Pelosi: I don’t recall ever having said that everybody would have a lower premium under ObamaCare…

posted at 3:21 pm on June 7, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Er… don’t you?

Well, some people don’t have health insurance, and certainly will have their premiums go up, because they don’t have health insurance now so they don’t have any premiums now. But for anyone that that is a challenge there are subsidies in the exchanges, and it’s also about what you get for the money. In other words, people will getting no lifetime or annual limits on their coverage, no discrimination because of preexisting medical condition. It has a whole array of quality that is in the legislation. But, if you don’t have health insurance and you don’t qualify for a subsidy and you’re mandated to have health insurance, yes, you will have an increase. We’re very sensitive to what it means for young people, especially young singles, and there are policies that people can get. I don’t remember saying that everybody in the country would have a lower premium, because everybody in the country doesn’t have health insurance, so how could it be lower. But the fact is, the value of what you get for the cost that you pay is a reduction is a reduction in cost to you. And if you don’t have insurance, you’re going to pay something that you didn’t pay before, but if you can’t afford it, you can have a subsidy… For everybody, it is going to be, again, a liberation, a freedom…

Huh. That’s certainly some convenient political amnesia you have there. Please, allow me to remind you (h/t the Weekly Standard):

That was just last July, by the way. And of course, it hasn’t merely been Nancy Pelosi so shamelessly relentlessly peddling the implication that ObamaCare is going push down the average price of health insurance premiums for all; BuzzFeed reminded us earlier this week of the many public moments in which President Obama himself aggressively argued that the “Affordable” Care Act would lower premiums for everyone, and Peter Suderman had a must-read piece at Reason about the ObamaCare debate we never really had:

But the president and his administration did not talk about it much at all. Rather, the overarching message from the White House, and from the law’s supporters generally, was that Obamacare would cause health insurance premiums to drop.

Let’s go back in time to when President Obama first began to make the case for his health care overhaul. Here’s how he touted his health plan in May 2007, early in his run for office. “If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is the amount of money you will spend on premiums. That will be less.” On the campaign trail in 2008, Obama continued to sell the law as a way to lower health premiums, promising at least 15 times to reduce health premiums for families by $2500 on average. And as Buzzfeed notes, Obama didn’t stop pointing to lower premiums when he made it into the White House in 2009. In May of that year, he told C-SPAN that if health industry groups commit to savings—“we end up saving $2 trillion…a lot of those savings can go back into the pockets of American consumers in the form of lower premiums. That’s what we are driving for.”

From the very beginning, in other words, Obama’s message was not that the law would result in higher premiums, but better coverage. It was that the law would lower premiums, end of story.

Whatever little bit of spin-doctoring Nancy Pelosi is trying to put on her highly selective memory here (“well, duh premium prices are going to rise for people who’ve never had them before” and “sure, you might be paying more, but you’ll be getting better value and quality out of what you pay”) the gist here is that Democrats most definitely propagated the myth that health insurance would be made more “affordable” for everyone, rather than telling the truth about the system’s solvency directly depending on younger and healthier people paying for the heightened risk taken on by insurance companies and absorbing much lower proportion of the benefits.


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Scumhag doesn’t recall “we have to pass it to find out what’s in it” either.

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 3:24 PM

She has turned ugly in the outside too. This apple rots from the inside to the out.

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM

UnF**kingbeliebable.

jawkneemusic on June 7, 2013 at 3:26 PM

LIAR!

workingclass artist on June 7, 2013 at 3:26 PM

She belongs in jail…

PatriotRider on June 7, 2013 at 3:27 PM

To be fair, she’s no spring chicken. She might very well be losing her faculties.

myiq2xu on June 7, 2013 at 3:27 PM

*unf**kingbelievable

jawkneemusic on June 7, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Hey, Nance. There are these things called recording devices. And see, we can capture what you say and even play it back later. You’d think with all the spying your government is doing on its citizens, you’d be familiar with this technology.

Doughboy on June 7, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Is anyone surprised?

“We have to pass it, to find out whats in it”

portlandon on June 7, 2013 at 3:28 PM

I volunteer to close this thread for the obvious humanitarian reason: Let’s not poke sticks at the mentally ill.

Tsar of Earth on June 7, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Now she’s blaming it on Alzheimer…the chutzpah…

jimver on June 7, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I like the part where her parsing amounts to “the people who don’t have health insurance can’t possibly be paying less than zero, right? Right?”

It’s like conversing with the Mad Hatter at an unbirthday party.

The Schaef on June 7, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Someone help refresh her memory.

This woman is more than corrupt, she is insane.

Jabez01 on June 7, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Because it would have had as dismal support if everyone understood their premiums would rise considerably. Obama said my premiums would decrease $2000 a year. Another lie?

trs on June 7, 2013 at 3:30 PM

She knows she’s lying, and that the low-info voters, thanks to the media, will never figure that out.

Jackalope on June 7, 2013 at 3:30 PM

2014 promises to be interesting, from all sides.

This scumhag will not get the hammer.

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 3:30 PM

She’s just a horrible POS.

BallisticBob on June 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Talking to and listening to Pelosi is like talking to and listening to liplessandfry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg

onlineanalyst on June 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I’ve become very desensitized to democrat lies. It’s all they do 24/7.

Lie … deceive … distort

Lie … deceive … distort

Lie … deceive … distort

Lie … deceive … distort

darwin on June 7, 2013 at 3:34 PM

I think it’s scary that people like Pelosi and Obama, and other Democrats have no compunction about telling bald-faced, easily disproved lies, because they know they will never be held to account for them. Pelosi will be re-elected, no matter how many lies she tells. Obama’s approval ratings will barely budge. It just goes on and on.

mbs on June 7, 2013 at 3:34 PM

For everybody, it is going to be, again, a liberation, a freedom…

Maerose, tell it to this former Obamacare supporter…

Actual post from a Prog on Craig’s List:

‘What Obamacare did for me:

I thought it would be great, free health insurance, then I got a job. Boss says 28 hours a week is all they are offering now because over 30 requires insurance. Great, 30% pay cut right off the bat. But it gets better. My 28 hour week gives me about $18,000 a year which is too much for any government insurance.

So now BY LAW I HAVE TO BUY MY OWN ($5,000) or pay a fine. I’M FVCKED AND EVERY YEAR THE FINE GOES UP. SO WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A SWEET DEAL TURNED INTO AN ASS FVCKING.

Thanks, Obama. I wonder how many people like me turn 27 and find out YOU SCREWED US?’

Resist We Much on June 7, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Ms. Pelosi, since you “claim” to be a “good Catholic”, I direct you to:

CCC 2482 “A lie consists in speaking a falsehood with the intention of deceiving.” -St. Augustine, De mendacio.

Given that you are on record of saying what you have said I would review this very carefully.

Cadian on June 7, 2013 at 3:39 PM

If you would go to Webster’s dictionary and look up air head…..there that ugly mug would be…..

because everybody in the country doesn’t have health insurance, so how could it be lower.

that is the understatement of the year…….no chit nanny p

DiabloAzure on June 7, 2013 at 3:40 PM

I guess she should retire then since she has a clear case of dementia. It would be for the greater good after all.

NotCoach on June 7, 2013 at 3:42 PM

TURNED INTO AN ASS FVCKING.

Thanks, Obama. I wonder how many people like me turn 27 and find out YOU SCREWED US?

Resist We Much on June 7, 2013 at 3:34 PM

I thought everyone and their cousin was ghey now anyway so what’s the big f’in deal?

Nutstuyu on June 7, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Ms. Pelosi, since you “claim” to be a “good Catholic”, I direct you to:

CCC 2482 “A lie consists in speaking a falsehood with the intention of deceiving.” -St. Augustine, De mendacio.

Given that you are on record of saying what you have said I would review this very carefully.

Cadian on June 7, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Has anyone forwarded this to the Pope’s twitter account?

Nutstuyu on June 7, 2013 at 3:43 PM

if you don’t have health insurance and you don’t qualify for a subsidy and you’re mandated to have health insurance, yes, you will have an increase. We’re very sensitive to what it means for young people, especially young singles, and there are policies that people can get. I don’t remember saying that everybody in the country would have a lower premium, because everybody in the country doesn’t have health insurance, so how could it be lower.

ugh, this affects young people like me the most… look what she says here, this is so stupid. she’s saying “people who probably don’t need health insurance and therefore have not bought any yet will be forced to start paying for it anyway.” we all know that of course but look at the way she said it. instead of being straightforward, she says it in a weird way in hopes that people won’t understand it. i hate, hate, hate when politicians do this but almost all of them do it.

Sachiko on June 7, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Pelosi is lying, of course. In other news, the sun rose this morning and is expected to rise tomorrow morning too.

MTF on June 7, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Rats and cockroches, they always scurry when the lights come on.

NickelAndDime on June 7, 2013 at 3:46 PM

What a sick joke it is that this woman is anywhere near a position of power. Oh, of course they’ll rise for some, because they didn’t have a premium in the first place! So she never would’ve suggested they’d go down for everyone, see?

I remain baffled as to why at least 50% of this country buys into bs like this.

changer1701 on June 7, 2013 at 3:46 PM

Someone help refresh her memory.

This woman is more than corrupt, she is insane.

Jabez01 on June 7, 2013 at 3:30 PM

She and her rich hubbie own a couple of wineries (wine, not whine) so that may have something to do with it; getting high on your own supply and all that.

slickwillie2001 on June 7, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Just went to physical therapy and had to fill out a ream of new forms.. I asked if Obamacare was the reason, and the girl just sighed.. yes..

In every doctors office I go to, Obamacare is spoken of in the most negative possible way.. no one trusts it, him or believes a word about it.. and too I have to wonder now, if somethings denied.. is it because some wonk is penny pinching.. or did they just put an R on my file and will deny medical help to “punish” Obama’s enemies..

There is zero level of trust here.. none..

and these thugs are proud of what they’ve done.

Bush I would trust to not target liberals for government screwing.. Obama?

He’s a thug.. an imbecile ran by his inner circle of screaming Marxists, no clue as to what he’s done to millions of us, and worse, not caring if he did.. too busy playing boy-king to ever care about the little guy.. his caviar is ready.

mark81150 on June 7, 2013 at 3:48 PM

So Botox affects the memory too. Not surprised.

Gingotts on June 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Just think … everyone who do NOT have insurance now, will soon have to pay the gubmint for that privilege !!

BRILLIANT !!!
o_O

pambi on June 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Focusing my mind laser straight at Pelousy’s botoxed head.

neyney on June 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Someone should tell her to keep quiet when she’s out in public.

Akzed on June 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

And Now

Oppression is Liberation
George would be proud.

jaydee_007 on June 7, 2013 at 3:50 PM

I don’t remember saying that everybody in the country would have a lower premium,

Of course you didn’t. Congress had to vote for it to find out what was in it.

But the fact is, the value of what you get for the cost that you pay is a reduction is a reduction in cost to you.

Has the Botox gone to her brain? The value of an increase in cost is a reduction in cost? Positive is negative, and to give is to receive, and all is hunky-dory in the Land of Ozbama, until you get sick. Then Dr. Ozbama gives you a red pill so the good Lord takes you away.

Steve Z on June 7, 2013 at 3:50 PM

If she had one more facelift her breath would smell like fish.

docflash on June 7, 2013 at 3:52 PM

What a horrible woman.

tom daschle concerned on June 7, 2013 at 3:55 PM

You are a slime bag you idiot wench.

You should hang from the ropes FIRST when elected officials are eventually tried and found guilty of TREASON.

TX-96 on June 7, 2013 at 3:55 PM

She belongs in jail…

PatriotRider on June 7, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Nancy Piglosi doesn’t look good in orange (or any other color for that matter).

bw222 on June 7, 2013 at 3:56 PM

The Queen of the Low Information Voter . . .

TarheelBen on June 7, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Bumbler in Chief

Schadenfreude on June 7, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Resist We Much on June 7, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Good one. But whoever wrote that is in closer touch than most young folks. For one thing, they actually thought about numbers!

You may want to confer with:

Jackalope on June 7, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Yes. You nailed it.

My economics guy is wondering about kids without money, kids living in a parent’s basement with no money, the free spirits who are used to flying without insurance to be archaeologists and paying for none like that pretty lady who gave birth to our POTUS.

That is why they need the IRS to lose the nasty charges and fines aka “tax” set to fly at those people. Those are registered Democrats, friend.

IlikedAUH2O on June 7, 2013 at 3:58 PM

What a Fu*king Hag.

ToddPA on June 7, 2013 at 4:00 PM

I detest this lying demon.

Affordable Healthcare Act not so affordable now.

Lightning should be striking.

bazil9 on June 7, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Hey, Nance. There are these things called recording devices. And see, we can capture what you say and even play it back later. You’d think with all the spying your government is doing on its citizens, you’d be familiar with this technology.

Doughboy on June 7, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Clearly she’s planning on having the NSA “revise and extend” her remarks in today’s batch of data collected. Check back tomorrow and the record will agree with her memory.

Happy Nomad on June 7, 2013 at 4:04 PM

She might very well be losing her faculties.

myiq2xu on June 7, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Losing? More like lost.

GWB on June 7, 2013 at 4:05 PM

I detest this lying demon.

bazil9 on June 7, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Demons would object to the comparison. In fact, they have to check under their kids beds for a Pelosi before they are tucked in at night.

Happy Nomad on June 7, 2013 at 4:06 PM

I can’t click on that video. The sound of her voice… just… no.

Yakko77 on June 7, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Simmer down.
We all feel the same way.
Loins girded.
We have them on the run.
Bloodhounds.
Never give up.

mickytx on June 7, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Worthless lying hag…

Pest on June 7, 2013 at 4:13 PM

She might very well be losing her faculties.

myiq2xu on June 7, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Losing? More like lost.

GWB on June 7, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Yeah, I think that ship left port a long time ago.

UltimateBob on June 7, 2013 at 4:14 PM

You are a slime bag you idiot wench.

You should hang from the ropes FIRST when elected officials are eventually tried and found guilty of TREASON.

TX-96 on June 7, 2013 at 3:55 PM

We should have a contest.

We could award prepaid phones and credit cards!

Unfortunately, I think you and six or so others around here are higher on the “phone sweep” and personal harvest list than I.

IlikedAUH2O on June 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Her lips are moving again.

John the Libertarian on June 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Habitual liars and deceivers routinely can’t keep all their fabrications in order. Way to go, Frisco! You should be proud.

RobertMN on June 7, 2013 at 4:17 PM

hey nancy and harry they gots one way trip to planet mars coming soon for a few million.

there you can be king and queen
of your own planet!

losarkos on June 7, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Didn’t the Nanster say once that ZeroCare would free people from having to work REAL jobs so they could be artsy-fartists chasing their dreams? Since there’d be this “FREE” healthcare for all?

Based on what individual policies will cost under ZeroCare, how exactly *IS* that supposed to work, Nancy? (Obviously a purely rhetorical question; Nancy will never answer.)

The only answer I’ll hazard, which seems a LOT more realistic now, is that the artsy-fartists who are ‘ideologically approved’ will find the IRS will auto-magically work things out so their ZeroCare is pretty much free.

Those not approved? Not so much.

Marcola on June 7, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Translation – Nancy Pelosi: “Don’t blame me if you stupid people were stupid enough to believe stupid me when I stupidly said this stupid law would do anything remotely close to what I told you stupid people it would do if you stupidly bought my argument that we had to pass the bill so you stupid voters could see what’s in it. And thank you for sending me back to Congress for yet another term.”

natasha333 on June 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

I believe I remember Ms. Pelosi carrying a giant gavel sometime in the past. May I suggest, Madame, to have that gravel in you. Thank you for your kind attention and compliance.

Mason on June 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

1995

Democrats: “The actions we’ve taken will ensure that every American is able to buy a home!”

US News Media: Democrats Make Dreams Come True…Over Objections Of Racist Republicans”

2008

Democrats: “Hey, it’s not our fault that the housing market has been destroyed by subprime mortgages. It was the Republicans and their greedy fat-cat banker friends!”

US News Media: “Republicans, Bankers Destroy Economy”

Anybody picking up what I’m laying down?

rvastar on June 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Marcola on June 7, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Yeah, she said that Obamacare was great for “freedom,” since you could quit your job and become an artist, or run away and join the circus, and still keep your healthcare . . . or something.

TarheelBen on June 7, 2013 at 4:44 PM

From the very beginning, in other words, Obama’s message was not that the law would result in higher premiums, but better coverage. It was that the law would lower premiums, end of story.

Actually, Obama said the law would result in substantially lower premiums ($2,500 per family, on average), better coverage, more efficiency and less waste in our medical system, and many fewer uninsureds.

The truth, as many predicted and as the rest of the country is now finding out, is that O-care is going to cause substantially higher premiums, worse coverage for many, less efficiency and substantially more waste in our medical system (and less privacy for our personal medical records), and . . . we’re still going to have, at a minimum according to the CBO, 30 million uninsureds.

In other words, Obamacare is going to be a massive, and massively expensive, failure in every possible way.

Heckuva job, Barry and Nancy!

AZCoyote on June 7, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Ok RNC….

Get an ad ready splicing these two clips and then say, “She wants to be speaker again…don’t let that happen.” and make it available to every republican candidate for the House next year.

What a LIAR.

jjjdad on June 7, 2013 at 4:48 PM

If it’s going to be a “liberation”, a “freedom”, then why did Congress exempt itself from it?

INC on June 7, 2013 at 4:49 PM

But for anyone that that is a challenge there are subsidies in the exchanges, and it’s also about what you get for the money.

Sounds like any number of sleazy salesmen: “You’re investing! You can’t afford to NOT buy it!

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 7, 2013 at 4:51 PM

I don’t remember saying that everybody in the country would have a lower premium, because everybody in the country doesn’t have health insurance, so how could it be lower. But the fact is, the value of what you get for the cost that you pay is a reduction is a reduction in cost to you.

According to the president, it was supposed to cut our premiums by 4000%

This is our government now. Mandate you buy something, add mandates that the product include things that many don’t need, then tell you what a good deal you’re getting and act like they’ve done you a favor.

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM

natasha333 on June 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Okay, I don’t think you mentioned ‘stupid’ in quite all its forms and
probably not nearly enough, but…

Spot on.

Hey, libs and socks come around to tell us how wrong we were.
bayam, libfreeordie, uppereast…

Trenton. Fight on. Carry your near dead ass.
This is important.
We don’t know very much of suffering, but they’re about to understand the
cruel taste of the truth.

mickytx on June 7, 2013 at 4:55 PM

She keeps using the term “premium.” I thought it was a tax.

TexAz on June 7, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Make sure you have a strong Republican candidate ready to run in your Congressional District in 2014!

Because if the Republicans do not maintain their majority in the House, Nancy Pelosi will become Speaker of the House again.

17 House seats will make the difference.

wren on June 7, 2013 at 5:27 PM

ObamaCare is going to be HUNG around Nancy-poo’s neck like a scarlet letter.

I hope she wears it proudly.

GarandFan on June 7, 2013 at 5:41 PM

“the people who don’t have health insurance can’t possibly be paying less than zero, right? Right?”

People who don’t pay taxes get tax breaks, so I guess anything is possible.

munseym on June 7, 2013 at 6:07 PM

So if Republicans and Conservatives start going on and on about how the Democrats promised that Obamacare would lower insurance costs, then within two weeks from now, they’ll be accused of “overreach”, and within three weeks from now, talking about this subject will be “the new N word”.

ardenenoch on June 7, 2013 at 7:00 PM

What’s with these Democrats? Is there anyone out ther with a good memory?

RdLake on June 7, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Backpedaling.
.
HEY ! . . . . . . . Madam Congresslady . . . . . . . . how about anybody ?

listens2glenn on June 7, 2013 at 7:48 PM

What’s with these Democrats? Is there anyone out ther with a good memory?

Good, how about ANY memory?

Sick of these despicable, brainless pieces of flesh destroying this once great country.

hillsoftx on June 7, 2013 at 8:16 PM

I work for Northrop Grumman and I just found out my Blue Cross Blue Shield EPO medical insurance went from $8600/year to $14,400/year. Last year my premiums for the same insurance went up $1500. WTF!!!

berlins on June 7, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Witch, please. Just because you claim you don’t remember doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Wait… maybe I could try that with the IRS….

ghostwalker1 on June 7, 2013 at 11:56 PM

For everybody, it is going to be, again, a liberation, a freedom…

George Orwell, in “1984″ couldn’t have said it better.

RADIOONE on June 8, 2013 at 8:13 AM

I still find it inconceivable that even a marginally intelligent human being could elected this pasty faced moron.

rplat on June 8, 2013 at 10:21 AM

thats because she’s had 1 too many sessions with botox. it’s made her little brain hurt so she can’t remember things.

mmcnamer1 on June 8, 2013 at 10:45 AM

And this is who Obama wants to bring back as Speaker of the House. The bowels, they shudder.

RebeccaH on June 8, 2013 at 11:54 AM

All this and MORE are being brought to you by the worthless Manure Spreading Media, who if they had been doing their jobs in any form of a half-azzed manner, America would not have to deal with the likes of Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, Schumer, McDermott, Grijalva, Waters, King Putt, Killery, Weiner, Jarett, Waxman, (I’ll quit now, my fingers are tired) … Thanks LSM for aiding and abeting in the destruction of the greatest idea mankind had ever devised.
(We should go back to the days where you had to produce a property tax receipt in order to vote.) Voters with ‘skin in the game’ give a G_d Damn what government is doing with their money.

Missilengr on June 8, 2013 at 3:38 PM

She also said it would boost the economy. No sign so far.

Irony is that under Obamacare, the population without any health insurance at all will rise, not fall.

A black-market in health services will develop because too many people cannot afford either the premium or the fines.

Any government trying to enforce the fines will see itself locking up single mothers, the disabled, veterans and seniors in their thousands. It won’t take long before the administration has to climb down.

Remember, this is not like the UK or Canadian system that the adherents so worshiped. Under those systems, nobody pays a premium because the money is taken at source as part of income taxation. What these fools did was to convince everyone that it would be like these wonderful “free” systems, but to get it through they needed to reward their health insurance buddies and make everyone pay an additional premium. So we now have the worst of both worlds: low-quality government health-care at an unreachable cost.

virgo on June 9, 2013 at 12:22 PM