Audio: IRS agent tells pro-life group, “Keep your faith to yourself.”

posted at 10:01 pm on June 10, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

A pro-life legal group, Alliance Defending Freedom, released audio today of a 2012 phone call between an IRS agent and the head of a Texas pregnancy counseling group. During the phone call, IRS agent Sherry Wan is heard lecturing Ania Joseph about how she can’t have a tax exemption and also push her religious beliefs— a bit of advice that would be quite interesting to every church in America.

Via The Blaze, here’s part of the exchange. The group in question, Pro-Life Revolution, waited more than two years for its tax exemption:

Wan lectured Joseph on the group’s mission and told the pro-life leader that she needs to “know [her] boundaries.”

“You cannot force your religion or force your beliefs on somebody else,” Wan told Joseph in a nearly 10-minute phone conversation.

“I just have a question, Sherry,” Joseph interjected. “Is handing a brochure to somebody forcing somebody to do something they don’t want to do?”

Wan explained her position.

“You convince them. But when you take a lot of action, [unintelligible] other people. For example, when you, you know, go to, you know, the abortion clinic, and you found them [unintelligible], we don’t want, you know, to come against them,” the agent said.

“You can’t take all kinds of confrontation activities and also put something on a website and ask people to take action against the abortion clinic. That’s not, that’s not really educational.”

The whole transcript is here.

Update: Just a thought. I’m glad Joseph already has legal counsel, for when the government tries to go after her for unlawfully taping a conversation that makes them look bad. I’m pretty sure that’s a statute, right?

Update: To clarify on the legality question, an Alliance Defending Freedom representative informs me, the recording is completely legal, “in Texas (her location), in Ohio (the IRS office location), and for federal purposes (contact with an IRS agent being a federal thing) recording of a call in this manner requires one-party consent.”

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oh, so only certain types of speech and assembly are accepted, and other types are not allowed? amazing, it’s like the first amendment has been erased out of the constitution. the first amendment is crucial- it’s a foundation of this country. if it is ignored, our country will suffer greatly and change dramatically.

Self-government and Constitutional Republic and the Social Compact are all passe, Scientific Population Management is the thing today!

It doesn’t matter that the freedom of speech and press (pamphlets) and assembly are protected in the Constitution, they can still be eclipsed by the Expert class’ buy-in to the “emanations and penumbrae” of the innumerable rights of the American citizen, which somehow doesn’t include assured access to express rights.

Axeman on June 11, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Axeman on June 11, 2013 at 3:28 PM

But does include a woman’s right not to have somebody in her way when she walks into an abortion clinic by a racketeer! (RICO laws were referenced for the right not to have somebody cross your path on the way into an abortion clinic.)

Axeman on June 11, 2013 at 3:31 PM

And where might we find Ms. Wan? Regardless, Ms. Wan has now become the newest entry in The Big Book of Progressives. We will proceed with discretion here as there is only one S. Wan in Texas however there is one in Sherry Wan in Liberty Township, OH. Mmmm.

Sherry Wan? You now need to stand tall before the man (American Citizens) and explain yourself. Oh yes, you dam well do Madam.

Tangerinesong on June 11, 2013 at 8:18 PM