, though, since you openly supported both increased warrantless surveillance of private citizens AND the active destruction of black wealth.
 
Congratulations.

rogerb on June 12, 2013 at 8:19 AM

Why, in God’s name, is Rubio selling us out?

30 million new democrat voters, the only damned reason Schumer’s so hot to get this passed.

They’ll have they one party state, even if they have top import a whole new set of voters.

mark81150 on June 12, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Why, in God’s name, is Rubio selling us out?

mark81150 on June 12, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Because he is mentally sick? I don’t mean that as a joke, either…

Anti-Control on June 12, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Somebody s spending a boat load of dough making and airing a lot pro immigration ads. If they’re playing in my little neck of the woods, I’m sure they’re in big markets, too. The selling of we need to fix a broken immigration system to the peeps is just as organized and well funded as the stim, tarp, buying of car companies, Arab spring, etc ad nauseum. PT Barnum on roids.

Kissmygrits on June 12, 2013 at 8:44 AM

1. Two Party Evil Money Cult in Washington D.C..

2. Lazy U.S. aka “We The People”.

3. Gold and Greed.

4. You are the New Apache now, they come for your land, your gold, your liberty, and they prepare a one size fits all reservation.

5. Rubio is just a scout for them for his share of the gold, he shows them the path to your camps while your men are in Iraq and Afganastian, S. Korea, Germany,etal. There they will find your women just awake and feeding your children. They will attack them and your in time.

6. You will find too that in the end being the New Apache will be just like being the former Apache.

No land of your own.
No gold of your own.
No liberty of your own.
No rule of law or justice.

They will sell your whiskey, mescal, and allow the Mexican drug cartels ply their trade, the borders will remain wide open and more and more wire taps of your phones and even listening devises built into your huts. They will tell you “It is your best intrest that you live on a “reservation” and eat their grule and live without any pride or honor.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 8:44 AM

For the past several years now the Democrats have been telling us how the Republican party is about to go the way of the dinosaur. Of course, they were thinking the end would come because the party was too conservative. It’s kind of ironic that the actual end of the Republicans will be because they weren’t conservative enough and essentially became an offshoot of the Democrats.

ScottiesRule on June 12, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Is saying that she isn’t showing leadership on this issue a “personal attack” against her in your book?

Anti-Control on June 11, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Sorry I didn’t get back to you yesterday on this but I’ve been sick with a bad cold and was posting comments during my lucid moments. I think my fever broke last night and I’m feeling a bit better today.

Short answer to your question: no, I don’t think having that opinion is a “personal attack.” To be honest with you, it’s an area that she doesn’t appear to have a strong policy on, which has always puzzled me. My only thought, if you have to press me, is it’s because it’s something Alaska has never had to deal with on a large scale, such as Texas, California and the other southern border states do. But then there was her support for Jan Brewer and Arizona’s law that Obama was going after.

I’m not such a blind follower that I don’t have my areas of ?? with the Gov. This is one of them.

theotherone on June 12, 2013 at 8:58 AM

You want to know why Republicans will continue to be perennial election losers and the minority party? Look no further than this issue.

There are no longer any real differentiations between Republicans and Democrats. Republicans have become Democrat-Lite and have no real principles they can articulate which clearly distinguish them from Democrats.

People have decided- why not just have the extra calories that come with Democrats- The Real Thing.

You have to laugh when people like McConnell, Boehner, Rove and Priebus lecture us on electoral tactics and speak in an unprincipled and confounding ways to voters. They attempt to win elections by making superficial appeals to minority groups. Can anything be more disingenuous or contra-intellectual?

Gone are the days of making intelligent arguments based on simple, logical and distinctive principals. The GOP no makes appeals based on a soundbite, commercial, ethnicity or a persons sexual preference to win their vote. What a completely appalling manner of operating that is.

Perhaps Republicans need to lose and lose big. Because with this strategy that day is surely coming. In fact, I predict Republicans will not only be unable to prevail in the Senate, but will lose the House and our next presidential election.

Then maybe we can clean house from top to bottom and rebuild our party with intelligent, principled leadership.

Marcus Traianus on June 12, 2013 at 9:06 AM

But there is no time to have a guest on to talk about what is in the immigration bill?

Wigglesworth

That’s probably a good thing, because any guest they have on will simply repeat the usual dishonest amnesty shill talking points.

xblade on June 12, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Sickened and horrified by all this. As Mark Levin so rightly points out, Republicans can have their imprimatur all over this immigration bill and will still lose the Latino vote to the Democrats. Republicans will sacrifice their ethics, the rule of law, and the future well-being of their country for a chimera.

CaptFlood on June 12, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Then maybe we can clean house from top to bottom and rebuild our party with intelligent, principled leadership.

Marcus Traianus

If this “transform America into Mexico” amnesty bill passes, it won’t really matter. There ain’t no unringing that bell.

xblade on June 12, 2013 at 9:33 AM

And yet despite McCain’s craven, “There aren’t enough busses to send everyone back to where they came,” line, this illegal immigration issue even now could be resolved in a sane and humane manner. Call it the Five Year Plan. Give the illegals twenty-four months to register at various tent cities and federal offices throughout the country. Those who register first get to stay the longest, will receive short-term visas allowing them to remain for the whole five years, and at the end of their stay will receive transportation assistance. Put business on notice that at that five year mark, all such visas are null and void and that any continued employment of illegal aliens will result in severe civil and criminal penalties. Illegals who do not register by month twenty-four will be deported on the spot.

And while all this is going on, build the damn wall, and reorient our immigration policy to favor high skill workers with the caveat that state and federal assistance is not an option until full citizenship is earned.

Now THAT’s a Dream Act.

CaptFlood on June 12, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Republicans will sacrifice their ethics, the rule of law, and the future well-being of their country for a chimera.

CaptFlood on June 12, 2013 at 9:32 AM

I think this has been their fate all along. If it hadn’t been this bill, this issue, it would have been another. We’re at the end game.

rrpjr on June 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM

If this “transform America into Mexico” amnesty bill passes, it won’t really matter. There ain’t no unringing that bell.

xblade on June 12, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Sure there is. It’s called armed revolution. Oops, I meant to say armedillos re-evolving *NSA approved*.

Nutstuyu on June 12, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Then maybe we can clean house from top to bottom and rebuild our party with intelligent, principled leadership.

Marcus Traianus

If this “transform America into Mexico” amnesty bill passes, it won’t really matter. There ain’t no unringing that bell.

xblade on June 12, 2013 at 9:33 AM

We’ll have decades to clean house and rebuild. I may die of old age before that happens.

freedomfirst on June 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM

I notice that the “O” keeps talking about fixing our broken “system”. I don’t give a crap about the system. It’s the results I care about… the wholesale erosion of our national sovereignty is the current result. SECURE the borders and ENFORCE existing laws!

freedomfirst on June 12, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Wow, is “Mr. Producer” allowed to post on HA?

Nutstuyu on June 12, 2013 at 10:33 AM

82-15

McConnell and Sens. John Cornyn (Texas), Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Deb Fischer (Neb.), Rob Portman (Ohio), John Thune (S.D.), Orrin Hatch (Utah), Jeff Chiesa (N.J.), Roger Wicker (Miss.), Thad Cochran (Miss.), Pat Toomey (Pa.), Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), John Hoeven (N.D.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Rand Paul (Ky.), Susan Collins (Maine), Jerry Moran (Kan.), Roy Blunt (Mo.), Dan Coats (Ind.), Dean Heller (Nev.), Ron Johnson (Wis.), Bob Corker (Tenn.), Mike Johanns (Neb.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.) and Saxby Chambliss (Ga.) were the Republicans who voted to advance the bill.

Panther on June 11, 2013 at 10:05 PM

No Mark Kirk!?!?!?!!?!? What has gotten into him lately???

Nutstuyu on June 12, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Mr. Rubio, I’ve been a fan since your days in the Florida senate. If this bill goes through however, I will NOT support you for President. Ever.

You were different. But you are morphing into a Schumer lap dog before our eyes. Just one of the ‘gang’. And conservatives, once again, are accepting that one of our favorite sons is showing that he can’t be trusted.

It’s not too late. I beg of you to stop this now.

Wipe this away, walk away from the gang, and all will be forgiven. Remind us conservatives why we fell in love with you in the first place. Hero, or just one of the pack? To me, it’s ‘common sense’ – a trait I thought we shared.

Don’t let us down.

rhinoishere on June 12, 2013 at 10:55 AM

I notice that the “O” keeps talking about fixing our broken “system”.

freedomfirst on June 12, 2013 at 10:26 AM

They system is only “broken” in the sense that nobody in gov’t – from either party – enforces the system we currently have. Had they been enforcing the system all along, it wouldn’t be “broken”. So sure, if you ignore the laws in place then the system is going to be “broken”. But, you are then arguing to fix what you purposely broke.

Monkeytoe on June 12, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Q: “Why is Rubio doing this to us?”

A: Because he really believes in this stuff, more than he believes in conservatism. I’m not saying he doesn’t believe in slowing the growth of the federal gov’t blah blah blah, but he definitely really believes in legalizing immigrants en masse.

alwaysfiredup on June 12, 2013 at 11:53 AM

No Mark Kirk!?!?!?!!?!? What has gotten into him lately???

Nutstuyu on June 12, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Er… he had a stroke? He’s not always there; 3 senators didn’t vote.

alwaysfiredup on June 12, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Why, in God’s name, is Rubio selling us out?

mark81150 on June 12, 2013 at 8:27 AM

In 5-10 years Rubio will switch parties and seek the Democratic Presidential nomination.

bw222 on June 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Also facts could be of use.

Most if not all of the illegals of South America, largest numbers from Mexico, go home three to four times a year in the current El Lobo Bus Lines in operation and or to haul a used car, truck, tractor, ditching machine etal to the family in Mexico etal. Too to weddings, family reunions ect.

Not one thing the likes of Schummer, Reid, Pelosi, Obama, Rubio, McCain, Durbin, Liesendey Graham Cracker say on this amnesty is true or based on real facts.

The Rule Of The George Orwells Prediction Has Come To U.S. All.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Fact Number One.

The Two Party Evil Money Cult wants more Tax/Wage slaves.

We current ones are not enough nor as easy to use.

It is a con, we are the marks.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Fact Number Two.

They are the ones who did the crime, they should pay for these crimes but they are evil and refuse to obey the laws under the Constitution nor do they have the honor to do the right thing.

50 years of wide open borders for greed, re-election money and power. A long and ongoing crime aginst U.S. all.

Guilty beyond any reasonable doubt.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Fact Number Three.

Live by the lie, die by the lie.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Fact Number Four.

They via their greed, arvice, mismanagement, and bad faith have spent the U.S. into operational bankruptcy. Now they compound the crime via this amnesty lust and sell out of their oaths.

So, they do as any thief they try to lie out of the hands of justice.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Fact Number Five.

Notwithstanding they may get some or all of this crime aginst U.S. voted into law and signed by the lead criminal Obama, yet even this low evil will not save them nor U.S. as the new wage/vote slaves they lust for can not nor will not be able to cover the bills they owe.

After all it is clear they are trading down, current we the people have ambition, pride in our lives, the will to over come problems, the smarts and work ethic to earn profits which makes it possible for this money cult to have the tax money to over spend with.

These new wage/vote slaves will only earn less, be less likely to earn profits large enough for growth and fact is these new ones have learned much of how to operate outside the rule of law and that abilty will do the money cult little good.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Yet we all continue to feed the Beast with our taxes.
The Founders would weep.

justltl on June 12, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Fact Number Six.

The have fear in their eyes now, panic in their voices, and they now are like lemmings running for the cliff in wild eyed fear of We The Peoples wrath. Nothing but rocks below.

Not a wise choice but they have made the choice and now they run from U.S..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Fact Number Seven.

They know they lie and they do not even care that We The People know they lie. They have handed their lives, honor, souls over to great evil just for the passing fantasy that gold and power are the reasons humans exist in the universe.

A grave error for them and even a greater error for all of U.S..

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Fact Number Eight.

If they win this evil game of chance with a amnesty and still wide open borders, they still will not be in the final play offs later as it is only a poor evil played stall game.

The True History Knows they lie and cheat.

The True History Who Knows lies in wait for them and U.S. as colletral damage. Huge angery red eyes of the true judgment is very near to them.

Not only We The People know, the other powers of the planet are not blind to these facts and many of them who have it in for U.S. lie in wait to ambush U.S. after this folly does its acts of weakening.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM

These Mexicans have been pretty gutsy to pack up and leave their country of origin and enter here illegally. Who knows, maybe they will value freedom and have the cajones to defend it.
I doubt it though.
The Dems will ruin any free spirit, addict them to the government teat and keep them on their voter farm.

justltl on June 12, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Fact Number Nine.

Many of U.S. too are weak and many of U.S. are not willing to stand and fight, so many of U.S. compound the evil cults lies by lying to ourselves.

Weak begets weakness.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Fact Number Ten.

What goes around comes around.

What they hand out so easy now to U.S. will come to them and their heirs and assigns soon enough.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Reservation life sucks, be it a small reservation or a reservation spanning from sea to shining sea.

It is a reservation they seek for U.S., only question that remains will we just line up for a new trail of tears and cry our way into this ugly life away from freedom, justice, liberty and our Constitution.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 1:17 PM

You’re doing good, chief.
I’m just posting periodically so that you can keep up the good work.
i think that you can’t make more than three posts in a row before you get blocked.

Carry on.
justy

justltl on June 12, 2013 at 1:25 PM

That’s probably a good thing, because any guest they have on will simply repeat the usual dishonest amnesty shill talking points.

xblade on June 12, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Everyone should read this horror for themselves:

Here is the PDF with several revisions. You need to download it to make it searchable.

http://cis.org/Border-Security-Economic-Opportunity-Immigration-Modernization-Act

It’s worth the read. They are more than doubling the number of H1-B Visas.

There’s no guaranteed border security, moreover the bill takes that authority from congress and assigns it to the DHS secretary. Incompentano must come up with a plan in six months, but there are no constraints on what that plan MUST (SHALL) contain.

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/

Is a good site too.

By the way, proponents always use the “We can’t send them all home!” bullshit excuse for this amnesty.

What puts the lie to that statement is this:

They’re here.

Did they just magically show up? No. No one said anything about sending all the illegals home at the same time. But they must go back and getting them out a few at time is a good approach as long as they cannot get back in.

SECURE THE BORDER.

dogsoldier on June 12, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Why, in God’s name, is Rubio selling us out?

mark81150 on June 12, 2013 at 8:27 AM

Simple. His true colors finally showed. He is the Trojan Horse.

Myron Falwell on June 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I’ve already called Fox News headquarters and emailed their talking heads about how disgusted I am with their lack of coverage and that they may lose me as a viewer. I would encourage everyone to do the same. They should at least have ‘fair and balanced’ debates where an opponent and proponent are allowed to give their opinion.

Wigglesworth on June 12, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Well, to quote the aforementioned Daily Caller editorial, it’s a waste of time complaining to Fox.

In fact, despite all the talk of polarization and Citizens United, the big money in the immigration fight almost unanimously favors a bipartisan, legalization-first bill. Kochs included. The GOP donor class is asserting itself, Ross Douthat has noted. It’s spotted what it thinks is an intersection of crude self-interest, high-minded tolerance, partisan strategy and libertarian philosophy.

One of the more influential members of this “donorist” class is Rupert Murdoch, which means that FOX News has for all intents and purposes switched sides, giving immigration “comprehensivists” a monopoly in the MSM–five networks to none. As goes Murdoch, so goes Hannity.

It’s probably a bit more complex than what Mickey is getting at (Roger Ailes, who holds actual clout over FNC/FBN, is likely holding similar beliefs – of his own volition – with or without having made any donations) but the overall point is the same.

Fox is ignoring it because it goes against the personal agendas of their higher-ups. They are no better than MSNBC, quite frankly.

Myron Falwell on June 12, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Fox News is much like a State Farm Ins. agent in any town or city.

They do not want to say or do anything that pisses off 30% to 40% of possible buyers (viewers) and or the people who buy adds.

So they ride the middle as much as possible to keep the net income as high as possible.

After all it is our freeom, our liberty, our responsibilty also, they do what they can do, but bottom line it is our job, We The People of protect ourselfs and our consitution.

Bill O’Riley shows it best, he has never called out Obama clear, he lust for the gold that his large viewership brings.

Ride the middle.

We on the other hand do not have that problem.

We know the truth and we must act.

Fight or roll over and be slaves.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 12, 2013 at 2:03 PM

In fact, despite all the talk of polarization and Citizens United, the big money in the immigration fight almost unanimously favors a bipartisan, legalization-first bill. Kochs included. The GOP donor class is asserting itself, Ross Douthat has noted. It’s spotted what it thinks is an intersection of crude self-interest, high-minded tolerance, partisan strategy and libertarian philosophy.

I can understand the crude-self interest (cheap labor – although it is actually wrong in this regard, once legalized, the current cheap labor will become more expensive) and the belief that it is “high minded tolerance” (i.e., somehow it’s “racist” to oppose amnesty, therefore being for amnesty must make one “tolerant” [tolerant of what? sneaking into countries illegally?]).

But I can’t understand how anyone thinks this is good partisan strategy. It isn’t what should be driving the train on this issue, but amnesty will not help the GOP at all and will hurt the GOP. Every poll, every look at historical evidence, every look at Central and South American gov’ts demonstrates this and there is no evidence to support this being a good deal for the GOP. Claims to the contrary are completely illusory.

I also don’t understand how this fits libertarian philosophy. If libertarians believe that we should not control our border or have immigration laws, do they believe we should have a nation at all? In all honesty, I would think that the one area everyone could agree on being a proper gov’t responsibility, borders and immigration policy would be it.

Now, we can argue over what the immigration policy should be (i.e., how many people do we let it, from where, what kind of background should they have, what status do we give them, etc.), but that is far different than saying the libertarian philosophy is that anyone who manages to get in to America deserves citizenship.

I honestly don’t understand what these people think amnesty will achieve for America.

Monkeytoe on June 12, 2013 at 2:46 PM

I honestly don’t understand what these people think amnesty will achieve for America.

Monkeytoe on June 12, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Its destruction?

Let’s look at the usual suspects.

-Leftists hate the USA and will support whatever will harm it.
-Liberals are morons who feel guilty that the US has been the greatest nation of all time. They think that that’s just so unfair, and that it’s right that the US is knocked down a peg- that is, as long as they themselves can maintain their own lifestyle.
-Dems want to expand their voter plantation.
-Then you have useful idiots like Rubio and Ryan who want to be beloved by the media and their opponents in Congress.
-McCain is senile and grumpy and wants to remain Maverick- I suspect that he wears toy six-shooters around his home now. Graham is a freak show who likes the attention afforded by being ‘different’.

justltl on June 13, 2013 at 9:29 AM

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