Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on June 10, 2013 by Allahpundit

The impact of the leak inside the NSA has been enormous. “There is complete freakout mode at the agency right now,” one former intelligence officer tells The Daily Beast. “There has never been anything like this in terms of the speed of referral of a crime report to the Justice Department. Normally this kind of thing takes weeks and weeks.”…

Hayden dismissed the criticism that terrorists already knew the NSA was collecting vast amounts of telephone metadata before Snowden’s leak.

“Let me get this right: I got a religious fanatic in the cave in the Hindu Kush, yet this is a front-page, above-the-fold story and he already knew this?” he asked rhetorically. “That does not make sense. It will teach guys to be far more cautious in the future.”

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Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) on Monday said the 29-year-old man who leaked information about two national security programs is guilty of treason…

“I don’t look at this as being a whistleblower. I think it’s an act of treason,” the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee told reporters…

“He violated the oath, he violated the law. It’s treason.”

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In my estimation, there has not been in American history a more important leak than Edward Snowden’s release of NSA material – and that definitely includes the Pentagon Papers 40 years ago. Snowden’s whistleblowing gives us the possibility to roll back a key part of what has amounted to an “executive coup” against the US constitution

Obviously, the United States is not now a police state. But given the extent of this invasion of people’s privacy, we do have the full electronic and legislative infrastructure of such a state. If, for instance, there was now a war that led to a large-scale anti-war movement – like the one we had against the war in Vietnam – or, more likely, if we suffered one more attack on the scale of 9/11, I fear for our democracy. These powers are extremely dangerous…

[W]ith Edward Snowden having put his life on the line to get this information out, quite possibly inspiring others with similar knowledge, conscience and patriotism to show comparable civil courage – in the public, in Congress, in the executive branch itself – I see the unexpected possibility of a way up and out of the abyss.

Pressure by an informed public on Congress to form a select committee to investigate the revelations by Snowden and, I hope, others to come might lead us to bring NSA and the rest of the intelligence community under real supervision and restraint and restore the protections of the bill of rights.

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Edward Snowden should go to jail, as quickly and for as long as possible. This is a leak case that should be difficult for even Eric Holder to bungle. Snowden has already confessed in public to the crime of leaking classified information. He has said in public how he did it, that he did it with intent, and that he knowingly harmed our national security. Holder will finally find a leaker that he can prosecute. But given the Holder Justice Department’s record on the other leak cases, who wants to take a bet that Snowden gets a generous plea bargain or even walks?

Snowden might be guilty of espionage, or even treason. If he is telling the truth that he leaked the existence of the PRISM program to inform the American public, then he should turn himself in. A trial would give him the opportunity to explain in public why he broke the law. If he is a spy — it is amazing that someone with such little education and background was given such extensive security clearance — he may well continue running abroad. It is telling that he immediately fled to Hong Kong; one wonders whether he will offer his services and knowledge to the Chinese security services next.

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As I have argued in other contexts, the best weapon against the paralysis of technologically induced present shock is human intervention. Just as we the people stood against the structural tyranny of an overreaching monarchy, it is we the people who must stand against the structural tyranny of runaway technology.

Snowden is a hero because he realized that our very humanity was being compromised by the blind implementation of machines in the name of making us safe. Unlike those around him, who were too absorbed in their task to reflect on their actions and pause in their pursuit of digital omniscience, Snowden allowed himself to be “disturbed” by what he was doing.

More in the midst of technology than most of us will ever be, Snowden disengaged for long enough to be human and to consider the impact of what he was helping build. He pressed pause.

Thank heavens our intelligence agencies are staffed by people like Snowden, not robots. People can still think.

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Once again, the tanks-have-rolled left and the black-helicopters right have joined together in howls of protest. They were set off by last week’s revelations that the U.S. government has been collecting data that disclose the fact, but not the content, of electronic communications within the country, as well as some content data outside the U.S. that does not focus on American citizens. Once again, the outrage of the left-right coalition is misdirected…

Some wallow in the idea that they are being watched, their civil liberties endangered, simply because a handful of electrons they generated were among the vast billions being reviewed in a high-stakes antiterrorism effort. Of course, many are motivated politically or ideologically to oppose robust intelligence-gathering aimed at fending off Islamist terrorism. Criticism from that quarter can be left to lie where it fell…

Real damage was done last week by Edward Snowden, who on Sunday claimed credit for leaking the secrets he learned while working for NSA contractors. Every time we tell terrorists how we can detect them, we encourage them to find ways to avoid detection…

If the current imbroglio opens an honest discussion of the legitimate need for secrecy in a fight against seventh-century primitives equipped with 21st-century technology, it may eventually prove to have been worth the cost, but I’m not laying down any bets.

***

Monitoring the records of as many as a billion phone calls, as some news reports have suggested, is no modest invasion of privacy. It is an extraordinary invasion of privacy. We fought a revolution over issues like generalized warrants, where soldiers would go from house to house, searching anything they liked. Our lives are now so digitized that the government going from computer to computer or phone to phone is the modern equivalent of the same type of tyranny that our Founders rebelled against…

The administration has responded to the public uproar by simply claiming that it is allowed to have unlimited access to all Americans’ private information. This response is a clear indication that the president views our Constitutional “right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects” as null and void.

If this is the new normal in America, then Big Brother certainly is watching and it’s not hyperbolic or extreme to say so. Nor is it unreasonable to fear which parts of the Constitution this government will next consider negotiable or negligible.

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There is an instinct, indulged by journalists and activists, to reflexively anoint the leaker—or the whistleblower, depending on your point of view—saintly status. And the braying mobs of Snowden supporters, who nicely overlap with the passionate Julian Assange fans and Ron Paul devotees (Snowden himself donated $500 to Paul’s campaign in 2012), will doubtless dismiss any incertitude as the grumblings of Obama administration flunkies or Bush nostalgics.

Well, no. Even a generous reading of the programs exposed by Snowden should deeply trouble those of us who are skeptical of the ever-growing American security state. And even if the administration’s explanations and justifications of the NSA’s snooping programs are to be trusted—the program foiled terror attacks, was focused only on foreign nationals, and no calls were listened to, etc.—it nevertheless raises ethical and moral issues that demand further public debate, as Snowden said an interview with The Guardian…

The Guardian’s Glenn Greenwald, the indefatigable writer who broke the NSA story, has hinted that more documents are to come, and it’s possible that further evidence could clarify the story and add much-needed detail to the growing outrage. But until we know more, let’s take a few breaths and resist the insta-consecration of Edward Snowden.

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Via Mediaite.

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Gold!!!

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Is this a Bish?

KCB on June 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Nope!! Hi B!

KCB on June 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM

The NSA are the Real Heros.

BoxHead1 on June 10, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Hero or traitor?

Eye opener..

Electrongod on June 10, 2013 at 10:44 PM

KCB, the Dims have to look at it. Lol!

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Gold!!!

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Awesome!! Congratulations! Your skillz are mad!!

KCB on June 10, 2013 at 10:44 PM

The NSA are the Real Heros.

BoxHead1 on June 10, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Some of them prob are. THat was snarky and dUmb.

BoxHead1 on June 10, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Wow. A very rare Golden Bishop! Congrats, Bmore.

Eddie Snowden, neither traitor nor hero. Discuss amongst yourselves.

Fallon on June 10, 2013 at 10:45 PM

the fact, but not the content

Yea, riiiiight. Snowden himself said they could follow your keystrokes as your ideas are forming.

John the Libertarian on June 10, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Congrats, Bmore!!!

Resist We Much on June 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM

The administration has responded to the public uproar by simply claiming that it is allowed to have unlimited access to all Americans’ private information.

Obama the Flip Flopper..

So trolls…
Defend your messiah…

Hell…
Defend your position of cheering for Campaign Obama when he said that spying and the NSA wasn’t American…

Luv to hear it..

Electrongod on June 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM

not sure what to think of this guy yet, but yes, let’s have the discussion over the federal government over stepping its constitutional limitations.

ted c on June 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Fallon on June 10, 2013 at 10:45 PM

; )

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM

“He violated the oath, he violated the law. It’s treason.”

Boy, Feinstein is being tough, but fair, on Barky and most of the traitorous criminals in his retarded junta. That could be the daily description of this collection of criminals in Washington. And, since Feinstein has supported them all the way, it describes her to a tee, too.

Orange jumpsuits for all.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM

wtg Bmore!

ted c on June 10, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Evening all…

CoffeeLover on June 10, 2013 at 10:48 PM

He has said in public how he did it, that he did it with intent, and that he knowingly harmed our national security.

National security actually means Hussein’s job security .

burrata on June 10, 2013 at 10:48 PM

Snowden supported and voted for Barky. That makes him a traitor.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 10, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Resist We Much on June 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Maybe you can make use of it also. I am hopeful it will break 30,000 views at FN. It already did almost 1000 here at HA. : )

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Evening all…

CoffeeLover on June 10, 2013 at 10:48 PM

*clink*

Electrongod on June 10, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Snowden is like Cubans and hijackings in the 1970s. It’s fashionable. It’s the new meme. Wikileaks is their role model. It’s like young women getting a tramp stamp. Where did that idea ever come from? Who knows. Now it’s all the rage.

Paul-Cincy on June 10, 2013 at 10:51 PM

“Let me get this right: I got a religious fanatic in the cave in the Hindu Kush, yet this is a front-page, above-the-fold story and he already knew this?” he asked rhetorically. “That does not make sense. It will teach guys to be far more cautious in the future.”

Yeah, ‘cuz Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar didn’t have a clue that they were being tracked by their phones.

Bin Laden quit using electronic communications years before he was killed precisely because he knew the government was tracking him that way. And, Mullah Omar, the one-eyed, goat-herding leader of the Taliban, who may very well have spent years in a cave, has remained free because he isn’t, evidently, using electronic communications.

PUH-lease.

Resist We Much on June 10, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Maybe you can make use of it also. I am hopeful it will break 30,000 views at FN. It already did almost 1000 here at HA. : )

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Thx and will do with next Holder post. :-)

Resist We Much on June 10, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Bmore FTW!!!!

KCB on June 10, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Mukasey was on Greta’s show early, he managed to make points for the program and trash Obama. The only thing these people are accomplishing is across the board distrust for everyone.

Cindy Munford on June 10, 2013 at 10:52 PM

I am hopeful it will break 30,000 views at FN. It already did almost 1000 here at HA. : )

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Tracking our usage, are we?!

John the Libertarian on June 10, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Evening all…

CoffeeLover on June 10, 2013 at 10:48 PM

*clink*

Electrongod on June 10, 2013 at 10:50 PM

I’m *clinkin’!!!!*

KCB on June 10, 2013 at 10:53 PM

I agree, it’s treason. He is basically a low level IT helpdesk guy that obtained secrets of his country and exposed them in an attempt to be a celebrity.

Find him, try him, throw away the key.

His actions are probably going to get people killed.

crosspatch on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Hero or traitor?

I would say both. A hero to those who oppose tyranny and taking away the rights our Founding Fathers fought for, even if it’s done under the claim of “national security”, which is the usual claim of tyrants. And a traitor to the tyrant Obama and his apologists and fellow travelers.

VorDaj on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

not sure what to think of this guy yet

Unlike Manning, a person whom I completely despise, I think Snowden will end up being a mixed bag.

let’s have the discussion over the federal government over stepping its constitutional limitations.

ted c on June 10, 2013 at 10:47 PM

0dumba & the NSA definitely overstepped their boundaries – how that plays out legally & politically will be very interesting to see…

Anti-Control on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

He has said in public how he did it, that he did it with intent, and that he knowingly harmed our national security. Holder will finally find a leaker that he can prosecute. But given the Holder Justice Department’s record on the other leak cases, who wants to take a bet that Snowden gets a generous plea bargain or even walks?

LOL. Snowden didn’t leak anything about national security. The NSA indiscriminate snooping of Americans is not about national security. THe only people who have been leaking true national security info are Barky and his junta. Not only have they leaked national security secrets – which they tried to defend by saying that if the Precedent leaks it then it must be legal … uh huh … – but they have leaked sensitive information about American allies to enemies and the world.

There has never been a shortage of treasonous leakers since Barky and his junta took over. The leaks coming from the White House, itself, have been enough to hold treason trials every week – successful treason trials of the Indonesian and the inept America-haters he’s surrounded himself with.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Obama In His Own Words: Civil Liberties, National Security & Snooping

Resist We Much on June 10, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Should of had Obama in the new fashion..

Google spy classes..

Electrongod on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

glasses that is..

Electrongod on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

I dunno..

wolly4321 on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Gold!!!

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM

…*clink*…

KOOLAID2 on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

I think Snowden is a champion of freedom and liberty, a great American patriot and a hero of the modern age who has earned a place in the history books.

FloatingRock on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

lol….the coffee cup is clinking :)

CoffeeLover on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

He’s a hero. We have a rogue government that needs to be checked. What did he tell the jihadists that they didn’t already know or should expect? This is about exposing the Obama police state that is running over every American.

txhsmom on June 10, 2013 at 10:55 PM

KCB on June 10, 2013 at 10:53 PM

:)

Electrongod on June 10, 2013 at 10:55 PM

The NSA are the Real Heros.

BoxHead1 on June 10, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Well maybe Obama can pin Hero of the Reich medals on them.

VorDaj on June 10, 2013 at 10:56 PM

BRB..
Got to fill my wine glass…

Electrongod on June 10, 2013 at 10:56 PM

His actions are probably going to get people killed.

crosspatch on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

who do you think this guy is? Romney?

renalin on June 10, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Hayden dismissed the criticism that terrorists already knew the NSA was collecting vast amounts of telephone metadata before Snowden’s leak.

“Let me get this right: I got a religious fanatic in the cave in the Hindu Kush, yet this is a front-page, above-the-fold story and he already knew this?” he asked rhetorically. “That does not make sense. It will teach guys to be far more cautious in the future.”

Is this Hayden guy for real ?
Is he this stupid ?
Someone needs to bring him out of the 1990s and tell him about cell phones with cameras and how people all over the world have them these days.Hayden will be really surprised when he’ll find out that
“religious” fanatics have computers and internet and flash drives too !!

burrata on June 10, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Gold!!!

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 10:42 PM

More like lead, as in lead-lined casket. Care to amend your comment?

Bishop on June 10, 2013 at 10:57 PM

National security actually means Hussein’s job security .

burrata on June 10, 2013 at 10:48 PM

A lot of other peoples too.

VorDaj on June 10, 2013 at 10:57 PM

I blame the Warren court.

wolly4321 on June 10, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Bin Laden quit using electronic communications years before he was killed precisely because he knew the government was tracking him that way.

Resist We Much on June 10, 2013 at 10:51 PM

That was thanks to a NY Slimes report, I believe. Or WaPo. I forget.

Now, that was all about national security as it detailed legal operations overseas by our intelligence agencies – which are made to operate overseas (and not at home) specifically because of what they are supposed to be doing. This is why we have the CIA for abroad and the FBI for domestic concerns – both operating under very different restraints and towards very different aims.

But, of course, the globalists and anti-Americans never saw a difference between American territory and anywhere else in the world. National sovereignty never meant anything to those morons.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 10, 2013 at 10:57 PM

I think Snowden is a champion of freedom and liberty, a great American patriot and a hero of the modern age who has earned a place in the history books.

FloatingRock on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

He’s a treasonous, America-hating idiot who supported Barky.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 10, 2013 at 10:58 PM

I don’t know how to look at this any more; I’m feeling a bit forlorn.

Bishop on June 10, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Tracking our usage, are we?!

John the Libertarian on June 10, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Not quite as well as the government, but hey, I don’t have the resources they do either. You can bet they know me. Lol! ; )

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Hello – AND WELCOME TO ED AND ALLAHPUNDIT’S “HAVING THE DISCUSSION THE LIBERAL MEDIA WANTS US TO!!!” BLOG!!

Example: Dems, GOP waiting for Hillary

Translation: “WE in The Liberal Media are Just DYING for The Arrival of Hillary – and SO IS ED AND ALLAH!!”

williamg on June 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM

The administration has responded to the public uproar by simply claiming that it is allowed to have unlimited access to all Americans’ private information.

Welcome to the Fourth Reich.

VorDaj on June 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Negative liberties. Flawed Consitution, clearly.

wolly4321 on June 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM

…*clink*…

KOOLAID2 on June 10, 2013 at 10:54 PM

*clink!* ; )

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) on Monday said the 29-year-old man who leaked information about two national security programs is guilty of treason…

If anything it’s the people responsible for this unconstitutional attack on our civil liberties that are guilty of treason.

FloatingRock on June 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Had the NSA not been violating our privacy, no crime would have been committed. This is not a new program, just never had it been so widespread-that we know of.

john1schn on June 10, 2013 at 11:01 PM

More like lead, as in lead-lined casket. Care to amend your comment?

Bishop on June 10, 2013 at 10:57 PM

No.

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Oh, Axie, baby! Look what momma’s got for ya…

The Creeping Surveillance State And Its Assault On Civil Liberties

Snort.

Resist We Much on June 10, 2013 at 11:01 PM

He’s a treasonous, America-hating idiot who supported Barky.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 10, 2013 at 10:58 PM

No he is not, he didn’t support Obama, he supported Ron Paul. He is a patriot, not a traitor. The traitors are the ones who’ve been systematically violating fundamental American principles and violating our rights.

FloatingRock on June 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Resist We Much on June 10, 2013 at 11:01 PM

The picture of that eye is awesome and creepy. I’m keeping the article to read for tomorrow. Seems I am a bit burned out tonight!

CoffeeLover on June 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM

HEY!!! Let’s Talk About The NSA because…..you know: mmmmBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!

….and did I say mmmmBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH?!!!………Obama’s NOT doing anything that mmmBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH didn’t do, too!! …………..Everything is just like when mmmmBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH was in office…..you know, mmmBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!

williamg on June 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM

More like lead, as in lead-lined casket. Care to amend your comment?

Bishop on June 10, 2013 at 10:57 PM

haha =D

For some reason, I immediately thought of this song when I read that ;)

Ugly on June 10, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Critical race theory cures thia.

wolly4321 on June 10, 2013 at 11:04 PM

As Mooch is known for saying…

“For the first time in my adult life..
I am proud of my country”

Electrongod on June 10, 2013 at 11:04 PM

No.

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 11:01 PM

-_-

Bishop on June 10, 2013 at 11:05 PM

“There has never been anything like this in terms of the speed of referral of a crime report to the Justice Department. Normally this kind of thing takes weeks and weeks.”

Of course. They don’t give a s**t until it affects them.

They are not on our side. They are on their own side, and we are their pesky neighbors that they want to keep in check.

Shame on anyone who supports this tyrannical government for the illusion of safety.

MadisonConservative on June 10, 2013 at 11:05 PM

If anything it’s the people responsible for this unconstitutional attack on our civil liberties that are guilty of treason.

FloatingRock on June 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Anyone who’s lied to & about Congress in defense of the NSA is traitorous in my book, too.

Anti-Control on June 10, 2013 at 11:05 PM

MEANWHILE – THIS ADMINISTRATION MURDERED FOUR INNOCENT AMERICANS IN BENGHAZI!!

williamg on June 10, 2013 at 11:05 PM

-_-

Bishop on June 10, 2013 at 11:05 PM

-_- Lol! ; )

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 11:05 PM

*this*

wolly4321 on June 10, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Critical race theory cures this.

wolly4321 on June 10, 2013 at 11:04 PM

LOL. I forgot all about Critical Race Theory. So much stupidity in so little time …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 10, 2013 at 11:06 PM

I’m not sure what he is, but this program would never have seen the light of day without being leaked by someone. So for that, I’d say thank you to him.

GiantOrb on June 10, 2013 at 11:06 PM

BTW, how are the morons @FNC covering this NSA thing ?
They must all be supporting Idi Hussein …..I’m guessing

burrata on June 10, 2013 at 11:06 PM

He violated the oath

I’d also be curious to know what oath Snowden “broke”, since he apparently was never admitted into the military, and was only a contractor for the CIA. What oath would he ever have taken? And anyone who says the Pledge of Allegiance gets my pimp hand up their head.

MadisonConservative on June 10, 2013 at 11:07 PM

MEANWHILE – THIS ADMINISTRATION MURDERED FOUR INNOCENT AMERICANS IN BENGHAZI!!

williamg on June 10, 2013 at 11:05 PM

“They were in the wrong place at the wrong time…”

- Former Secretary of State..

Electrongod on June 10, 2013 at 11:08 PM

No he is not, he didn’t support Obama,

He sure did from the quotes of his that I saw.

he supported Ron Paul.

Oy.

He is a patriot, not a traitor. The traitors are the ones who’ve been systematically violating fundamental American principles and violating our rights.

FloatingRock on June 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM

They’re all traitors. This is one criminal traitor turning on the others.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 10, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Ol’ Diane can pound sand too. I haven’t decided how to label Snowden but the pols are going to beat his azs into the ground in an attempt to cover their own culpability in all of this.

There’s program funding, new buildings, increased staffing, equipment, etc. etc. that needs to be provided to the NSA by Congress. They’re the people who enabled all of this either by agreement or by failing to question why all the enhancements were necessary.

Bishop on June 10, 2013 at 11:09 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 10, 2013 at 10:57 PM

The point is that the terrorists sitting in caves in the Hindu Kush already know that the US is tracking electronics, despite what Michael Hayden claims.

In fact, the NSA more than likely has much more of my metadata than that belonging to the guys in the Hindu Kush, which just proves the point that my privacy is being invaded for no reason.

‘I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.’

— Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Archibald Stuart, 1791

Oh, and I just loooooooove how DiFi and others are claiming that these programmes prevented two terrorist attacks:

1. The first was allegedly the Mumbai attack that took place from 26 November until 29 November 2008 and killed 166 people.

SO, the programme prevented that attack? How so? Was it just some huge false flag? Are the dead people on some private island unbeknownst to their families or have they become shape-shifting lizardmen?

2. Then, they point to the planned 2009 subway attack in NYC. The problem is that contemporary documents and statements disprove their claims and actually give more credit to the British government in foiling the attack than the US intelligence community.

Resist We Much on June 10, 2013 at 11:10 PM

They’re all traitors. This is one criminal traitor turning on the others.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 10, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Who is the target?

Are they also traitors?

Electrongod on June 10, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Snowden and Manning both appear to be guilty of treason. They are traitors who acted recklessly and deserve the harshest punishment available.

Shame on all of you holding up these men as saintly heroes!

Many of you are such lemmings, jumping on the hysterical “we’re in a police state!” bandwagon because you heard Rush or Beck say this was Obama’s coup attempt. Or maybe you are licking your chops, giddily thinking that this will finally be the thing that brings down Obama. Well, it won’t be, and Obama is going to be gone in just a couple years anyway.

Obviously we should be concerned about potential for abuse of surveillance data, and we should expect proper oversight, but we should not turn into saints reckless traitors who had other, more appropriate channels to express whatever concerns they had.

I am very concerned about preventing terrorist attacks, and I want the NSA to have every tool available to help do so. What Snowden did was increase the probability of future terrorist attacks succeeding. This is what many of you are cheering.

bluegill on June 10, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Oh, and Ed is still a goddamned tool for making an entire blog post out of the fact that Snowden donated to Ron Paul’s campaign, and then turning it into a cheap shot claiming that Snowden should have given the PRISM program to Paul, rather than the cash.

Right…because we all know how seriously the media takes Ron Paul. Almost as seriously as Darrell Issa, who, despite NOT being a crank, can’t even get the media to pay attention to thousands of weapons given to drug cartels by our government. What weak-ass analysis, just for the sake of spiting someone who is out of the political game anyway.

Good grief. I don’t know whether it’s a good thing or a bad thing that this whole ordeal is separating the Big-Govters from the Limited-Govters. I mean, it’s nice to see who really pulls through in the clutch…but it’s scary to see how many so-called conservatives appear to have Stockholm Syndrome.

Wake the f**k up, you dupes.

MadisonConservative on June 10, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Yep, the State Run Media want this to be about Snowden…the NSA programs make Dear Leader look so badly.

Is there ever going to be a time when this Big Brother snooping will stop? No, it will only get worse. Maybe we all need some sort of identifying marks so the government could keep up with us?

d1carter on June 10, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Ol’ Diane can pound sand too. I haven’t decided how to label Snowden but the pols are going to beat his azs into the ground in an attempt to cover their own culpability in all of this.

Bishop on June 10, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Yep, instead of the nuts-n-slvts strategy, it will be the nuts-n-traitors attack.

Take note how fast DiFi has convicted him of treason. Who wants to bet that DiFi still believed that Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs were innocent until the Mitrokhin Archives were opened and the Venona Project papers published?

Resist We Much on June 10, 2013 at 11:13 PM

That old familiar stench. Can’t say that I have missed that.

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Many of you are such lemmings, jumping on the hysterical “we’re in a police state!” bandwagon because you heard Rush or Beck say this was Obama’s coup attempt. Or maybe you are licking your chops, giddily thinking that this will finally be the thing that brings down Obama. Well, it won’t be, and Obama is going to be gone in just a couple years anyway.

bluegill on June 10, 2013 at 11:12 PM

You’re wrong on both counts.

Resist We Much on June 10, 2013 at 11:14 PM

WELL Ed said it HERE in the Green Room a few days ago:

EVerything Obama is doing is just like what was done by mmmBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!

williamg on June 10, 2013 at 11:14 PM

That old familiar stench. Can’t say that I have missed that.

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 11:13 PM


Here
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arnold ziffel on June 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM

No he is not, he didn’t support Obama, he supported Ron Paul. He is a patriot, not a traitor. The traitors are the ones who’ve been systematically violating fundamental American principles and violating our rights.

FloatingRock on June 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM

I wish I could do as much for my country as Snowden has done although I am glad that not nearly as many people are calling for my head.

VorDaj on June 10, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Oh, Axie, baby! Look what momma’s got for ya…

The Creeping Surveillance State And Its Assault On Civil Liberties

Snort.

Resist We Much on June 10, 2013 at 11:01 PM

girls like you are the bane of boys like me. I walk in shining like a star, Michael goes to war, slaying with righteous glee, you half close your eyes and look at me funny, and next thing i know, i’m asking God to please spare your creepy kingdom and vowing to spend a hundred thousand years “containing” in exchange, or even taking your place on the block.

eveel.

evvveeeeeel.

blue eyed, red-lipped evvveeeeeel.

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-creeping-surveillance-state-and.html

Axe on June 10, 2013 at 11:16 PM

our philosopher kings ignore the idea of social mobility
they say, “you can only do what our corrupt institutions allow you”

because to err means there’s a standard greater

derit on June 10, 2013 at 11:16 PM

I haven’t decided how to label Snowden but the pols are going to beat his azs into the ground in an attempt to cover their own culpability in all of this.
Bishop on June 10, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Haven’t decided yet, eh? Worried about losing your cred on here by saying the “wrong” thing?

Let me help you out: SNOWDEN IS A TRAITOR WHO HAS INCREASED THE POSSIBILITY OF FUTURE TERRORIST ATTACKS SUCCEEDING.

I’m not afraid to say it. Hope I helped clear things up.

bluegill on June 10, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Shame on all of you holding up these men as saintly heroes!

bluegill on June 10, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Shame on you, you quisling filth. I will look on with great schadenfreude when the government decides to harass you for whatever reason. Enjoy your bugged internet, your tapped cell phone, and those wonderful TSA agents who can’t wait to get their hands on you. I could talk about them coming to take your guns, but you’re such a spineless worm, I’m sure you’ll revert back to “hurrrrr Tea Party extremists are so paranoid”. Christ, even goddamned Piers Morgan came around after the IRS thing broke.

I guess your hatred of Palin must really sustain your Scarborough-esque statist fealty.

MadisonConservative on June 10, 2013 at 11:17 PM

I am very concerned about preventing terrorist attacks, and I want the NSA to have every tool available to help do so. What Snowden did was increase the probability of future terrorist attacks succeeding. This is what many of you are cheering.

bluegill on June 10, 2013 at 11:12 PM

You’ve been reasonably quiet lately. Just back from the road trip from hell with your poor boyfriend?

arnold ziffel on June 10, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Oh, and Ed is still a goddamned tool for making an entire blog post out of the fact

MadisonConservative on June 10, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Naaaaaaaw – YA DON’T SAAAAAY?!!!

williamg on June 10, 2013 at 11:17 PM

I am very concerned about preventing terrorist attacks, and I want the NSA to have every tool available to help do so. What Snowden did was increase the probability of future terrorist attacks succeeding. This is what many of you are cheering.

bluegill on June 10, 2013 at 11:12 PM

You still haven’t given the NSA your Tel# and e-mail address have you.

RickB on June 10, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Here.

arnold ziffel on June 10, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Lol! Hows my favorite little piggy been?

Bmore on June 10, 2013 at 11:17 PM

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