Are Hispanic conservatives mythical beings?

posted at 5:01 pm on June 9, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

The upcoming immigration bill fight has GOP insiders jumping through a lot of hoops these days, and it’s putting new life into the long standing debate over if and how Republicans can make more inroads with Hispanic voters. The two questions easily fit into one box, since it seems to be a given that any opposition to immigration reform will hurt Republicans in that area, and the Gang of 8 is exacerbating the situation. That came even more clear when Kelly Ayotte made the round of the morning shows.

Senator Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire told CBS’s Face the Nation this morning that she supports the Gang of Eight’s immigration bill.

“This is a thoughtful bipartisan solution to a tough problem,” Ayotte said, giving a boost to the legislation. She also defended the bill’s path to legalization, calling it a “tough but fair way for them to earn citizenship.”

But will bending a bit in these particular political winds really benefit the GOP? At The Corner, Heather Mac Donald makes the case that this whole thing is a red herring which won’t gain any ground without completely scrapping the conservative platform.

Karl Rove was back promoting the “Hispanic Republican voter in waiting” meme last week, in order to warn Republicans to watch “what they say” when the Gang of Eight immigration bill came to the Senate floor. This is the meme that refuses to die among Establishment Republicans, no matter how much counterevidence is provided against it. It has already been repeatedly pointed out that if Republicans want to get on the right side of Hispanic political values, they will have to junk their opposition to Obamacare (Hispanic support for Obamacare: 62 percent), big government (Hispanic support for big government: 75 percent), and racial preferences (the Latino Caucus in California is close to its longstanding goal of overturning Proposition 209’s ban on racial preferences in public higher education), as well as their positive view of capitalism (55 percent of Hispanics have a negative view of capitalism, the most of all groups surveyed by the Pew Research Center).

Now we can add a new stumbling block to the post-amnesty Hispanic-Republican embrace: Republican enthusiasm for fracking. In a recent poll, 55 percent of Hispanic voters in California “favored an immediate and outright ban on fracking that could be lifted only by the Legislature — a view shared by only 42 percent of whites,” reports the Los Angeles Times.

First of all, I just have to ask… fracking? When the heck did fracking become a bone to chew along demographic lines? Some days I really just hate to read the news.

But more to the point, are we really now just accepting the traditional Democrat philosophy that Americans can be divided along lines of gender and skin color and boxed off into political pigeon holes? I’ve long been under the impression that the “Hispanic community” – if we can even refer to it as such – was pretty much as diverse as any other and that all politics are still local. (Even in that community.) If you go visit with Hispanic voters in New York City, Miami and San Diego you will find three very different sets of concerns and kitchen table issues, believe me. But the numbers cited by Mac Donald are disconcerting none the less. How did Obamacare, big government and capitalism all wind up on the same side of the net unless you’re standing on the green at a liberal arts college?

But if this data has any validity at all, you’re left with some pretty unpleasant choices. I don’t know what you do about it, but it’s clearly going to have to be on the agenda for the next two cycles at least.


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Bush43 was the most pro-Hispanic and pro-amnesty presidential candidate up to this time and he only managed to get 40% of the vote. You can bet that a good share of the vote came from educated Hispanics, many of whom had families living here for generations.

The majority of the illegals (like 95%) are not educated. They have no feeling for the United States other than it’s a place that provides “free stuff.” Unless the GOP out-promises the Dems, there is no way Republicans will get their votes. And remember, the illegals are just the tip of the iceberg. Once they gain citizenship, they will start sponsoring their relatives via family reunification (and the supposed 11 million will mushroom into 35 -50 million). And, then the next wave will come.

bw222 on June 9, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Illegals can’t vote and any plan Republicans agree to will ensure they they can’t vote for two generations, so this is a discussion of LEGAL Hispanics.

Bush was NOT the most Pro Amnesty President, Reagan was.

Again I ask, do you just want to hand these votes over to Democrats? Do you NOT see that this block of voters are not necessarily Democrats in the way blacks are.

You have to look at this front the viewpoint of Legal Hispanic Americans and the message we send them. We can’t take the bait when as the Left tries to co-opt the movement for legalization.

BTW, getting 40 percent of them means WINNING.

AYNBLAND on June 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

I’ve said many times before, WTF is a Hispanic anyway?

Badger40 on June 9, 2013 at 5:05 PM

‘The U.S. Office of Management and Budget currently defines “Hispanic or Latino” as “a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race”‘

The Notorious G.O.P on June 9, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Again I ask, do you just want to hand these votes over to Democrats?

And this is what is called a strawman.

Do you NOT see that this block of voters are not necessarily Democrats in the way blacks are.

No, they just vote like them. And have since records have been kept,including after a REPUBLICAN president awarded them with amnesty.

You have to look at this front the viewpoint of Legal Hispanic Americans and the message we send them.

The message we should send them is no one should be rewarded for breaking the law,and any group of people who believe they should is a lost cause.

We can’t take the bait when as the Left tries to co-opt the movement for legalization.

And yet, that is exactly what you’re recommending, lol.

BTW, getting 40 percent of them means WINNING.

AYNBLAND

Amnesty means losing. It is national and political suicide. And btw, Romney would have lost with 60% of the Hispanic vote. He would have STILL lost California with nearly 70% of the vote. But thanks for playing.

xblade on June 9, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Hispanics voted for Bush at 40 plus percent clip. Blacks will NEVER vote for a Republican at even close to that.

AYNBLAND on June 9, 2013 at 6:29 PM

If you do a little checking (I just did), you’ll discover that Eisenhower received 39% of the black vote in 1956. But, in 1956 blacks had a much stronger family unit. Lyndon Johnson and the Great Society changed all that. Today blacks have a 71% illegitimacy rate and vote 90% Democratic, looking for free stuff.

The Hispanic illegitimate rate has soared to 53% and probably will continue to climb as more uneducated Hispanics come to the U.S. Just as 39% under Eisenhower was the GOP high water mark with blacks, 40% with Bush 43 will be the high water mark with Hispanics because today’s average Hispanic is far more likely to be looking for free stuff than its 2000 counterpart.

bw222 on June 9, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Illegals can’t vote ….

AYNBLAND on June 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Do you honestly believe that (especially in states that do not require ID)? If you do, you are even more naïve than I believe you are.

bw222 on June 9, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Bush was NOT the most Pro Amnesty President, Reagan was.

AYNBLAND on June 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Reagan regretted his decision.

Schadenfreude on June 9, 2013 at 7:28 PM

The Irish and the Italians of the turn of the 20th century immigration kept their ethnicity but strove, and were proud, to become Americans. They eventually identified with both parties. The 30 million hispanic immigrants over the past 25 years have resisted assimiliation to a degree that NO other immigrant population to the United States has ever done. In this respect they are equivalent to the Moslems of Europe. They offer to the society what abilities they have, but alter the society to a much greater degree than the society alters them. This is a catastrophe for the United States, because politically the inheritance of the Hispanic race, as the name implies, is Hapsburg imperial rule. Yes, hundreds of years later, the difference between the French, Spanish and English colonists still determines if the nation is a failure of a success. I’m not afraid to be called the r-word. The alteration of our political economy from the rule of law to rule by fiat, from the Manga Carta to the Hapsburg emperors, is a disaster for my kids.

Ted Torgerson on June 9, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Letting what is being talked abut now through as ‘reform’ will doom the GOP to defeat. amnestied Mexicans won’t vote for Republicans and the base will abandon the party if they do this.

catmman on June 9, 2013 at 7:32 PM

I am a Conservative Hispanic…

we really do exist!

Snowblind on June 9, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Im a single issue voter now. If Republicans cant hold the line on amnesty, theyre dead to me.

Valkyriepundit on June 9, 2013 at 7:41 PM

‘The U.S. Office of Management and Budget currently defines “Hispanic or Latino” as “a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race”‘

The Notorious G.O.P on June 9, 2013 at 7:08 PM

…regardless of race”‘

Funny how the media plays with words, eh sport?

You make a “white Hispanic” by getting someone to shoot a black teen when you want to keep the hate of whitey up and not have a confrontation between two reliable elements of your voting base.

IlikedAUH2O on June 9, 2013 at 7:45 PM

I am a Conservative Hispanic…

we really do exist!

Snowblind on June 9, 2013 at 7:36 PM

I bet you were never an illegal alien.

As I said a few posts up, as hard as it is to believe today, Eisenhower had 39% of the 1956 black vote. But, just as blacks have changed since 1956, Hispanics also are changing. Those who are about to receive amnesty and those they bring via chain migration are far less likely to be conservatives than Hispanics who came to the U.S. illegally.

bw222 on June 9, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Im a single issue voter now. If Republicans cant hold the line on amnesty, theyre dead to me.

Valkyriepundit on June 9, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Now they are blasting with faxes.

https://www.numbersusa.com/sendfax?id=14857&refer=faxes

IlikedAUH2O on June 9, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Illegals can’t vote ….

AYNBLAND on June 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Dumb, it was reported that thousands of illegals in important counties in Colorado vote in 2012. And that was before the Statists passed same day registration here. Now it will be even easier for them to cast a ballot illegally.

jawkneemusic on June 9, 2013 at 7:49 PM

If illegal Hispanics voted Republican, Democrats would demand they be deported lest our democracy be subverted. Republicans, on the other hand, are idiots. A majority of Hispanics have never voted for a Republican president, in fact it’s not even close, and all the surveys and polls I’ve seen point out the 2nd generation of Hispanics are even more liberal than the 1st. Yet people like Karl Rowe, John McCain, Lindsay Graham keep pushing for this reform.

That kind of retarded thinking is why we lose elections.

Maxpower on June 9, 2013 at 8:00 PM

So much fuss over 16% of the population of which all do not vote. Not even close to it. Talk about the tail wagging the dog. RINO’s just may be a breed dumber than liberals.

I’ve seen the votes that 1986 amnesty brought. No thanks. I’ll choose the rule of law and national sovereignty.

voiceofreason on June 9, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Strategy

A couple of things kill me with this “reform” and the Republican Party efforts.

Ok, guys. So you can’t enforce the present law and deport millions of people. Although I have a leo telling me that you can.

Moving past that…

First, we can’t get DHS to enforce duly enacted, and RECENT prior laws and regulations if they fail to help the Democrat agenda.

So why all the conditions?

It seems to keep these people hanging in a limbo.

People thrust into an underclass vote left.

So we make more poor people to think conservatives and the US is unfair and vote Democratic.

I have begun to believe that the left loves an underclass.

Employment security — for them!

IlikedAUH2O on June 9, 2013 at 8:05 PM

Who cares whether the new enforcement regime will work, you’re amnestying millions of new net Democrat votes. Has anyone taken a look at California lately?

Maxpower on June 9, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Yet people like Karl Rowe, John McCain, Lindsay Graham keep pushing for this reform.

That kind of retarded thinking is why we lose elections.

Maxpower on June 9, 2013 at 8:00 PM

Isn’t it cute how they fiddle with their drafts of legislation?

Boy Scouts.

Those guys don’t understand that we are in a new country.

Like the “Pirates Code” in the film Pirates of the Caribbean, laws today are more like Guidelines, shall we say.

IlikedAUH2O on June 9, 2013 at 8:10 PM

HERE’S HOW CONSERVATIVES CAN WIN THE HISPANIC VOTE

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/05/14/heres-how-conservatives-can-win-the-hispanic-vote/

Eric Erickson’s RedState, ranks New Mexico’s Steve Pearce as one of the most conservative lawmakers in Congress. A 66 year-old Anglo and former air force pilot, Pearce is an across-the-board right winger who takes his views directly to the Hispanics in his district. He’s against tax hikes, ObamaCare, same-sex marriage and abortion. And he doesn’t believe in amnesty for illegals.Yet he wins by landslide margins. In 2010, a big Republican year, he won 55 percent to 46 percent. Just two years later, with the momentum shifting to Obama and the Democrats, Pearce did even better–walloping his opponent 59 percent to 41 percent.

IT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT BEING PRO-AMNESTY AND REWARDING ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR
Setting a dangerous constitutional precedent should never be considered by any lawmaker. Every single Rep. that promotes amnesty is violating the fundamental ideology of the United States and undermines our firm adherence to constitutional law. They are merely demonstrating their willingness to yield to lawbreakers.

lynncgb on June 9, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Who cares whether the new enforcement regime will work, you’re amnestying millions of new net Democrat votes. Has anyone taken a look at California lately?

Maxpower on June 9, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Liberal friends have been telling me for years that they plan to make this country black, brown, female and secular and there is nothing to stop it.

IlikedAUH2O on June 9, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Jazz Shaw is unfamiliar with every study and poll that shows Hispanics are liberals?

And I thought we were the smart ones.

Maxpower on June 9, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Liberal friends have been telling me for years that they plan to make this country black, brown, female and secular and there is nothing to stop it.

IlikedAUH2O on June 9, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Funny how their plans inevitably result in the nation becoming poorer, stupider, unhealthier, and lawless. Oh yeah, and don’t forget to add “sexually liberated” to that list.

MelonCollie on June 9, 2013 at 8:18 PM

IT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT BEING PRO-AMNESTY AND REWARDING ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR
Setting a dangerous constitutional precedent should never be considered by any lawmaker. Every single Rep. that promotes amnesty is violating the fundamental ideology of the United States and undermines our firm adherence to constitutional law. They are merely demonstrating their willingness to yield to lawbreakers.

lynncgb on June 9, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Yea. That is one case.

And most massacres have one survivor. You may have (probably have) the exception that may prove the rule.

They are all gonna vote Republican once it is explained to them!

Right.

The there is this:

I’ve covered New Mexico politics for more than a decade, but had never heard of Kissling or Madrid Erhard before they decided to run. The same is true for Leslie Endean-Singh, the only Democrat thus far to throw her hat in the ring for 2014. In her only previous run for public office, she lost a primary race for magistrate judge.
I’ve never understood why local Democrats have struggled so in finding experienced, well-qualified challengers to take on Pearce. They have allowed him to create an aura of invincibility, and now a perception nationally that if Pearce keeps getting re-electing, his conservative policies must be in line with a majority of Hispanic voters.
Other Republicans in Congress may want to make sure Democrats in their district are as hapless as they have been here before following that example.

Online: Walter Rubel; Las Cruces Sun News.

IlikedAUH2O on June 9, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Funny how their plans inevitably result in the nation becoming poorer, stupider, unhealthier, and lawless. Oh yeah, and don’t forget to add “sexually liberated” to that list.

MelonCollie on June 9, 2013 at 8:18 PM

Yes, but the new citizens are much better off than they would be and the US will be not as much of a threat to the rest of the world.

Over drinks, I actually had one wish me dead and a black female took up for me and white males in US history. With THAT defender, I almost dropped dead!

I also had a black female with little ones slightly freaked at the tons of Latinos in pediatric offices.

Either the Repubs understand demographics is destiny and get very aggressive, if not statist, or it is time to buckle up.

IlikedAUH2O on June 9, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Setting a dangerous constitutional precedent should never be considered by any lawmaker.

lynncgb on June 9, 2013 at 8:12 PM

I thought the Simpson-Mazzoli Act of 1986 (and signed into law by Reagan) set that precedent, so this one wouldn’t be a precedent by any definition, would it. regardless whether he regretted his decision eventually…

jimver on June 9, 2013 at 8:42 PM

A four letter word, YES. [/joebiden]

jukin3 on June 9, 2013 at 9:06 PM

“I’ve never understood why local Democrats have struggled so in finding experienced, well-qualified challengers to take on Pearce”.

IlikedAUH2O on June 9, 2013 at 8:21 PM

In his 5 races, Pearce has had to face some viable candidates as well, they weren’t all “hapless”. Geez, in 2012, I would have thought the only thing Pearce’s opponent needed to do was play a decent elf while Obama was playing Santa, if that’s all that is necessary to win the Hispanic vote.
There’s certainly the possibility that Pearce is doing something different and the GOP shouldn’t discount him as a one off.

lynncgb on June 9, 2013 at 9:21 PM

The majority of the illegals (like 95%) are not educated. They have no feeling for the United States other than it’s a place that provides “free stuff.” Unless the GOP out-promises the Dems, there is no way Republicans will get their votes.\
bw222 on June 9, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Correct. You can tell by the red and green flags at the high schools and the booing of USA. They want citizenship to lock down the freestuff, vote in open borders

Illegals can’t vote and any plan Republicans agree to will ensure they they can’t vote for two generations, so this is a discussion of LEGAL Hispanics.
AYNBLAND on June 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

That is simply not true

Bush was NOT the most Pro Amnesty President, Reagan was. AYNBLAND on June 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

That is absolutely not true. I voted for Reagan, and followed him closely. Missing from all his presentations were speeches asking for amnesty. It was not part of his proposals for America. Bush on the other hand not only beat up the Minutemen, calling them vigilantes for monitoring the border and providing proof of the illegal invasion, he called the illegals ‘good people’ in the same speeches. Bush staged the re election of Arlen Specter, just to get the rat positioned to push the McCain amnesty. And, under Bush, Border patrol programs that were successful in cutting illegals were stomped on by the WH, and some pensions were threatened if the programs continued

Again I ask, do you just want to hand these votes over to Democrats? Do you NOT see that this block of voters are not necessarily Democrats in the way blacks are.AYNBLAND on June 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Not only are the votes going to go Democrat, but once the e verify group gets green cards, there will be a new wave of illegals to satisfy the desire of employers for off the radar workers, and they will follow the jobs

You have to look at this front the viewpoint of Legal Hispanic Americans and the message we send them. We can’t take the bait when as the Left tries to co-opt the movement for movement for legalization. AYNBLAND on June 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Legal Hispanic Americans are being sent no negative message. The left has coopted those who want to be given passes for being illegal because the left has told them that they do not care about the law either. This is not a good citizenship pool

BTW, getting 40 percent of them means WINNING.AYNBLAND on June 9, 2013 at 6:58 PM

BTW, losing 60 percent of them means losing

Bad try. Never waste a login ID. Thought I came upon the Zuckerberg site for a moment

entagor on June 9, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Ayn Rand must really be considered a hoot in RINO country

entagor on June 9, 2013 at 9:39 PM

What repeated amnesties really mean is that there is no border, there’s really no such thing as US citizenship, and in fact there’s really no rule of law in the United States anymore. Instead of rule of law, we’ve got ad hoc political schemes that favor particular PC groups.

Archaic ideas about “the good of the nation” are from a bygone era. There is no nation anymore.

Django on June 9, 2013 at 9:52 PM

First of all, there are a lot of Hispanic Conservatives. They are the people who come here from Mexico looking for work. The problem is, if the don’t find work, they run into liberals who, rather than tell them to go back to Mexico, make them illegal and get them benefits, then they become Democrats,

In a fair world, we would be yelling at Mexico to provide a climate that provides their citizens with jobs. Instead, we allow the Mexican government to provide jobs only through graft and illegal means, which means there are few jobs there, and keep the political pressure off of them by providing the unemployed an outlet for jobs in the U.S. If we sent all their unemployed back to Mexico, they would either have a revolution, or a resolution.

bflat879 on June 9, 2013 at 9:57 PM

lynncgb on June 9, 2013 at 8:12 PM

IlikedAUH2O on June 9, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Steve Pearce keeps winning here in Southern Mew Mexico (Yes, we are overwhelming Conservative, although that is being diluted by refugees from leftwing states and Illegal aliens who get to vote IN NM, Thanks to Bill Richardson) Because he is a good man, an honest man (rare for one who has been sent to D.C. so often) and reflects the values of the vast majority of his conservative constituents.

He isn’t flamboyant or a great inspiring speaker, otherwise he would be more well known. But when he does speak directly to people, they know him for someone who wants the best for them, their children and grandchildren.

Would that the more skilled orators of the GOP were more like him.

LegendHasIt on June 9, 2013 at 10:00 PM

I thought the Simpson-Mazzoli Act of 1986 (and signed into law by Reagan) set that precedent, so this one wouldn’t be a precedent by any definition, would it. regardless whether he regretted his decision eventually…

jimver on June 9, 2013 at 8:42 PM

In a general sense, but the Senate Bill right now has alot more complexity to it. I think this 844 page monstrosity counts as the most extensive overhaul of the immigration system we’ve ever witnessed….complete with 400+ exemptions, exceptions, waivers, determinations and grants of discretion. This is more like Simpson-Mazzoli on steroids especially when you consider the scope, scale and cost to the country as a whole.

lynncgb on June 9, 2013 at 10:04 PM

My wife and I are Hispanic and Conservative. Above all else we are Americans, born and raised here. Even with all the problems this country is facing it is still the best damn country on the planet. We believe in hard work and taking care of ourselves.

Before someone thinks we had it made, we had to work for it. Our parents wanted us to at least graduate from High School. I have Military technical training and two years of college, my wife has a BSN.

The problem with many people of Mexican descent is that they are kept ignorant by both Hispanic and Democrat leaders in this country. It is meant to be this way as it is in Mexico so they will be dependent on the government.

Many do not want to learn English and yell racism when they are criticized for not doing so. Many talk of La Raza and how the Mexican culture is superior to that of American culture.

My wife and I are against amnesty as it will only make the current problem worse. Passing new laws will not help since they do not enforce the laws that were passed in 1986.

If the GOP wants to chase us away voting for amnesty will do it.

banzaibob on June 9, 2013 at 10:04 PM

Illegals can’t vote ….

AYNBLAND

And they can’t get welfare or food stamps or medicaid either.

xblade on June 9, 2013 at 10:38 PM

If the GOP wants to chase us away voting for amnesty will do it.

banzaibob

And you two won’t be the only ones. Not only will they not gain any new votes, they will lose votes they already have.

xblade on June 9, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Would that the more skilled orators of the GOP were more like him.

LegendHasIt on June 9, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Hmmm. That is your opinion. Welcome to it.

Maybe you are right.

I doubt it.

IlikedAUH2O on June 9, 2013 at 11:09 PM

jon1979 on June 9, 2013 at 5:11 PM

I think we live in nearby counties.
MY county went to Mitt by a decent margin…despite being home to a large university.
During the election, I mentioned to a Mexican-born co-worker that I intended to vote for Mitt. His response was, ‘Why? He only cares about the rich’. None of the ‘Hispanics’ in my department were for Mitt. Not one.

annoyinglittletwerp on June 9, 2013 at 11:26 PM

We are being asks to support this by both party’s even though this will destroy our Country. But, thats the objective, the legal destruction of the Constitution.

jjnco73 on June 9, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Foolish. The GOP is digging America’s grave.

El_Terrible on June 9, 2013 at 11:46 PM

If your identity is based on being Hispanic, then you’re a jerk.

/No further explanation. Use your mind.

Paul-Cincy on June 9, 2013 at 5:17 PM

The vast majority of Americans identity is partially based upon their race.

Perhaps it is the upcoming Father’s day, but your comment struck a cord with me and I had to respond… somewhat verbosely.

It is not race, it is culture we identify to that is not purely English/German derived but still very American.

My “Hispanic” roots go back quite a few generations and all are Americans… except my Grandmother who was born while my G-Grandmother was on the other side of the border visiting relatives. Thanks to no documentation of her parents (In the 1910s, it was in a Church ledger that Texas did not recognize because it was a Spanish speaking Church) and anti-Hispanic policies in Texas she had to be naturalized to her own country.

We are generally of North and Central American Indian decent, with European Spanish mixed in… my Grandmother was a dark blonde with green eyes.

We grew up Catholic, we have large families, we are generally from very poor backgrounds but proud and law abiding.

Our Parents and Grandparents remember segregation which provided separate white and black bathrooms, water fountains and restaurants… and the “little brown folk” were not welcome at either.

My Grandfather was the hardest working man I have ever known. Picking crops from age 8 until WWII, and then 35 years painting aircraft for the Navy as civil servant… of which he never missed a day of work. (I secretly contribute this to the fact staying home meant staying home with my Grandmother and my four aunts!)

Then he went on to serve as a Layman at the Diocese and was a 4th degree Knight of Colombus. Rodger Mahoney sent his personal Secretary to his funeral, and presented my Grandmother with a personal letter of thanks and his Knight’s Ring for the service to his Church and Community.

He also stepped in when my father left, and was as close a father as I ever had. I owe a great deal of who I am to his his quietly taught lessons.

Sunday was family gathering day, after Mass. Handmade tortilla’s, perhaps some carne asada or a potted pork my Grandmother made, some tamale’s left over from Christmas, Pinto beans, Spanish rice and assorted other “mexican” side dishes graced the table in place of “American” food like burgers or hotdogs. A mix of Spanish and English floated around as Grampa pitched us slow wiffleballs in the back yard or we played catch with hardball. The background was always the AM radio calling the A’s or Giant’s game.

In other words, it was just like any other hard working big immigrant family… except we were not immigrants. We were Americans of Hispanic decent.

When they died a few years ago, they had 3 daughters (oldest daughter passed away 5 years before that) 14 grandchilden, 40 great grandchildren and a Great-great grandchild on the way.

So yes, pay attention to us, we have more in common with Conservatives than Liberals… but guess who comes to talk to us in our communities?

Don’t think we don’t know the difference. Under the picture of the Savior and the Virgin Mary were two pictures of the mortal men my grandfather admired the most.

Right next to the picture of JFK was a picture of Ronald Reagan… both great Catholic Presidents. But since then I would say they felt the GOP ignored them.

Snowblind on June 9, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Hmmm. That is your opinion. Welcome to it…..
IlikedAUH2O on June 9, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Yeah, because, God Forbid, any in the the GOP elite become honest, and honorable.

The Path to Power lies in dissembling and pandering.

LegendHasIt on June 10, 2013 at 12:03 AM

So yes, pay attention to us, we have more in common with Conservatives than Liberals… but guess who comes to talk to us in our communities?

Snowblind

So you vote against your alleged conservative beliefs because liberals come into your communities and lie to you? Makes sense. Guess I better start supporting everything I disagree with the next time a democrat comes around to talk to me.

xblade on June 10, 2013 at 12:47 AM

These polls of Hispanics are very suspicious. Are they qualified respondents just because they are Hispanic (i.e. Mexican) or are they actually “likely voters”?

If they aren’t voters we don’t care what they think. They are probably Mexicans hoping to make a buck off the Yanqui, and they have no intention of paying tax, buying insurance or voting for those gringo stiffs.

Get real about so-called Hispanics and how they vote.

virgo on June 10, 2013 at 3:03 AM

Yeah, because, God Forbid, any in the the GOP elite become honest, and honorable.

The Path to Power lies in dissembling and pandering.

LegendHasIt on June 10, 2013 at 12:03 AM

Huh? Now you are not even close to making sense.

Is that why the GOP chair was praising and spotlighting your candidate?

If your guy’s formula works it will be copied.

IlikedAUH2O on June 10, 2013 at 6:17 AM

Race only becomes important to people who want to be victims &/or dependent nonproductive drags on society.In America you have the ability to transcend race & class to succeed beyond anything that can be done in another country. But instead the ignorant who only identify with the melanin content of their skin & refuse to join the ranks of the free in favor of slavery. Pathetic. These kinds of people spend their time in the past rather than using their time to procure a future.

Badger40 on June 10, 2013 at 7:04 AM

First of all, I just have to ask… fracking? When the heck did fracking become a bone to chew along demographic lines? Some days I really just hate to read the news.

First of all, if you don’t speak Spanish, you don’t know what the propagandists are feeding them. The Mexican government controls the message on US Spanish-speaking media. Mexico is a huge oil producer and US production competes and drives down the prices of the Mexican oil. It also reduces the Mexico’s economic advantage over the US in terms of cheap energy.

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2013 at 7:36 AM

It’s funny because the establishment Republicans were claiming a few years ago that the reason hispanics weren’t voting for Republicans was because Reagan fought Communism in their countries and they felt sore about that. It is the Marxists who migrate to the US, apparently. Mel Martinez was the RNC chairman at the time he was saying that on Spanish radio.

Buddahpundit on June 10, 2013 at 7:43 AM

But more to the point, are we really now just accepting the traditional Democrat philosophy that Americans can be divided along lines of gender and skin color and boxed off into political pigeon holes? I’ve long been under the impression that the “Hispanic community” – if we can even refer to it as such – was pretty much as diverse as any other and that all politics are still local. (Even in that community.) If you go visit with Hispanic voters in New York City, Miami and San Diego you will find three very different sets of concerns and kitchen table issues, believe me. But the numbers cited by Mac Donald are disconcerting none the less. How did Obamacare, big government and capitalism all wind up on the same side of the net unless you’re standing on the green at a liberal arts college?

I’ve said this a hundred times on multiple sites and in multiple threads, but nobody else seems to ever repeat it- the obvious evidence that Hispanics are not remotely natural conservatives is that Central and South America are almost totally governed/controlled by leftists further left than the DNC. that would not happen if Hispanics, by and large, did not buy into leftism. these far-left gov’ts don’t spring up out of a vacuum.

Taking that into account, we note that almost all Hispanic immigrants come from a culture that believes in leftism, they were born into societies based on leftism and they were taught leftism from birth.

In contrast, where is there any evidence that Hispanics, by and large, are conservative? the only thing that anyone can ever point to is that Hispanics are mostly Catholic. But, Catholicism does not translate into conservatism – look at American Catholics. And, social/religious concerns rarely trump economic philosophy when it comes to voting. Look at black voters. In poll after poll, black voters agree with conservatives on social issues. Yet they never vote that way. Because big-gov’t liberalism always trumps social issues with most voters who believe in leftist big gov’t. that is proven every time – there is almost no evidence of votes going the other way based on social/religious issues.

And yet, despite the two points above, there are actually people who believe that Hispanics are going to vote for the GOP if we just give them amnesty.

Now, I think amnesty is wrong and bad policy for the U.S. regardless of whether there is any political benefit to the GOP (there isn’t). But, the people who support amnesty because of illusory political benefits are complete idiots. There is absolutely no evidence to support their claims and tons of evidence contradicting their claims.

Monkeytoe on June 10, 2013 at 7:58 AM

I see from the photo that dogs are even voting now.

I assume they are liberal dogs.

Sherman1864 on June 10, 2013 at 8:12 AM

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