French Socialism at work: Curse that Amazon, “destroyer” of bookshops

posted at 8:41 pm on June 4, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

Earlier this spring, German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s administrators referred to France and their current Socialist regime as “Europe’s biggest problem child,” criticizing their “highly regulated labour market and highly developed social security system” and pointing out that “French industry is increasingly losing its competitiveness. The relocation of companies abroad continues. Profitability is meagre.”

True, true, and true. On Tuesday, the International Monetary Fund yet again lowered their projections for France’s wealth-creation potential and advised them to implement some reforms to amp up their economic competitiveness post-haste:

The IMF said in a report released Tuesday that it expects the economy to shrink 0.2 percent this year, down from a previously expected fall of 0.1 percent. It expects it to grow 0.8 percent in 2014. France’s economy is currently in recession.

The IMF warned that longstanding problems — including falling productivity and profit margins — are becoming more troubling as France’s neighbors make reforms that will boost their competitiveness.

So far, the IMF report said, France has focused largely on raising taxes in their attempts to downshift their deficit spending, and they really ought to incorporate more spending cuts into the mix; that, along with lighting a fire under their economy and fixing their abysmal 11 percent unemployment rate, needs to be their main agenda. President Hollande’s Socialist government has been beating its brains out trying to come up with ways out of the mess, and yet, no matter what they do, they just can’t seem to get the economy moving in a positive direction.

I wonder why that might be. Via the AFP:

France’s culture minister has branded online retailer Amazon a “destroyer” of bookshops…

“Today, everyone has had enough of Amazon, which, by dumping, slashes prices to get a foothold in markets only to raise them once they have established a virtual monopoly,” Culture Minister Aurelie Filippetti said.

Filippetti said that she would be examining measures that could curb Amazon’s growth in France by restricting the American giant’s ability to combine offers of free deliveries with discounts of up to five percent on cover prices…

Industrial Renewal Minister Arnaud Montebourg last month also infuriated Yahoo! by placing a series of conditions on its proposed takeover of French video-sharing site Dailymotion, causing the deal to collapse. …

The Paris government has also clashed with Apple and other hi-tech manufacturers over proposals to tax smartphones and tablets to fund French-language creative and artistic projects.

Er, excuse me, but… if “everyone has had enough of Amazon,” why is the online retailer such a threat to bookshops? Could it be because people are voluntarily choosing to save money using an efficient, convenient, and time- and money-saving service offered in the free market? Time and money that said consumers can then put to other, more productive and profitable uses? You know, the kind of thing that grows the economy?!

To summarize: The Socialists are trying to grow their economy, by specifically targeting successful companies people want to do business with penalizing taxes and regulations to “curb their growth,” because they are successful. Let’s have a big round of applause for Socialism, everybody, shall we?


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So far, the IMF report said, France has focused largely on raising taxes in their attempts to downshift their deficit spending

Sounds like the Greatest American Hero.

RickB on June 4, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Industrial Renewal Minister

Cogitate on that a minute.

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 8:46 PM

I’ll admit one of my greatest joys was schlepping around Paris and its many bookshops.

Blake on June 4, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Le Retard.

Socialists never learn, they can’t.

Well ok, HAL learned, he learned to love a cello.

Bishop on June 4, 2013 at 8:48 PM

To summarize: The Socialists are trying to grow their economy, by specifically targeting successful companies people want to do business with penalizing taxes and regulations to “curb their growth,” because they are successful. Let’s have a big round of applause for Socialism, everybody, shall we?

Well sure, ‘cause that approach has been so darn successful in……….?

Galt2009 on June 4, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Like, oh, m’god!

HB3 on June 4, 2013 at 8:51 PM

And Ford! Don’t forget Ford! Them poor horse carriage makers and horse breeders.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 8:51 PM

I’ll admit one of my greatest joys was schlepping around Paris and its many bookshops.

Blake on June 4, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Mine was trying to find a coin operated phone booth at midnight in the rain, when all the phones took French calling cards..

But that is another story…

Electrongod on June 4, 2013 at 8:51 PM

The French love misery and pathos, this should set them up in spades.

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I’ll admit one of my greatest joys was schlepping around Paris and its many bookshops.
Blake on June 4, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Commie!

HB3 on June 4, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Le Retard.

Socialists never learn, they can’t.

Bishop on June 4, 2013 at 8:48 PM

‘Tis why they change their labeling with each failure.

Marxist beget Socialism, Socialism beget Communism, Communism beget Progressivism, Progressivism will beget…

Galt2009 on June 4, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Not to mention…

* the poor reference desk librarian rendered obsolete by Google.
* the bank teller who’s been replaced by the ATM
* the buggy whip manufacturer now unemployed by the automobile.

Next, France will be shutting down its nuclear reactors (about the only thing they’ve done right) to create job for coal shovelers.

(First post since Obama’s re-election. Good to be back.)

VastRightWingConspirator on June 4, 2013 at 8:55 PM

‘Tis why they change their labeling with each failure.

Marxist beget Socialism, Socialism beget Communism, Communism beget Progressivism, Progressivism will beget…

Galt2009 on June 4, 2013 at 8:52 PM

You forgot one: Fascism (between Communism and Progressivism).

But their love affair with that label was short lived, so you’re forgiven.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 8:57 PM

‘Tis why they change their labeling with each failure.

Marxist beget Socialism, Socialism beget Communism, Communism beget Progressivism, Progressivism will beget…

Galt2009 on June 4, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Last time I checked, the founder and CEO of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, was an Obama supporter. Funny how today’s great entrepreneur capitalists generally aren’t right wing conservatives. Perhaps the right doesn’t really know that much about capitalism after all, or is only capable of regurgitating last decade’s talking points.

Do you really believe in John Galt, or not?

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 8:57 PM

(First post since Obama’s re-election. Good to be back.)

VastRightWingConspirator on June 4, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Welcome back.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 8:58 PM

aren’t right wing conservatives. Perhaps the right doesn’t really know that much about capitalism after all, or is only capable of regurgitating last decade’s talking points.

Do you really believe in John Galt, or not?

brayam on June 4, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Still no new material. Zzzzzzz. What a simple phuck.

CW on June 4, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Could it be because people are voluntarily choosing to save money using an efficient, convenient, and time- and money-saving service offered in the free market? Time and money that said consumers can then put to other, more productive and profitable uses?

In France, here’s hoping that includes the purchase of soap.

Between the internet and e-books, the actual 3-D book is becoming as archaic as the print newspaper. France makes the decision time and again to be arcahic and unproductive. They coined French words for computer jargon as opposed to sullying their language with the English/international equivilent. And then they wonder why they are not keeping up with the rest of the global economy.

Happy Nomad on June 4, 2013 at 9:02 PM

brayam on June 4, 2013 at 8:57 PM

What dimwits like yourself always ignore is the fact that some big companies don’t mind big govt that much. It keeps the little guys out.

Now can you spout something about Buffett or Rush Limbaugh. It will be like the good ole days…. you know until Obamaville really started crumbling that last month or two as his banana republic ways are becoming more and more transparent to America…oh and F uck you.

CW on June 4, 2013 at 9:02 PM

President Hollande’s Socialist government has been beating its brains out trying to come up with ways out of the mess

You mean between hor d’oeuvres?

AshleyTKing on June 4, 2013 at 9:02 PM

France has much more to worry about than Amazon:

The France/Jihadist Critical Mass

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Perhaps the right doesn’t really know that much about capitalism after all, or is only capable of regurgitating last decade’s talking points.

Do you really believe in John Galt, or not?

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Capitalism is large enough for all walks of life…

Even for China…

What was that about John Galt?

Electrongod on June 4, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Er, excuse me, but… if “everyone has had enough of Amazon,” why is the online retailer such a threat to bookshops?

When a liberal says, “Everyone,” he means only other liberals who think like he does, or those who he doesn’t label as Conservative. It’s much the same as some celeb some years ago who was exasperated Bush won the election. “How could that be? No one I know voted for him!”

Liam on June 4, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Last time I checked, the founder and CEO of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, was an Obama supporter. Funny how today’s great entrepreneur capitalists generally aren’t right wing conservatives. Perhaps the right doesn’t really know that much about capitalism after all, or is only capable of regurgitating last decade’s talking points.

Do you really believe in John Galt, or not?

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Sometimes I am rendered almost speechless by your ignorance. Ever hear of the word hubris? It seems to afflict many CEOs who think that just because they succeeded in life they have a better mouse trap in which to trap us all. Capitalism is not defined by those who practice it (or seem to think, “Capitalism for me, but not for thee). For example, HAL doesn’t call himself a fascist, but he is. And you don’t call yourself a disingenuous dim bulb with little understanding of anything, but that is what you are.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Do you really believe in John Galt, or not?

brayam on June 4, 2013 at 8:57 PM

‘Cuz, like, um, er, ya know, John Galt would, like, totally support the Hollande administration and its interference in the free market.

Poor Brayam-ing at the Moon.

The stupid, it burns.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 9:06 PM

France is a country of MORONS-nuff said.

gerrym51 on June 4, 2013 at 9:07 PM

What dimwits like yourself always ignore is the fact that some big companies don’t mind big govt that much. It keeps the little guys out.

Now can you spout something about Buffett or Rush Limbaugh. It will be like the good ole days…. you know until Obamaville really started crumbling that last month or two as his banana republic ways are becoming more and more transparent to America…oh and F uck you.

CW on June 4, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Yep. Thus perverting the meaning of capitalism. Maybe a more accurate term for leftist CEOs is cartelists.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Capitalism is large enough for all walks of life…

Even for China…

…..

Electrongod on June 4, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Interesting how that works eh?

Apple and their Chinese made devices are awesome and Brayam blows their founders every chance she gets. Gulp.

CW on June 4, 2013 at 9:08 PM

They’re just mad because they aren’t taxing 100% of Amazon’s transactions. One good thing about the French – they are always there when they need us.

ghostwalker1 on June 4, 2013 at 9:09 PM

What dimwits like yourself always ignore is the fact that some big companies don’t mind big govt that much. It keeps the little guys out.

The story of Jeff Bezos and Amazon has never included, to my knowledge, collusion with large government to keep the little guys out, as you claim. In fact, Jeff Bezos is known for actively investing in small businesses and startups. If you’re trying to compete Amazon on price, yes that’s difficult, but Amazon has faced years of losses in order to grow into what it’s achieved today.
Amazon’s foray into cloud computing has ushered in a new era of low cost web hosting and hosted software in the cloud that is one of the best thing to happen to new businesses in the last decade.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Crony capitalism is NOT free-market capitalism. It is a form of corporatism. One of its practitioner’s, Benito Mussolini, also had another name for it Fascism.

The Doctrine of Fascism by Benito Mussolini, 1932

Big Business LOVES Big Government. It always has.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Sometimes I am rendered almost speechless by your ignorance.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Her M.O. is just about always the same. Nothing new there.

CW on June 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM

France is what happens when you
run out of other people’s money.

redguy on June 4, 2013 at 9:16 PM

The story of Jeff Bezos and Amazon has never included, to my knowledge, collusion with large government to keep the little guys out, as you claim.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:10 PM

‘Cuz, like, um, er, ya know, Jeff Bezos and Amazon totally never supported the internet tax, which would have a disparate and negative impact on other smaller, online merchants. Never…AND I MEAN IT. Never, ever, evah…

Well, except when it did…

Why is Amazon Supporting an Internet Sales Tax?

NPR: Why Amazon Supports An Online Sales-Tax Bill

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 9:16 PM

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:10 PM

I guess Amazon’s support of net neutrality laws went over your radar.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 9:16 PM

The story of Jeff Bezos and Amazon has never included, to my knowledge, collusion with large government to keep the little guys out, as you claim.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:10 PM

‘Cuz, like, um, er, ya know, Jeff Bezos and Amazon totally never supported the internet tax, which would have a disparate and negative impact on other smaller, online merchants. Never…AND I MEAN IT. Never, ever, evah…

Well, except when it did…

Why is Amazon Supporting an Internet Sales Tax?

NPR: Why Amazon Supports An Online Sales-Tax Bill

Amazon Tells Lawmakers It Supports Sales Tax

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Yep. Thus perverting the meaning of capitalism. Maybe a more accurate term for leftist CEOs is cartelists.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 9:08 PM

I disagree, the right doesn’t have a monopoly on the ‘righteous’ exercise of capitalism. Yes the right continues to claim that only conservatives are true capitalists, while everyone else is a socialist or communist.

The establishment of a monopoly marks the achievement of a capitalist’s greatest goals- to maximize market share and profits. To say that it’s the sign of ‘leftist’ CEO’s is foolish.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:18 PM

‘Cuz, like, um, er, ya know, Jeff Bezos and Amazon totally never supported the internet tax, which would have a disparate and negative impact on other smaller, online merchants. Never…AND I MEAN IT. Never, ever, evah…

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 9:17 PM

That too.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 9:19 PM

The story of Jeff Bezos and Amazon has never included, to my knowledge …..
brayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:10 PM

There you go.

Seriously are you that naive to think that he gave those donations out of the goodness of his heart? Yes all of these guys know you pay to play.

Say dimwit you have been scarce lately.

I wonder why….
/

CW on June 4, 2013 at 9:20 PM

Why is Amazon Supporting an Internet Sales Tax?

NPR: Why Amazon Supports An Online Sales-Tax Bill

Amazon Tells Lawmakers It Supports Sales Tax

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 9:17 PM

The online sales tax hurts Amazon in its competition with brick and mortar players, and in the retail world, Wal-Mart is a far bigger threat to it than the little small online stores.

You might do some more research to better understand this issue, which isn’t as simple as you’re suggesting.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:21 PM

I guess Amazon’s support of net neutrality laws went over your radar.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 9:16 PM

The story of Jeff Bezos and Amazon has never included, to my knowledge, collusion with large government to keep the little guys out, as you claim.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:10 PM

‘Cuz, like, um, er, ya know, Jeff Bezos and Amazon totally never supported the internet tax, which would have a disparate and negative impact on other smaller, online merchants. Never…AND I MEAN IT. Never, ever, evah…

Well, except when it did…

Why is Amazon Supporting an Internet Sales Tax?

NPR: Why Amazon Supports An Online Sales-Tax Bill

Amazon Tells Lawmakers It Supports Sales Tax

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 9:17 PM

I predict crickets.

CW on June 4, 2013 at 9:21 PM

I disagree…

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Good for you.

The establishment of a monopoly marks the achievement of a capitalist’s greatest goals- to maximize market share and profits. To say that it’s the sign of ‘leftist’ CEO’s is foolish.

Using government regulation to achieve dominance in a market is NOT capitalism.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 9:21 PM

The online sales tax hurts Amazon in its competition with brick and mortar players, and in the retail world, Wal-Mart is a far bigger threat to it than the little small online stores.

You might do some more research to better understand this issue, which isn’t as simple as you’re suggesting.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Lol.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 9:22 PM

I recently bought something from Amazon; it was accompanied by the warning that only one was left for sale and had no reviews whatsoever.

I was quite surprised and pleased when it arrived, with swiftness, from Spain.

From Spain.

Amazon, I love you and the sellers from all around the world that I can connect with.

RushBaby on June 4, 2013 at 9:23 PM

You don’t have to be a French socialist to lament what it has done to bookstores around the country, or to long for the small Main Street shops that Wal-Mart insists it had no role in displacing.

bobs1196 on June 4, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Last time I checked, the founder and CEO of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, was an Obama supporter. Funny how today’s great entrepreneur capitalists generally aren’t right wing conservatives.

Do you really believe in John Galt, or not?

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Any individual in today’s corrupt crony culture who insists on calling himself conservative is, to my way of thinking, a complete and utter moron. You might as well announce to Stalin or Mao: “Hey! I’m a conservative capitalist. Aren’t I just wonderful?” Stupid. People who make a lot of money usually aren’t idiots.

If you say you are a conservative, you get audited, harassed, boycotted, and defunded. If you say you are liberal, you get kickbacks, a free pass, support from the mainstream media, special breaks, connections with government, etc. etc.

Of course, what Apple CEOs, Google founders, Gore, Buffet and the rest of the “liberals” actually do with their profits in terms of schemes, shelters and profligacy, well, that’s just disgusting. But, hey, it’s okay, because they’re all “liberals,” right? (At least they said they were liberals, and isn’t that the same thing?)

The “John Galts” to which Ayn Rand refers are business leaders with integrity and principle. They’re leaving, yes. The weasels and opportunists are staying in the game for a while, just as they did in “Atlas Shrugged.” It won’t end well, though.

Burke on June 4, 2013 at 9:27 PM

than the little small online stores.
bayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Why didn’t you add tiny and miniscule?/ Of course the not so small to medium size companies are not in competition with them right?/sarc

You really are an idiot.

CW on June 4, 2013 at 9:29 PM

The online sales tax hurts Amazon in its competition with brick and mortar players, and in the retail world, Wal-Mart is a far bigger threat to it than the little small online stores.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Er, it HURTS smaller, online businesses. Wal-Mart sells online, too; yet, IT ALSO SUPPORTS the imposition of an online sales tax.

You might do some more research to better understand this issue, which isn’t as simple as you’re suggesting.

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Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 9:31 PM

bigger threat to it than the little small online stores.

Now that line is killing me. Talk about a qualifier. What a dishonest bi8ch.

CW on June 4, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Antiquarian book sellers will be just fine, because they sell to collectors, but the book as a means for information gathering will be dead in 20 years with or without Amazon. This is why Amazon had to branch out in digital media and selling other stuff not related to the traditional book.

William Eaton on June 4, 2013 at 9:37 PM

The online sales tax hurts Amazon in its competition with brick and mortar players, and in the retail world, Wal-Mart is a far bigger threat to it than the little small online stores.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Thanks for admitting that Amazon DOES, in fact, have a reason to support an online sales tax. ‘Little, small, online stores’ ARE a threat to Amazon, even if a smaller one than Wal-Mart.

Of course, the fact that Amazon can withstand the imposition of online sales taxes and ‘little, small, online stores’ will have a much more difficult time. You see, it’s not as if the customers, who might have patronised those ‘little, small, online stores,’ won’t go to Amazon should those ‘little, small, online stores’ go out of business as a result.

Nah, that would NEVER happen nor could it EVAH be a plus in Amazon’s cost-benefit analysis relative to an online sales tax.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 9:40 PM

little small….saving that one.

CW on June 4, 2013 at 9:47 PM

Could it be because people are voluntarily choosing to save money using an efficient, convenient, and time- and money-saving service offered in the free market? Time and money that said consumers can then put to other, more productive and profitable uses? You know, the kind of thing that grows the economy?!

There’s plenty of opportunity in this world to allow the French to have a economy focused on the art of good living and not just economic utilitarianism. I am not defending the socialists. The French have always tried to encourage small individualistic businesses and have never like large boxed stores that could put them out of business and then hike prices and lower service.

I defy you to compare any French city – from Paris to Angers to Orleans to Cannes – to its closest American counterpart. The French city/town is usually the nicer place to live. Americans are only now figuring out how to copy at least parts of this recipe.

It’s depressing how everything here in the US is judged by its economic “efficiency”. We practically have no culture left that can withstand the so-called economic efficiency and the lowest common denominator crap that is killing this country.

So, if the French don’t want their culture killed for the sake of a few cents here or there, good for them. They’re thinking longer term. Short-term business gain is no answer for hollowed-out cultures. Take a look at most US cities. They’re becoming nothing but carbon copies of each other.

EV on June 4, 2013 at 9:48 PM

Justice: When you are punished for stealing money.

Social Justice: When you are punished for earning money.

The Rogue Tomato on June 4, 2013 at 9:48 PM

What Brayam never told us why her presence has been so rare of late…..
/

CW on June 4, 2013 at 9:49 PM

The online sales tax hurts Amazon in its competition with brick and mortar players, and in the retail world, Wal-Mart is a far bigger threat to it than the little small online stores.

You might do some more research to better understand this issue, which isn’t as simple as you’re suggesting.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Hey sport, if you had kept up with why Amazon decided to support this you would realize that it’s because they are going to launch a “Same day delivery” service which would give them a physical presence almost everywhere, which would also leave them liable to be taxed everywhere those transactions took place. They get to support the Libs ideas of internet transaction taxation because they were about to be subject to it anyway. But, facts are such pesky things….

ManWithNoParty on June 4, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Bayams version of capitalism and innovation is a few internet innovators who are reprobate leftists and use their wealth and influence to lobby congress for special provisions that ensure that their monopoly of a service is protected.

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 10:08 PM

If you say you are a conservative, you get audited, harassed, boycotted, and defunded. If you say you are liberal, you get kickbacks, a free pass, support from the mainstream media, special breaks, connections with government, etc. etc.

That’s absolute nonsense. So now you’re claiming that Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, SalesForce, and others were founded by liberals because of an unfair playing field that offered those companies unfair advantages? The online economy might be the least regulated industry in the country. Those excuses are pathetic. Anyway, many of those companies reached greatness during the Bush years.

Nah, that would NEVER happen nor could it EVAH be a plus in Amazon’s cost-benefit analysis relative to an online sales tax.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Wow, I guess you agree with the French socialists on this one- Amazon really is unfairly hurting bookstores and small online retailers!
If you believe that Amazon is more worried about small sellers than Wal-Mart, then nothing I can say will change your opinion.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 10:10 PM

Last time I checked, the founder and CEO of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, was an Obama supporter. Funny how today’s great entrepreneur capitalists generally aren’t right wing conservatives. Perhaps the right doesn’t really know that much about capitalism after all, or is only capable of regurgitating last decade’s talking points.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 8:57 PM

….jackas$!…you don’t want to be reminded HOW MANY TIMES…you have said THIS SAME SH!T…do you?
…I forget your brain is so fried…reminding you…will make you repeat it again!

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2013 at 10:12 PM

if you had kept up with why Amazon decided to support this you would realize that it’s because they are going to launch a “Same day delivery” service

That’s speculative unless you have inside information about unreleased Amazon services. Hint- you might better understand how state action to force Amazon to collect sales tax has negatively impacted local affiliates in affected areas. There’s more to the story.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 10:13 PM

That’s absolute nonsense. So now you’re claiming that Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, SalesForce, and others were founded by liberals because of an unfair playing field that offered those companies unfair advantages?….bayam on June 4, 2013 at 10:10 PM

………..huh?

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2013 at 10:14 PM

There’s more to the story.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 10:13 PM

…………..huh?

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2013 at 10:15 PM

That’s speculative unless you have inside information about unreleased Amazon services.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 10:13 PM

What we have are eyes and brains. Are these things in short supply in Canada? Did you read that article I linked? Oh, I forgot. You might not have eyes.

Bezos will never be your boyfriend sweetheart. Give it up.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 10:18 PM

The online sales tax hurts Amazon in its competition with brick and mortar players, and in the retail world, Wal-Mart is a far bigger threat to it than the little small online stores.

bayam

So Amazon is now backing online sales taxes because they’re trying to hurt themselves competitively? Pffft. They are backing it for one reason….they are expanding locations into every state and would have to collect it anyway, whether the law changes or not. Therefore, since not having to collect sales taxes no longer benefits them as it will no longer be an option for them, they don’t want it to be an option for anyone else either.

xblade on June 4, 2013 at 10:19 PM

So far, the IMF report said, France has focused largely on raising taxes in their attempts to downshift their deficit spending, and they really ought to incorporate more spending cuts into the mix; that, along with lighting a fire under their economy and fixing their abysmal 11 percent unemployment rate, needs to be their main agenda. President Hollande’s Socialist government has been beating its brains out trying to come up with ways out of the mess, and yet, no matter what they do, they just can’t seem to get the economy moving in a positive direction.

Hey!! Is it their fault they’re running out of other people’s money?!?!?

There Goes the Neighborhood on June 4, 2013 at 10:22 PM

That’s speculative unless you have inside information about unreleased Amazon services.

bayam

Yeah, we’re the clueless ones, lol. How can you not know this, Mr. Amazon expert?

xblade on June 4, 2013 at 10:23 PM

brayam on June 4, 2013 at 10:13 PM

What we have are eyes and brains. Are these things in short supply in Canada? Did you read that article I linked? Oh, I forgot. You might not have eyes.

Bezos will never be your boyfriend sweetheart. Give it up.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 10:18 PM

brayam ignores that which she does not like.

No wonder her presence was so rare recently.

CW on June 4, 2013 at 10:23 PM

The online sales tax hurts Amazon in its competition with brick and mortar players, and in the retail world, Wal-Mart is a far bigger threat to it than the little small online stores.

bayam

So Amazon is now backing online sales taxes because they’re trying to hurt themselves competitively? Pffft. They are backing it for one reason….they are expanding locations into every state and would have to collect it anyway, whether the law changes or not. Therefore, since not having to collect sales taxes no longer benefits them as it will no longer be an option for them, they don’t want it to be an option for anyone else either.

xblade on June 4, 2013 at 10:19 PM

Amazon is doing it out of their sense of fair play and patriotism…you know like Google and their taxes.

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disclaimer: brayam is a google fluffer.

CW on June 4, 2013 at 10:25 PM

That’s speculative unless you have inside information about unreleased Amazon services. Hint- you might better understand how state action to force Amazon to collect sales tax has negatively impacted local affiliates in affected areas. There’s more to the story.

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Google, it’s your…in this case…enemy. Good lord, facts are really, really pesky things…..

ManWithNoParty on June 4, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Wow, I guess you agree with the French socialists on this one- Amazon really is unfairly hurting bookstores and small online retailers!
If you believe that Amazon is more worried about small sellers than Wal-Mart, then nothing I can say will change your opinion.

You really are stupid. I believe in free market capitalism, not crony capitalism. If Amazon puts the brick-n-mortar or other online stores out of business, so be it. That’s what is called creative destruction.

What I do NOT approve of is the government’s interference in the free market, which is what Hollande is trying to do, or the crony capitalism that exists in the United States where Big Government and Big Business collude and use the power of government to their advantage.

I made NO statement here wherein I said that I supported any form of protectionism.

I support the small businesses online. Evidently, you only support behemoths that can collude with government for the benefit of both and to the detriment of small business owners and individuals.

PS: I don’t just oppose online, sales taxes, I oppose taxes, period although, if I had to choose one to the exclusion of all others, it would be a consumption tax, including one places on online purchases.

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Seriously, just how stupid do you have to be to think that John Galt would support the Hollande government in anything?

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Here comes a question: Because Amazon is seeking to expand into online grocery shopping, with delivery using its own trucks, will any Federal online tax apply to groceries if they’re not taxed in the state of purchase?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/04/net-us-amazon-grocery-idUSBRE95311Q20130604

Hint to bayam: Groceries won’t be sent by UPS from the main base in Seattle. Amazon is looking to open local warehouses, first in LA and later in Frisco this year. If it works, and it might well, they are looking to be in 40 cities by next year, some outside the US.

Liam on June 4, 2013 at 10:34 PM

IDC about the length. Here is some poignant Francisco d’Aconia

Rearden heard Bertram Scudder, outside the group, say to a girl who made some sound of indignation, “Don’t let him disturb you. You know, money is the root of all evil – and he’s the typical product of money.”

Rearden did not think that Francisco could have heard it, but he saw Francisco turning to them with a gravely courteous smile.

“So you think that money is the root of all evil?” said Francisco d’Aconia. “Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

“When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears nor all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor – your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money. Is this what you consider evil?

“Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions – and you’ll learn that man’s mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.

“But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man’s capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made – before it can be looted or mooched – made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can’t consume more than he has produced.

“To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except by the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss – the recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery – that you must offer them values, not wounds – that the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of goods. Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to men’s stupidity, but your talent to their reason; it demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer, but the best your money can find. And when men live by trade – with reason, not force, as their final arbiter – it is the best product that wins, the best performance, then man of best judgment and highest ability – and the degree of a man’s productiveness is the degree of his reward. This is the code of existence whose tool and symbol is money. Is this what you consider evil?

“But money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver. It will give you the means for the satisfaction of your desires, but it will not provide you with desires. Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality – the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind.

“Money will not purchase happiness for the man who has no concept of what he wants; money will not give him a code of values, if he’s evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if he’s evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, or admiration for the coward, or respect for the incompetent. The man who attempts to purchase the brains of his superiors to serve him, with his money replacing his judgment, ends up by becoming the victim of his inferiors. The men of intelligence desert him, but the cheats and the frauds come flocking to him, drawn by a law which he has not discovered: that no man may be smaller than his money. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

“Only the man who does not need it, is fit to inherit wealth – the man who would make his own fortune no matter where he started. If an heir is equal to his money, it serves him; if not, it destroys him. But you look on and you cry that money corrupted him. Did it? Or did he corrupt his money? Do not envy a worthless heir; his wealth is not yours and you would have done no better with it. Do not think that it should have been distributed among you; loading the world with fifty parasites instead of one would not bring back the dead virtue which was the fortune. Money is a living power that dies without its root. Money will not serve that mind that cannot match it. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

“Money is your means of survival. The verdict which you pronounce upon the source of your livelihood is the verdict you pronounce upon your life. If the source is corrupt, you have damned your own existence. Did you get your money by fraud? By pandering to men’s vices or men’s stupidity? By catering to fools, in the hope of getting more than your ability deserves? By lowering your standards? By doing work you despise for purchasers you scorn? If so, then your money will not give you a moment’s or a penny’s worth of joy. Then all the things you buy will become, not a tribute to you, but a reproach; not an achievement, but a reminder of shame. Then you’ll scream that money is evil. Evil, because it would not pinch-hit for your self-respect? Evil, because it would not let you enjoy your depravity? Is this the root of your hatred of money?

“Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?

“Or did you say it’s the love of money that’s the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It’s the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is the loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money – and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it.

“Let me give you a tip on a clue to men’s characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.

“Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper’s bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another – their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.

“But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride, or self-esteem, men who have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being rich – will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the guilt – and of his life, as he deserves.

“Then you will see the rise of the double standard – the men who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money – the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law – men who use force to seize the wealth of disarmed victims – then money becomes its creators’ avenger. Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless men, once they’ve passed a law to disarm them. But their loot becomes the magnet for other looters, who get it from them as they got it. Then the race goes, not to the ablest at production, but to those most ruthless at brutality. When force is the standard, the murderer wins over the pickpocket. And then that society vanishes, in a spread of ruins and slaughter.

“Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society’s virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion – when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing – when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors – when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you – when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice – you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that it does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot.

“Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men’s protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it becomes, marked: ‘Account overdrawn.’

“When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, ‘Who is destroying the world?’ You are.

“You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest productive civilization and you wonder why it’s crumbling around you, while you’re damning its life-blood – money. You look upon money as the savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back to the edge of your cities. Throughout men’s history, money was always seized by looters of one brand or another, but whose method remained the same: to seize wealth by force and to keep the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor of slaves – slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by somebody’s mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest, there was little to conquer. Yet through all the centuries of stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of the sword, as aristocrats of birth, as aristocrats of the bureau, and despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers – as industrialists.

“To the glory of mankind, there was, for the first and only time in history, a country of money – and I have no higher, more reverent tribute to pay to America, for this means: a country of reason, justice, freedom, production, achievement. For the first time, man’s mind and money were set free, and there were no fortunes-by-conquest, but only fortunes-by-work, and instead of swordsmen and slaves, there appeared the real maker of wealth, the greatest worker, the highest type of human being – the self-made man – the American industrialist.

“If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose – because it contains all the others – the fact that they were the people who created the phrase ‘to make money’. No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity – to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted, or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words ‘to make money’ hold the essence of human morality.

“Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters’ continents. Now the looters’ credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide – as, I think, he will.

“Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns – or dollars. Take your choice – there is no other – and your time is running out.”

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 10:35 PM

France’s policy against large companies that can put small competitors out of business – be it online or not – pre-dates Hollande by at least thirty years (if not earlier).

Anybody remember what a commotion the opening of FNAC caused? And that was back in the 80s.

This is considered neither left nor right for the French. It’s a matter of culture.

EV on June 4, 2013 at 10:37 PM

ManWithNoParty on June 4, 2013 at 10:34 PM

…(see…(:->)…I’m lurking!)

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2013 at 10:40 PM

…(see…(:->)…I’m lurking!)

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2013 at 10:40 PM

LOL!

ManWithNoParty on June 4, 2013 at 10:41 PM

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 10:35 PM

…nice!…thanks t d !

KOOLAID2 on June 4, 2013 at 10:43 PM

Why not ban Amazon from France?

For that matter, why not ban computers? They interfere with book sales, too.

For that matter, why not ban printed books? Why should Gutenberg’s invention be allowed to put all those scribes out of work just so publishers can become wealthy and hide their profits overseas?

No wonder liberals want Americans to emulate Europeans, they’re so much smarter than we are.

Socratease on June 4, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Damn those ATMs

WryTrvllr on June 4, 2013 at 10:48 PM

brayam: define speculative. Oh and you should use google more rather than fluffing it. Tool.

CW on June 4, 2013 at 10:51 PM

President Hollande’s Socialist government has been beating its brains out trying to come up with ways out of the mess, and yet, no matter what they do, they just can’t seem to get the economy moving in a positive direction.

And, unlike Francois Mitterand, France’s last Socialist President, who tried Socialism only for it to fail and then seriously adjusted course, Hollande’s government will continue to beat its brains out.

There was a reason that I wrote back before the General Election:

Predictions:

1. The French right would love – and, in fact, does – it, if Hollande wins. Why? Because he will be forced to make cuts and pass reforms to entitlements, taxes, labour policies, etc, that they would NEVER be permitted to do.

2. Ultimately, Hollande’s programmes WILL fail and he will be INCAPABLE of fulfilling expectations.

3. Within 6 months of his taking office, his approval ratings will be in the high 30s-low 40s.

4. The French people will take to the streets in a fury within 12-18 months.

5. Hollande will win because the French are going to ‘vote for yesterday,’ which Hollande will be INCAPABLE of delivering once in office. But, hey, Socialists can dream, can’t they?

All of them has happened.

Après Sarkozy, Le Déluge. Viva M Hollande – L’homme, Qui Va Détruire La France!

(After Sarkozy, The Deluge. Viva M Holland – The Man, Who Is Going To Destroy France!)

Resist We Much on June 4, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Just bought a replacement heating element for my Whirlpool dryer on Amazon for $13.10. I could have purchased the exact same heating element from the Whirlpool parts store for $47.50.

Will I cause a clerk at the Whirlpool parts store to lose his job, I don’t give a rats a…….

Wallythedog on June 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Socialism is just so lame.

Don’t get me wrong, I love bookshops. I love digging around to find books that may be out of print or hard to find (because believe it or not, you can’t actually find everything on the internet), but I want them to stand or fall on their own merits. Part of the problem with the government propping up entities that should be allowed to stand or fail on their own is that it hinders improvement and innovation. What if in having to figure out how to survive, the print media industry stumbles across something amazing?

Othniel on June 5, 2013 at 2:27 AM

And Ford! Don’t forget Ford! Them poor horse carriage makers and horse breeders.

NotCoach on June 4, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Not to mention buggy whip manufacturers and blacksmiths.

We should all pay attention to France and Greece, because that’s where Zero is taking the country.

dogsoldier on June 5, 2013 at 5:47 AM

tom daschle concerned on June 4, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Bread is made for laughter,
and wine gladdens life,
and money answers everything. Ecc. 10:19

Cleombrotus on June 5, 2013 at 7:08 AM

I know, I know, we’re talking about leftists, not a very bright species of humanity by any definition, but

“Today, everyone has had enough of Amazon, which, by dumping, slashes prices to get a foothold in markets only to raise them once they have established a virtual monopoly,”

If everybody had enough of them, why are you whining? Wouldn’t that mean Amazon is now doing zero business in France?

MNHawk on June 5, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Last time I checked, the founder and CEO of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, was an

Obama supporter. Funny how today’s great entrepreneur capitalists generally aren’t right wing conservatives. Perhaps the right doesn’t really know that much about capitalism after all, or is only capable of regurgitating last decade’s talking points.

Do you really believe in John Galt, or not?

bayam on June 4, 2013 at 8:57 PM

So you’re admitting that liberals lie about conservative! I’m shocked I tell you! Yes, yes… so now you admit that most 1%’s are just limousine liberals. Shocked, just shocked I tell you!

Next you’re going to tell me that Obama uses the IRS against his political opponents… please stop…

dominigan on June 5, 2013 at 9:35 AM

So 100% income tax on the rich wasn’t enough?

Well, lets see if 120% will get the bills covered.
I don’t see another option.

gekkobear on June 5, 2013 at 4:09 PM