Poll: Two-thirds of uninsured Americans don’t know if they’ll insure through ObamaCare

posted at 4:01 pm on June 4, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

The Obama administration has been getting visibly frantic about their campaign to ‘inform’ the public about the ‘benefits’ of ObamaCare, i.e., convince Americans to sign up for the included insurance plans en masse — because they are well aware that unless they can get large numbers of people into the system early on, the whole thing doesn’t stand a chance. Without Americans’ hefty participation, most especially the young and healthy, the “affordable” part of the law’s title most definitely won’t be, since insurance companies won’t have enough low-cost participants to balance out the heightened and more expensive risk pools into which they are being co-opted.

Hence, the recent revelation about HHS Secretary Sebelius’s wildly sketchy push to solicit ‘voluntary’ funds from the very same companies and organizations over which ObamaCare now affords her executive department massive regulatory control, about which she was questioned today in a Congressional hearing today and testified that she has made on behalf of the non-profit Enroll America:

“Three were to discuss the organization and suggest the entities look at the organization,” Sebelius testified at a House hearing Tuesday. The other two phone calls, to officials at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and H&R Block, were direct solicitations for fundraising. Sebelius said that she did not request a specific level of donation from those two companies.

Sebelius made the three outreach phone calls to Johnson & Johnson, Ascension Health, a Catholic hospital system, and health insurer Kaiser Permanente. She pushed back on multiple reports that officials at these companies, which the Health and Human Services department regulates, felt pressure to donate to Enroll America after the conversation.

“If they felt pressure, they misunderstood,” she said. “I can’t answer what they felt. I can tell you that … I have made fundraising solicitations to two groups and I did not discuss funding with the other three entities. I did discuss Enroll America.”

You “can’t answer what they felt”? …Fancy a guess, perhaps?

The Obama administration, of course, has every reason in the world to worry, according to at least one new poll. CNBC reports:

Nearly two-thirds of Americans who currently lack health insurance don’t know yet if they will purchase that coverage by the Jan. 1 deadline set by the ACA, a new survey revealed Monday.

And less than half of those in the survey released by InsuranceQuotes.com think they’ll get better health care after Obamacare takes full effect. Nearly 50 percent believe the ACA will make it more difficult for them to get tests and procedures done in a timely manner, according to the phone survey of 1,001 adult Americans conducted in early May. …

Laura Adams, senior insurance analyst at InsuranceQuotes.com, said public uncertainty about Obamacare—particularly a lack of commitment to signing up—could end up driving up health-insurance costs under the program because not enough healthy people will participate to offset benefits payouts.

This could spell disaster for the Obama administration and the Democrats if they don’t fix it soon. They have no choice but to put on a brave face and fully embrace the law in the run-up to the 2014 midterms, but their desperation in getting the system operational in time is only getting more and more apparent.


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that gal is like Esmerelda, the Ice Queen.

Heartless, cold, and evil….

ted c on June 4, 2013 at 4:04 PM

That means 2/3 won’t. Why bother? ObamaCare has no teeth for enforcement, and there is no point in paying any premiums until one becomes ill because insurers can turn no one away.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Poll: Two-thirds of uninsured Americans don’t know if they’ll insure through ObamaCare

It’s a feature, not a bug.

For a family of 5, the ‘Bronze’ Obamacare plan will cost $20,000 per year.

For that same family, the ‘taaa-penalty’ will run $450 per year.

They might be uninsured, but they don’t appear to be stupid.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Sebelius, the Queen of Death.

22044 on June 4, 2013 at 4:11 PM

That means 2/3 won’t. Why bother? ObamaCare has no teeth for enforcement, and there is no point in paying any premiums until one becomes ill because insurers can turn no one away.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 4:05 PM

No teeth for enforcement???…how about 25,000 IRS agents???

PatriotRider on June 4, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Its failure, unfortunately, will only increase the cries for a nationalized one-payer system. Unless of course they’re outshouted by those who stand for reason and common sense.

FerdtheMoonCat on June 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

No teeth for enforcement???…how about 25,000 IRS agents???

PatriotRider on June 4, 2013 at 4:12 PM

It’s true. The IRS can only take the penalty out of any tax refunds due. It cannot sue or levy to get the money.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Yeah. I just figure I can afford my house payment, but can’t afford to pay twice that much for Obamacare.

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

How many of these low information citizens (yes, the same ones that elected Jugears – twice!) will even know they’ll be required to purchase health insurance?

pain train on June 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

It’s true. The IRS can only take the penalty out of any tax refunds due. It cannot sue or levy to get the money.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Wow. So just don’t over-withhold. Ever.

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:15 PM

No teeth for enforcement???…how about 25,000 IRS agents???

PatriotRider on June 4, 2013 at 4:12 PM

The only thing they can do is withhold the fine from your tax return if you have money coming back to you. The law was specifically written without enforcement. In fact it bars enforcement. The IRS invented the tax return withholding measure on their own since the law doesn’t specifically bar it. And we all know premiums are going to spike. So whats a young person to do? Pay insane premiums, or run the risk of not getting a few dollars back when they file? I know what I would do.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 4:17 PM

How many of these low information citizens (yes, the same ones that elected Jugears – twice!) will even know they’ll be required to purchase health insurance?

pain train on June 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

I know there are a few of my neighbors that I’m going to take great delight in seeing when they finally understand that their entire life has been swindled away from them.

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Aw c’mon kids,m sign up! You’ll especially like the mandatory Intimate Partner Violence Prevention Counseling.

Akzed on June 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Wow. So just don’t over-withhold. Ever.

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Which no one should ever do anyway.

People who get all excited about getting tax refunds confuse me. A tax refund means that you’ve let the federal government keep more of your money than they are entitled to, and have let them do it interest-free.

Getting a refund because of one of the (absurd) credits like EITC that can “refund” money you never paid in is one thing. Getting a refund because you voluntarily let the IRS hold money you didn’t owe is ridiculous.

Shump on June 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

So when the entirety of America finds out that they are being targeted by the IRS on political grounds, what happens?

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

I know there are a few of my neighbors that I’m going to take great delight in seeing when they finally understand that their entire life has been swindled away from them.

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:18 PM

That makes two of us.

Liam on June 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

80% of Americans were happy /satisfied with the health care before. The reason that the totalitarian state had to take over was for the 10% (30 million) that did not have insurance. Now we learn that of those 30 million only 10 million are going to get benefits to the detriment of the 90%. Also premiums have doubled and at a faster rate than at anytime in our history. It’s a good thing that all the communist democrats have only our best interests at heart.

This is what SMART POWER looks like.

jukin3 on June 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

ROFL

20 grand for the basic plan…ok, yeah, for the national earnings average of $50,000? Good luck with that.

Bishop on June 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM

We had 85% of the legal population insured before this mess took off, if you do the math they are basically saying the same 30-35 million won’t be insured.

DanMan on June 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM

ROFL

20 grand for the basic plan…ok, yeah, for the national earnings average of $50,000? Good luck with that.

Bishop on June 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM

And rural America where earnings are lower?

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Shump on June 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

I always prefer paying to getting back and you’ve nailed the reason why.

DanMan on June 4, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Free healthcare is a human right! You teabilly rethuglikkkan wingnuts just want to oppress miniorites and denyhealthcare to women!

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 4:25 PM

And the IRS is going to enforce after the debacle they are dealing with now? If it hadn’t happened by then, the IRS really would be torn up by the roots.

Bishop on June 4, 2013 at 4:25 PM

I am a citizen, not a subject.
I changed my W4 to make sure there is no refund, only tax owed.
I refuse to comply…I will not be assimilated.
III

dirtengineer on June 4, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Shump on June 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Dude..I use to assist in enrollment for new hires before the benefit portion.
I had people (young) take out xtra with holding so they would get a bigger return.
I told this guy..why on earth would you give the Govt a free loan! Save and invest the $ yourself.
His reply? Paraphrasing but that way he would be sure not to spend it….stupid @#$@.

The majority of young healthy males I encounter now-top demo that waives health coverage.
They will take the $95 dollar tax.

bazil9 on June 4, 2013 at 4:26 PM

They passed it and the folks found out what’s in it, and what isn’t, and they hate it…there, Nancy.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Americans simply don’t know what’s good for them.

The IRS will jump into action and new ‘taxes’ will be levied to ensure compliance.

Never fear.

The government will take what it wants.

One way or another.

catmman on June 4, 2013 at 4:28 PM

The penalty for 2014 is $95 or 1% of income, which ever is greater.

rw on June 4, 2013 at 4:28 PM

20 grand for the basic plan…ok, yeah, for the national earnings average of $50,000? Good luck with that.

Bishop on June 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM
And rural America where earnings are lower?

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:24 PM

That is where the subsidies come in…er our of your pocket.

bazil9 on June 4, 2013 at 4:30 PM

And the IRS is going to enforce after the debacle they are dealing with now? If it hadn’t happened by then, the IRS really would be torn up by the roots.

Bishop on June 4, 2013 at 4:25 PM

I think that is why they thought they would deal with scandal now. I think they thought it would buy them time to push back Obamacare until after the election. “Give us just one year delay to fix the IRS, then we’ll implement O-care”. Might still be the plan.

I agree though. If this disaster gets rolled out on it’s original timetable, it’s a quick end to at least the IRS.

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:30 PM

OT… sort of. Looks like Hillary may have had a face lift in preparation for 2016.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2335505/Hillary-Clinton-CFDA-Fashion-Awards-2013-Im-going-pitch-Bravo-Project-Pantsuit.html

Fallon on June 4, 2013 at 4:32 PM

They passed it and the folks found out what’s in it, and what isn’t, and they hate it…there, Nancy.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2013 at 4:28 PM

But what they still don’t know is what is in those 20,000 pages (at last count) of regulations. That might be the real killer, especially when contradictory regs come into play.

I can see a new field for lawyers: Health Care Attorney, like there are Social Security advocates for disabled people who have been denied benefits.

Liam on June 4, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Cruella DeVille…

Akzed on June 4, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Its failure, unfortunately, will only increase the cries for a nationalized one-payer system. Unless of course they’re outshouted by those who stand for reason and common sense.

FerdtheMoonCat on June 4, 2013 at 4:13 PM

And how exactly will shouting be heard? The MSM will ensure that those that oppose their god king will have no place to shout from.

Dr. Frank Enstine on June 4, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Free healthcare is a human right! You teabilly rethuglikkkan wingnuts just want to oppress miniorites and denyhealthcare to women!

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Whichever D in 2016

They’ll say “Obama’care’ is not working, we need single payer.”

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Cruella DeVille…

Akzed on June 4, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Darth Cruella. Of course that would imply that someone else is the emperor. And I always kind of pegged her as the emperor type.

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Whichever D in 2016

They’ll say “Obama’care’ is not working, we need single payer.”

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Obamacare -> Hillarycare.

Yay liberty!

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Whichever D in 2016

They’ll say “Obama’care’ is not working, we need single payer.”

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Nah. Rubio will fix it in January of 2015. But it will be tied to immigration. Which will be tied to border security.

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:38 PM

All they need to do is tweak it to throw you in jail if you don’t have coverage. I’m pretty sure Hillary said as much during one of her healthcare speeches. Next they have to get a few high profile people. Not low info or poverty people but, well off conservatives and throw them in jail with lots of press endlessly crying about what bad people they are. Then the holdouts will fall all over each other to get insured. Problem solved.

Dr. Frank Enstine on June 4, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Doomed, we are.

TX-96 on June 4, 2013 at 4:39 PM

They’ll say “Obama’care’ is not working, we need single payer.”

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2013 at 4:34 PM

And they will say it is the R’s fault because they needed more $ to fund it properly and implement.

Via Harry c@ck suck Reid-setting the stage:http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/297333-reid-says-more-funding-is-needed-to-prevent-healthcare-law-from-becoming-a-train-wreck

bazil9 on June 4, 2013 at 4:40 PM

It won’t be insurance anyhow, it’ll be some weird kind of maintenance thing. Car insurance that paid for oil changes and brakes, and pre-existing body damage, would not be insurance.

Most people sucked into this maw will get subsidies from the govt to pay for it, and it will run worse than anyone even imagines: guarantying that the age old dream of Satan -single payer in the US- will come to pass.

And the people rejoiced.

Akzed on June 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM

All they need to do is tweak it to throw you in jail if you don’t have coverage. I’m pretty sure Hillary said as much during one of her healthcare speeches. Next they have to get a few high profile people. Not low info or poverty people but, well off conservatives and throw them in jail with lots of press endlessly crying about what bad people they are. Then the holdouts will fall all over each other to get insured. Problem solved.

Dr. Frank Enstine on June 4, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Three hots and a cot? And free health care? Heck, if you faked conversion to Islam you’d probably get at least basic cable, a garden, and a private sweet.

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Sweet -> suite. Private suite.

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:44 PM

What we need is a Gang of Umpteen in the senate to tweak it a little and everything will be fine. McCain, Graham, Schumer, you know, those guys. They’re a regular bunch of Mr. Fixits!

Akzed on June 4, 2013 at 4:45 PM

80% of Americans were happy /satisfied with the health care before

You mean those Americans happily sitting in their cubicles, unaware that the high cost of healthcare is taking a huge cut out of every corporation’s bottom line, making US industry less competitive in the global economy?

News flash- the status quo is not sustainable, and far better healthcare models exist in the world.

Predictions of insurance rates exploding out of control are a myth.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/05/24/unexpected-health-insurance-rate-shock-california-obamacare-insurance-exchange-announces-premium-rates/

More importantly, the changes introduced by Obamacare are driving billions of venture capital dollars into healthcare innovation. You shouldn’t underestimate the power of American innovation to usher in a new era of healthcare efficiency and price transparency.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

News flash- the status quo is not sustainable, and far better healthcare models exist in the world.

Predictions of insurance rates exploding out of control are a myth.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/05/24/unexpected-health-insurance-rate-shock-california-obamacare-insurance-exchange-announces-premium-rates/

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

His Forbes colleagues obliterated his awful analysis.

Rates are going up. Be sure of it.

Chuck Schick on June 4, 2013 at 4:49 PM

a new era of healthcare efficiency and price transparency.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

That’s rich… do you ever get sick of vomiting forth lies?

ShadowsPawn on June 4, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Soooo, people will opt to pay the penalty, insurance companies will suffer and die, and we’ll end up with a single-payer system?

Huh. Imagine that!

hawksruleva on June 4, 2013 at 4:56 PM

News flash- the status quo is not sustainable, and far better healthcare models exist in the world.

Predictions of insurance rates exploding out of control are a myth.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/05/24/unexpected-health-insurance-rate-shock-california-obamacare-insurance-exchange-announces-premium-rates/

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

His Forbes colleagues obliterated his awful analysis.

Rates are going up. Be sure of it.

Chuck Schick on June 4, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Look at the numbers released by California insurers. It’s publicly available and very clear.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Bayam..what is it you do for a living?
it sure as hell has nothing to do with insurance.

btw..”unaware that the high cost of healthcare”
and O’bama Care which was about coverage-NOT addressing the high cost of healthcare driving premiums are separate. People like to confuse the two..as you do.

Coverage does not = quality,efficiency, choice, or a boot on the neck on rising costs.

My increase this year=22%..declined specific coverage benefits to boot-higher out of pocket maximums.

Client X 39%
Client Y 23%
Client z 20%

This may at their renewal. Nope..no correlation.

bazil9 on June 4, 2013 at 4:58 PM

a new era of healthcare efficiency and price transparency.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

That’s rich… do you ever get sick of vomiting forth lies?

ShadowsPawn on June 4, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Perhaps you can begin to grasp why the current system isn’t sustainable in a highly competitive global economy, although this might exceed your monthly reading allowance:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/health/colonoscopies-explain-why-us-leads-the-world-in-health-expenditures.html?_r=2&

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:59 PM

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Rick Unger

I write from the left on Politics and Policy

Barred on June 4, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Health care question – if he chose not to have an insurance policy, would Mark Zuckerberg, for example, have to pay the penalty?

You certainly could argue that having actual cash is a form of insurance, in that it allows you to pay for medical procedures. If you’re a multi-millionaire, why do you have to sign up with Signa or some other company?

hawksruleva on June 4, 2013 at 5:00 PM

hawksruleva on June 4, 2013 at 5:00 PM

That is what Rush Limbaugh does, he just pays out of pocket. Why the heck would he need health insurance?

BeachBum on June 4, 2013 at 5:03 PM

although this might exceed your monthly reading allowance:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/health/colonoscopies-explain-why-us-leads-the-world-in-health-expenditures.html?_r=2&

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Ah yes, all of those unbiased sources. Every the annoying little prick, aren’t you. You speak of transparency in healthcare from a party that told us that we had to pass a bill to find out what’s in it. You, and your ilk, are lying fools.

ShadowsPawn on June 4, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Oh..silly me..
I forgot that the left wants seniors to have one foot on a banana leaf and the other sliding into a grave.
Who cares, they drain the system.

bazil9 on June 4, 2013 at 5:07 PM

GAO: HHS Already Rationing Enrollment in Obamacare’s Pre-Existing Condition Plan

bazil9 on June 4, 2013 at 5:05 PM

My brother in law had been enrolled in that plan. He has numerous medical conditions. Well it started at one price and then jumped over 50% so he had to drop it because he could no longer afford it. Yeah, obamacare is really fantabulous.

BeachBum on June 4, 2013 at 5:09 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/health/colonoscopies-explain-why-us-leads-the-world-in-health-expenditures.html?_r=2&

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Ah yes, all of those unbiased sources. Every the annoying little prick, aren’t you. You speak of transparency in healthcare from a party that told us that we had to pass a bill to find out what’s in it. You, and your ilk, are lying fools.

ShadowsPawn on June 4, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Tell us, specifically, what is untrue in the article?
If you want to start calling people liars, you can at least back it up with a single fact.

Is it untrue that the current model, in some cases, has systematically routed procedures away from the doctor’s office in order to capture higher fees and payments?

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Perhaps you can begin to grasp why the current system isn’t sustainable in a highly competitive global economy, although this might exceed your monthly reading allowance:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/health/colonoscopies-explain-why-us-leads-the-world-in-health-expenditures.html?_r=2&

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Perhaps, you will kindly STFU, Canuck. Until you either move to the US or become an American, no one gives a damn about your out-of-date opinion.

In the UK and Europe, countries are moving toward MORE privatisation, not less.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 5:10 PM

. Yeah, obamacare is really fantabulous.

BeachBum on June 4, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Yep..I had calls on it myself.
However, I don’t deal with that so could only tell them
who to contact.
Its a steaming pile of cow dung. May the left sink in it and choke.

bazil9 on June 4, 2013 at 5:12 PM

In the UK and Europe, countries are moving toward MORE privatisation, not less.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 5:10 PM

What an amusing right wing fantasy, that you’re part of some global movement. But if you’re referring to austerity in the UK, that’s really worked out well.
Those countries are NOT moving toward the US healthcare system.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 5:12 PM

On-topic, & important!

22044 on June 4, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Perhaps you can begin to grasp why the current system isn’t sustainable in a highly competitive global economy, although this might exceed your monthly reading allowance:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/health/colonoscopies-explain-why-us-leads-the-world-in-health-expenditures.html?_r=2&

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:59 PM

So why did you guys go and jack up insurance rates?

Chuck Schick on June 4, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Reminder:

This is brayam

22044 on June 4, 2013 at 5:18 PM

On-topic, & important!

22044 on June 4, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Death panels.
*tear.

May sebhideous rot in hell.

bazil9 on June 4, 2013 at 5:18 PM

What an amusing right wing fantasy, that you’re part of some global movement. But if you’re referring to austerity in the UK, that’s really worked out well.
Those countries are NOT moving toward the US healthcare system.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 5:12 PM

LEARN. TO. READ.

I said that health systems in the UK and Europe are moving towards MORE privatisation, not less.

And, that’s no ‘right-wing’ fantasy.

PS: No, I am not referring to austerity at all. The movement began in Sweden in the early 1990s.

Buy a clue, already.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Bayam is a Rywall?
STFU then about our system.
PS- Don’t be sending yours in need here anymore.

bazil9 on June 4, 2013 at 5:20 PM

It won’t buy one rwm..
must be free!
Why it doesn’t have one.

bazil9 on June 4, 2013 at 5:22 PM

the high cost of healthcare is taking a huge cut out of every corporation’s bottom line, making US industry less competitive in the global economy?

And Obamacare does nothing to address it.

News flash- the status quo is not sustainable, and far better healthcare models exist in the world.

bayam

And there are worse models as well….Obamacare for example.

Oh, and before I forget….liar.

xblade on June 4, 2013 at 5:38 PM

More importantly, the changes introduced by Obamacare are driving billions of venture capital dollars into healthcare innovation. You shouldn’t underestimate the power of American innovation to usher in a new era of healthcare efficiency and price transparency.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

We already lead the world in healthcare innovation. For example, the top 5 US hospitals conduct more clinical trials than any other country. We out-innovate other countries with our hands tied behind our back. Obamacare moves us in the opposite direction. Innovation is going to slow, not speed up. It won’t end entirely, but it will slow down in the US.

You can argue in favor of Obamacare all you want, but you can’t use a factual that it will increase innovation because none exists.

weaselyone on June 4, 2013 at 5:43 PM

More importantly, the changes introduced by Obamacare are driving billions of venture capital dollars into healthcare innovation.

You have to be an imbecile to believe this sh17 bayam.

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 5:46 PM

It was all part of the plan for single-payer. No surprise at all.

Philly on June 4, 2013 at 5:46 PM

I said that health systems in the UK and Europe are moving towards MORE privatisation, not less.

You might try reading about European healthcare models, which are absolutely uninterested in moving closer to the American system. Many already have a large private component, such as the German system, and in most cases ‘privatization’ is actually reform that asks patients to accept a higher co-pay or pay more out of pocket for non-essential services such as massage or gym memberships.

You can argue in favor of Obamacare all you want, but you can’t use a factual that it will increase innovation because none exists.

weaselyone on June 4, 2013 at 5:43 PM

Well that’s a good point, health innovation in the US is already very high. I was referring specifically to the management, delivery and pricing of healthcare, which looks primitive in comparison to what the Germans or Japanese experience today.
One example: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/health/colonoscopies-explain-why-us-leads-the-world-in-health-expenditures.html?_r=2&amp

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 5:55 PM

More importantly, the changes introduced by Obamacare are driving billions of venture capital dollars into healthcare innovation.

You have to be an imbecile to believe this sh17 bayam.

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 5:46 PM

It’s public news, and I wasn’t aware of any controversy:

http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/health-it-vc-funding-sees-torrid-q1

http://mercomcapital.com/spectacular-year-for-healthcare-it-with-$1.2-billion-in-vc-funding-reports-mercom-capital-group

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 5:57 PM

It’s public news, and I wasn’t aware of any controversy:

http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/health-it-vc-funding-sees-torrid-q1

http://mercomcapital.com/spectacular-year-for-healthcare-it-with-$1.2-billion-in-vc-funding-reports-mercom-capital-group

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Why do you believe this will have a better outcome than the billions of borrowed dollars into wind and solar VC?

It’s still Obama.

Chuck Schick on June 4, 2013 at 6:01 PM

You might try reading about European healthcare models, which are absolutely uninterested in moving closer to the American system. Many already have a large private component, such as the German system, and in most cases ‘privatization’ is actually reform that asks patients to accept a higher co-pay or pay more out of pocket for non-essential services such as massage or gym memberships.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 5:55 PM

Luv, I’ve actually LIVED there, done a tremendous of research on the matter, and have written about the subject for years.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Why do you believe this will have a better outcome than the billions of borrowed dollars into wind and solar VC?

It’s still Obama.

Chuck Schick on June 4, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Yep, gonna fail for sure.

22044 on June 4, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Oh, brayam, why don’t you tell your fellow Canucks to stay within their own ‘fantastic’ healthcare system and stay out of the US?

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 6:03 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nickschulz/2011/03/01/how-obamacare-is-putting-medical-innovation-in-the-hospital/

As in lots of large, unwieldy industries – such as hospitals — innovation often happens outside large, incumbent operators. ObamaCare makes competition with entrenched market actors more difficult. It will discourage experimentation with new, entrepreneurial business models in medical care. As such, ObamaCare is shaping up to be an innovation killer – something the Congress may want to consider as it mulls further changes to the nation’s health care system.

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Why do you believe this will have a better outcome than the billions of borrowed dollars into wind and solar VC?

It’s still Obama.

Chuck Schick on June 4, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Hope, change, unicorns, butterflies, lollipops, and ‘My Progressive Little Ponyland’ wishful thinking.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 6:04 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2012/10/09/obamacare-will-stifle-healthcare-innovation-making-it-a-real-pain/

The regulatory hammer pounds the market causing unacceptable outcomes. Washington all too frequently responds not by eliminating the harmful legislation, but pounds markets anew from the opposite side. The subsidies sure to follow will reward cronies and underwrite products per political expediency, even what the market disdains. No longer will customers steer medical investment through the lure of profit.

Patronage and graft will reign.

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 6:05 PM

http://www.medibid.com/blog/2012/08/obamacare-medical-device-tax-a-death-sentence-for-american-medical-innovation-jobs/

Obamacare is a big tax with many smaller taxes inside. The medical device tax will increase costs for companies that produce important devices used for a variety of purposes and wide range of complexity. These companies will pass on the extra cost to the consumer. Medicare patients will suffer the most, as they are the patients who require the most devices like oxygen tanks, wheelchairs, or knee replacements.

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 6:06 PM

http://www.spine-health.com/blog/obamacare-excise-tax-how-it-affects-new-medical-innovation

There is a provision in the bill that has recently been gaining bipartisan support for repeal: a 2.3% excise tax was placed on all medical manufacturers in this country. This provision was intended to raise $20 billion to offset some of the expenses of the Act, but will have the unintended consequence of stifling innovation in the U.S. medical device industry.

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 6:07 PM

http://www.examiner.com/article/would-obamacare-reduce-innovation-healthcare-bill-would-cause-preventable-deaths

“Would ObamaCare Kill Medical Innovation?” That’s the question posed by healthcare expert Michael Cannon. His answer is yes: “President Obama’s health plan would likely reduce such innovation, to the detriment of the entire world.”

Other experts agree. Last week, the Dean of Harvard Medical School said that the healthcare bills backed by Obama would reduce “our capacity to innovate and develop new therapies” that save lives.

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 6:08 PM

http://www.drlanny.com/blog/obamacare-punishing-medical-innovation/

2/17/13: ObamaCare effects have started in the medical industry. In the course of developing a surgical instrument I found the following evidence. The company pricing is logically by quantity, but indicates the price does not include the regulatory fee which is bundled with the collet design charge.

The collet is minor expense, but the major portion is the regulatory fee. The example is 1-5 units at $1,750 each is an additional $9500. So 1 (one) unit is now $11,250. The instrument is less than 20% of the regulatory fee. However the expense can be reduced per unit with larger purchases.

I also recently learned that a tool shop that makes for aerospace must pay $4000 regulatory fee to make simple chisels or awls for surgery. The company that sells them pays another $4000 in “regulatory fee” to the federal government. The chisels sell for under $50 retail that must cover cost of goods, product liability insurance, advertising, travel, meetings, cost of the sale, and maybe even a profit that in no way could match what the government takes out of biotech.

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 6:09 PM

bayam probably thinks zyclon-b was a fab medical innovation.

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 6:10 PM

ObamaCare — not since the Bay of Pigs has there been such an ill-conceived action by the federal government.

/ObamaBayOfPigs

Paul-Cincy on June 4, 2013 at 6:12 PM

This could spell disaster for the Obama administration and the Democrats if they don’t fix it soon.

“Fix” it how? A POS is still a POS, no matter what color you paint it.

GarandFan on June 4, 2013 at 6:28 PM

Outreach to hospitals/donors: Nice little hospital you got there. Hate to see anything happen to it.

Outreach to uninsured: Put down the bong and go to your local Acorn/Enroll America office.

PattyJ on June 4, 2013 at 6:31 PM

It’s June, stop writing the gosh darn thing and tell people what their choices are. How can they know if they will participate if you still have not told them What Is In It. It is a long time and a lot of cash spent since Mrs. Pelosi said if we passed it we would find out what was in it. What is in it and how much does it cost? A quote, and a your rate will not rise promise.

Fleuries on June 4, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Wow. So just don’t over-withhold. Ever.

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 4:15 PM

You’ll be amazed how many people don’t understand that when filing a tax return, the goal is to have the number be $0. If you are getting a refund, that means you let the government borrow your money interest-free for a whole year! I know someone who an IRS agent and she tries to tell people to “Claim your proper exemptions and quit giving the government extra money for no reason”, but they never seem to get it.

Conservative Independent on June 4, 2013 at 10:26 PM

This uninsured American is ready to be fined for noncompliance.

DaMav on June 4, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Democrats should have paid attention to the old adage. Be careful what you ask for…you might just get it.

logicman_1998 on June 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM