Video: Dem senator basically calls Obama a liar for claiming that Congress has been briefed on NSA spying

posted at 4:01 pm on June 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

Enjoy as Jeff Merkley leaves a gaping hole in O’s “three branches of oversight” defense from earlier this afternoon. Direct quote:

“When it comes to telephone calls, every member of Congress has been briefed on this program,” Obama said. “With respect to all these programs, the relevant intelligence committees are fully briefed on these programs.”

According to Merkley, he wasn’t briefed on anything. If I understand him correctly, he’s claiming that he knew in vague terms that NSA was sweeping up lots of data but (a) he discovered the breadth of the phone-records data-mining only because he sought out details on that and (b) he had no idea whatsoever about PRISM. (He’s not a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, though.) Why is PRISM, which seems to be far more intrusive than the phone-records program, being hidden from rank-and-file congressmen if the telephone data-mining isn’t? And why wasn’t Merkley briefed even on the phone-records harvesting? It’s hard to sell a “trust your government” argument when senators with civil-liberties concerns are being kept in the dark. Obama lied, NSA spied?

You need to watch to the end of the clip for all of the above but there’s a middle section on an unrelated topic that you can skip through. Oh, and if you feel insufficiently depressed by the last 36 hours, read this. It’ll straighten you right out.

Update: If the last link doesn’t straighten you out, this will. When Carl Levin asked the Pentagon last month for a list of Al Qaeda associates, they promised they’d provide one — with the stipulation that it’ll remain classified. As Doyle McManus notes, the public no longer has a right to know who its enemies are.

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LOL.

When you lose the UltraLib Jeff Merkely, you’ve got problems.

These Senators aren’t going to fall on the sword for Obama.

portlandon on June 7, 2013 at 4:04 PM

the public no longer has a right to know who its enemies are.

Uh, we have a pretty good idea.

Akzed on June 7, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Update: If the last link doesn’t straighten you out, this will. When Carl Levin asked the Pentagon last month for a list of Al Qaeda associates, they promised they’d provide one — with the stipulation that it’ll remain classified. As Doyle McManus notes, the public no longer has a right to know who its enemies are.

Our Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves so fast, they’ll soon bore a hole to China.

Bitter Clinger on June 7, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Just going by the links on this page, it seems possible that Obama has lost Dem Senator Merkley, the NYT, the LAT, & MSNBC…?

They’ve all become racist!

itsnotaboutme on June 7, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Reasonably sure I just heard a backfire .

Lucano on June 7, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Chris Matthews is baffled by opposition to President Obama as he faces a series of scandals, especially because the president has “never done anything wrong in his life.”

“His whole life has been crystal clear, and clean as a whistle, and transparent,” Matthews said on his show earlier this week. “He’s never done anything wrong in his life — legally, ethically, whatever.”

What foreign land is Sen Jeff Merkley live in

J_Crater on June 7, 2013 at 4:09 PM

“The attacks in Benghazi were the result of a YouTube video!”

Seven Percent Solution on June 7, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Hey,The Lightworker has noble intentions.
Shut up.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on June 7, 2013 at 4:10 PM

What foreign land is Sen Jeff Merkley live in

J_Crater on June 7, 2013 at 4:09 PM

The People’s Republic of Portland.

portlandon on June 7, 2013 at 4:12 PM

When Carl Levin asked the Pentagon last month for a list of Al Qaeda associates, they promised they’d provide one — with the stipulation that it’ll remain classified.

Of course. If we saw the list, we’d all know that Barry’s “al Qaeda is decimated” talking point was total bullshyte.

rcpjr on June 7, 2013 at 4:12 PM

He won’t answer his own 3am phone calls but he’ll for sure answer ours!!!

ted c on June 7, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Geez, what a friggin mess this administration (and the previous administration) has made of this country. The whole Washington apparatus is riddled with corruption . . . It is time for the PEOPLE to kick the sons of b*tches to the curb so we can start over.

KickandSwimMom on June 7, 2013 at 4:14 PM

So, what’s Alinsky’s solution to this little problem. I’m not sure its in the play book.

DDay on June 7, 2013 at 4:16 PM

At the Harold Washington Library Center in Chicago, Cedric Hudson, 55, an unemployed machine technician who described himself as a Democrat proud to be from Mr. Obama’s home-state, said he was resigned to these kinds of governmental intrusions.

“It doesn’t bother me because the government is going to do what they’re going to do regardless of what anyone thinks,” he said. “There’s nothing we can do about it.”

It’s a dangerous combination. Being apathetic and a lapdog at the same time. I hope to God that individual doesn’t represent a majority of the electorate.

Doughboy on June 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM

“When it comes to telephone calls, every member of Congress has been briefed on this program,” Obama said. “With respect to all these programs, the relevant intelligence committees are fully briefed on these programs.”

From the reaction from Congressmen I have to believe that the administration is lying or have a very different idea of what fully briefed means. A blurb on a quad chart in the back up slides of a powerpoint presentation that the Congressman can’t keep is not a full briefing.

OFA constantly bragged about their awesome database that was supposedly created at the grassroots level. It was credited with the GOTV efforts by the way it could target supporters by demographics and zip codes. The modeling was compared to what they do for intelligence analysis. It was a big deal when the campaign ended and that database became the centerpoint of the new organization.

I’m beginning to believe that this was a product of the NSA Stasi’s actions. Perhaps a working group within the NSA but it makes a whole lot more sense the data came from these spying efforts than the OFA version of how it came into being.

Happy Nomad on June 7, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Now that we have proven why we should not trust our rogue government, what kind of problems are going to have?…over to you Dear Leader.

d1carter on June 7, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Just this.

alchemist19 on June 7, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Were all those Al Qaeda associates conservatives…?

d1carter on June 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Geez, what a friggin mess this administration (and the previous administration) has made of this country. The whole Washington apparatus is riddled with corruption . . . It is time for the PEOPLE to kick the sons of b*tches to the curb so we can start over.

KickandSwimMom on June 7, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Don’t be mistaken. There are a lot of people out there protecting this idea and once Dear Leader calls his minions (MSM) back to the White House for more brainwashing, watch how the spin turns. Even the most liberal of Liberals will fall into the party line. Heck, Republicans are doing it as we speak.

DDay on June 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM

It’s a dangerous combination. Being apathetic and a lapdog at the same time. I hope to God that individual doesn’t represent a majority of the electorate.

Doughboy on June 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM

I have a feeling he would be expressing his outrageously outrageous outrage if Boooooooosh were the one doing it.

alchemist19 on June 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM

It’s a dangerous combination. Being apathetic and a lapdog at the same time. I hope to God that individual doesn’t represent a majority of the electorate.

Doughboy on June 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Eh. He’s probably already being tracked through his Obamaphone anyway.

Seriously, this is the other part of the crisis of trust I’ve posted about lately. At some point the citizenry is not going to trust their government but be resigned to losing their civil rights. The rat-eared despot is banking on the ability to grind us all into submission.

Happy Nomad on June 7, 2013 at 4:21 PM

So, what’s Alinsky’s solution to this little problem. I’m not sure its in the play book.

DDay on June 7, 2013 at 4:16 PM

I don’t think Alinsky could have imagined the “success” this rat-eared bastard. My guess the race aspect wasn’t factored in. The lazy stupid coward was untouchable for far too long because of the race card and, even now, the criticism is not going to be of the sort that is justified because of race.

Happy Nomad on June 7, 2013 at 4:24 PM

He’s not a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, though.

I don’t think fully briefed would included every member of Congress, only those Congressional members who sit on Intelligence committees.
The entire Congress isn’t briefed on activities of the NSA and CIA.

It was credited with the GOTV efforts by the way it could target supporters by demographics and zip codes. The modeling was compared to what they do for intelligence analysis

.

Watch out for those black helicopters, shooting moonbeams at GOP members to keep them away from the polls.

bayam on June 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

I’m beginning to believe that this was a product of the NSA Stasi’s actions. Perhaps a working group within the NSA but it makes a whole lot more sense the data came from these spying efforts than the OFA version of how it came into being.

That is absolutely shocking – and given the week this admin has had, probably true.

mrsknightley on June 7, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Obama is just a modest Liar and Tyrant, heh.

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 4:28 PM

The charicature of Obama is superb.

Laughing at all the leftists, none more thanthe media in his azz.

YOU incredible Foold of the world!!!

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Fools, intoxicated on his shit. I hope you all suffocate, slowly.

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM

bayam, laughing at you, moron of the world.

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Geez, what a friggin mess this administration (and the previous administration) has made of this country. The whole Washington apparatus is riddled with corruption . . . It is time for the PEOPLE to kick the sons of b*tches to the curb so we can start over.

KickandSwimMom on June 7, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Agreed my friend…

Bush’s greatest failing in introducing these programs, was in failing to consider what they could become in the hands of a Chavez wannabe… he should have considered just how much damage a thug could do given the keys.

Time to abolish the agencies whole and start over.. at least from the mid range supervisors on up.

They have zero credibility in asking for trust after the confession of the IRS to targeting Obama enemies.

mark81150 on June 7, 2013 at 4:30 PM

So is PRISM the reason Eric Holder would not answer the question about Congress being monitored? Every single day for about a month we find out what a tyrant Obama is. So when is someone going to do something about it?

BetseyRoss on June 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM

bayam, and your azzholes, all you’d need to do today

“This is so wrong”, alas.

May you suffocate in your hypocrisy, you ‘elitist, erudite, enlightened, liberal and progressive’ slaves.

May your heads be chopped off, first. I’d laugh.

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM

What a great Friday!!!

Obama’s agenda – unadulterated transparency – police state!!!

The war on terror “is over” as he says. The bad ones won. He helped them, all the way.

Obama won the 2nd election like Putin and Chavez did and is about as legitimate as they are/were.

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 4:33 PM

It’s not just horrific Verizon, whom you should leave, but it’s also too late.

Obama is the head of a police state.

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Watch out for those black helicopters, shooting moonbeams at GOP members to keep them away from the polls.

bayam on June 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Oh.. you mean the IRS denying Tax exempt status to make fund raising much harder?… while greasing the skids for liberal groups?

Your thug party has made voter suppression into an art form as you allow open voting fraud in democrat controlled counties.. you can play stupid all you like.. it doesn’t make Obama’s lame calls for trust any less pathetic..

and you did stay consistent right?

You never ever slammed Bush for these kinds of programs, did you?.. Never hyper ventilated over the NYT’s wiretapping story? Never accused Bush of being a dictator?

somehow, I doubt you were so calm about data mining when Republicans were in control.

mark81150 on June 7, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Watch out for those black helicopters, shooting moonbeams at GOP members to keep them away from the polls.

bayam on June 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Believe if you want that OFA got a extremely sophisticated database from morbidly obese liberal welfare recipients fat fingering voter data into a computer at some OFA office. But using the NSA to mine that database as a product of their spying makes far more sense and you know it. Not that you’d ever even admit the possibility.

Happy Nomad on June 7, 2013 at 4:36 PM

You know Obama was lying from when Clapper lied to Wyden. Why would Wyden ask and why would Clapper lie if every member of Congress was briefed about it.

Zaggs on June 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM

I don’t think fully briefed would included every member of Congress, only those Congressional members who sit on Intelligence committees.
The entire Congress isn’t briefed on activities of the NSA and CIA.

bayam on June 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

So why did Obama say this:

“When it comes to telephone calls, every member of Congress has been briefed on this program,” Obama said.

Bitter Clinger on June 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM

So is PRISM the reason Eric Holder would not answer the question about Congress being monitored? Every single day for about a month we find out what a tyrant Obama is. So when is someone going to do something about it?

BetseyRoss on June 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM

You can bet with almost a certainty.. that certain calls were vaccumed straight into the democrats files.. If they expect us to believe THIS administration didn’t PRISM Romney, and the entire GOP leadership, I got a bridge to sell em.

They already admitted, they intended to “punish” Obama’s enemies..

I’d expect more will come out as whistle blowers step forward, unwilling to fall on their sword for the thug in chief.

mark81150 on June 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM

“When it comes to telephone calls, every member of Congress has been briefed on this program,” Obama said.

I don’t think fully briefed would included every member of Congress, only those Congressional members who sit on Intelligence committees.
The entire Congress isn’t briefed on activities of the NSA and CIA.

bayam on June 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Bayam, per Obama, today, EVERY member of Congress was briefed on the phone issue. EVERY ONE OF THEM.

Jabberwock on June 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM

May you suffocate in your hypocrisy, you ‘elitist, erudite, enlightened, liberal and progressive’ slaves.

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM

Yes and may they suffocate inside the burning house they built.

bazil9 on June 7, 2013 at 4:42 PM

I don’t think fully briefed would included every member of Congress, only those Congressional members who sit on Intelligence committees.
The entire Congress isn’t briefed on activities of the NSA and CIA.

bayam on June 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM
So why did Obama say this:

“When it comes to telephone calls, every member of Congress has been briefed on this program,” Obama said.
Bitter Clinger on June 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM

It’s not really a “every member of Congress/every member of Congress” kind of thing. Oh, there is no “there/there”.
bamay

VegasRick on June 7, 2013 at 4:44 PM

I still think that this goes way deeper than Hussein playing Dicktator. I don’t think he’s smart enough to even participate in any planning and by far he’s too lazy to stay involved in the implementation.

After the amazing amount of information that has come to light over the past several weeks, I don’t think I need the tinfoil cap sitting over there on the counter anymore.

tru2tx on June 7, 2013 at 4:45 PM

So why did Obama say this:

“When it comes to telephone calls, every member of Congress has been briefed on this program,” Obama said.

Bitter Clinger on June 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Why is it that the rat-eared despot knows that every member of Congress has been briefed on the program yet only learned of the Rosen scandal when he read it in the paper? Why is it that he knows every member of Congress was briefed but it took 12 versions of talking points (each one increasingly untrue) before Susan Rice lied her ass off about Benghazi?

Just asking because this selective knowledge thing seems to be tied pretty closely to whatever the narrative of the day happens to be. It is almost as if he is lying to us.

Happy Nomad on June 7, 2013 at 4:46 PM

bayam, and your azzholes, all you’d need to do today

“This is so wrong”, alas.

May you suffocate in your hypocrisy, you ‘elitist, erudite, enlightened, liberal and progressive’ slaves.

May your heads be chopped off, first. I’d laugh.

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM

And upuntil recently I would have tried to stop it, not anymore. I will laugh at them as well and maybe even enjoy it more than I should.

VegasRick on June 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM

After the amazing amount of information that has come to light over the past several weeks, I don’t think I need the tinfoil cap sitting over there on the counter anymore.

tru2tx on June 7, 2013 at 4:45 PM

2 months ago this information wasn’t known.
FF to 2 months from now.
What else do we not know? Just image.

bazil9 on June 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Because lying liars only know lying.

dirtengineer on June 7, 2013 at 4:51 PM

It’s a dangerous combination. Being apathetic and a lapdog at the same time. I hope to God that individual doesn’t represent a majority of the electorate.

Doughboy on June 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Maybe it’s healthier than letting it get your blood pressure up, getting angry, and then… whimpering and doing f*ck all about it – lather/rinse/repeat.

Midas on June 7, 2013 at 4:53 PM

Why is it that the rat-eared despot knows that every member of Congress has been briefed on the program yet only learned of the Rosen scandal when he read it in the paper? Why is it that he knows every member of Congress was briefed but it took 12 versions of talking points (each one increasingly untrue) before Susan Rice lied her ass off about Benghazi?

Just asking because this selective knowledge thing seems to be tied pretty closely to whatever the narrative of the day happens to be. It is almost as if he is lying to us.

Happy Nomad on June 7, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Almost.

Bitter Clinger on June 7, 2013 at 4:55 PM

POTUS says “nobody’s listening to your telephone calls.” No one said the NSA was.

Tapper positively nailed Obama on Twitter:

The chair recognizes the Straw Man from the Great State of Obfuscation

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) June 07, 2013

Resist We Much on June 7, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Martin Bashir is actually fixing his mouth to support Obama on the PRISM program…..

libfreeordie on June 7, 2013 at 4:02 PM

So, PRISM is today’s ‘N-word’?

Does he realise that his constant ridiculous exploitation of racism where none exists is rendering the charge meaningless?

Sheesh, even TNR and The Atlanic’s Conor Friedersdorf have taken him apart on his latest asininity.

Resist We Much on June 7, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Here in La La land (LA) I can hardly wait for the denials and justifications of the limo libs. They will have to wait for MSNBC etc.. to give them their talking points first of course!

LeftCoastRight on June 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Paul Bologna, 21, a student at Northeastern University, said the disclosure had shaken his confidence and decision to vote for Mr. Obama.

I expected a change in domestic surveillance from the Bush administration,” he said. “So this is really disappointing.”

But not surprising. “It’s what I have been expecting,” he said. “We all heard about this six or seven years ago, and now we are finding out the details.”

Hey lunch meat, try to square your circle.
We are so doomed. The fact that a college-educated person can say this, and that the writer could actually include it in his article, just shows how doomed we are. We need to watch out for our own kind from here on out; everyone else be damned. There’s two Americas – time to wake up and realize this.

Hurricanes on June 7, 2013 at 5:14 PM

The root cause here, as always, is our electorate. It’s filled with morons. Only an informed electorate that’s jealous of its liberty will restrain its representatives.

We’re screwed. Let it burn.

OhioCoastie on June 7, 2013 at 5:19 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/seanlawson/2013/06/06/did-intelligence-officials-lie-to-congress-about-nsa-domestic-spying/

In July 2011, Senators Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Mark Udall (D-CO) sent a letter to the NSA asking for answers about its collection of data on American citizens. The NSA’s response read, in part,

You asked whether communications of Americans have been collected… Section 702 of the FAA [FISA Amendments Act] explicitly prohibits the intentional targeting of persons reasonably believed to be located in the United States or United States persons located abroad. The Intelligence Community has put in place a variety of procedures, which have been approved by the FISA Court as required by law, to ensure that only persons reasonably believed to be located outside the United States are targeted and to prevent the intentional acquisition of any communications as to which the sender and all intended recipients are known to be located in the United States.

They specifi8cally told Senators they did NOT collect data on US Citizens in the US…

Not enough? Then lets go again…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QwiUVUJmGjs

On March 12, at a hearing of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Wyden asked Director of National Intelligence James Clapper: “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?” Clapper responded: “No, sir.” When Wyden followed up by asking, “It does not?” Clapper said: “Not wittingly. There are cases where they could, inadvertently perhaps, collect—but not wittingly.”

They’ve explicitly told congress twice (once under oath) that they do NOT collect this information… why does Obama think otherwise?

gekkobear on June 7, 2013 at 5:25 PM

ya don’t say Resist We Much on June 7, 2013 at 5:14 PM
Just leaned of it, um, last week or thereabouts.

I think it’s true as for ‘the last bastion’.
More fully exposed everyday.

mickytx on June 7, 2013 at 5:26 PM


We’re screwed. Let it burn.

OhioCoastie on June 7, 2013 at 5:19 PM

It ain’t over. It has just begun. We are not, though it feels like that eternally.

I’m here to tell ya, as snowballs use gravity, so too this will unravel exponentially.

Even the LIVs are taking note and that’s saying something.

mickytx on June 7, 2013 at 5:32 PM

On my gravestone:

Here lies Grace:
She loved the Lord
And she didn’t vote for Obama

‘Cause that’s all you really need to know about me at this point.

Grace_is_sufficient on June 7, 2013 at 5:34 PM

You aren’t dead yet Crace.

mickytx on June 7, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Grace*

… may be sufficient.

sppeling eorrors…

mickytx on June 7, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Hey! If King Barry and President Jarrett want you to know something, they’ll tell you. Otherwise, get down on your knees and just worship them.

GarandFan on June 7, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Imagine how better our time and energy might be spent if we didn’t have to watch __their__ every move every day. No one is trusted.

mickytx on June 7, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Hurricanes on June 7, 2013 at 5:14 PM

I’m more optimistic. The college kid could be a garden-variety liberal moron. Or he could be undergoing a political epiphany. I had one about fifteen years ago, from liberal to staunch conservative. It happened through the Bill Clinton fiasco. I watched my cohorts (especially the women) rush to defend their man against some pretty low charges. The scales fell off my eyes, and I clearly saw the hypocrisy of liberalism everywhere.

The change happens internally before you can give voice to it. Being able to speak it comes last. There’s no way of knowing where this kid is at this point. But scandalpalooza, and all of Obama’s lies surrounding it, is sure to make a few liberals into non-liberals. Give ‘em some time.

Grace_is_sufficient on June 7, 2013 at 5:40 PM

As Doyle McManus notes, the public no longer has a right to know who its enemies are.

To paraphrase Pogo, the public now realizes that “we have met the enemy and they is us.”

Steve Z on June 7, 2013 at 5:43 PM

“His whole life has been crystal clear, and clean as a whistle, and transparent,” Matthews said on his show earlier this week. “He’s never done anything wrong in his life — legally, ethically, whatever.”

J_Crater on June 7, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Wasn’t Barrack Hussein Obama disbarred, or is that just an urban legend?

If true, would that not indicate doing “SOMETHING” wrong at least once?

Tenwheeler on June 7, 2013 at 5:49 PM

I voted for Bush’s 3rd and 4th terms! Aren’t I bright?

bayam on June 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Edited.

Del Dolemonte on June 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM

I know Hank Johnson isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, but watching the video I don’t believe that both he and DIRNSA knew that DIRNSA was lying through his teeth during the questioning.

munseym on June 7, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Some of us can hear Michael Berry about this time of day.
It’s Friday. Chuck’em a deuce.

Unsure of what I say?
Can’t help ya.

mickytx on June 7, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Umm, Senator Merkley, if security was really going to “trump all” as you said, the U.S. Senate would be working hard to ENFORCE our current laws against ILLEGAL immigration rather than try to figure out how we can grant U.S. Citizenship to millions of people who have entered our county ILLEGALLY.

I see that Senator Merkley (D-OR) is up for re-election in 2014.

Oregon, please send a Senator to Washington who has a better understanding of what it takes to protect our national security than Senator Merkely.

wren on June 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM

I voted for Bush’s 3rd and 4th terms! Aren’t I bright?

bayam on June 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Edited.

Del Dolemonte on June 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Spinach-boy can’t vote, he’s a f’n Canadian troll living in Canada.

slickwillie2001 on June 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM

When asked by the Senate in 2011… the NSA claimed they’d only ever collect data on communications with foreign sources:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/seanlawson/2013/06/06/did-intelligence-officials-lie-to-congress-about-nsa-domestic-spying/

And…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QwiUVUJmGjs

On March 12, at a hearing of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Wyden asked Director of National Intelligence James Clapper: “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?” Clapper responded: “No, sir.” When Wyden followed up by asking, “It does not?” Clapper said: “Not wittingly. There are cases where they could, inadvertently perhaps, collect—but not wittingly.”

So… no, they didn’t tell Congress about this. At least not anywhere I can find. I can however find where they lied to Congress about this, even under Oath.

And Clapper’s defense “I meant e-mail” fails with Greenwald’s expose on PRISM (keeping e-mails):
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/7/a_massive_surveillance_state_glenn_greenwald

So he’s still clearly lying under Oath to Congress; even if he had said e-mails.

Today I’ve got notepad open with those 3 links… they’re getting a lot of use and I had to look them up a couple times.

gekkobear on June 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM

I don’t think fully briefed would included every member of Congress, only those Congressional members who sit on Intelligence committees.
The entire Congress isn’t briefed on activities of the NSA and CIA.
bayam on June 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Read the links in my last post… they lied to the Senate Intelligence Committee, under oath.

But I’m sure lying under oath to Congress and the Senate Intelligence Committee specifically is totally ok now, right?

Heck saying you aren’t doing it probably is Senate Intelligence codewords for “we ARE doing it and we’re going to KEEP doing it”.

Go ahead, pick up those goalposts and get to running; you’ve got to move them a ways to try to defend this now.

gekkobear on June 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Our enemy is East Asia. It has always been East Asia. And you’re holding up 5 fingers.

NTropy on June 8, 2013 at 1:42 AM

Spinach-boy can’t vote, he’s a f’n Canadian troll living in Canada.

slickwillie2001 on June 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Why Drywall wasn’t booted the day he revealed himself as Dudley Do-Wrong the socialist butt-kisser is a mystery to me. We need foreign left-wing input like we need a killer hornet nest in the tree out back.

MelonCollie on June 8, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Watch out for those black helicopters, shooting moonbeams at GOP members to keep them away from the polls.

bayam on June 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

You’ll be singing a different tune when the surveillance apparatus is oriented on you. What an idiot.

zoyclem on June 9, 2013 at 6:06 AM