Will voters punish Democrats for government snooping?

posted at 12:31 pm on June 9, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

We’ve had a solid couple of weeks for the collective outrage over government snooping and partisan trickery to sink in and begin to percolate through the American consciousness. But as has happened too many times over the decades I’ve been following Beltway Bandits, I have to wonder exactly how this is playing out at kitchen tables around the country. Sure, the people who report on it or write about it for a living, as well as the many people who read and listen to such sources obsessively, are up in arms. I’ve been seeing it at both liberal and conservative outlets. But the reality is that we make up only a tiny, miniscule fraction of the population – particularly in a non election year. What about everyone else? Are they watching? Do they care?

Rick Moran checks into a few recent surveys on just this topic and the news doesn’t look encouraging.

Put aside the civil-liberties argument with regard to the NSA surveillance programs and look at the political fallout that these revelations might mean. Are the voters angry about the government keeping track of their phone calls and internet communications?

Surprisingly, according to two respected polling outfits, the answer is no.

He’s referring to a summary provided by Politico of a couple recent polls which seem to indicate that even those Americans who are paying attention are still willing to make some sacrifices in the name of security.

“The outrage is coming from the people who write, but not the people who vote,” said Democratic pollster Jefrey Pollock, president of Global Strategy Group, adding that the type of surveillance revealed this week is seen as “a necessary evil.”

“People are willing to kind of bite the bullet a little bit if it helps stop terrorist attacks,” said Republican pollster Ed Goeas of the Tarrance Group…

Republican elder statesman Charlie Black complained about conservatives who defended the practice under Bush, now trashing it under Obama. He said radio host Mark Levin would normally push to go after the terrorists but he caught him decrying it as Big Brother on the drive home from work Thursday.

Black, a confidante of Senate hawks like John McCain and Lindsey Graham, said the re-authorization of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act last year empowered the government to do exactly this sort of surveillance. He wishes the government could be more candid about plots that have been thwarted.

“My guess is, a week or two from now, it’s not going to be a hot issue with the public but I don’t know that for sure,” he said.

While perhaps depressing, this doesn’t come as a complete surprise. For an anecdotal example, I’ve been doing some business travel recently in the South and talking to some great guys who are definitely conservative in nature. One of them has been very outgoing in talking to me about gun control laws, a topic he was definitely following. This week, I broached the subject at hand, saying, “So, how about that NSA thing, huh?”

Almost without missing a beat he said, “That was over before it started, man. Ain’t nobody going to stop LeBron.”

I died a little inside.


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But sooner or later, these low-information folk are going to have to wake up and see what is happening to this country and to the freedoms they claim they hold dear.

pilamaye on June 9, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Or slide willingly, peacefully, contentedly into slavery.

Solaratov on June 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM

People are outraged. No one is rolling over on this. So Jazz associates with spineless jellyfish. So what.

John the Libertarian on June 9, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Indeed.

Myron Falwell on June 9, 2013 at 2:39 PM

It’s too damn early to know for crissakes.

Most people are still trying to wrap their heads around it.

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Probably already happened.

How else did people suddenly get friendly e-mails from OFA & Il Duce?

Local elections are ceasing to be local concerns…and the demography is shifting in ways not seen since the Great Depression.

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 2:27 PM

I believe it.
I was pretending to be naive for the sake of the argument.
I assume the agents that store and query the phone and email data are beholden to a political boss. That’s how you get a good gov job in washington(and Chicago). That’s why the IRS targeted conservatives. I’m sure that the NSA agents are just as down the middle and fair as Schuleman and Lerner.

BoxHead1 on June 9, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Am I the only person in the continental United States who has absolutely no idea WTF you’re talking about?

cheers

eon

eon on June 9, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Nah. There’s at least two of us.

Solaratov on June 9, 2013 at 2:44 PM

But sooner or later, these low-information folk are going to have to wake up and see what is happening to this country and to the freedoms they claim they hold dear.

pilamaye on June 9, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Or slide willingly, peacefully, contentedly into slavery.

Solaratov on June 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM

We’ll have to see.

Serfdom is not anymore compatible with the american psyche then theocracy is.

While personality cults attract the weaker thinkers in our culture…they don’t last too long.

On average about 30-40 years before the truth comes out.

The Democrats are all about personality cults…GOP can be vulnerable to it too because it’s human nature.

All Idols have feet of clay.

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM

It’s too damn early to know for crissakes.

Most people are still trying to wrap their heads around it.

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 2:41 PM

I actually agree with you. Was trying to show that Jazz’s ridiculously pessimistic POV on this is nothing new. If anything, expect the opposite of what he says.

Myron Falwell on June 9, 2013 at 2:48 PM

But sooner or later, these low-information folk hopelessly brainwashed Socialists are going to have to wake up and see what is happening to this country and to the freedoms they claim they hold dear.

pilamaye on June 9, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Fixed. There is no such thing as a “low-information voter.” They know full well what they believe.

Myron Falwell on June 9, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Probably already happened.

How else did people suddenly get friendly e-mails from OFA & Il Duce?

Local elections are ceasing to be local concerns…and the demography is shifting in ways not seen since the Great Depression.

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 2:27 PM

I believe it.
I was pretending to be naive for the sake of the argument.
I assume the agents that store and query the phone and email data are beholden to a political boss. That’s how you get a good gov job in washington(and Chicago). That’s why the IRS targeted conservatives. I’m sure that the NSA agents are just as down the middle and fair as Schuleman and Lerner.

BoxHead1 on June 9, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Fastest growing employment sector is Big Government.

Cause the Fastest Growing Demographic is Government Assistance.

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 2:52 PM

I actually agree with you. Was trying to show that Jazz’s ridiculously pessimistic POV on this is nothing new. If anything, expect the opposite of what he says.

Myron Falwell on June 9, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Meant more or less as a confirmation of your commentary…but hey sometimes I’m clumsy.

scuse’

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 2:54 PM

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 2:54 PM

It’s all good. Think nothing of it. ;)

Myron Falwell on June 9, 2013 at 2:58 PM

The NSA stuff is a DIVERSION.

At the bottom of it is the debate over security – a necessary one, and there must be some oversight, but it merely takes attention away from the scandals which are malfeasance by Obama: IRS, EPS, Sebelius, AP/Rosen, Holder.

There will be plenty of time to discuss NSA and PRIZM later. DO NOT LET THEM CHANGE THE SUBJECT!

Adjoran on June 9, 2013 at 2:59 PM

The NSA stuff is a DIVERSION.

At the bottom of it is the debate over security – a necessary one, and there must be some oversight, but it merely takes attention away from the scandals which are malfeasance by Obama: IRS, EPS, Sebelius, AP/Rosen, Holder.

There will be plenty of time to discuss NSA and PRIZM later. DO NOT LET THEM CHANGE THE SUBJECT!

Adjoran on June 9, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Bottom line this is a coup.

Transformation Indeed.

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM

“The individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US political history is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Snowden has been working at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell.

The Guardian, after several days of interviews, is revealing his identity at his request. From the moment he decided to disclose numerous top-secret documents to the public, he was determined not to opt for the protection of anonymity. “I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong,” he said…”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

video interview link:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-interview-video

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Adjoran on June 9, 2013 at 2:59 PM

I respectfully disagree. We just crossed a very thick and bold line with a exclamation point and a .gif stop light flashing at the end.

The government is spying on EVERYONE and has access to most of our communications. This is BRAND NEW. If this is fine and dandy then Kafka’s parodies of byzantine bureaucracy would be humorless, Orrwell’s 1984 would be a boring and absurd read, the matrix would have no villains and The Dark NIght would have continued to use the cell phone snooping tech instead of destroying it.

This is BIG DEAL.

BoxHead1 on June 9, 2013 at 3:17 PM

There will be plenty of time to discuss NSA and PRIZM later. DO NOT LET THEM CHANGE THE SUBJECT!

Adjoran on June 9, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Kinda hard to strategize a congressional investigation when those you are investigating are reading your correspondence now isn’t it?

DOJ,NSA etc. are “buggin’” congress.

But Obama knows nothing about it & Holder will investigate himself…so move along people.

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 3:25 PM

The welfare class will vote Democrat no matter what. And Obama is working hard to get more and more people on welfare.

We need a law that suspends voting rights while on welfare. People should not be allowed to vote their way into other people’s pocket.

Axion on June 9, 2013 at 3:26 PM

The General population will sit up and take notice once the revolution begins. Our Nation has been educated by the same forces were seeing today in the IRS, et al., and the Republican Establishment allowed these forces to dictate our Nations educational curriculum for half a century, what did we think would happen? My quota of patience is up. Look where we allowed the Republican Establishment to take us? Look around people. Look where we are now? As the Establishment continues to think they have earned the right to continue making demands on us? It’s over. Unfortunately this Nation IMO will not take notice until pain is involved where I say to those who chose to be unaware, it’s unfortunate but not my problem. If they don’t choose to take the time to educate themselves then we unfortunately will. One can go through life completely ignorant but when that ignorance begins to effect my life and that of my family then stringent measures are needed IMO.

Tangerinesong on June 9, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Not as long as democrats continue to enable their lazy asses to not work.

The Notorious G.O.P on June 9, 2013 at 3:28 PM

BoxHead1 on June 9, 2013 at 3:17 PM

To the NSA – sorry bout the grammer. “would be” should be “are”. I’m a #s guy so… Anyway, I’m sorry to cause you extra work.

BoxHead1 on June 9, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Will voters punish Democrats for government snooping?

Maybe a little at the margins but thats it: The GOP will pick up a nice handful of House seats next year and a GOP takeover of the Senate stills seems like a tossup at best.

Obama will be no more or less popular when he leaves office than he is today, and the country is as likely as not to elect another government uber alles hard core lefty as Potus in 2016.

This imo is especially true/likely if the GOP nominee is a) another establishment squish scared to death of negative headlines in the WaPo or NYT and barely shines above a primary stocked with third tier, judgmental, tone deaf social con nutters b) a unqualified, under-experienced Fab Frosh such as Rand Paul, Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio.

All three of those dudes are solid young bucks who should be kept in mind for future high office, but none are qualified to run for or serve as potus yet.

So will voters “punish” Democrats in 2014 on account of govt snooping and Scandalmania? Prolly not much.

If there is any punishing to be done, I think its more likely to be noticeable at the state level, which is where the GOP’s electoral wheelhouse seems to be these days, in state legislatures and Governor’s offices.

Sacramento on June 9, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Cohn said the foundation has not yet received nonprofit status from the IRS, and so is operating under the sponsorship of the left-leaning nonprofit media group Mother Jones.

Among those who are also working for EFF is Trevor Timm, the press foundation’s executive director.

“I basically have two jobs now,” Timm told ABC News.

“We’ve been involved in the lawsuit against the NSA for their warrantless surveillance program for years now and we just launched the Freedom of the Press Foundation about six months ago given that there was this climate of a crackdown on whistleblowers, and journalism seemed to be under threat,” Timm said. “It just happens to be that two of our board members happen to be central to this story now and we couldn’t be prouder of them.”

Great read, all of it.

Schadenfreude on June 9, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Today

Schadenfreude on June 9, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I’m hopeful that a few thoughtful young people will turn on this news.

Not so hopeful about OUR side, though. The day this broke, there were a few Hot Airians here asking for their accounts to be deleted. “Not wanting to take any chances” and “better to go along and get along”, that type of thing.

If that’s the thinking of conservatives, even BEFORE things get dicey–America IS doomed.

Grace_is_sufficient on June 9, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Will voters punish Democrats for government snooping?

The Fourth Amendment be damned. LIV’s will continue to vote for those that keep the free cookies in the cookie jar stocked up.

jrgdds on June 9, 2013 at 4:36 PM

The NSA stuff is a DIVERSION.

At the bottom of it is the debate over security – a necessary one, and there must be some oversight, but it merely takes attention away from the scandals which are malfeasance by Obama: IRS, EPS, Sebelius, AP/Rosen, Holder.

There will be plenty of time to discuss NSA and PRIZM later. DO NOT LET THEM CHANGE THE SUBJECT!

Adjoran on June 9, 2013 at 2:59 PM

It’s the same subject. All the scandals are symptomatic of the same core problem: the Obama administration’s abuse of power.

AZCoyote on June 9, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Conservatives had thier privacy invaded? I still get my check, right? Oh, ok.

There are only reasons to vote against conservatives.

famous amos on June 9, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Krugman is definitely nuts.

Schadenfreude on June 9, 2013 at 5:00 PM

PSYCHO EX-GIRLFRIEND

John the Libertarian on June 9, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Why would you expect folks who tuned out the election last fall (a conscious effort to disengage, btw) to be paying attention to this stuff?

The rewards of tuning out are far greater than the benefits of tuning in.

Most people who don’t pay attention to the news of the day are happy.

Blissful ignorance has it’s attractions.

And in the culture rewards victim-hood to boot.

From Bark’s perspective, what’s not to like here?

Bruno Strozek on June 9, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Liberals, when they enter the voting booth, will vote Democrat no matter what. Now they may refuse to vote?! That is our only hope.

hpk1942 on June 9, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Most people who don’t pay attention to the news of the day are happy.

Blissful ignorance has it’s attractions.

And in the culture rewards victim-hood to boot.

From Bark’s perspective, what’s not to like here?

Bruno Strozek on June 9, 2013 at 5:06 PM

If ignorance is bliss then tis folly to be wise; a contradition that disproves the premise. The LIV young who voted for Obama are being screwed by the slow recovery and will be severely screwed by Obamacare. The young are not happy. They can’t get jobs nor will they be pleased when those that have employers find the employer dropped their health care coverage. Eventually the pain will draw their attention.2014 will not be kind to Democrats despite what the pessimists in this thread are saying. 2010 was such a landslide that little gains in the house are likely but we will gain in the Senate and hold most of the 2010 governorship gains. The Senate gains could be a game changer.

KW64 on June 9, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Nope. As long as the cornucopia of free benefits keep flowing, the public will vote them back in. Most Americans are crack whores to their Uncle Sam’s bribes. They willing surrender their precious rights of liberty and freedom for empty trinkets

stop2think on June 9, 2013 at 5:49 PM

I died a little inside.

Why? LeBron is pretty good.

WryTrvllr on June 9, 2013 at 6:04 PM

Will voters punish Democrats for government snooping?

…do dogs avoid a fire hydrant…if they have to pee?

KOOLAID2 on June 9, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Lowinfovohos don’t care…sadly

neyney on June 9, 2013 at 6:32 PM

So DNA databases are good. So drones are fun.

So no democrats voted for the Online tax, because, so I am told, it would result in a net reduction in taxes.\

When does the next iThing come out?

WryTrvllr on June 9, 2013 at 6:32 PM

By the way.

If the Singaporese(???) can riot over online rules…., and we let this NSA whistleblower hang…

we deserve this.

WryTrvllr on June 9, 2013 at 6:37 PM

In fact, all things being equal, it’s a damn shame he’s not 35.

WryTrvllr on June 9, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Read zero. Never mind. too bad

WryTrvllr on June 9, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Krugman is definitely nuts.

Schadenfreude on June 9, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Er, your link goes to an ABC News story about a mermaid. Intentional?

Del Dolemonte on June 9, 2013 at 6:51 PM

Why does every government “solution” to a terrorism problem involve mass persecution of innocent citizens???

It is high time we demand more intelligent, effective, and precisely targeted solutions!!! The current situation always hands a victory to terrorists even if their terrorist plot fails!!!

landlines on June 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Will they punish Democrats not bloody likely. These people are idiots, Obama can do no wrong. Forget about this at the polls. Won’t happen.

Jabez01 on June 9, 2013 at 7:09 PM

The low info idiots and the default liberals with their heads buried in the sand will find a way to blame it on Bush and hold the Republicans responsible.

stukinIL4now on June 9, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Are you kidding me? The low information crowd probably hasn’t even heard of the scandals nor cares. As long as their checks are coming in the mail, then Obama and all wearers of (D) is awesome.

Decoski on June 9, 2013 at 8:17 PM

A nice summary of the statist republican opinion.

But as you said there are a lot of other people out there. Low information voters may conflate everything to the Dems loss. The left and the libertarians are outraged and may just become temporary allies. The new libertarian leaning GOPer are conflicted. The wealthy and very powerful, for all their sucking up to Obama, may sense the wind change and realize how this threatens them (see the kerfuffle about Swiss bank accounts, and the US government’s heavy handed lean on the Swiss government and Swiss sovereignty).

Viator on June 9, 2013 at 8:25 PM

A large block of the electorate doesn’t care. They are on food stamps, welfare, SSDI, section 8 housing, etc. They vote based on handout.

alanstern on June 9, 2013 at 8:32 PM

As long as they get the free goodies, the dhimocrapts will forgive politicians for raping their wives and daughters. Different values, ya know. And all values are equal.

Old Country Boy on June 9, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Crazy headline all wrong – should be – ” Will Democrats punish voters for snooping ” – that seems more likely

steveracer on June 9, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Sorry, but it really is a non-issue. The slippery-slope argument not withstanding, does it really affect me if the government knows I called my wife twenty-three times last month? Hardly. And even if I were calling my imaginary girl-friend, I sort of doubt they would be showing up on my doorstep with a warrant. From what I understand, the data collection involved was to identify certain suspicious patterns, patterns of calls that fall outside the normal bell curve of normal behavior. Admittedly, I’m more curious as to what happens to the folks who have made calls OUTSIDE of the norm. Are they subject to investigation? If my neighbor calls the 900 Dominatrix Sex line every night at two in the morning, can he expect a visit from the feds to inquire about his sexual perversions? Sometimes, we can be a little paranoid about privacy issues here in the United States. Don’t get me wrong, I’d be pissed as hell if the Government were listening in to my calls, or recording them, or tracking from WHERE I was making the phone calls. But I’m just one tiny minnow in the sea, not even worth the effort. Let’s get real – Benghazi and the IRS thing are more important.

eyesights on June 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM

eyesights on June 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM

You must not be running for office or organizing against an incumbent president then. Understand now? It might not affect your life directly but it decimates democracy. It gives those that are entrenched in government or a CEO who has friends in places of power quite a nice tool for keeping and improving their position. No one will anymore trust that those with wealth and power acquired it fairly.

BoxHead1 on June 9, 2013 at 9:44 PM

anymore any longer. I’m trying to write right, or righter anyway.

BoxHead1 on June 9, 2013 at 9:50 PM

eyesights on June 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM

I can’t respond to that. I tried. You’re a fool.

WryTrvllr on June 9, 2013 at 10:22 PM

eyesights on June 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM

You’ve learned your lessons well little one. you are nothing. You can’t possibly stand up to the powers that be. Let us handle your problems for you. We have your best interests at heart. just sit back and relax. Don’t rock the boat.

WryTrvllr on June 9, 2013 at 10:40 PM

eyesights on June 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Gubmint has your credit card info…and the capability to freeze or seize your money whenever they want to.

They could even blame it on a nigerian scam/hacker and how would you know exactly?

Of course if you’re doin nothing wrong…well then I guess you have nothing to worry about do you?

But how do you know you’re doin nothing wrong when there’s no real oversight and everything becomes a crime?

Just relax and trust them…I mean it’s not like these people ever went after political opponents is it…oh wait…

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 10:45 PM

But I’m just one tiny minnow in the sea, not even worth the effort. Let’s get real – eyesights on June 9, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Said the minnow before the leviathan…

Americans have lost 55% of their wealth during the reign of the jackass…

Americans are goin on the dole whether they want to or not.

Who do you think you’ll go to if everyone is in on the scheme?

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 10:50 PM

The Guardian, after several days of interviews, is revealing his identity at his request. From the moment he decided to disclose numerous top-secret documents to the public, he was determined not to opt for the protection of anonymity. “I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong,” he said…”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 3:13 PM

RTWT – lots of interesting information about the leaker’s motives.
Note that he admires Ellsworth and Manning.
Plus, he believes in government restraint and constitutional liberties.

Is this the face of a potential political party realignment?

Hard cheese for the Left — they have to cheer the leaker while abominating the effect of his leak on their Prez.

AesopFan on June 10, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Voters didn’t punish Dems for F&F or Benghazi among other scandals prior to the election so why assume they’ll stop voting for free stuff now?

Yakko77 on June 10, 2013 at 12:02 AM

RTWT – lots of interesting information about the leaker’s motives.
Note that he admires Ellsworth and Manning.
Plus, he believes in government restraint and constitutional liberties.

Is this the face of a potential political party realignment?

Hard cheese for the Left — they have to cheer the leaker while abominating the effect of his leak on their Prez.

AesopFan on June 10, 2013 at 12:00 AM

OY!

workingclass artist on June 10, 2013 at 1:25 AM

This is an interesting question, but I would not assume the polls are correct in terms of future voting tendencies. Have you considered that the poll itself was intended to suppress opposition (as being futile)?

Normal Americans have the opportunity to to explain the problem during the campaign. It is this: the government does not protect you. It is afraid of you. This is why it is watching your calls, credit card and internet activity. The intent of all of this surveillance is to maintain power, not for national security.

The facts support this. It’s obvious that the citizen spying systems are not intended to stop Muslim terrorists – and they haven’t. And when Muslim Jihadis attack in broad daylight, the government is inert.

So, given the right campaigners, voters will understand what the Democrats have done. Smart Democrats will realize that this was all a huge mistake.

virgo on June 10, 2013 at 2:29 AM

Will DEM voters punish Democrats for anything?? In a word, NO!

wirebitersmith on June 10, 2013 at 4:10 AM

Yeah, but I won’t be voting republican, that’s the wrong direction.

Green, I guess?

triple on June 10, 2013 at 6:32 AM

wirebitersmith on June 10, 2013 at 4:10 AM

Yeah, but I won’t be voting republican, that’s the wrong direction.

Green, I guess?

triple on June 10, 2013 at 6:32 AM

Green is a dead lane, filled with Marxism and more control freaks than the dems and repubs combined.

itsspideyman on June 10, 2013 at 8:17 AM

How can the low info voter know what’s going on? None of the big 3 networks are carrying any of the scandals on the nightly news

You have to hunt for information and majority do not care or interested in finding out the truth

So, no the scandals will not affect next year…not until the media starts doing their job and I won’t hold my breath

Redford on June 10, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Nope. The GOP has no spine and the DNC voters are already supporting Obama in this because, y’know… Bush.

This is socialism. This is what they want. Because sometimes you have to give up liberty for some security…

Skywise on June 10, 2013 at 8:46 AM

But sooner or later, these low-information folk are going to have to wake up and see what is happening to this country and to the freedoms they claim they hold dear.

pilamaye on June 9, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Or slide willingly, peacefully, contentedly into slavery.

Solaratov on June 9, 2013 at 2:40 PM

We’ll have to see.

Serfdom is not anymore compatible with the american psyche then theocracy is.

While personality cults attract the weaker thinkers in our culture…they don’t last too long.

On average about 30-40 years before the truth comes out.

The Democrats are all about personality cults…GOP can be vulnerable to it too because it’s human nature.

All Idols have feet of clay.

workingclass artist on June 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Problem is, I think, that the ‘American psyche’ isn’t what we think it is, or what it used to be.

We’ve imported – legally and illegally – a lot of people that don’t have it.

We’ve ‘educated’ generations of people away from it.

I dunno, I don’t think ‘it’ is there anymore, honestly.

Midas on June 10, 2013 at 9:34 AM

I doubt that voters will take out our situation on the left simply because the little admitted truth is that the elite GOP and most others on the right agrees with far too much of the moral trash that the left loves, witnessed by the refusal to deal with “social issues” which have brought down our culture our economy, and our freedom, while sending RINOed money men up to protect us against taxation and aggressively ignoring this most valuable of all issues–freedom–without which, little else matters.

Don L on June 10, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Check this out:

Snowden referred to a “grassroots movement” planning to take to the streets on July 4 in defense of the Fourth Amendment. The movement is called “Restore The Fourth Amendment,” and grew out of the Reddit community.

Hey, most of you already are considered extremists by government agencies, I reckon. Let’s leave them no room for doubt.

MadisonConservative on June 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Will voters punish Democrats for government snooping?

 
Yeah, but I won’t be voting republican, that’s the wrong direction.
 
Green, I guess?
 
triple on June 10, 2013 at 6:32 AM

 
Nonsense. There was plenty of evidence of what Obama was definitely doing before the election.
 

ACLU, September 2012:
 
between 2009 and 2011 the combined number of original orders for pen registers and trap and trace devices used to spy on phones increased by 60%, from 23,535 in 2009 to 37,616 in 2011.
 
During that same time period, the number of people whose telephones were the subject of pen register and trap and trace surveillance more than tripled. In fact, more people were subjected to pen register and trap and trace surveillance in the past two years than in the entire previous decade…
 
The number of authorizations the Justice Department received to use these devices on individuals’ email and network data increased 361% between 2009 and 2011.
 
http://tinyurl.com/cbg5jas

 
And yet you willingly voted for the current administration. Meaning you either knew and actively supported their actions with your vote or you were an uninformed voter and just pulled the lever for team (D).
 

Which was it? Low-info or blind partisanship?
 
Or both? There are no other choices, btw.
 
Regardless, you made yours.
 
You chose this administration.

 
You chose these actions with your vote.
 
You encouraged these abuses with your vote.
 
You directly supported these infringements with your vote.
 
We did not.
 
Congratulations.
 

Green, I guess?

 
Nonsense. Let’s assume you were informed about the issues. If so, you had your chance in 2012. If not, it clearly doesn’t matter to you.
 
Again, no other choices.
 
They, and you, know that all they need to do is buy you dinner and you’ll let them stick whatever they want wherever they like.
 
You already told us as much in this thread you let die:
 

I went in for a thumb that was bothering me, it wouldn’t flex. I just messed it up somehow, but it wasn’t broken. Doc took 5 minutes to look at it and put me in a little glove thing.
 
$1200. No care after the fact, no followups, that’s the first visit and only visit.
 
If I broke a limb? Holy crap.
 
PS: Name one hospital that will repair a broken anything for under a grand. Just one! You can’t do it, because they don’t exist, like a lot of the other republican fantasies.
 
triple on February 2, 2013 at 2:19 PM

 
That’s cute that you think a surgical office capable of repairing a complicated fracture is too inept to set up a 48 month payment plan.
 
Your cited $33,565 is almost exactly the cost of a new Chevy Impala, and people buy those every day:
 
Again, why are you suggesting $1200 is devastating and must be paid all at once?
 
rogerb on February 2, 2013 at 4:48 PM

 
$1200.
 
That’s all you cost.

rogerb on June 10, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Punish them? Which ones, the low information ones? Naw they will try to block it out of their minds in order to deal with the problems of cognitive dissonance.

jake49 on June 10, 2013 at 11:12 AM

They should, along with the Demos condoning the IRS targeting, and not taking much action on firing those responsible.

Amazingoly on June 10, 2013 at 12:19 PM

D-Cummings is already declaring ‘Victory’ in the IRS Investigation Hearings, saying ‘we’ have learned all we can learn, HAVE EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL NOW, THERE IS NOTHIG MORE TO DO , AND NOW IT’S TIME TO MOVE ON.

The thousands of guns we had are already in the hands of the Mexican Drug Cartels – we can’t stop the continues murders being committed using the weapons we provided, but we learned from our mistakes, & those reponsible will be kept on in their current jobs becuase they now have valuable knowledge & experience to make sure this doesn’t happen again.

We recognize that entrusting the safety of Americans in Benghazi to AL QAEDA-backed rebels was a bad idea, that we should have either protected Stevens or pulled him out, we should have never abandoned Americans under fire, & lyig about it was bad…lessons leared, time to move on.

Using the IRS…and FBI, EPA, ATF, DHS…against your enemies is a bad thing…got it – won’t happen again.

But in regards to the massive spying on Americans:

Zee Amerikan peoples do not understand zat personal liberties and freedom must be sacrificed for the ‘greater good’.

easyt65 on June 10, 2013 at 12:24 PM

As the Obama administration now defends the Prism program & spying on Americans, it is painfully obvious that Holder & Obama perjured themselves &/or lied to the American people about now knowing about the spying on journalists & now this blossoming spying program. Just like with Nixon’s Watergate, the participation in hiding the scandal should bring about Impeachment of Obama. UNLIKE Nixon, though, Obama’s scndal DWARFS Watergate.

Although he promised his to be the ‘most transparent administration in U.S. history, the continuous daily parade of scandals, abuses of power, violations of the Constitution & laws, & the latest bombshell discovery that in the name of fighting ‘the War On Terror’ – that according to Obama no longer exists – his administration must spy on & keep data on every single law-abiding American citizen.

The only promise he has truly kept has been to fundamentally transform the United States…and he has…and not for the better. Welcome to the Union of Obama Socialist Repblics!

Interesting how Clapper that it is the MEDIA wo is at fault in the Prism story, that if the American people never knew about this program we wouldn’t have a problem.

easyt65 on June 10, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Short answer, Nope. Because they’re just plain stupid.

a5minmajor on June 10, 2013 at 5:37 PM

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