Laura Ingraham to Rubio: Stop dividing the GOP with immigration reform

posted at 11:21 am on June 4, 2013 by Allahpundit

She’s more cordial than the headline suggests, emphasizing that reform would be okay if Rubio and the Republicans were in charge of border security rather than Obama and Schumer et al. I’m … less confident about that than she is. Still, the clip’s useful as a demonstration of how even prominent border hawks are willing to cut Rubio slack for championing a bill that they dislike, which is remarkable insofar as passage would be impossible without his support. If you’re looking for one member of Congress who, more than any other, is singlehandedly making earned amnesty happen this year, it’s Rubio — and yet, despite the criticism ramping up lately, I think he remains basically unbruised. Partly that’s because of his conservative-media charm offensive, partly because he’s been shrewd in pounding Obama on other issues while this plays out to shore up his right-wing cred, and partly because smart righties like Ingraham don’t want to sabotage a guy with a legitimate chance to win in 2016. His response to her here, on the alleged economic benefits of mass legalization, is debatable on the merits and dubious insofar as virtually no one involved in this process in Congress is pursuing reform for that reason. Democrats wants to pad their electoral rolls with newly legalized voters and Republicans want to pass something as a goodwill gesture to Latinos. But he can sell it, can’t he? The only way he’ll be really hurt come 2016, I think, is if the bill passes and starts to go off the rails in terms of enforcement before then. Even Rubio would have trouble selling that.

He claims, by the way, that there still aren’t 60 votes in the Senate for it. At the Examiner, David Drucker’s sources are telling him the same thing:

Democratic and Republican sources working to build support for the bill agreed that garnering the necessary GOP votes would require amending the legislation to strengthen its border security components. Additionally, there are senators on both sides of the aisle who don’t support the current measure because of provisions other than border security who also must be appeased.

The bill’s supporters are now focusing their efforts on wooing as many as five Democrats who might oppose it and about two dozen Republicans described as “gettable” or “maybes” but who for now are far from a “yes” vote. (Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., is not among those targeted.) The bill is scheduled to hit the floor next Monday, and Senate Democratic leaders said it may go up for a final vote before the July 4 recess…

Republicans on the fence include Sens. Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker, of Tennessee; Kelly Ayotte, of New Hampshire; Richard Burr, of North Carolina; Dan Coats, of Indiana; Mike Crapo and Jim Risch, of Idaho; Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson, of Georgia; Orrin Hatch and Mike Lee, of Utah; Dean Heller, of Nevada; John Hoeven, of North Dakota; Mike Johanns, of Nebraska; Ron Johnson, of Wisconsin; Mark Kirk of Illinois; Rand Paul of Kentucky; Rob Portman, of Ohio; and Pat Toomey, of Pennsylvania.

That’s a lot of Republicans looking for ways to vote yes. Rubio himself is working on a way to bring them onboard by rewriting the bill’s enforcement provisions so that Congress itself, not DHS, gets to write the plan for better border security. If you read last night’s QOTD, you know how skeptical border hawks are about that. Bottom line: Schumer and the Democrats will never agree to suspend the path to citizenship until Congress, which might be controlled by Republicans in 18 months, officially confirms that the border has been secured. The Democrats might tolerate tighter security but they’ll never tolerate making amnesty contingent upon it. Which, if you go back to the beginning of this fiasco, is what Rubio claimed he’d insist upon when he talked about border-security “triggers.”

Here’s the clip, via Noah Rothman. Apropos of nothing, I’ve been wondering since Sunday night’s cultural eruption over “Game of Thrones” how long it’ll be before political media starts working “Red Wedding” metaphors into its reporting. Here, let me be the first hack out of the gate: Is the Gang of Eight bill a “Red Wedding” for conservatives? And if it is, is Rubio Robb Stark or Walder Frey? I’m leaning towards Stark just because I want Schumer to be Frey, but depending upon how the next month goes, I’m willing to revisit that analogy.


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gh on June 4, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Please see 8 USC § 1401*. It is the overwhelming consensus of constitutional scholars based upon precedent and the writings of the Framers that a natural-born citizen is an individual, who is a citizen at birth.

There are only two types of American citizens: Natural-born and naturalised.

George Romney (born to two American parents in Mexico, but registered immediately with the American consulate and never a Mexican citizen), Senator John McCain (born to two American parents in the Panama Canal Zone), Barack Obama (born to an American woman in Hawaii – or, if you believe he was born in Kenya, born to an American woman on foreign soil), Senator Marco Rubio (born to two legal, permanent residents on American soil), Senator Ted Cruz (born in Canada to an American mother), Governor Nikki Haley (born to two immigrants [I'm unsure if they were LPRs or naturalised at the time] on US soil), Senator Michael Bennett (born in India to two American parents), Congressman Chris Van Hollen (born in Pakistan to two American parents employed by the State Department), Governor Bobby Jindal (born to two legal, permanent residents) were/are ALL eligible to be President of the United States. In fact, even though Puerto Rico doesn’t have any votes in the Electoral College, its former Governor Luis Fortuño and present its present Governor Alejandro García Padilla are both eligible to run for the Presidency, too (Puerto Ricans were awarded US citizenship under the Jones–Shafroth Act of 1917).

Rubio, Cruz, Haley, Bennett, Van Hollen, Jindal, Fortuño, and Padilla are ALL eligible to run for the Presidency because they will ALL be 35 years of age or older in 2016 and are natural-born citizens.

On the other hand, former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski (born in Poland to two Polish parents), the late Congressman Tom Lantos, a Holocaust survivor (born to two Hungarian parents in Hungary), former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright (born in Czechoslovakia to two Czech parents), former Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (born in Austria to two Austrian parents), former Governor Jennifer Granholm (born in Canada to two Canadian parents) and myself (born in the UK to two British parents) will never be eligible to become President without amending the Constitution, which I am not advocating.

If you go back to the Congressional Record and read the debate for the Fourteenth Amendment, you will learn that, even its author, believed that an individual born on American soil to parents LEGALLY in the US were natural-born citizens.

The so-called ‘Anchor Baby Rule’ arose from a footnote in Justice Brennan’s opinion for the majority in Phyler v Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982). It was in this case that for the FIRST TIME individuals born to ILLEGAL aliens on American soil were to be deemed ‘natural born’ citizens.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 1:22 PM

verbaluce on June 4, 2013 at 1:02 PM

That wasn’t a slogan. It’s the right thing to do.

Now, I understand that the old-fashioned concepts of right vs. wrong are as foreign a concept to you as “responsibility for one’s own actions” but, I’ll give this a shot, anyway.

Entering the country illegally is wrong. Rewarding people who have broken our laws is wrong. Enforcing the immigration laws which are on the books, and have been ignored by your “messiah” and his administration, so they could get amnesty passed, andf have millions of new Democratic voters, is right.

Now, Francis, pull the stick out…and respond.

kingsjester on June 4, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Rubio seems to have no sense of logic. He was asked why not fix the legal immigration system separately, and he says they are inter-related because a bad legal system encourages illegal immigration. But that just argues for fixing the legal system, which could be done separately except they want to hold hostage the fixes the public wants to pass what the public doesn’t want. They are saying in effect, we know you suckers want and need X but you aint gonna get it unless you put up with getting Y up your a$$ – that’s what “comprehensive” means, chump.

It’s discouraging how much so many politicians depend on the public being stupid.

Chessplayer on June 4, 2013 at 1:29 PM

THIS! 1,0000 times THIS!

And you know what, I wouldn’t even mind that number growing. LEGAL immigrants are great!

Pattosensei on June 4, 2013 at 1:14 PM

I concur.

visions on June 4, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I don’t get the “red wedding” reference. As a non-reader or watcher of GoT, what’s so terrible about this wedding massacre scene? Is TV violence suddenly not cool anymore?

Nutstuyu on June 4, 2013 at 1:30 PM

The media are pretending border security comes before legalization.

From the New York Times: “The current bill sets up a sequence of new border measures that must be in place before illegal immigrants can gain legal status and eventually citizenship.”

From Politico: “The Senate legislation requires a series of security benchmarks before undocumented immigrants can transition into a provisional status and, a decade later, obtain a green card.”

From the Wall Street Journal: “The current immigration bill, introduced by a group of senators known as the “Gang of Eight,” would provide a pathway to citizenship to about 11 million people illegally in the U.S. and create new work-visa programs. It also would require beefed-up border security and employment verification before steps to legalize undocumented immigrants could kick in.”

http://cnsnews.com/blog/rosemary-jenks/media-still-struggling-explain-legalization-first-foundation-immigration-bill

Wigglesworth on June 4, 2013 at 1:30 PM

This bill will remain an anchor around his neck. He is contributing to his own demise.

LeftCoastRight on June 4, 2013 at 11:30 AM

No Republican will win the Presidency going forward if they don’t embrace so aspect of Immigration Reform. Passage or not, this is a no brainer move for him to make.

AYNBLAND on June 4, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Midas on June 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM

There’s context you’re missing here.
But you get a point for finally attempting some substance.

verbaluce on June 4, 2013 at 1:32 PM

“Rubio” will be a Hispanic-slur by the time the Tea Party extremists are finished soiling his name.

Capitalist Hog on June 4, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Right on time, the fat pig injects race into it.

VegasRick on June 4, 2013 at 11:32 AM

News flash: “Hispanic” is not a race.

Nutstuyu on June 4, 2013 at 1:32 PM

No hope whatsoever.

rubberneck on June 4, 2013 at 1:07 PM

What Hillary said about Obama too.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2013 at 1:33 PM

If the RW talk show hosts are like sports reporters treating Rubio like he’s Lebron having a bad week at the line. Rubio is NOT the Lebron of politics. He had his chance to “wow” the nation with the SOTU response and he blew on a bottle and was otherwise unmemorable.
No lefty is afraid of Rubio. No Dem strategist is worried about Rubio.

The ageist racialists – Rush/Levin/Allah/Ed/Ingraham and Co. are soo wrong and weak concerning Rubio. Rubio has lost his grassroots appeal and will never get it back. He’s not a war hero and he didn’t save the Olympics. In fact, WTF has Rubio done? Rubio has a 0% chance at the R nomination. He probably won’t even run.

OH and BTW – Young voters could give a sht about Rubio’s age and his rap creds. And as far as minorities are concerned Rubio is white.

At some point soon, if they don’t get serious about pointing a finger at the main proponent of the Amnesty(Rubio), conservatives will stop tuning in to these RW talk shows.

BoxHead1 on June 4, 2013 at 1:34 PM

If

BoxHead1 on June 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM

No hope whatsoever.

rubberneck on June 4, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Oh yes, lots of hope. They would inspire minorities with accomplishments, work, real hope, not line-dancing at the IRS and free phones and modern day plantation dependency.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Rubio to declare as an Independent in 3..2..1.

Rubio to declare as Democrat in 6..5..4.

oldroy on June 4, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Leave Birthers to hit their own heads on their own rocks.

verbaluce on June 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Just last week you had Phyllis Schlafly calling for GOP to court “white voters.”

Any complaints from the right? Nope. Lovely.

Capitalist Hog on June 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Sooo, you’re saying we can have the NAACP, but not the NAAWP? Bigot.

Nutstuyu on June 4, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Leave Birthers to hit their own heads on their own rocks.

verbaluce on June 4, 2013 at 1:37 PM

What do birthers have to do with your sexual practices?

Nutstuyu on June 4, 2013 at 1:40 PM

News flash: “Hispanic” is not a race.

Nutstuyu on June 4, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Neither are “white,” “Asian,” or “black” technically. But hey, don’t let my semantics get in the way of yours.

Pattosensei on June 4, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Laura giving Marco credit for being a tough personal enforcer of the border was disgusting. She is smart enough to know Rubio has never been for enforcing immigration law at any time in his political career.

I expect that kind of rump kissing from Hannity and Rush, not Laura. They should have Malkin on there next time.

Valiant on June 4, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Midas on June 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM

There’s context you’re missing here.
But you get a point for finally attempting some substance.

verbaluce on June 4, 2013 at 1:32 PM

over your gig….”style” right?

ToddPA on June 4, 2013 at 1:45 PM

It’s about time a conservative host stood up to Rubio. Limbaugh is better than Levin, who treats Rubio like a long lost son. Hannity is really an establishment Republican (and dumber than a ton of bricks), so I didn’t expect anything from him.

bw222 on June 4, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Just last week you had Phyllis Schlafly calling for GOP to court “white voters.”

Any complaints from the right? Nope. Lovely.

Capitalist Hog on June 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Look in the mirror. Find the stats on how blacks vote, you utter racist. And on courting them…you don’t court them. You hand them phones and 1001 other incentives. You are harlots of the first rate, the courters and the courted.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2013 at 1:46 PM

The USA race-relations have been set back by at least 30 years, by Obama himself.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Let’s say it again: “Enforcement first, enforcement first, enforcement first!” Why is that so hard for Rubio to understand?!

Make legalization dependent on ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION of effective border security. Then, AFTER THAT, a REASONABLE, RATIONAL process toward legalization might be an option. Most American are people of good will who will show compassion toward illegals IF their concern over border security is addressed.

Security IMPLEMENTED FIRST, first first! Just enforce the laws! What is so hard about this?

I still think Rubio has been snookered by Schumer and the libs, and because of that, I cannot support him for higher office. Even on this one critical issue, conservatives would have been better off with Charlie Crist. He NEVER would have done something like this, from political considerations alone, if nothing else.

Whitewolf7070 on June 4, 2013 at 1:48 PM

From NumbersUSA

“In preparation for the vote on the Motion to Proceed to Debate on S. 744 next Monday, June 10, we will be hosting various leaders of national organizations opposed to S. 744 (the Senate amnesty/immigration-increase bill) to answer questions from activists across the country and to arm them with the information they need to oppose the bill. Watch the webcast TODAY beginning at 4 p.m. (EDT)at StopAmnesty.com.

People, even if they could throw in border security, there’s so much other crap in this bill that it will still ruin this country.

http://www.fairus.org/_blog/Immigration_2013_Reports_and_Research/post/top-40-reasons-to-oppose-the-gang-of-eight-amnesty-bill—s-744/

TxAnn56 on June 4, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Why do so many suicidal Republicans assume all Hispanics demand amnesty??? 54% do, 40% don’t.

Why do so many Republicans refuse to do the right thing and respect 23 million unemployed American citizens and tens of millions of would-be legal immigrants respectfully waiting in line?

Why do so many Republicans want to REWARD illegal aliens with their ill-gotten goods — residency?

Why do so many Republicans denigrate American citizenship by proposing to give it away to foreign invaders?

Why do so many Republicans want to commit political suicide?

Why can’t Republicans proudly stand up for the rule of law, the 23 million unemployed, the tens of millions waiting in line?

CALL YOUR SENATORS!!!! Toll-free to the Capitol switchboard via liberal front group PICO’s number: 1-888-979-7506

Select Senator, enter ZIP code, then option 3 gets to switchboard.

Rinse, lather, repeat daily.

fred5678 on June 4, 2013 at 2:00 PM

and partly because smart righties like Ingraham don’t want to sabotage a guy with a legitimate chance to win in 2016.

Is this really worth it, though? Win what? Dem lite?

Another “electable”.

Please. No.

kim roy on June 4, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Just last week you had Phyllis Schlafly calling for GOP to court “white voters.”

Any complaints from the right? Nope. Lovely.

Capitalist Hog on June 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Look in the mirror. Find the stats on how blacks vote, you utter racist. And on courting them…you don’t court them. You hand them phones and 1001 other incentives. You are harlots of the first rate, the courters and the courted.

Schadenfreude on June 4, 2013 at 1:46 PM

How about just numbers? There are more white people out there, it only makes sense to try to court the largest group as that is where the high reward is.

It makes no sense to waste a lot of time trying to convince 10% to vote where you can concentrate on something like 60%.

If CH wants to turn it into a racial issue rather than a numbers one, then by all means build that strawman, ubut let’s keep it honest and discuss numbers as well.

kim roy on June 4, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Rubio can redeem himself not one way: put in a provision that says only US citizens can receive government benefits of whatever sort, subsidized tuition, foodstamps, unemployment payments, whatever. Heck, even say only people who have been citizens for a few years, or have paid taxes in one of the last three years or something.

Do that, and the Democrats will turn against this bill in droves. They buy votes with government money and if you threaten the gravy train, they will never vote for this bill. Then, Mr. Rubio, you can say “hey, we tried, but we couldn’t get the Democrats to support it”.

MTF on June 4, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Are you going to fold Kingsjester’s laundry?
Very low pay, I understand. Or as you might say, very low honey.

verbaluce on June 4, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Kingjester can fold his own laundry, just like I fold mine. And you can fold your own laundry too. Listen to yourself: You sound like you are saying, “Let’s keep that stream of “undocumented workers” flowing, because we all know we need them to perform menial tasks, most of them not being much better for anything else.” I didn’t notice you saying that we should relax immigration laws even further to allow more foreign nuclear physicists in. No. You are focused on people cutting lawns, cleaning house and doing laundry. I’ve got a newsflash for you: Most of the population of the U.S. mows their own lawns, plants their own flowers, cleans their own houses and does their own laundry. If I were you I’d stop decrying the class system, since you seem to love it so much.

totherightofthem on June 4, 2013 at 2:14 PM

OH and BTW – Young voters could give a sht about Rubio’s age and his rap creds. And as far as minorities are concerned Rubio is white.

At some point soon, if they don’t get serious about pointing a finger at the main proponent of the Amnesty(Rubio), conservatives will stop tuning in to these RW talk shows.

BoxHead1 on June 4, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Exactly! The Democrats will use their shiny new “White Hispanic” or “Cuban-American” cards to turn off Mestizo voters and keep them from voting Spanish-speaking identity over economics. And the MSM will work over time to transform Rubio into an awkward, uncool, and completely awful square with young voters. It’s all standard Democrat playbook that you would think the GOP would have figured out by now.

The Democrats are just better players of the identity card.

Punchenko on June 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Neither are “white,” “Asian,” or “black” technically. But hey, don’t let my semantics get in the way of yours.

Pattosensei on June 4, 2013 at 1:40 PM

“Hispanic” refers to people who identify with Hispanic culture, as in the language or heritage of Hispania. It does not refer to any particular ethnic group as in those from the Asian or African continents.

Try your baby fit on HuffPo.

Nutstuyu on June 4, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Still, the clip’s useful as a demonstration of how even prominent border hawks are willing to cut Rubio slack for championing a bill that they dislike,

Laura Ingraham is wrong, wrong, WRONG! She shouldn’t show that treasonous little worm Rubio any respect, at all. He’s a despicable piece of traitorous slime who should go straight to hell. He should have to stand trial for attacking the very foundation of the nation – of the idea of a nation – and should suffer the consequences.

Rubio is a dirtball who has no business being anywhere but in some third world sh!thole, which is what he’s trying to help turn this nation into. He is the lowest of the low – and that’s pretty friggin low considering the sub-humans, criminals, idiots, and shmendricks that populate the left. Rubio is one of them … only lower. Dirtball traitor. Ingraham should have thrown a pie at him and told him to never show his putrid face around, again. Rubio is radioactive to anyone with a brain, as the little treasonous twerp should be.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 4, 2013 at 2:27 PM

I would happily cut Rubio slack on the bill, or the border security elements. It’s a policy disagreement, and (unlike some of my nuttier brethren) I don’t expect every elected Republican to agree with me on every issue.

And I would even give him the benefit of the doubt on the details, assuming that Schumer and McCain’s people wrote all the nonsense that passes for enforcement, and the Democrats added in all the freebies.

BUT he’s had time to see it, read it, hear the critiques. And STILL he stands up and LIES to us.

That, I cannot forgive. He’s dead to me.

Adjoran on June 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

BUT he’s had time to see it, read it, hear the critiques. And STILL he stands up and LIES to us.

Adjoran on June 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Which means that your “nuttier brethren” were right about him from the start, when you were busy giving him the benefit of a doubt he doesn’t deserve.

For the record, this is not just a policy disagreement any more than Benedict Arnold had a mere policy disagreement with the Continental Congress. There are certain fundamentals of a nation which cannot be “disagreed” on, lest the nation ceases to exist. The concepts of national sovereignty and the Rule of Law are a couple of those fundamental issues. Doing away with them is not a mere “policy disagreement”.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM

I would happily cut Rubio slack on the bill, or the border security elements. It’s a policy disagreement, and (unlike some of my nuttier brethren) I don’t expect every elected Republican to agree with me on every issue.

Adjoran

Yeah, national suicide for the party and even worse, the nation is just a policy disagreement. No biggie.

xblade on June 4, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Nothing, and I mean nothing, can go forward until the border is secured from the invasion of people who do not agree with our culture and in some cases oppose our very existence. This is a primary responsibility of the US government; not codifying people here illegally to allow citizenship. We went through this in 1986 and I was tolerant of the lies given to Reagan by Ted Kenney and his Democratic allies. I am NOT tolerant on this issue now; I have learned my lesson. I do NOT trust the word of any Democrat and even that of the Republicans in the Gang of 8.

I am one who wants to believe people are honest and I want to take their word, but not on this issue; I will only be burned once.

amr on June 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Just last week you had Phyllis Schlafly calling for GOP to court “white voters.”

Any complaints from the right? Nope. Lovely.

Capitalist Hog on June 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Obviously, this would be the embodiment of all evil. White people? Ew!

HB3 on June 4, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I keep hearing from Allah that Rubio is still a viable Presidential candidate, as if repeating that statement often makes it a reality. Laura Ingraham’s also signed a letter with 150 other Conservatives opposing the Rubio amnesty. Rubio sold out his base to be a shill for amnesty after he got elected by running as being opposed to amnesty. I and many other Americans will never vote for him because he cannot be trusted.

Hera on June 4, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Rubio is not ready for prime time…..as a conservative. He may do well as a dem, however!

tomshup on June 4, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Mitch McConnell Goes All In for Reid/Schumer Amnesty

Reid said it’s his understanding that Minority Leader Mitch McConnell will allow the bill to come to the floor without having to clear a procedural vote, and Reid said he is “grateful” to his Republican colleague for not pushing for cloture.

Time to burn his phone line down.

TxAnn56 on June 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Please see 8 USC § 1401*. It is the overwhelming consensus of constitutional scholars based upon precedent and the writings of the Framers that a natural-born citizen is an individual, who is a citizen at birth.

I am not familiar with this document. Did you intend a reference with the asterisk?

There are only two types of American citizens: Natural-born and naturalised.

My understanding is that the constitution mentions three types: Native born, natural born and naturalized. It is also my understanding that the constitution trumps “consensus” but unless the supreme court makes a ruling then the situation is not settled.

Anyhow, I don’t really have a strong opinion on this but I dislike the tendency of people who resort to name-calling (“birthers”, in this case) to shut down debate.

You may be entirely correct but until the issue arises again, it’s a pointless debate.

gh on June 4, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Since when did Laura have a problem dividing the GOP? That is how she makes a living. Besides, the very fact that there is division makes it plain that not everyone sees this the same way. I realize that Laura thinks she has the right to tell everyone else what to believe…but maybe this time she is off base. BTW, should Rand Paul stop dividing the GOP with all this talk about Syria? Should Cheney stop dividing the GOP by supporting gay marriage?

How dare Rubio think for himself? The nerve of the man.

Terrye on June 4, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Rubio is trying to get his one legislative victory in preparation to run for 2016. He ought not, under any circumstances, work with the likes of Schumer on it.

AshleyTKing on June 4, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Hey White Folks,

You CAN”T win another national election ALONE.

Did u not see what happened in 2012? Mitt got a huge majority of white folks…still lost by landslide

Keep it up…white folks will be minority within 10 years..already are really

Redford on June 4, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Obama got around 39% of Americans, Redford — that’s a pretty big chunk:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/inimai-chettiar/obama-held-white-vote_b_2147484.html

But I agree, the GOP needs to up the % of American voters and will either have to moderate on economic issues or become more libertarian on social issues to up that percentage.

We also need to combat voter fraud that takes place in more urban areas more aggressively in the future as well.

Punchenko on June 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Hey Punch…I agree that if we don’t drop the crazy social issues, we are totally doomed. I don’t remember the last time a Republican won the popular vote for the WH. Libertarian on social issues….and for the minority voters..we lost them…but we have a chance to get 40% of Hispanic voters..if we don’t, it’s over. The Dem propaganda spewed towards the Hispanic community was detrimental to our party. We did nothing. I know a lot of hardworking minorities, who voted for Obama twice…why? Because they despise the Republican party. Unless that changes, we won’t win another election.

Redford on June 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Just last week you had Phyllis Schlafly calling for GOP to court “white voters.”

Any complaints from the right? Nope. Lovely.

Retard Hog

Why would there be?

You mean the corruption that Republican senator Lindsay Graham just declared had no connection to the White House?

libfreeordie

Well if Lindsay Gramnesty said it, it must be true, lol.

But I agree, the GOP needs to up the % of American voters and will either have to moderate on economic issues or become more libertarian on social issues to up that percentage.

Punchenko

Or maybe just not say things like I don’t care about half the country.

If, after about 5 – 10 years of “b”, we have reduced the illegal population and reduced the influx to much smaller numbers, we can visit enacting a path to legalization for those illegals still here.

Monkeytoe

Umm….no. Amnesty should not be on the table for some folks simply because they were able to stick it out and avoid deportation longer than others. Why should they be rewarded for wrongdoing that others were not? No to amnesty for illegals….period.

xblade on June 4, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I disagree, Rubio has been badly bruised by his actions on immigration reform. By the way, we don’t have an immigration problem as mush as we have an assimilation problem. I live in Florida and will continue to vote for Rubio for Senator, but I will not support him in the next presidential primary.

SpiderMike on June 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Hey Punch…I agree that if we don’t drop the crazy social issues, we are totally doomed. I don’t remember the last time a Republican won the popular vote for the WH.

Redford

It was a long long long time ago, back in the dark ages of 2004.

Libertarian on social issues….and for the minority voters..we lost them…but we have a chance to get 40% of Hispanic voters..if we don’t, it’s over.

Romney would have lost with 60% of the Hispanic vote.

The Dem propaganda spewed towards the Hispanic community was detrimental to our party. We did nothing.

Ummm…we gave them blanket amnesty in 1986. Did that get us 40%? That would be no.

xblade on June 4, 2013 at 5:01 PM

and for the minority voters..we lost them…but we have a chance to get 40% of Hispanic voters..if we don’t, it’s over.

Redford

And btw,40% IS losing them. But I guess we can just make it up on volume, lol.

I live in Florida and will continue to vote for Rubio for Senator, but I will not support him in the next presidential primary.

SpiderMike

You’ll continue to vote for a guy who lied to you to get elected in 2010, and who has been lying to you while pushing his amnesty bill? I guess you like being lied to.

xblade on June 4, 2013 at 5:06 PM

I’m listening on a conference call with NumbersUSA, Sessions’ office, Heritage, etal now and there will be NO enforcement for the 2 years during the “enrollment” period. Even if they hop the non-existent fence the day before the law is enacted, they can apply for asylum for an unlimited period of time and get a taxpayer funded attorney. Where I come from they call that open borders.

Since they’re not covered under Obamacare until they get their green card, it’s cheaper for employers to hire them versus unemployed Americans, e.g. veterans, disabled, teenagers.

TxAnn56 on June 4, 2013 at 5:11 PM

She’s more cordial than the headline suggests, emphasizing that reform would be okay if Rubio and the Republicans were in charge of border security rather than Obama and Schumer et al.

She is sure one stupid woman.

VorDaj on June 4, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Rubio is to the Republican party and to America what Gosnell was to late term aborted babies.

VorDaj on June 4, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Obama and Rubio – The Tag Team for the Destruction of America. And Rubio wants to be the senior partner.

Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity and Ingraham are utterly worthless.

VorDaj on June 4, 2013 at 5:25 PM

You’ll continue to vote for a guy who lied to you to get elected in 2010, and who has been lying to you while pushing his amnesty bill? I guess you like being lied to.

xblade on June 4, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Such people might as well like Obama too. Clearly Rubio and Obama are Brothers-from-another-mother.

VorDaj on June 4, 2013 at 5:28 PM

I think he (Rubio) remains basically unbruised.

I disagree, Rubio happily ran into Schumer’s lose-lose trap. If the “immigration reform” is passed Schumer and the Democrats get 20 million new Democrat voters. If the “immigration reform” is stopped by the Republicans it gives Schumer and the Democrat good standing with Hispanics and a club to bash the Republicans. And stupidly, Rubio comes out the deal losing either way and Schumer wins either way.

I actually like Marco and wish it weren’t so, but It’s good to know how naive and/or stupid Rubio is before we made the mistake of electing him to the Presidency.

RJL on June 4, 2013 at 5:57 PM

Republicans on the fence include Sens. Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker, of Tennessee

I’m from TN…Corker, who was re-elected in 2012 votes YEA, Alexander, who is up for re-election in 2014, votes NAY.

BET.ME.

I reminded both of them that TN elected GOP state House & Senate supermajorities in 2012, implying carefully that we are CONSERVATIVE in this state.

They won’t listen.

ladyingray on June 4, 2013 at 7:07 PM

At some point soon, if they don’t get serious about pointing a finger at the main proponent of the Amnesty(Rubio), conservatives will stop tuning in to these RW talk shows.

BoxHead1 on June 4, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Waaaaay ahead of you.

Cleombrotus on June 4, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Bruised? he is finished as a contender in 2016.Real conservatives will never forget his treason.Amnesty will be his albatross.He may be re-elected to the Senate,but he will never be President.Hope he is happy with his 30 pieces of silver in Hispanic votes!

redware on June 4, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Yeah, national suicide for the party and even worse, the nation is just a policy disagreement. No biggie.

xblade on June 4, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Yep. The latter is my first concern…

Gohawgs on June 4, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Time for Rubio to move along and take that tar baby with him.

claudius on June 4, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Is the Gang of Eight bill a “Red Wedding” for conservatives?

Yes.

And if it is, is Rubio Robb Stark or Walder Frey? I’m leaning towards Stark just because I want Schumer to be Frey[.]

Rubio is Roose Bolton.

(Rubio would be Roose Bolton in the books. I don’t know how the story goes on television.

Since they had Renly Baratheon and Loras Tyrell as openly gay in season one I quit watching. If the original story had been written that way, fine. But to just stick it in like that is just gratuitous.)

jaime on June 4, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Time to double down and kill this insultingly ridiculous Amnesty for Illegal Aliens bill. Thanks for the list of potential turncoats — Toomey is probably tired of hearing from me on this but I’m not tired of being on his case, especially after he screwed us on gun control.

DaMav on June 4, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Time to double down and kill this insultingly ridiculous Amnesty for Illegal Aliens bill.

DaMav on June 4, 2013 at 10:34 PM

I prefer to call it the “Giving Aid and Comfort to Invading Illegals” bill.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 4, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Hey Punch…I agree that if we don’t drop the crazy social issues, we are totally doomed. I don’t remember the last time a Republican won the popular vote for the WH.

Redford on June 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM

that’s easy, 2004.

And, don’t forget that Clinton did not win a majority of the popular vote in either 1992 or 1996. So, let’s not pretend that history is what you are claiming it is regarding the popular vote.

.and for the minority voters..we lost them…but we have a chance to get 40% of Hispanic voters..if we don’t, it’s over. The Dem propaganda spewed towards the Hispanic community was detrimental to our party. We did nothing. I know a lot of hardworking minorities, who voted for Obama twice…why? Because they despise the Republican party. Unless that changes, we won’t win another election.

Redford on June 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Where is the evidence that giving amnesty will result in increased Hispanic votes for the GOP? there is none. In fact, the evidence is the opposite. After the 1986 Amnesty by Reagan, the GOP continued to lose the Hispanic vote.

Hispanics don’t vote against the GOP because of racial issues. They vote against the GOP because they are liberal. Any claim otherwise ignores all facts. Why are all Central and South American countries leftist? Is that because Hispanics are naturally conservative?

This insane belief that the only reason Hispanics don’t vote for the GOP is because we won’t pass an amnesty is just that, insane. The dems had 60 Senators, the house and the WH and did not pass amnesty, yet they did not lose Hispanic votes. So, the idea that amnesty is what drives Hispanic votes is absurd.

Monkeytoe on June 5, 2013 at 7:59 AM

Hispanics comprised only 8.4% of the electorate in 2012.

Wigglesworth on June 5, 2013 at 8:26 AM

Rubio needs to wake up, he should know better. He can catch something incurable standing anywhere near Schumer. Now you add Durbin, Menedez & Reid and you have an epic human toxic spill. What the conversation must be like in the sauna with these nauseous breathing things.

RdLake on June 6, 2013 at 8:42 PM

This Gang of Eight bill is like the Red Wedding, Theon’s betrayal of the Stark family at Winterfell, the killing of Sansa’s wolf Lady, and Bran being thrown out of the tower by Jamie all at once. You know nothing, Rubio!

(Too much?)

Burke on June 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM

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