Report: Internet spying foiled planned ’09 attack on Subway Update: Public documents contradict claims

posted at 8:01 pm on June 7, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

Well, I think I spot a leaker who won’t be getting prosecuted…

A secret U.S. intelligence program to collect emails that is at the heart of an uproar over government surveillance helped foil an Islamist militant plot to bomb the New York City subway system in 2009, U.S. government sources said on Friday.

The sources said Representative Mike Rogers, chairman of the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, was talking about a plot hatched by Najibullah Zazi, an Afghan-born U.S. resident, when he said on Thursday that such surveillance had helped thwart a significant terrorist plot in recent years.

This is, allegedly, the plot Rogers alluded to Thursday.

But, as with all of this, it’s rather unclear exactly which program and powers resulted in this plot being broken up. Other sources sound like they’re saying this program was more targeted and more focused on foreign operatives than the PRISM we’ve heard so much about:

The surveillance program that halted the Zazi plot was one that collected email data on foreign intelligence suspects, a U.S. government source said.

The Washington Post and Britain’s Guardian newspaper on Thursday published top-secret information from inside NSA that described how the agency gathered masses of email data from prominent Internet firms, including Google, Facebook and Apple under the PRISM program. Some of the companies denied that the NSA and FBI had “direct access” to their central servers.

On Friday, CBS News correspondent John Miller, a former U.S. intelligence and FBI official, reported that U.S. authorities had discovered the Zazi plot after running across an email sent to a rarely used al Qaeda address that was associated with a notorious bomb-maker based in Pakistan.

The surveillance program in which feds are watching over foreign intelligence suspects communicating with Pakistani-based bomb-makers would likely pass muster with most Americans, and is more along the lines of what they likely thought was going on. But describing it that way makes it sound much less problematic than the NSA or PRISM programs we’ve been talking about this week. Are we talking two separate programs, here? Or, was the e-mail to a bomb-maker stumbled upon in the giant haystack haul of all of America’s browsing habits? And, if it took trawling all of us, all the time, for God knows how long, was it worth it, and could it have been done less intrusively? Time for that debate, I guess. Glad the White House is so into that.

Glenn Greenwald is taking heart in this announcement, from Eric Holder:

Appearing before a Senate panel, Holder also generally declined comment about a long-running National Security Agency program to collect phone record of millions of U.S. customers of Verizon as part of an anti-terrorist effort, and affirmed he will not prosecute journalists for doing their jobs.

It’s a decent start, but he should probably extend his skepticism of the feds to any promise made by Holder, too. Clarification: I meant “a decent start” from Holder, and I was being facetious in ribbing Greenwald for his lack of skepticism, as he’s famously and pretty consistently skeptical. I think he was tweeting Holder’s promise in that context.

Update: Ben Smith at Buzzfeed takes a closer look back at the Zazi case, and finds this defense lacking.

Defenders of the American government’s online spying program known as “PRISM” claimed Friday that the suddenly controversial secret effort had saved New York City’s subways from a 2009 terrorist plot led by a young Afghan-American, Najibullah Zazi.

But British and American legal documents from 2010 and 2011 contradict that claim, which appears to be the latest in a long line of attempts to defend secret programs by making, at best, misleading claims that they were central to stopping terror plots. While the court documents don’t exclude the possibility that PRISM was somehow employed in the Zazi case, the documents show that old-fashioned police work, not data mining, was the tool that led counterterrorism agents to arrest Zazi. The public documents confirm doubts raised by the blogger Marcy Wheeler and the AP’s Adam Goldman, and call into question a defense of PRISM first floated by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, who suggested that PRISM had stopped a key terror plot.

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It’s also cured my psoriasis…

Kraken on June 7, 2013 at 8:04 PM

My comment from the Headlines version holds (riffing off the fact it was a “rarely used” AQ e-mail address tied to a Pakistani bomb-maker):

Which, under the old way of doing things, would have been the subject of a warrant for monitoring.

That tidbit doesn’t exactly excuse Operation VacuuSuck.

Steve Eggleston on June 7, 2013 at 8:04 PM

It’s lucky that this bomber said the word ‘Tea Party’ over the phone lines, huh?

faraway on June 7, 2013 at 8:07 PM

…yeah sure!

KOOLAID2 on June 7, 2013 at 8:08 PM

“If it saves just one life”….

hillsoftx on June 7, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Credulity strained. To say the least.

traye on June 7, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Winner faraway

cmsinaz on June 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

republicans have been so entranced by scandalmania, they forgot that prism is the kind of program they wholeheartedly support. clearly, no policy or principle is too dear to discard when it comes to opposing the president. but we knew that already.

sesquipedalian on June 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Why should we believe a single thing these people say…they have long lost their benefit of the doubt and are nothing more than con men with power…and we should all be deeply concerned.

Alinsky on June 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Well, then, clearly if we give up more freedoms, there will be more security. Perhaps if a political officer reviewed our emails before they were passed to the recipient, and all phone calls were monitored real time, all terrorism would cease.

tdarrington on June 7, 2013 at 8:15 PM

“U.S. government sources” said it, so it must be true. We all know that “U.S. government sources” would not try to deceive us.

NoNails on June 7, 2013 at 8:15 PM

MKH: Your analysis is apt. To cite a 2009 plot hatched by foreign nationals as a justification for intrusive data trawling of American citizens just doesn’t pass the smell test.

onlineanalyst on June 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Internet spying foiled planned ’09 attack on Subway

Or so they say. They say a lot of things, but who can believe them anymore?

VorDaj on June 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Glenn Greenwald is taking heart in this announcement, from Eric Holder…It’s a decent start, but he should probably extend his skepticism of the feds to any promise made by Holder, too.

Oh, I think he is VERY skeptical…

‘So whatever the Justice Department wants to do, they can beat their chests all they want,” he said. “People like Dianne Feinstein and Saxby Chambliss can have press conferences threatening people for bringing … light to what it is they’re doing, but the only people who are going to be investigated are them. It’s well past time that these threats start to be treated with the contempt that they deserve. That’s certainly how I intend to treat them moving forward, with more investigation and disclosures.”

He also bashed the Obama administration for issuing “threats.”

“The Obama administration has been very aggressive about bullying and threatening anybody who thinks about exposing it or writing it or even doing journalism about it, and it’s well past time that come to an end,” he said.

Greenwald also told CNN’s Jake Tapper that the administration has taken a “warped and distorted” view of the PATRIOT Act, the legislation that authorized certain kinds of surveillance for security reasons in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

“What the Obama administration is doing in interpreting the PATRIOT Act is so warped and distorted and it vests themselves with such extremist surveillance powers over the United States and American citizens that Americans, in their words, would be stunned to learn what the Obama administration is doing,” he said on CNN’s “The Lead.”

Speaking with MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell, Greenwald dared lawmakers to investigate how information about the Verizon phone records leaked, as Feinstein has said should happen.

“Let them go and investigate,” Greenwald said.

He added, “There is this massive surveillance state that the United States government has built up that has extraordinary implications for how we live as human beings on the earth and as Americans in our country, and we have the right to know what it is that that government and that agency is doing. I intend to continue to shine light on that, and Dianne Feinstein can beat her chest all she wants and call for investigations, and none of that is going to stop and none of it is going to change.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/glenn-greenwald-us-privacy-92400.html#ixzz2VYaCI2sL

Resist We Much on June 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM

Nidal Hasan was basically screaming that he was a jihadist, we new he was communicating with that sheik, and nothing was done.

rbj on June 7, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Dangerous

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 8:24 PM

was talking about a plot hatched by Najibullah Zazi, an Afghan-born U.S. resident

You know what else would have stopped this guy from carrying through with a terrorist attack in the U.S.? Not importing his sorry azz here from Afghanistan in the first place!

Instead of creating massive, and unconstitutional, programs to spy on everybody living in the U.S., including millions of innocent American citizens, why don’t we reform our insanely idiotic “immigration” system and stop importing radical Muslims who want to kill us? Wouldn’t that make a lot more sense?

AZCoyote on June 7, 2013 at 8:25 PM

More…

“The N.S.A. is kind of the crown jewel in government secrecy. I expect them to react even more extremely,” Mr. Greenwald said in a telephone interview. He said that he had been advised by lawyer friends that “he should be worried,” but he had decided that “what I am doing is exactly what the Constitution is about and I am not worried about it.”

While Mr. Greenwald notes that he often conducts interviews and breaks news in his columns, he describes himself as an activist and an advocate. But with this leak about the extremely confidential legal apparatus supporting the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, he has lifted the veil on some of the government’s most closely held secrets.

The leak, he said, came from “a reader of mine” who was comfortable working with him. The source, Mr. Greenwald said, “knew the views that I had and had an expectation of how I would display them.”

Read More at NYT: Blogger, With Focus on Surveillance, Is at Center of a Debate

Resist We Much on June 7, 2013 at 8:26 PM

Boston Marathon, Ft. Hood shooting not so much. In fact both of those events came complete with early warnings and tips yet the feral gubnut didn’t or couldn’t do a dang thing.

trs on June 7, 2013 at 8:27 PM

Goody goody gumdrops, but it didn’t stop many others. Can we halt all Muslim immigration now?

txhsmom on June 7, 2013 at 8:31 PM

republicans have been so entranced by scandalmania, they forgot that prism is the kind of program they wholeheartedly support. clearly, no policy or principle is too dear to discard when it comes to opposing the president. but we knew that already.
 
sesquipedalian on June 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

 
He’s an admitted troll,
 

and i’ll still be there to troll y’all.
 
sesquipedalian on January 11, 2013 at 3:57 PM

 
but it’s still neat to see a supporter’s complete avoidance of any criticism of Obama while openly mentioning current PRISM actions by the current administration while criticizing (R)s and the speculated-on support of the president’s actions.
 

clearly, no policy or principle is too dear to discard when it comes to…

 
Ha.

rogerb on June 7, 2013 at 8:32 PM

BTW, speaking of our idiotic “asylum” system, if you want to get your blood boiling (more than it already is), read the idiotic provisions of the current “gang of 8″ amnesty bill. It vastly expands our current idiotic “asylum” program and basically allows any foreign lunatic who wants to live in the U.S. to almost automatically get a visa by claiming “refugee” status, with virtually no proof required.

AZCoyote on June 7, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Nidal Hasan was basically screaming that he was a jihadist, we new he was communicating with that sheik, and nothing was done.

rbj on June 7, 2013 at 8:21 PM

I’ll spare the last word of the Clinton-era crib – It’s the target. Hasan’s target was the Army, Zazi’s was lieberal New York City.

Steve Eggleston on June 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Whatever, and who cares?

It ain’t worth it, knowing that obama is wacking off to our private emails and phones calls. IMPEACH the turdhead NOW!

Pork-Chop on June 7, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Did Mosque spying foil anything? Oh, that’s right spying there would fringe on their rights.

SparkPlug on June 7, 2013 at 8:39 PM

… WHACKING …

Pork-Chop on June 7, 2013 at 8:40 PM

republicans have been so entranced by scandalmania, they forgot that prism is the kind of program they wholeheartedly support. clearly, no policy or principle is too dear to discard when it comes to opposing the president. but we knew that already.

sesquipedalian on June 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Hey, squishy! FU!

VegasRick on June 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM

I don’t think Greenwald has that much to worry about. People leak for a variety of reasons. there is a bipartisan support of PRISM (at least among the non-Paul, Cruz Rs).

They have a decent story line to tell. Most google/facebook users are foreign…they use a 51 percent criterion (how many voters understand that means that up to 49 percent odds that it is a citizen)

nbc is already shaping the story of Holder being the good guy

The Justice Department publicly confirmed to the New York Times in April 2009 that Holder had taken “comprehensive steps” to correct a problem in NSA collection after it “detected issues that raised concerns.” But department officials declined to discuss details about what was described at the time as the “over-collection” of information.

and, finally, Greenwald is a man of the Left, and in Chicago there are no enemies on the Left

r keller on June 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM

The surveillance program that halted the Zazi plot was one that collected email data on foreign intelligence suspects, a U.S. government source said.

The Washington Post and Britain’s Guardian newspaper on Thursday published top-secret information from inside NSA that described how the agency gathered masses of email data from prominent Internet firms, including Google, Facebook and Apple under the PRISM program.

OK, but you don’t stop a specific plot by collecting “email data.” They have to be reading content.

Ronnie on June 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Can the right credibly claim that this is a false report? You spent the Bush years telling us that an attack was imminent. That the Muslims were “everywhere” that they had “infiltrated” that “Sharia Law” was coming. But now its suddenly impossible to imagine a terrorist plot in NYC in 2009? Look either oppose permanent war or not, but acting fresh and brand new on this topic makes you look like massive hypocrites.

libfreeordie on June 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Do you think Obama’s college records are in the NSA database?

tdarrington on June 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM

and, finally, Greenwald is a man of the Left, and in Chicago there are no enemies on the Left

r keller on June 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Bradley Manning is a man of the Left.

Resist We Much on June 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM

republicans leftists have been are so entranced by scandalmania their masters, they forgot forget that prism is the kind of program they were wholeheartedly support against when a Republican was in the White House. clearly, no policy or principle is too dear to discard when it comes to opposing supporting the president. but we knew that already.

sesquipedalian on June 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

By the way, I’m glad you’re here. It means the stench I’m detecting is not my septic tank backing up.

Left Coast Right Mind on June 7, 2013 at 8:59 PM

“We didn’t do anything wrong and we promise never to do it again.”

tommyboy on June 7, 2013 at 9:07 PM

OK, but you don’t stop a specific plot by collecting “email data.” They have to be reading content.

Ronnie on June 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM

When is an aspiring journalist going to ask a salient question of these super duper smarties—-”Glad your info stopped the subway plot but the Russians gave you a pretty good heads up on them nice little Boston Boys and your plethora of agencies dropped the ball. Any comment”?

arnold ziffel on June 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Assurances from anyone in this administration should be taken with a grain of salt.

The only thing Barry and Company are sorry about is that they got caught.

GarandFan on June 7, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Thing is this part:

“reported that U.S. authorities had discovered the Zazi plot after running across an email sent to a rarely used al Qaeda address that was associated with a notorious bomb-maker based in Pakistan”

Makes it seem that they already knew the address of the bomb maker. So why would they have to data mine for the sender? Why not hack into the account and get the sender?

Zaggs on June 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM

BS. I’m calling bullsh*t simply because I’m one of those rednecks who don’t trust government anymore. I don’t trust anything any of them say.

[Holder] affirmed he will not prosecute journalists for doing their jobs.

Oh, thank you, master. We’re so grateful for the State’s benevolence. We’re truly indebted.

Jeezus, what has happened to us?

rrpjr on June 7, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Report: Internet spying foiled planned ’09 attack on Subway

That’s no reason to destroy the Constitution. I’m far more fearful of what government will do in destroying our privacy than I am of terrorism.

We’ve already seen how this administration is willing to use it’s agencies to attack it’s political opponents with the IRS scandal. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to think our private information won’t be used against Republicans and conservatives as well. For that matter, anyone that would dare disagree or call this administration into question will have ObamaBigBrother terrorizing them. This is fascism.

There is no security without rights.

Axion on June 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM

I don’t think people would be so worried if IRS had not happened, or if spying on Fox news reporters had not happened, or if the AP crap had not happened but they did! The American people DO NOT TRUST Obama or his people in charge.
There in lies the problem.
Somebody has to stand up. Somebody has to put these liars in jail.
Something has got to give…..

Delsa on June 7, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Yeah.. and if we broke down all the doors to every home in America and stormed in with SWAT teams… we’d probably stop some other crimes too. But in the end.. we’d just be exchanging one set of terrorists and criminals for a new set of terrorists and criminals.

Hey.. imagine how much corruption we could find if there was real transparency in government. Imagine if all of congress had to give up closed door meetings.

No.. we’re suppose to live in glass houses while the ruling class lives in secret. But who is really a greater threat to our nation? Who could cause more harm if allowed to conduct themselves in complete secrecy? Who has the power to enslave more people, destroy more lives and steal more wealth? Some Joe living in middle America or a Senator and a President?

JellyToast on June 7, 2013 at 9:44 PM

After the last week of revelations, I don’t believe them anymore.

PattyJ on June 7, 2013 at 9:50 PM

and affirmed he will not prosecute journalists for doing their jobs.

Reporting negatively on the Messiah is not part of anyone’s job, and is therefore open to persecution prosecution.

BobMbx on June 7, 2013 at 9:54 PM

If it wasn’t for the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments I bet the cops would solve way more crimes.

myiq2xu on June 7, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Well, I think I spot a leaker who won’t be getting prosecuted…

Dear Leader has no problem leaking and exposing means and methods if it is in his political interest to do so.

farsighted on June 7, 2013 at 10:10 PM

republicans have been so entranced by scandalmania, they forgot that prism is the kind of program they wholeheartedly support. clearly, no policy or principle is too dear to discard when it comes to opposing the president. but we knew that already.

sesquipedalian on June 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

So do you support or oppose this program?

BTW – I’m a Democrat and I opposed this kind of stuff when Bush was POTUS too. Principles before party.

myiq2xu on June 7, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Do we all realize that the U.S. government suspects all of us of being terrorists? Do all of us understand what the 4th amendment is? We need to demand the resignation on any United States representative that supports Prism. They need to be removed from office now.

paulsur on June 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM

republicans have been so entranced by scandalmania, they forgot that prism is the kind of program they wholeheartedly support. clearly, no policy or principle is too dear to discard when it comes to opposing the president. but we knew that already.

sesquipedalian on June 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

And throwing conservatives and the constitution under the bus is just lagniappe.

itsspideyman on June 7, 2013 at 10:26 PM

republicans have been so entranced by scandalmania, they forgot that prism is the kind of program they wholeheartedly support. clearly, no policy or principle is too dear to discard when it comes to opposing the president. but we knew that already.

sesquipedalian on June 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

a real intellectual here….

dmacleo on June 7, 2013 at 10:33 PM

So do you support or oppose this program?

BTW – I’m a Democrat and I opposed this kind of stuff when Bush was POTUS too. Principles before party.

myiq2xu on June 7, 2013 at 10:10 PM

I’m a conservative (notice I didn’t say republican) and also opposed it when bush started it. I knew it would not be constrained as promised.
guess I didn’t scream loud enough as for some reason people assume we all liked it under bush.

dmacleo on June 7, 2013 at 10:35 PM

In 2009 obama was just getting started. This was a hold over from Bush…. Since then as far as I have heard he has “expanded” this program…. That is the scary part…

sandee on June 7, 2013 at 10:43 PM

It’s true.

The NSA spying enabled them to quickly rule out the Amish.

viking01 on June 7, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Just think how many anti-Islam Youtube video makers the NSA can stop with PRISM.

zmdavid on June 7, 2013 at 10:47 PM

While the court documents don’t exclude the possibility that PRISM was somehow employed in the Zazi case, the documents show that old-fashioned police work, not data mining, was the tool that led counterterrorism agents to arrest Zazi.

Fascist statists hardest hit.

Steve Eggleston on June 7, 2013 at 10:50 PM

no policy or principle is too dear to discard…
sesquipedalian on June 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

And what are you discarding to support Obama? Or did you have it to begin with.

No one who supports Barack Obama at this point, with what we know, can call himself a liberal. The charade is over. Obama played you all and most of you still don’t realize it. This man has done more damage to liberalism than we could have done And is it even possible to count all the sold souls?

rrpjr on June 7, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Obama is a Fascist!

Nuff Said

workingclass artist on June 7, 2013 at 11:58 PM

republicans have been so entranced by scandalmania, they forgot that prism is the kind of program they wholeheartedly support. clearly, no policy or principle is too dear to discard when it comes to opposing the president. but we knew that already.

D0uch3 b@g is partially right here. A lot of these objections were defended on the right when they were made against Boooosh. And if you think about it, the one thing that the Zero didn’t want was an attack to take place on American soil during his over-lord-dum which would tend to call into question his managerial skills. Knowing he had the press to cover for him he pretty much had carte blanche to do things the Boooshies wouldn’t even think about when they were fantasizing about waterboarding thousands of turban wearing cab drivers with Ipods. Of course the fact they only waterboarded three people is a lost argument although Booooosh could have addressed it that way. There are plenty of other scandals which one could only imagine arising out of a bunch of totalitarian Ayersian ideologues could think up realizing they were going to be given a free pass by the press. Please stop sounding like the freaking ACLU.

nokarmahere on June 8, 2013 at 12:27 AM

The surveillance program in which feds are watching over foreign intelligence suspects communicating with Pakistani-based bomb-makers would likely pass muster with most Americans, and is more along the lines of what they likely thought was going on. But describing it that way makes it sound much less problematic than the NSA or PRISM programs we’ve been talking about this week. Are we talking two separate programs, here?

The confusion is a feature, not a bug. Obama hopes to make people think he’s using the program as it’s meant to be used, and it’s effective, when he’s actually abusing the program for his own purposes and accomplishing essentially nothing related to national security.

The ambiguity lets him do what he wants, while pretending that he’s doing nothing wrong.

Bush, by comparison, was painfully honest with what he was doing.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 8, 2013 at 12:45 AM

republicans have been so entranced by scandalmania, they forgot that prism is the kind of program they wholeheartedly support. clearly, no policy or principle is too dear to discard when it comes to opposing the president. but we knew that already.

sesquipedalian on June 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Then how is it that the Republican president was far more restrained and circumspect, and it took a Democrat president to vastly expand these programs and target non-foreign non-terrorists under no suspicion?

It’s almost like the claim that it’s Republicans that love intrusive big government is just nonsense. Why, one would almost think the only real the left objected to these (more limited) programs in the Bush administration was because they hated Bush!

Every leftist trying to accuse conservatives of being hypocrites are frauds and hypocrites themselves, engaging in projection.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 8, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Can the right credibly claim that this is a false report? You spent the Bush years telling us that an attack was imminent. That the Muslims were “everywhere” that they had “infiltrated” that “Sharia Law” was coming. But now its suddenly impossible to imagine a terrorist plot in NYC in 2009? Look either oppose permanent war or not, but acting fresh and brand new on this topic makes you look like massive hypocrites.

libfreeordie on June 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Just another leftist hypocrite pretending to be full of principle, but somehow finding much more fault with the man who limited his investigations to foreigners under reasonable suspicion of terrorism, while not caring that his own party’s president vastly expanded the programs and pointed them against people who are not foreigners and not suspected of any terrorism.

The woods are full of ‘em.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 8, 2013 at 1:01 AM

I dunno….that lady with the hat looks pretty suspicious to me.

Hmm…

Right! Let’s read her email!

Sherman1864 on June 8, 2013 at 4:58 AM

Pre-election:
 

Please do not confuse the war mongering Democratic party with the American left. …
 
this is why I voted Green in 2000 and 2004.
 
libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 9:52 PM

 
Post election:
 

Look either oppose permanent war or not, but acting fresh and brand new on this topic makes you look like massive hypocrites.
 
libfreeordie on June 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

rogerb on June 8, 2013 at 6:27 AM

BTW:
 

And scene.
 
libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM

rogerb on June 8, 2013 at 6:39 AM

Do you think Obama’s college records are in the NSA database?

tdarrington on June 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM

I think the best way to keep your personal files out of sight of NSA snoopers is to label them “Obama college transcripts.”

AZCoyote on June 8, 2013 at 9:03 AM

But now its suddenly impossible to imagine a terrorist plot in NYC in 2009?
libfreeordie on June 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Who here is making that argument?

Buy Danish on June 8, 2013 at 10:11 AM

. . . and it’s a surprise we’re victims of lies?

rplat on June 8, 2013 at 10:24 AM

2009 ? My butt . o would still be crowing about
it dressed in tights and a cape .

Lucano on June 8, 2013 at 10:58 AM

sesquipedalian on June 7, 2013 at 8:12 PM

You’re an idiot – but we knew that already.

(You’re a serf and a lickspittle, too – but you’re proud of that.)

Solaratov on June 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

But now its suddenly impossible to imagine a terrorist plot in NYC in 2009?
libfreeordie on June 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM

.
How ironic is “libfreeordie” , as a screen name, now ?

Lets hope it really doesn’t have to come to that……. Da comrade?

FlaMurph on June 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

I hope the bastards had a good time going through all my Spam.

TimBuk3 on June 8, 2013 at 11:17 AM

How ironic is “libfreeordie” , as a screen name, now ?
FlaMurph on June 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

The only word in his moniker he understands is “die.”

rrpjr on June 8, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Even if you admit the limited success here, you can’t justify the vast inefficiency of spying on all Americans to stop one attack. Incompetence at the highest level.

It would be a different story, if Boston and Ft Hood had been stopped this way. It can even be argued that spying on Americans has so distracted the authorities that they could act on clear and present dangers, like those two, preventable massacres. So, the emphasis on these hi-tech mega programs allowed the jihadis to kill Americans without interference.

virgo on June 8, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Scratch a fascist, find a democrat.

Switched for accuracy.

jukin3 on June 8, 2013 at 1:52 PM

remember clinton was not supposed to run, no one else much really wanted the dem nomination because Bush at the time was so strong in the polls.

anyhow chinas rise, the mortgage mess was really increased to dangerous levels under da clintons.

the here and now you all know.

losarkos on June 8, 2013 at 2:53 PM

i mean win not run sorry.

losarkos on June 8, 2013 at 2:54 PM

It’s true.

The NSA spying enabled them to quickly rule out the Amish.

viking01 on June 7, 2013 at 10:44 PM

…and focus on Republicans running for office, Tea Partiers, and anyone who donates money to them!!!

landlines on June 8, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Nidal Hasan was basically screaming that he was a jihadist, we new he was communicating with that sheik, and nothing was done.

rbj on June 7, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Literally! In his PowerPoint slides in meetings with fellow U.S. Army officers! But (praise Allah!)political correctness has emasculated our officer corps and nobody turned him in.

Imagine in WWII an officer offering instruction to fellow officers to see things from the Nazi perspective and to acknowledge that our desire for freedom and independence offended the Nazis and Japanese and was the root cause of the war. That we should be apologizing for our actions…

in_awe on June 9, 2013 at 11:56 AM