Rubio on immigration: Legalizing illegals must and will come before border security

posted at 6:01 pm on June 10, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Byron York, don’t accuse the man of inconsistency. He’s defended “legalization first” since the very beginning of this process; his demands about border-security triggers have only ever applied to the second step in the path to citizenship, the green-card process after illegals have been given probationary legal status so that they can stay and work. It’s probationary status to which most border hawks object since it gives illegals a stake in residency that’ll never, ever be withdrawn no matter what happens on the border. What makes yesterday’s statement noteworthy is simply the fact that Rubio’s been tiptoeing to the right lately on immigration as prospects for passage in the House have begun to look dicier. He supported Cornyn’s amendment demanding more exacting standards for border control. Would he, perchance, also withdraw his key concession to the Democrats, namely, legalization first?

Nope, not a chance.

Salina to Rubio: You said this week that you would be inclined to vote against the legislation that you yourself helped to write unless there were some amendments that would strengthen even more the security of the border. Would you be willing to throw everything overboard?

Rubio: No, I am 100 percent committed to the issue of migration, immigration reform. To the contrary, I am going to continue working to ensure that that does not happen. My point is that if we can’t secure the border, if we can’t take the steps necessary to win the confidence of our colleagues, this is never going to become law, and we are wasting our time. But I don’t think we’re going to reach that point. I simply think that if we achieve a reasonable means … to secure the border and prevent any kind of other wave of illegal immigration in the future, we will have more than enough votes.

Rubio, responding to the concern that legalization might be delayed and therefore be subjected to the policies of future administrations: Let’s be clear. Nobody is talking about preventing the legalization. The legalization is going to happen. That means the following will happen: First comes the legalization. Then come the measures to secure the border. And then comes the process of permanent residence. What we’re talking about here is the system of permanent residence. As for the legalization, the enormous majority of my colleagues have accepted that it has to happen and that it has to begin at the same time we begin the measures for [the border]. It is not conditional. The legalization is not conditional.

Why won’t he demand border security before legalization, as Rand Paul suggested a few months ago should happen? Because that would kill the bill and Rubio’s committed to seeing something pass. Unconditional legalization is the jackpot prize for Democrats in all this, even more than an up-front guarantee of citizenship after the border’s secured. Nail down legalization and a citizenship process will surely follow later, if only because pressure from Latino voters on Republicans to pass it will ensure that it does. Rubio’s essentially being forced to choose between making a take-it-or-leave-it offer of “security first, legalization second,” which would win back conservatives at the price of scaring Democrats away and inviting endless demagoguery from them about him having killed the bill, or accepting their “legalization first, security second” demand. I think he’s calculating, unfortunately quite rationally, that conservatives are far more likely to forgive him for selling out their core interest in the name of winning over Latinos than general-election voters are if he becomes known as The Man Who Killed Reform. So he’ll give the Dems “legalization first” and focus instead on making the border security in step two as tight as he can. That’s the best way to balance general-election voters and Republican primary voters. It’s also why, I assume, Rubio would never agree to Mickey Kaus’s idea to give up on a big comprehensive bill and start small with a confidence-building compromise that would institute E-Verify in exchange for DREAM amnesty for younger illegals. Anything short of a big bill at this point will be used against him by Democrats eager to frame him as in thrall to conservatives and therefore “too radical” to get things done in Washington as president. For Rubio it’s comprehensive reform or bust, even if that means selling out on the key legalization provision.

Meanwhile, here’s Kelly Ayotte, revealing yesterday on “Face the Nation” that she too is the sort of establishment Republican liar who’ll run against amnesty when she needs to win a Republican nomination and then quickly revert to comprehensive reform once she’s safely in power. (She also needed to show New Hampshirites that she’s not the wingnutty wingnut Mike Bloomberg’s group keeps claiming she is for voting against expanded background checks.) She and Rubio will work together wonderfully in the years ahead. Oh, and if you’re expecting the House to put the brakes on all this, read Politico’s new piece about Boehner’s thinking on immigration. He wants GOP-run committees to start moving on reform with an eye to having a bill on the floor before the July 4th recess. Full speed ahead.


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Where does Rubio get his money?

ignatzk on June 10, 2013 at 11:25 PM

From the cheap labor treason lobby which includes billionaires like Rupert Murdoch, Sheldon Adelson and Zuckerberg to name a few.

TxAnn56 on June 10, 2013 at 11:59 PM

So we need to secure the border why AFTER we’ve already legalized the lawbreakers?

This truly is political double-speak.

catmman on June 11, 2013 at 12:13 AM

We have bigger issues right now than making life easier for Mexicans.

Anyone who spends time on this has no judgment.

virgo on June 11, 2013 at 12:14 AM

Fed Up with Senor Rubio’s scam.

workingclass artist on June 11, 2013 at 12:15 AM

Rubio’s name and voice are being constantly featured in radio/tv spots on a national basis, with emphasis on conservative outlets and markets where he would presumably be most effective (with back-up in a cameo role from Wisconsin GOP Rep. Paul Ryan). The ads are sponsored by a Mark Zuckerberg-Silicon Valley group calling itself “Americans for a Conservative Direction.” Oddly, before these ads appeared, no one had ever thought to describe the Obama-loving Silicon Valley moguls as “Republican,” much less “conservative,” in outlook

http://cnsnews.com/blog/m-stanton-evans/rubio-fronts-schumer-durbin

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Enjoy your little time in the limelight…the photo-op when this crap sammich is passed by traitors to the Republic.
It will be your last.
We will never give you another vote….you can check with Romney how that liberal crap worked out.
III

dirtengineer on June 11, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Just unbelievable how much of a complete scumbag liar this guy is.

WisCon on June 11, 2013 at 12:33 AM

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Yeah, I scream at my radio every time those bullsqueeze commercials come on. That’s some seriously unadulterated lies contained in there.

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 12:42 AM

So we need to secure the border why AFTER we’ve already legalized the lawbreakers?

This truly is political double-speak.

catmman

It’s so mind-numbingly dumb, it could only come from Congress.

xblade on June 11, 2013 at 1:02 AM

Yeah, I scream at my radio every time those bullsqueeze commercials come on. That’s some seriously unadulterated lies contained in there.

Midas on June 11, 2013 at 12:42 AM

I do the same thing, LOL I’ve always wished that Rush or Hannity would come back and set the record straight, but they don’t.

Want to hear what Rush/Hannity and especially Levin say Tuesday.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 1:32 AM

Rubio is dead to me. Unfortunately, he is now enough of a RINO to get the nomination. Sigh.

By the way, note that when they say Bi-partisan, they mean Democrat and RINO.

Theophile on June 11, 2013 at 2:17 AM

Rubio has completed his full crossover to the ‘Dark Side’! He started out talking about how Americans don’t trust politicians who DEMAND new legislation be passed, while the current legislation/laws are ignored, and insist it be done BEFORE the borders are secured. Even HE said that in the past it has NEVER happened & even admitted as long as that pattern continues it never will. He knows if we waved a wand & made every Illegal in this country a citizen today the ‘Illegsls in the U.S.’ counter would begin rolling like the U.S. debt clock, beginning to cound a whole new decade of millions of Illegals who have no respectf for this nation & who only want the ‘free stuff’ coming into this country all over again.

Rubio has become the politician he began warning us about when he started working on this legislation.

easyt65 on June 11, 2013 at 7:54 AM

I am stunned by the duplicity of Ayotte. Simply stunned.

I am not against resolving the immigration issue. Nor am I any type of extremist. But any bill coming out of Congress with the word “comprehensive” attached to it has been a provable disaster for our country.

The approach being suggested here is a ruse that will not do anything to solve the problem. In fact, it will become worse by encompassing far more illegal immigrants with its provisions simply because the so-called proof standards are open to fraud. It will create more chain migration and be an encouragement for others to now cross the borders illegally. That is the demonstrable history of these type of measures.

This is all before we get to the costs which will strain an already broken entitlement system and localities who have been financially devastated by the affects. Where does that relief come from in this bill?

You might as well call this Obamacare Part II.

Marcus Traianus on June 11, 2013 at 8:31 AM

By the way, I believe Rubio’s intentions are noble but his negotiating is naive and contra-intellectual. No bill of this breadth and magnitude has ever resolved the issue it was targeted to address. Ever.

If Congress can not pass several smaller bills to target specific issues they need to find another job. All of them. We are done as a country waiting to “find out what’s in a bill after it passes”. That’s already been done and it is a looming disaster.

Marcus Traianus on June 11, 2013 at 8:36 AM

By the way, I believe Rubio’s intentions are noble…

Marcus Traianus on June 11, 2013 at 8:36 AM

What do you find “noble” about, “The legalization is going to happen. That means the following will happen: First comes the legalization. Then come the measures to secure the border.“?

He’s a hack, is goofy in the head, and should not be trusted.

Anti-Control on June 11, 2013 at 8:45 AM

What’s that sucking water sound I hear….oh it’s Rubios career going down the toilet where it belongs…..

Caseoftheblues on June 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Rubio has blown it. History shows legalization now and border security later equals legalization only. Bush passed build the border fence law and it was defunded by Dems. Border security/fence will never be built unless legalization is tied to building of the fence.

generouse on June 11, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Rubio who?

44Magnum on June 11, 2013 at 8:56 AM

What amazes me, even though we live in times where political betrayal is stunningly ‘par for the course’, is how blatant these people are. It’s not that they aren’t hearing the message. When they’re up for reelection, they parrot the message back perfectly, as we see. It’s that they have no compunction whatsoever about taking our votes and then just doing whatever the hell they think is best for their personal careers.

In this regard, they are the same as their political opponents. And isn’t that the underlying current which has so damaged the GOP brand… that all politicians are “the same”? THIS is the source of apathy and anger which Republicans needed to combat. Pandering in the arena of identity politics doesn’t solve the image problem which has hurt Republicans. The only thing which does is CONSISTENT faithfulness to the core principles of Republicanism.

Maybe it really is time for a third party? I’ve resisted that idea on grounds that we’d split the conservative vote and allow an unimpeded path forward for socialist Democrats, but if it really is all “the same” anyway, what’s the difference? Half a loaf is supposed to be better than none, but are we really getting any loaf at all when time, after time, after time we find ourselves betrayed by greasy politicians who said all the right things on the stump and then took a dump on our values and even, in this case, the sovereignty of our borders?

I think we need to make an example of people like Marco Rubio, Kelly Ayotte, and Chris Christie… people who told us one thing and then did another. And if that means a third party, so be it. But what we need is a VIABLE third party, where candidates are properly vetted and we don’t end up running a bunch of loonies who self-implode on the campaign trail.

Murf76 on June 11, 2013 at 9:05 AM

There is NO one in Congress I can trust to do the right thing for America. Maybe Rand and Cruz. Rubico is a RINO

karlinsync on June 11, 2013 at 9:07 AM

We’ve been taken by two of the greatest con-artists Rubio and Paul Ryan, I am absolutly appalled by the way I was dooped by these two.

ChunkyLover on June 11, 2013 at 9:07 AM

By the way, I believe Rubio’s intentions are noble…

Marcus Traianus on June 11, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Seriously we need to start a support group for these people who refuse to open their eyes about Rubio…I’m thinking…Rubio’s Rubes but I’m open

The gang of 8 bill isn’t just sloppy bill writing with some bad things that need to be ironed out…every single page is a deliberate egregious attack on the sovereignty of the United States and the well being of its citizens!

It destroys what little border security we have…border agent are under the auspices of the Civil Rights Department of the DOJ. It says in the bill that no border agent can remand any illegal found sneaking over the border IF it is found to have a negative impact on them or any of there family members!!! Really

There has been no determination of cost or where the money to pay for it will come from because it is deemed an “emergency” in the bill so no pay as you go”

There are no real requirements to pay back taxes, a fine, learn English, pass a background check or even have a job. The bill takes the government role of screening and processing illegals and gives it to community organization groups like acorn and La Raza and gives those groups permanent Massive Federal funding to do it. No oversight of what these groups will say or do or how they will spend the money. They could literally require them to vote Democrat…probably will and that will be just fine…I’m sure it’s actually the intent

So dont tell me Rubio was a bad negotiator…he would have to be profoundly brain damaged to not know what this bill does.

Caseoftheblues on June 11, 2013 at 9:07 AM

I had a lot of hope for Rubio as a rising star amongst conservatives. He’s already doomed any chance of becoming a Republican nominee for President. His only political move left is to switch parties. He’ll never be a Republican president.

cajunpatriot on June 11, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Caseoftheblues on June 11, 2013 at 9:07 AM

I agree, I think we should do a levin surge on Mark levin hopefully he will repent his support for Rubio.

ChunkyLover on June 11, 2013 at 9:12 AM

What exactly is this supposed to accomplish? Surely somewhere buried in this legislation is a requirement that illegals wages be at least minimum wage, increasing the cost of their employment. With no access to cheap labor, employers will hire real Americans and the illegals will become jobless. So now we will have higher prices due to increased labor costs, more welfare due to unemployed formerly illegal workers and more democrat voters. Excellent! Whats not to love?

ctmom on June 11, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Conservatives MUST never vote for another Pub. NEVER!!! And Hannity and especially Limbaugh are NOT conservatives. They are Repupkinistas. They would vote for anyone with an R by their name.

they lie on June 11, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Maybe it really is time for a third party? I’ve resisted that idea on grounds that we’d split the conservative vote and allow an unimpeded path forward for socialist Democrats…

We may be giftwrapping elections for Dems for the first couple of election cycles, but I think people will eventually see what the new parties are like, and you’ll start to see some voters abandon the Dems because this new party sides with them more.

As for this Bravo-Sierra about legalization first, security second, that’s only gonna cause a massive run for the border to get in before the border-fortifying starts (which’ll generate positive PR for the Dems, no doubt). Better to get the ball rolling on the border-tightening first, ASAP, at an unspecified date, so there’s no big deadline date to reach the goal line.

TMOverbeck on June 11, 2013 at 9:44 AM

That’s it for his political ambitions, then, alas.

Knott Buyinit on June 11, 2013 at 10:03 AM

More exposure of the elitist GOP’s real soul.

Far too late for a third party, besides anyone who lives in Washington catches the socialist “we gots power” disease.

Don L on June 11, 2013 at 10:11 AM

TxAnn56 on June 10, 2013 at 11:59 PM

So we need to secure the border why AFTER we’ve already legalized the lawbreakers?

catmman on June 11, 2013 at 12:13 AM

How else are you then going to stop the millions of gringo producers from trying to escape Marxist America?

Don L on June 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Rubio knows about Reagan’s 1986 failure on amnesty. He spoke about it on Rush & Mark Levin’s show(s). He also flat out lied to both hosts that he wouldn’t make the same mistake as Reagan. He stated several times that border security is first.

He (Rubio) & the GOP is dead to me. Conservatives we need a third party. I’ve been saying this for a couple years now. The GOP has permanently lost its way. We can’t take it back.

Conservative4Ever on June 11, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Will the Three Monkeys of Oblivion, Levin, Limbaugh and Hannity, finally denounce their darling boy Frankenstein Monster yet? They helped build him up and give him credibility and have a responsibility to dismantle him. If they do not, they can not call themselves men.

VorDaj on June 10, 2013 at 7:03 PM

You must not listen often. I listen to Rush & Levin everyday. They had gone cold on Rubio for months now.

Conservative4Ever on June 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM

You must not listen often. I listen to Rush & Levin everyday. They had gone cold on Rubio for months now.
Conservative4Ever on June 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM

I wouldn’t say cold… Just a little lukewarm. They are NOT raging about this bill like they were obamacare… And it’s worse. Also basically crickets from….Fox news, Hannitu, Palin, Bachman. And then you have the full on turncoats like Rubio, Ryan, McConnell, Ayotte,.. Boehner seems ready to put foreign nationals interests first too. We do NOT it seems… American citizens… Really have representation in DC. It’s just shut up and pay those taxes and fines !

Caseoftheblues on June 11, 2013 at 11:15 AM

cloture vote at 2 PM TODAY!!

Call your Senator – or ANY Senator – for free – using a liberal open borders front group’s toll free number

1-888-979-7506

option 2 for Senators, then your ZIP code, then option 0 for Capitol switchboard and ask for anyone in DC

and open borders PICO front group pays for your call!!

http://www.piconetwork.org/issues/immigration

fred5678 on June 11, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Also basically crickets from….Fox news, Hannitu, Palin, Bachman. And then you have the full on turncoats like Rubio, Ryan, McConnell, Ayotte,.. Boehner

SQUIRREL!! I never said a damn thing about the names above. You did. Not necessary to attempt to lecture me on them.

Conservative4Ever on June 11, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Jeb Bush’s Waterboy. Bought and paid for with “Bush Crime Family” dirty money. Marco Freakin’ Screwbio!

Jayrae on June 11, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Meanwhile, here’s Kelly Ayotte, revealing yesterday on “Face the Nation” that she too is the sort of establishment Republican liar who’ll run against amnesty when she needs to win a Republican nomination and then quickly revert to comprehensive reform once she’s safely in power.

THE WHOLE DAMN GOP RAN ON NO AMNESTY!!!!

The GOP platform:

We recognize that for most of those seeking entry into this country, the lack of respect for the rule of law in their homelands has meant economic exploitation and political oppression by corrupt elites. In this country, the rule of law guarantees equal treatment to every individual, including more than one million immigrants to whom we grant permanent residence every year. That is why we oppose any form of amnesty for those who, by intentionally violating the law, disadvantage those who have obeyed it. Granting amnesty only rewards and encourages more law breaking.

fred5678 on June 11, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Sen. Tim Kaine of VA in a long speech in Spanish on our Senate floor.

WTF?????

WTF??????

Open reconquista in action!!!!

I’m calling his office and telling him to go ………

1-888-979-7506

option 2 for Senators, then your ZIP code, then option 0 for Capitol switchboard and ask for anyone in DC

use the open borders group’s TOLL FREE!!!!

fred5678 on June 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Why bother legalizing them at all? It will only cause a new wave of illegal immigration. See Reagan 1986. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Dasher on June 11, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Step 2 will never happen regardless due to court challenges. Not worth getting upset about. Just open the southern vorder.

rickyricardo on June 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Depending on whether you like Rubio or not you can read this two ways:

What it has to happen and that it has to begin at the same time we begin the measures for [the border]. It is not conditional. The legalization is not conditional.

What it has to happen and that it has to begin at the same time we begin the measures for [the border]. It (Securing the border) is not conditional. The legalization is not conditional. (The legalization is a system for permanent residence, not automatic citizenship.)

There are people in the media who hope you will hate Rubio, and try to show them in the worst light possible, hoping for knee jerk reactions.

What he was trying to say here, was that, in contrast to what Rand Paul had proposed, that the border work be finished before legalization is begun, was not his, Rubio’s, point of view. We, of course suspect the border work will not be done by Mr.(Obama) and Mrs.(Napolitano) Selective Enforcement-Spend-the-Money-Elsewhere.

I think this is sound bited out to offend us on purpose.

Fleuries on June 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM

I think this is sound bited out to offend us on purpose.

Fleuries on June 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Horseshit. He said it on Univision. “Legalization has to come before border security.” There is no edit.

The point is that our system isn’t broken. It just isn’t being enforced. Our borders aren’t being enforced. Our existing immigration laws are not being enforced. How can anyone say we have a broken system if we’ve made no attempt whatsoever to enforce our existing rules and laws? In addition, this non-enforcement has been towards a racial preference of Hispanic illegal immigrants.

If our immigration problem was that too many blue eyed Germanic conservative leaners were coming and staying here illegally, you can be damn sure that we’d see border and immigration enforcement usng our existing rules and laws.

oldroy on June 11, 2013 at 1:11 PM

I get so tired and disgusted reading about the total morons in DC that are self anointed, prescient, “leaders” and “representatives”. God help us all. We are so broken it will never be fixed. Rome is burning brightly and the rest of the world knows it.

ultracon on June 11, 2013 at 1:13 PM

We don’t have an immigration problem. We have an enforcement problem. We’ve made no attempt at enforcement. Give us a new “system” and we will still have no enforcement.

oldroy on June 11, 2013 at 1:23 PM

fred5678 on June 11, 2013 at 12:07 PM

I’ve read two different articles that McConnell is not bringing a cloture vote to the floor and Reid thanked him. We’ll see. I’ve got C-span2 on TV and they are on break at the moment & will resume around 2PM as you say.

I called my Senators this morning.

When the gun control was up, we had 16 Republican Senators that voted FOR cloture!! They could have voted NO and shut the bill down. Now Reid is able to bring that back up whenever he pleases.

I think if there is any cloture vote, the same R Senators will vote yes.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 1:24 PM

THE WHOLE DAMN GOP RAN ON NO AMNESTY!!!!

The GOP platform:

We recognize that for most of those seeking entry into this country, the lack of respect for the rule of law in their homelands has meant economic exploitation and political oppression by corrupt elites. In this country, the rule of law guarantees equal treatment to every individual, including more than one million immigrants to whom we grant permanent residence every year. That is why we oppose any form of amnesty for those who, by intentionally violating the law, disadvantage those who have obeyed it. Granting amnesty only rewards and encourages more law breaking.

fred5678 on June 11, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Yes, and the Democrat platform always includes a statement about their respect for the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens, and the rights of people of faith to have their voices heard in the “public square”.

After they get elected, both groups grin, flip you the bird, and say, “F**k You, peasants. Now shut up and do as you’re told.”

Politicians are power-hungry liars. Political labels are irrelevant. Or to paraphrase Douglas Adams, “Anyone capable of getting himself elected should on no account be allowed to serve”.

clear ether

eon

eon on June 11, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Where does Rubio get his money?

ignatzk on June 10, 2013 at 11:25 PM

I’m guessing that international drug cartels have found ways to “influence” many of our elected “leaders” at the Federal, State, and in some places Local levels.

Amnesty/legalization for ILLEGAL aliens would certainly make it easier to move drugs throughout the United States.

wren on June 11, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I wouldn’t say cold… Just a little lukewarm. They are NOT raging about this bill like they were obamacare…
Caseoftheblues on June 11, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Totally disagree! Levin has been on a tirade about this for weeks. His rants are just as angry as they were about ObamaCare. Suggest you listen to some of his podcasts–they’re free.
http://www.marklevinshow.com/common/page.php?pt=podcasts&id=191&is_corp=0

SheVee on June 11, 2013 at 2:01 PM

There go his chances for running for Prez…up in smoke.

What a traitor.

Paul has his opening to crush Rubio (and Christie) in the primary.

The field has narrowed to:

Paul
Walker
West
Cruz

KirknBurker on June 10, 2013 at 6:36 PM

Not really-he could still win-just because most here don’t like him doesn’t mean anything. Remember, most here never voted for Obama, either.

I wonder if West can run against Rubio and unseat him? But from what I remember, Rubio is well-liked by Florida retirees and that’s quite a voting block. But, West is a war Veteran and that is good with this same group of voters.

Remember, the GOP has been telling us that they want to court the Hispanic vote…it hasn’t been a big secret.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 11, 2013 at 2:01 PM

We need to start calling Senators and our Reps and do it NOW!

This is the end of America if it goes through. I already see burqas in America.

GardenGnome on June 11, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Hi wren! Going to be on the phones tomorrow. Remember the gun control bill back in April and the 15 or 16 R’s that voted yes on cloture? I saw your list of the Senators up for re-election in ’14.
Some of them are the same.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00095

bluefox on June 10, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Hi bluefox. I see that you are hard at work (as usual) trying to save our country too!

Connecting the dots between your list of votes and the politicians who are up for re-election needs to be an important part of our strategy, since we will have the most influence with those politicians who know they will be begging for votes in the near future.

Thank goodness for the internet, which makes it possible to hold our elected representatives accountable for their votes!

wren on June 11, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Can we get a phone list and email list up on the main page please?

GardenGnome on June 11, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Can we get a phone list and email list up on the main page please?

GardenGnome on June 11, 2013 at 2:09 PM

I have it, but it will take a few minutes. Meanwhile C-span2 is on TV with Amnesty and it’s online also. Now.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Buh bye, Marco.

Such promise, too.

Oh well – next….

ICanSeeNovFromMyHouse on June 11, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Here is one list:

http://www.nagc.org/uploadedFiles/Advocacy/Congressional%20Directory%20%28113%29.pdf

This was effective in Jan/2013. If you have any you want to check, the best site is: http://www.congressmerge.com/ & click on Congress

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 2:31 PM

I see Rubio & Flake on the floor of the Senate with big smiles, so seems as if the “motion to proceed” is passing.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Henceforth, Rubio shall be known as “Patsy” rather than “Marco”.

applebutter on June 11, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Cloture vote passed. Yes-82; No-15

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Limbaugh talked about this additional reason to hate the bill: Employers who hire newly-legalized illegals are not subject to ObamaCare mandates b/c they’re not eligible to receive benefits. It will incent employers to hire them versus hiring an American citizen.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/immigration-and-obamacares-employer-mandate/article/2531604

SheVee on June 11, 2013 at 2:45 PM

I think he’s calculating, unfortunately quite rationally, that conservatives are far more likely to forgive him for selling out their core interest in the name of winning over Latinos than general-election voters are if he becomes known as The Man Who Killed Reform.

You and he would both be wrong. Conservatives are not going to forget about immigration. Rubio is killing his chance at getting the nomination, which you will recall, must happen before one can win the presidency. And if he does get it, there will be yet again depressed rank-and-file GOP turnout in a “we can’t lose” year.

Someone needs to clobber Boehner with a cluebat. Ther eis no reason to hand the Democrats a victory right now. They have no political capital and the legislation will only hurt Republicans no matter how they vote. Why don’t our guys have any spine?

alwaysfiredup on June 11, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Obama, Schummer, Durbin, Reid, together with the RINO’s McCain, Rubio,etal are not even dealing with U.S. all in good faith.

The 11 million number was a lie re: the prior Bush attempt at amnesty in 2008, yet they still use that lie.

The evil greed to use the illegals as wage slaves in any event they do not even try to hide any longer. “Green Card Them All” say the slave masters. “Green Card the islamic tech heads for Microsoftslave”.

They say they have to spy on U.S. yet the reason the deal is so bad is their evil lust for slaves has left the borders open for 50 years and now they have no idea who is in the heart lands.

L.A. and San Deigo are now towering tales of babble in 10 languages and soon at war in the streets with no rule of law.

They seem to hope these new slaves will make up enough tax money to plug the hole in the income long enough for them to escape the wrath of We The People for their crimes and misdeeds in public office.

They are known, never forget.

Stand our ground, make them come and try to take U.S. one at a time.

They are few.

We are many.

We are not afraid.

They live in fear and it shows.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on June 11, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Limbaugh talked about this additional reason to hate the bill: Employers who hire newly-legalized illegals are not subject to ObamaCare mandates b/c they’re not eligible to receive benefits. It will incent employers to hire them versus hiring an American citizen.http://washingtonexaminer.com/immigration-and-obamacares-employer-mandate/article/2531604

SheVee on June 11, 2013 at 2:45 PM

I have a friend who voted for Obama and is a Union Member whose construction work is drying up to almost nothing.

I will certainly let him know about this new source of competition for work.

Some people insist on learning lessons the hard way.

wren on June 11, 2013 at 3:18 PM

I know there’s no majority in the House GOP caucus in favor of this piece of garbage, but is there a majority overall when you add in Democrats? Even close?

alwaysfiredup on June 11, 2013 at 3:34 PM

wren on June 11, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Thanks wren! The D.C. offices were busy. I had better success phoning various District offices.

A note on that Senate & House list of phone & fax numbers. The House numbers seem fine; however the Senate numbers aren’t the same when I check them against the http://www.congressmerge.com/ site which I’ve used for several years.

I get so sick of hearing Schumer & Menendez bloviating and the rest of the turncoats.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM

P.S. Rubio’s lying ads still running on Hannity’s show.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Just open the southern vorder.

rickyricardo on June 11, 2013 at 12:52 PM

From what I’ve read, it’s already wide open:-)

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM

I’m sure Rubio has been promised a bright future with the RINO’s.

JellyToast on June 11, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Remember, the GOP has been telling us that they want to court the Hispanic vote…it hasn’t been a big secret.

Dr. ZhivBlago on June 11, 2013 at 2:01 PM

The GOP are idiots. The Dems control the Senate and don’t need one single R vote to pass Amnesty.

Additionally, Boehner will pass it in the House and rely on the Dems to help in case any R’s have a spine and vote no.

A Dem victory all the way. So who will the 30,000,000 illegals vote for? LOL

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Some people insist on learning lessons the hard way.

wren on June 11, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Corruption helps a lot. All about their power fed by their greed.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Limbaugh talked about this additional reason to hate the bill: Employers who hire newly-legalized illegals are not subject to ObamaCare mandates b/c they’re not eligible to receive benefits. It will incent employers to hire them versus hiring an American citizen.http://washingtonexaminer.com/immigration-and-obamacares-employer-mandate/article/2531604

SheVee on June 11, 2013 at 2:45 PM

So how is their healthcare going to be paid for? They all receive healthcare now. I don’t believe for one minute that they will deprive them of Medical benefits since they are not doing it now. They even get Social Security now, housing, food stamps and anything else a Citizen is eligible to receive. Rush must have forgotten the lady that has been in this Country illegally for 20 years. I think she even called his own show about it. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong on that last part.

bluefox on June 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Recall or primary the one’s who vote for this. It’s the only way to teach them a lesson.

I’d be in favor of primarying Rubio all day long at this point.

He’s no different than Nelson or….gag…..Gov. OrangeTan

JP1986UM on June 12, 2013 at 9:33 AM

People here easily include Palin as equally guilty with their former “favorite” Republicans.

Yet PALIN still remains the most consistent conservative … in and out of politics.

Ingratos!

Having said the above, I would like to thank Palin for continuing as real conservative and FOR GIVING US TED CRUZ.

TheAlamos on June 13, 2013 at 2:22 PM

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