Report: NSA collecting daily phone logs of millions of American Verizon customers

posted at 9:21 pm on June 5, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

It’s beginning to look like the Obama administration is not at all interested in targeting domestic surveillance in any way that might attempt to mitigate its violations of privacy or increase its odds of actually finding people doing something illegal. Attorney General Eric Holder’s Department of Justice cast a wide net in his search of AP phone logs, was the picture of intrusiveness in the James Rosen case, and now NSA is targeting millions of Americans for daily data collection?

Glenn Greenwald reports on secret court order, issued in April, which compelled one of the nation’s largest telecom providers to hand over daily call logs to the federal government. The information did not include actual content of conversations, but it included everything but:

The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America’s largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April.

The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an “ongoing, daily basis” to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.

The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk – regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing.

The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.

Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered.

If you have any calls of a sensitive nature to make, you may want to wait until July 19, when the order expires. Will newly minted NSA Susan Rice, Holder, or President Obama know anything about this until they read it in the paper tomorrow?

TechCrunch notes that longtime skepticism of Bush-era Patriot Act provisions, and how the government interprets them, wedded to the newly more plausible scenario of political adversaries being targeted with such powers is a potent one:

The Senate’s tech-savviest member, Ron Wyden (CrunchGov Grade: A), has been discretely warning citizens of these kinds of secretive government projects. “There is now a significant gap between what most Americans think the law allows and what the government secretly claims the law allows,” wrote Wyden and Senator Mark Udall to embattled Attorney Eric Holder.

The order apparently draws from a 2001 Bush-era provision in the Patriot Act (50 USC section 1861). The revelation dovetails similar exposes on massive government spying projects, including one project to combine federal datasets and look for patterns on anything which could be related to terrorism.

Late last year, I wrote about a few actual harms that citizens should be worried about from these types of big-data spying programs. Blackmailing citizens critical of the government seemed like a distant hypothetical, until we learned that the IRS was auditing Tea Party groups and journalists were being wiretapped. Nefarious actors inside the government like to abuse national security programs for political ends, and that should make us all (even more) suspect of government spying.

You can read the whole court order, here. It’s signed by FISA court judge Roger Vinson, whose name you may remember because he’s also the federal judge who declared the Obamacare individual mandate an unconstitutional regulation of economic inactivity back in 2011.

Update: The Electronic Frontier Foundation, which has long accused the government of this type of surveillance, says this action is being undertaken under a section of the Patriot Act, but is a clear overstep of the law’s requirement that it be targeted at individuals under some sort of suspicion in specific investigations:

“This confirms what we had long suspected,” says Cindy Cohn, an attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), a civil liberties organization that has long accused the government of operating a secret dragnet surveillance program. “We’ve been suing over this since 2006.”

The order is based on Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which allows law enforcement to obtain a wide variety of “business records,” including calling records. EFF has long criticized Section 215, which sets a threshold for obtaining records much lower than the “probable cause” standard required to get a search warrant.

But Cohn argues that the kind of dragnet surveillance suggested by the Verizon order exceeds even the authority granted by the Patriot Act. “Section 215 is written as if they’re going after individual people based on individual investigations,” she says. In contrast, the order leaked to the Guardian affects “millions and millions of innocent people. There’s no way all of our calling records are relevant to a terrorism investigation.”

“I don’t think Congress thought it was authorizing dragnet surveillance” when it passed the Patriot Act, Cohn says. “I don’t think Americans think that’s OK. I would be shocked if the majority of congressmen thought it’s okay.”

Update: Obligatory flashback with soaring, beautifully worded hypocrisy.

Update: The other obligatory flashback to USA Today‘s reporting on what was presumably the same program, under the Bush administration, in 2006. This is separate from the warrantless wiretapping story, which got much more press. Greenwald’s court order is the first documentation of the practice continuing under Obama, despite the fact he was elected on promises to do pretty much the opposite:

The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.
The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans — most of whom aren’t suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.

“It’s the largest database ever assembled in the world,” said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA’s activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency’s goal is “to create a database of every call ever made” within the nation’s borders, this person added.

For the customers of these companies, it means that the government has detailed records of calls they made — across town or across the country — to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others.

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The White House has put out the statement that the gathering of all Verizon phone records does not allow the actual conversations to be listened in on or unveiled. They did this to make you feel more at ease about what they are doing.

So in summary:

o There is no War On Terror; however, we are confiscating the phone records of all AMERICANS to check for subversive &/Or terrorist communications.

o The same DOJ / DHS that tapped not only Fox news reporter’s phone, seized his e-mail records, & began drafting phony criminal charges but also bugged the phones & stole the e-mails of HIS PARENTS is telling us not to worry about this mushrooming Verizon scandal because THIS TIME they are exercising restraint by subpoenaing & collecting phone records off of a massive ‘HUNCH’ that SOMEONE in the millions of people being ‘checked on’ might be doing SOMETHING wrong…

o And they are not going to listen to the actual conversations – they will just know & log into their database EVERY call you made, every person you talked to, how often you talked to them, & how long you talked to them.

No worries…THAT should make you feel better & this whole ‘Verizon’ thing go away…

easyt65 on June 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Blackmailing citizens critical of the government seemed like a distant hypothetical, until we learned that the IRS was auditing Tea Party groups and journalists were being wiretapped. Nefarious actors inside the government like to abuse national security programs for political ends, and that should make us all (even more) suspect of government spying.

Not just critical of the government. Making calls to gay bars? Prostitutes? We can blackmail you now and force you to do our bidding.

Buy Danish on June 6, 2013 at 9:44 AM

All of this listening and intruding into all of our lives and they still couldn’t find two mopes in Boston when the Rooskies handed them over on a silver platter. It’s like we’re being protected by Col. Klink, Stg. Schultz, the Pink Panther and Get Smart all rolled into one.

Kissmygrits on June 6, 2013 at 9:46 AM

And they are not going to listen to the actual conversations – they will just know & log into their database EVERY call you made, every person you talked to, how often you talked to them, & how long you talked to them.

easyt65 on June 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Find the trail to the database.

faraway on June 6, 2013 at 9:47 AM

I imagine that Obama now has a massive database on everyone in the country, with:

- voting info, affiliations, job history, call lists, websites visited, etc.

Find the database.

faraway on June 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM

For what other purpose do you think that the federal government has constructed MASSIVE data storage facilities in West Virginia and Utah?

Resist We Much on June 6, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Time to review that “Share Everything” plan…..

ProfShadow on June 6, 2013 at 9:59 AM

DHS flags tweets about ‘militia,’ but not ‘jihad’

You can thank the Electronic Privacy Information Center for forcing the Department of Homeland Security to release its list of “keywords” that are used to by its agents to monitor you on Twitter, Facebook and other social networking sites.

The list, including phrases, reveals which words you probably want to avoid or else risk being flagged and eyeballed as a possible terrorist or someone who is otherwise posing threats to the United States. Words included such innocuous terms as: “Militia,” “exercise,” “cops,” “national security” and “facility.”

Interestingly and of note, “jihad” was not included, nor were the words “Middle East,” “Arab,” “Muslim,” “terrorist” or “pressure cooker.” Perhaps those are on a different DHS red flag list?

Akzed on June 6, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon….

My phone probably called a number that is 5 or less calls from some terrorist someplace. Not that I was looking for a pressure cooker, but perhaps a blender, for example.

Even though not related or relevant, the data, and the connections as a result, are mappable.

You really want to freak out a bit, try out Maltego from http://www.paterva.com and run just the Community Edition on your email.

ProfShadow on June 6, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Not just critical of the government. Making calls to gay bars? Prostitutes?

Buy Danish on June 6, 2013 at 9:44 AM

So it’s a Dem recruiting tool, eh?
Nefarious.

justltl on June 6, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Won’t anybody worth snooping on be using anonymous prepaid cellphones?

Mark1971 on June 5, 2013 at 9:38 PM

I use Verizon and use the pre-paid route. But I use a bank card to pay for it. Thus, I would suppose no anonymity.

ddrintn on June 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Way to go Verizon. They fold quicker than Google did for China.

Capitalist Hog on June 6, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Maybe somebody already posted this but Lindsey Graham says he’s glad their collecting records.

Mr. Graham said that he is a Verizon customer and has no problem with the company turning over records to the government if it helps it do its job. The South Carolina Republican said that people who have done nothing wrong have nothing to worry about

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/6/gop-sen-graham-glad-nsa-collecting-phone-records/#ixzz2VRevz1rd
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JellyToast on June 6, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Maybe you were outraged by the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping.
 
But maybe, like so many here, you were a full throated cheerleader then?
 
verbaluce on March 7, 2013 at 5:54 PM

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Way to go Verizon. They fold quicker than Google did for China.

Capitalist Hog on June 6, 2013 at 10:12 AM

As if Verizon is the only carrier that has been subjected to such an order. It’s possible, but if it is the case, it won’t remain so for long. The much greater likelihood is that most or ALL carriers are under similar orders.

Resist We Much on June 6, 2013 at 10:18 AM

So, with all of these scandals, we can expect the American people to be up in arms? And the media to be relentlessly digging into this and exposing it all on a daily basis? And the perpetrators in this administration to be publicly disgraced, fired and brought to justice? Right? Right??!!!

Uh huh. Sure.
We’re doomed.

justltl on June 6, 2013 at 10:20 AM

How Obama Knew How You’d Vote, Even Before You Did

forest on June 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM

I thought of that article when I saw this one too.

I imagine that Obama now has a massive database on everyone in the country, with:

- voting info, affiliations, job history, call lists, websites visited, etc.

Find the database.

faraway on June 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM

None of this stuff happens by accident. And none of it is about terrorists. It’s about power and control — of us.

AZCoyote on June 6, 2013 at 10:22 AM

OK guys. This is your opportunity to *really* mount a serious libertarian, small government argument against the permanent state of government abuse rationalized under the “War on Terror.” I do hope that this will be a genuine attack from the right on government over reach and not a freaky deaky Obama exclusive melt down. Get it right, this could genuinely help the nation.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 10:24 AM

I bet that a year from now, other than from a few obscure bloggers, we’ll be hearing nothing about this.
It will be ‘so yesterday’.
No one will be jailed, fired or even reprimand. In fact, the worst of the perps will probably be promoted.
And the Perp-in-Chief will have a nice 50% approval rating.

justltl on June 6, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Hey great news — the government can track your exact location when you make those calls based on the GPS locator on cell towers!

Alexander, NSA, before Congress: We don’t track/collect phone info on Amerifan citizens.

Clapper, Intel, before Congress: We don’t track/collect phone info on Amerifan citizens.

Immediately call for the arrest of these 2 individuals for perjury…for starters.

easyt65 on June 6, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Two tin cans and a string?

lynncgb on June 5, 2013 at 10:46 PM

lmao-I had thought about that.

bazil9 on June 5, 2013 at 10:02 PM
Once the IRS has access to all of our health records, HIPAA means nothing.

slickwillie2001 on June 6, 2013 at 12:05 AM

No shite..but right now it does..or should. Well only if I break compliance then my ass is toast. None of it matters anymore as you have no right to anything including someone swabbing your ass.

I will start of calls now stating: This call is being monitored for by the NSA for unlimited data gathering until July 19th or beyond. Please proceed.

My method of communication has already changed and will be evolving faster.

I wasn’t kidding about code. My old drug dealing roommate taught me well on that. I’ll make sure my “data” is sparse. Any carrier or incoming call.
If I could, I would drop service-period. Like the good ol’ days.

bazil9 on June 6, 2013 at 10:27 AM

OK guys. This is your opportunity

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 10:24 AM

It is YOUR opportunity as well… take it.

bazil9 on June 6, 2013 at 10:34 AM

OK guys. This is your opportunity

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 10:24 AM

It is yours, as well, and none of this ‘NSA is the new N-word’ crap.

Resist We Much on June 6, 2013 at 10:43 AM

people who have done nothing wrong have nothing to worry about…

I worry about who judges right and wrong.

tdarrington on June 6, 2013 at 10:46 AM

So, privacy is only sacrosanct if you have HIV, are homosexual, or had an abortion. Got it.

tdarrington on June 6, 2013 at 10:50 AM

That RINO Lindsey Graham was on Fox saying he’s fine with this. What he doesn’t get is that the government needs this thing called a WARRANT before it can snoop on U.S. Citizens.

The whole “it’s fine, because I’m not doing anything wrong” argument is crazy. If the government wants to, it can always find something you’re doing wrong, because it’s power is so pervasive already.

hawksruleva on June 6, 2013 at 10:53 AM

That RINO Lindsey Graham was on Fox saying he’s fine with this. What he doesn’t get is that the government needs this thing called a WARRANT before it can snoop on U.S. Citizens.

It’s disgusting, but not surprising. It reminded me of that McDermott idiot pontificating during the IRS hearings that it was the Tea Party groups’ own fault that they were unfairly targeted and had their confidential information illegally disclosed, because they had applied for 501(c) status!

The level of ignorance of our so-called representatives is appalling.

Time to clean out the whole lot of them. Starting at the top. And we need to make the next ones pass a test demonstrating at least a minimal level of comprehension of our constitution before they can run for/serve in any elected office in the U.S.

AZCoyote on June 6, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Maybe somebody already posted this but Lindsey Graham says he’s glad their collecting records.

Mr. Graham said that he is a Verizon customer and has no problem with the company turning over records to the government if it helps it do its job. The South Carolina Republican said that people who have done nothing wrong have nothing to worry about…

JellyToast on June 6, 2013 at 10:15 AM

And so there goes the Fourth Amendment as well.

ddrintn on June 6, 2013 at 11:02 AM

OK guys. This is your opportunity to *really* mount a serious libertarian, small government argument against the permanent state of government abuse rationalized under the “War on Terror.”

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 10:24 AM

A lot of us have already been there for the past 12 years. The only problem you libs have with “overreach” is the party affiliation of the guy doing the overreaching.

ddrintn on June 6, 2013 at 11:05 AM

IT’s time to start questioning why an army of spies is needed in a democratic country.

bayam on June 5, 2013 at 9:35 PM

Wow. I actually agree with you on something. I think I’ll go buy a lottery ticket now.

totherightofthem on June 6, 2013 at 11:18 AM

unseen on June 6, 2013 at 1:07 AM

No shit, which is why I hope Republicans come over to my side and Democrats stay on it. Instead, most likely, Republicans will condemn while many Democrats will defend. It all depends with whose ox is getting gored.

Remember when many Republicans didn’t have a problem with the government finding out what books you are reading under the Patriot Act and Democrats called it fascism?

Now, look at how many Democrats like HAL are reacting to the IRS’ demand to know what books conservatives are reading.

Resist We Much on June 6, 2013 at 11:19 AM

FISA act states search warrant must be based on SPECIFIC individual, persone of interest, reason — NOT a blanket ‘fishing expedition’ like this.

Obama lawyers declared Patriot Act allows search of BUSINESS phone #s — 129 MILLION Americans whose records being illegally searched / spied on do not own a BUSINESS…

Senior NSA Rep declares this an unquestionable violation of the 4th Ammendment!

easyt65 on June 6, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Maybe somebody already posted this but Lindsey Graham says he’s glad their collecting records.

Mr. Graham said that he is a Verizon customer and has no problem with the company turning over records to the government if it helps it do its job. The South Carolina Republican said that people who have done nothing wrong have nothing to worry about…

JellyToast on June 6, 2013 at 10:15 AM

And so there goes the Fourth Amendment as well.

ddrintn on June 6, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Why should the police need search warrants anyway? If you have nothing to hide why not let the police come in and look around?

slickwillie2001 on June 6, 2013 at 11:29 AM

All your phone records are belong to us…

kpguru on June 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Why should the police need search warrants anyway? If you have nothing to hide why not let the police come in and look around?

slickwillie2001 on June 6, 2013 at 11:29 AM

really? Are you for real?

unseen on June 6, 2013 at 11:52 AM

No shit, which is why I hope Republicans come over to my side and Democrats stay on it. Instead, most likely, Republicans will condemn while many Democrats will defend. It all depends with whose ox is getting gored.

Remember when many Republicans didn’t have a problem with the government finding out what books you are reading under the Patriot Act and Democrats called it fascism?

Now, look at how many Democrats like HAL are reacting to the IRS’ demand to know what books conservatives are reading.

Resist We Much on June 6, 2013 at 11:19 AM

you still don’t get it. you want to make this a partisan fight it isn’t. Bush left office with a 29% approval rating. more than 70% of the people were against what he was doing. Most reps hate the patriot act. At the time of passage the gov used fear of 9/11 to pass it. At the time of passage more than 70% of the people supported it. Only once it was seen as gov overreach did the people turn against it. Yet Obama and the dems and the gop continue to reapprove the law against the public’s wishes. Your “dems” you are so proud of continue to pass the patriot act. and like a simpleton you continue to support them.

The Tea party is the ONLY party in the country that offers a third way. the Tea party is the only party that is against both the GOPE and the ruling dems.

unseen on June 6, 2013 at 11:59 AM

you still don’t get it. you want to make this a partisan fight it isn’t.

unseen on June 6, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Nope. I have made stuff like this a civil liberties issue for over a decade. I only want people to be CONSISTENT in their outrage.

BTW, I belong to no party.

Resist We Much on June 6, 2013 at 12:03 PM

I don’t much disagree with what you say.
But unfortunately, it isn’t going to happen. The only way that anything is going to get fixed, is if we get a complete do over, and rebuild from the ashes

LegendHasIt on June 6, 2013 at 1:15 AM

I don’t know. You might be right. yet I have seen history show that great events have occurred when the common man has risen up and said ENOUGH to the ruling elites.

unseen on June 6, 2013 at 12:03 PM

OK guys. This is your opportunity to *really* mount a serious libertarian, small government argument against the permanent state of government abuse rationalized under the “War on Terror.” I do hope that this will be a genuine attack from the right on government over reach and not a freaky deaky Obama exclusive melt down. Get it right, this could genuinely help the nation.
 
libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 10:24 AM

 
You mean like voting against this administration when we had the opportunity?
 
As I told verbaluce back when we were discussing it back in March:
 

I didn’t vote for Obama.
 
Hey, you did though, didn’t you? Which means you either
 
1) didn’t know about the increased wiretapping or
 
2) you were okay with it because of the (D) next to his name.

 
Say, now that you mention it, you supported these guys too, didn’t you?
 
How about libfreeordie? Was it because you were uninformed or because there was a (D) next to his name on the ballot?
 
Those are your only two choices. Although I suppose it could be both.

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 12:07 PM

At the time of passage more than 70% of the people supported it.

unseen on June 6, 2013 at 11:59 AM

And I wasn’t one of them.

Your “dems” you are so proud of continue to pass the patriot act.

WTF my ‘dems,’ idiot? I’ve NEVER been either a Democrat (or Republican either).

and like a simpleton you continue to support them.

I do? The stupid is very strong with this one.

You reiterated my point by pointing out the hypocrisy, which is what I did.

Reading (comprehension) is fun(damental).

Try it, especially before you ever again call me a ‘simpleton.’

Resist We Much on June 6, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Nope. I have made stuff like this a civil liberties issue for over a decade. I only want people to be CONSISTENT in their outrage.

BTW, I belong to no party.

Resist We Much on June 6, 2013 at 12:03 PM

I don’t care about consistent I care about people waking up. Sometimes until you are on the other side you really don’t understand what is going on. opposing this simply because Obama is doing it isn’t enough and neither was opposing it because Bush was doing it. Opposing it because its wrong is what has to happen. the individual mandate is the same area. When Mitt did it many of the ruling elite in the GOPE thought is was a good idea. When Obama did it those same people thought it was terrible. Or so they said yet they nominated a guy who did the same thing Obama did.

I didn’t support Mitt nor Obama because of it. People have to relearn what core convictions are and if there has to be some rethink in what some believe I’m ok with that.

unseen on June 6, 2013 at 12:10 PM

No shit, which is why I hope Republicans come over to my side and Democrats stay on it.

Now, unseen, let me give you a lesson on reading comprehension.

I said: ‘I hope Republicans come over to my side.’

To which, a reasonable person could infer that I am not a Republican.

Then, I said: ‘[I hope] Democrats stay on (my side).’

Which a reasonable person would read as Democrats being something other than me.

So, it is quite reasonably to assume that I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat, which is the case.

‘My side’ is libertarian registered independents, in this case. The point of my post is that I hope that Republicans come over to my side on civil liberties and Democrats stay on it instead of changing sides because the people in power have different initials after their names.

Resist We Much on June 6, 2013 at 12:14 PM

I don’t care about consistent I care about people waking up.

unseen on June 6, 2013 at 12:10 PM

I do care about consistency. If the parties only support this type of stuff when their guy is in charge and oppose it when he’s not, then it will NEVER change.

Resist We Much on June 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM

I don’t much disagree with what you say.
But unfortunately, it isn’t going to happen. The only way that anything is going to get fixed, is if we get a complete do over, and rebuild from the ashes

LegendHasIt on June 6, 2013 at 1:15 AM

The problem with the ‘let it burn’ theory is that the communists in the democratic party are very confident that they can come out of a collapse on top, and they may be right. The best organized and committed faction will generally win, as the MoBro did in Egypt.

slickwillie2001 on June 6, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Say, now that you mention it, you supported these guys too, didn’t you?

How about libfreeordie? Was it because you were uninformed or because there was a (D) next to his name on the ballot?

Those are your only two choices. Although I suppose it could be both.

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 12:07 PM

You’re not that dumb rogerb. There was/is no evidence that Mitt Romney would have taken a different approach on national security issues, surveillance or civil liberties. He campaigned as *more* hawkish, not less. Do you not remember the foreign policy debate, they finished each other’s sentences. I voted for Obama because of the few (and I mean very very few) domestic issues he’s better than Romney on. So you can be bitter at me about our disagreements over domestic issues, or you can recognize that this is a site where left and right can and do agree. Liberals and Republicans are a lost cause, they will simply vote for whichever party they are affiliated with. Progressive and conservatives have a shot.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Say, now that you mention it, you supported these guys too, didn’t you?
 
How about libfreeordie? Was it because you were uninformed or because there was a (D) next to his name on the ballot?
 
Those are your only two choices. Although I suppose it could be both.
 
rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 12:07 PM

 
You’re not that dumb rogerb. There was/is no evidence that Mitt Romney would have taken a different approach on national security issues, surveillance or civil liberties….
 
libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 12:28 PM

 
Thanks. I appreciate you acknowledging my point. Your “no evidence” works the other way as well, especially when there was plenty of evidence (and from the ACLU) of what Obama was definitely doing.
 
And yet you willingly voted for the current administration. Meaning you either knew and supported their actions or you were an uninformed voter and just made a choice because of the (D).
 
Again, there are no other choices. And you made yours.
 
You chose this administration.
 

You chose these actions with your vote.
 
You encouraged these “government abuses rationalized under the “War on Terror” with your vote.
 
You directly supported these infringements with your vote.
 
We did not.
 
Congratulations.

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Welcome to police state AmeriKa!!!

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 1:13 PM

libnotfreeordie, just once, just once, stand for liberty, you little weasel.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 1:14 PM

You directly supported these infringements with your vote.

We did not.

Congratulations.

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Did you vote in 2004?

segasagez on June 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM

libnotfreeordie, just once, just once, stand for liberty, you little weasel.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 1:14 PM

He can’t say anything bad about Barry, he’s afraid he will lose his shot at tenure.

slickwillie2001 on June 6, 2013 at 1:21 PM

wake up Amerika, the NSA is collecting all cell phone carriers and all emails in this country. so naive…

those willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither

burserker on June 6, 2013 at 1:23 PM

libnotfreeordie, just once, just once, stand for liberty, you little weasel.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 1:14 PM

You know he can’t due that, he would have to deny his messiah and that ain’t gonna happen, ever!

D-fusit on June 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Obama’s Full-Service Politboro:

“We monitor your thoughts. So you don’t have to.”

kingsjester on June 6, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Here’s a thought,, Obama & politburo: ‘kiss my azz’. I am putting it out t there so you don ‘t have to use precious resources and monitor my phone…and/or my thouhgts :)…our thoughts are belong to us :)…there’s a thought for you :)

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM

You directly supported these infringements with your vote.

We did not.

Congratulations.

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 1:06 PM
Did you vote in 2004?

segasagez on June 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM

And scene.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM

You know he can’t due that, he would have to deny his messiah and that ain’t gonna happen, ever!

D-fusit on June 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM

I levy constant attacks on the Obama Administration, as any honest reader of my comments here would agree. And in social media I’m significantly more critical of the President.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 1:26 PM

He can’t say anything bad about Barry, he’s afraid he will lose his shot at tenure.

slickwillie2001 on June 6, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Hahaha, you don’t know anything about the academy. Liberal arts faculty are overwhelmingly critical of the President and have been so from the beginning. Good grief…

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM

I levy constant attacks on the Obama Administration, as any honest reader of my comments here would agree. And in social media I’m significantly more critical of the President.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 1:26 PM

So I take that as a no. Thanks for playing.

D-fusit on June 6, 2013 at 1:33 PM

If you read the small print on your Obamaphone contracts it says you agree to allow the Obama administration to have access to all of your phone records, listen in on your conversations & track you through the GPS equipment/technology on cell phone towers. It is a 3 1/2 year contract (the end of Obama’s term”.

Obama just decided to extad this free ‘service’ the the rest of Americans!

easyt65 on June 6, 2013 at 1:33 PM

(Obama just decided to EXTEND this free ‘service’ the the rest of Americans!)

easyt65 on June 6, 2013 at 1:33 PM

You directly supported these infringements with your vote.
 
We did not.
 
Congratulations.
 
rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 1:06 PM

 
Did you vote in 2004?
 
segasagez on June 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM

 
Yes.
 
And you in 2008? 2012?
 
Same question, segasagez. Did you know about the increase of wiretapping abuses and supported it, or were you uninformed and just voted for the (D)?
 

And scene.
 
libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM

 
You’re flailing. As always, but still.
 
You either supported these actions or were uninformed about them.
 
You voted for this administration, and then voted for them again.
 
This man is doing what you encouraged him to do.
 
Congratulations.

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 1:35 PM

libnotfreeordie, just once, just once, stand for liberty, you little weasel.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Now, that’s a crazy, outlandish thought that I believe needs to be monitored by NSA :)…

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Same question, segasagez. Did you know about the increase of wiretapping abuses and supported it, or were you uninformed and just voted for the (D)?

There was no increase. It’s the exact same program.

I don’t support the program, and will support a politicians who would end the program. I don’t support the Patriot Act at all, and will support politicians that vote to end it.

Who did you vote for in 2004? If you voted for Bush, you voted for a President that put in place this exact program with the exact parameters we’re discussing today.

segasagez on June 6, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Did you vote in 2004?

segasagez on June 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM

And scene.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Two mental and physical midgets on display

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 1:44 PM

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM

…and Goebbels just married the turf around the cemetery.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 1:45 PM

segasagez on June 6, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Mental midgets – two wrongs never makes one right.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Now, that’s a crazy, outlandish thought that I believe needs to be monitored by NSA :)…

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

The ACLU should not approve.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 1:47 PM

libtards’ brains are smaller than gnats’.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 1:48 PM

Same question, segasagez. Did you know about the increase of wiretapping abuses and supported it, or were you uninformed and just voted for the (D)?

 
There was no increase. It’s the exact same program…
 
segasagez on June 6, 2013 at 1:41 PM

 
So we’ll mark you down under “uninformed”.
 

between 2009 and 2011 the combined number of original orders for pen registers and trap and trace devices used to spy on phones increased by 60%, from 23,535 in 2009 to 37,616 in 2011.
 
During that same time period, the number of people whose telephones were the subject of pen register and trap and trace surveillance more than tripled. In fact, more people were subjected to pen register and trap and trace surveillance in the past two years than in the entire previous decade…
 
The number of authorizations the Justice Department received to use these devices on individuals’ email and network data increased 361% between 2009 and 2011.
 
http://tinyurl.com/cbg5jas

 
Thanks for the confirmation.

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Thanks for the confirmation.

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Those are two completely separate programs. Are you discussing the executive order applied to Verizon, or the DOJ requests?

segasagez on June 6, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Apples and oranges

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Oh, sorry. I forgot this part:
 

Who did you vote for in 2004?

 
Badnarik.
 

If you voted for Bush, you voted for a President that put in place this exact program with the exact parameters we’re discussing today.
 
segasagez on June 6, 2013 at 1:41 PM

 
That’s why I didn’t vote for him. Thanks for playing.
 
But you did vote for Obama, right? Both times?
 
Meaning you supported and are directly responsible for these infringements.
 
How did I hear it put one time? Oh yeah:
 

you voted for a President that put in place this exact program with the exact parameters we’re discussing today.

 
Comically, that same guy said:
 

I don’t support the program, and will support a politicians who would end the program. I don’t support the Patriot Act at all, and will support politicians that vote to end it.

 
Not if you voted for Obama.
 
And you did, right?
 
You voted for this administration, and then voted for them again.
 
This man is doing what you encouraged him to do.
 
Congratulations.

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM

I

levy constant attacks on the Obama Administration, as any honest reader of my comments here would agree. And in social media I’m significantly more critical of the President.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 1:26 PM

No, you’re not, that’s a lie. What you do, to deflect from questions that are levelled at you and that you never answer because if you did, it would paint you either as a humongous double-standard hypocrite or as an uninformed moron…the jury is still out, I suppose, should you decide to ever answer the questions that you avoid like leprosis….so your ‘constant attacks’ on O administration (bwahahah, I cannot say that with a straight voice) are nothing more than glossing over his actions when you are confronted with your own double standards and hypocrisy on these matters, and and go someing like: ‘yes, I am against the drone attacks by this administration, they are horrible, horrible, people, but hey, listen, O’s advancing my every other social justice goal/agenda that is the wet dream of any liberal like moi, henceforth I will close my eyes to anything else he does or when he and his thugs are in violation of our laws and the Constitution, as long as it does not touch me personally in ay way… yeah, am sure that was e prevalent thought in both Hitler’s and Stalin’s quarters…’in the latter’s case, the Trotskists andd many who followed and who were initially on the side of the ‘Revolution’, learned it the hard way….sorry, but this is pretty much your argument and that’s what your ‘constant attacks’ on the Obama admin amount to…so you acknowledge that there’s something fundamentally wrong with the way he runs the country (you’d have to be stupid not to), but you don’t bave a d you prefer to counteract with silly, kindergrtenlevel ‘arguments’ like ‘but, but, but Boosh did that too…’,.and for the record, Bush was a little child compared to the abuses by this thuggish administration, as it started to unfold….so,myeh, libfree, you are a poser and a lretended, ou, sir, are not the real thing…piece of advce: don’t even try, you fail miserably every single time…

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Secret man caves

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Straight face that is…

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Congratulations.

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 1:35 PM

You’re interested in partisan fights. I think that’s boring. You voted for Bush in 2004 knowing good and well that the Patriot Act violated the constitution. I voted for Obama in 2012 knowing good and well that his civil liberties and foreign policy were an exact replica of the much-maligned Bush Administration. You literally are so petty that all you have to go on is that Obama’s elections were more recent, therefore you’re totally absolved of all responsibility in supporting an out of control executive branch (even though you spent 2000-2008 arguing for executive privilege). If a GOP President wins in 2016 you will instantly return to being supportive of these kinds of policies. Like, I don’t know what that life is like for you, but it looks empty, sad and shallow from my end. Enjoy it, I guess.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Thanks for the confirmation.
 
rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM

 
Those are two completely separate programs. Are you discussing the executive order applied to Verizon, or the DOJ requests?
 
segasagez on June 6, 2013 at 1:59 PM

 
The administration’s actions and overall attitude. You know, what you chose to chime in about.
 
Please keep up.

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM

I can’t really deal with you unti you learn to form a complete sentence.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM

pretender, thatmis…ah, now the (not so) good Professor will irip into my typos :)…but hey, there’s always the iphone to blame :)

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 2:06 PM

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM

I can’t really deal with you unti you learn to form a complete sentence.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Yu can ‘t deal with anyone who exposes you for the fraud that you are…period…so, don’t even try…

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 2:07 PM

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Unless you also criticized Bush on these issues you just don’t have a leg to stand on. Iphone or not.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:08 PM

The new Obama order covers not only phone calls overseas with the specific goal of counterterrorism surveillance, but ALL domestic calls by Verizon customers over at least a three-month period.

Trevor Timm, a digital rights analyst at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, called the order “shockingly broad.”

“Not only are they intercepting call data into and out of the country, but they are intercepting all call data in the United States, which goes far beyond what the FISA Amendments Act allows,” Timm said.

“This is an abuse of the Patriot Act on a massive scale,” said Gregory Nojeim, senior counsel at the Center for Democracy and Technology. “Since the law requires that the telephone records sought be relevant to an investigation, it appears that the FBI and the NSA may have launched the broadest investigation in history because everyone’s telephone calls seem to be relevant to it.”

…The “top secret” order issued in April by a judge on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court at the request of the FBI instructs the telecommunications giant Verizon to provide the NSA with daily reports of “all call detail records or ‘telephony metadata’ created by Verizon for communications (i) between the United States and abroad; or (ii) wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls.”

As usual, Obama was against it before he was for it:

It had not previously been confirmed that the Obama administration was conducting similar broad surveillance of calling patterns. However, in 2008 Congress amended the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to give explicit legal authority to aspects of the program President George W. Bush initiated without requiring a future blessing from lawmakers.

Then-presidential candidate Barack Obama opposed the legislation during his primary battle with Hillary Clinton. However, he reversed course shortly after clinching the nomination and voted for a modified version of the bill.

Resist We Much on June 6, 2013 at 2:09 PM

It had not previously been confirmed that the Obama administration was conducting similar broad surveillance of calling patterns. However, in 2008 Congress amended the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to give explicit legal authority to aspects of the program President George W. Bush initiated without requiring a future blessing from lawmakers.

Then-presidential candidate Barack Obama opposed the legislation during his primary battle with Hillary Clinton. However, he reversed course shortly after clinching the nomination and voted for a modified version of the bill.
Resist We Much on June 6, 2013 at 2:09 PM

If you follow progressive media, this reversal was the first sign to those of us on the Left that Obama was not one of us.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM

segsagez is a liar.

Explosion under Obama…from a leftie reporter, with a still functioning brain.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Who did you vote for in 2004?
 
segasagez on June 6, 2013 at 1:41 PM

 
Badnarik.
 
rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM

 

Congratulations.
 
rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 1:35 PM

 
You voted for Bush in 2004 …
 
libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:04 PM

 
Well done, professor.

 
Again, congratulations on your direct support of this administration’s actions.

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM

If you follow progressive media, this reversal was the first sign to those of us on the Left that Obama was not one of us.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM

He isn’t, but you consume his shit anyway.

The schadenfreude is intense, toward the entire world. Nobel turns in his grave.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 2:13 PM

The video was just shown of Holder testifying before Congress today in which THIS went on:

Holder was asked if the Obama administration / HOLDER spied on members of Congress through wire-tapping, phone records, & pulling e-mails – which might give the Obama administration some measure of leverage over Congress – & Holder REFUSED to answer the question!

HOLY SHI’ITE!!!

The Congress man cut Holder off as he said he would entertain the idea of coming back another day when he was NOT on Television & talk to them about that question & said to Holder THIS is where you should be eagerly answering ‘NO’!

Holder’s answer tells you everything you need to know — THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SPIED ON CONGRESS!!! If this @$$hole does not go to jail NOW then the Congress & our whole government is beyond saving!

easyt65 on June 6, 2013 at 2:14 PM

I don’t know what that life is like for you, but it looks empty, sad and shallow from my end. Enjoy it, I guess.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Like we don’t know what life is like for you (though we can alwaysguess) , but it looks full , round and fulfilled :)…, am sure Liberace is envious from his grave :)

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I can’t really deal with you unti you learn to form a complete sentence.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM

This, from a professor who can’t form a correct short English sentence, is risible.

Plus, aren’t you supposed to be the “feeling” and “humanitarian” “enlightened” and “tolerant” one?

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Again, congratulations on your direct support of this administration’s actions.

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Congratulations on voting 3rd party so you would be able to say “I’m not responsible” on online forums. Meanwhile, intellectually serious people are working on how to oppose the rhetoric of permanent war. Do let us know when you’ve quit masturbating over your foresight in voting Constitution party and join the adult conversation.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:16 PM

He isn’t, but you consume his shit anyway.

……..Girl…..

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:17 PM

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Unless you also criticized Bush on these issues you just don’t have a leg to stand on. Iphone or not.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Is Boosh the sitting US president? Nope. Was I a US citizen and living in the US when Bush was president?? No. So, how about you shut up and talk about things that you have a clue about.

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Plus, aren’t you supposed to be the “feeling” and “humanitarian” “enlightened” and “tolerant” one?

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 2:15 PM

You have all these fantasies about me. I can’t possibly be all the liberals you’ve ever wanted to yell at dude. Pump your brakes smoothly about three times.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:19 PM

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:19 PM

You s/b just one liberal, a true one, just once, alas.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 2:20 PM

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:19 PM

No fantasies at all. You provide concrete evidence, repeatedly.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Again, congratulations on your direct support of this administration’s actions.
 
rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM

 
Congratulations on voting 3rd party so you would be able to say “I’m not responsible” on online forums. Meanwhile, intellectually serious people are working on how to oppose the rhetoric of permanent war. Do let us know when you’ve quit masturbating over your foresight in voting Constitution party and join the adult conversation.
 
libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:16 PM

 
Don’t blame others for your lack of conviction.
 
Remember when you had it, btw?
 

Please do not confuse the war mongering Democratic party with the American left. …
 
this is why I voted Green in 2000 and 2004.
 
libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 9:52 PM

 
February 2012.
 
Say, that was before the re-election, wasn’t it?

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 2:22 PM

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:17 PM

May you all suffocate from it, you fools. He has you fooled like no other ever did/will.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 2:23 PM

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Nailed the hypocrite, to perfection.

Schadenfreude on June 6, 2013 at 2:24 PM

I can’t possibly be all the liberals you’ve ever wanted to yell at dude.

libfreeordie on June 6, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Why, Yes, you can, you are like the poster child for all the liberals :) as for you being in Schade’s fantasies, I guess that’s for him to answer :), but methinks you more likely populate his nightmares than his fantasies :)…

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Please do not confuse the war mongering Democratic party with the American left. …

this is why I voted Green in 2000 and 2004.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 9:52 PM

February 2012.

Say, that was before the re-election, wasn’t it?

rogerb on June 6, 2013 at 2:22 PM

OMG! Hahaha…you can’t make this sheize up, coz it’s libfree’s Feb 2012 sheize :)..so, Professor, were you you not joiing the adult conversation in 2012 and if so, why not?? :)…or you have only matured this past year :)

jimver on June 6, 2013 at 2:29 PM

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