Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on June 3, 2013 by Allahpundit

With Congress back this week to work on the measure, Senate negotiators want to pick up as many as two dozen Republican votes in a show of force that compels the House to act. But the result has to be much stricter than the current version of the bill to give it any hope of passing there either. They’ve got to do it without alienating the vast majority of Senate Democrats who like the bill as it is.

And whatever happens, it has to keep Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) satisfied…

Rubio, a key member of the Gang of Eight, is shopping around a proposal to have Congress — not the Department of Homeland Security — write the border control strategy that would be a prerequisite for most of the other elements of reform. Rubio hasn’t yet landed on specific parameters, but, arguing that Americans don’t trust their government to get it right, Rubio wants lawmakers to craft the plan at the outset, rather than leave the details up to the Obama administration…

Rubio doesn’t see how the current version of the legislation gets enough votes to break a filibuster, let alone the 70-plus votes that Gang of Eight leaders want. Republicans view border security as a threshold issue, and many have told him that the requirements must be tightened before they can even consider backing the bill, Rubio has said.

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Democrats are likely to look skeptically on any major border security changes in the bill, a delicately negotiated compromise that strengthens immigration enforcement while providing a route to citizenship for the estimated 11 million immigrants who entered the country illegally or overstayed their visas. But Democrats are also expected to try to accommodate Rubio to retain his support…

At the same time, Rubio appears sensitive to Democratic objections that unrealistic border triggers would prevent immigrants from achieving legal status, and is trying to develop an acceptable approach

The changes Rubio is considering draw from an approach suggested by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who has indicated he is open to an immigration overhaul. Paul’s views are influential with tea party conservatives, and his support could give the bill a substantial boost by persuading other Republicans to vote for it.

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In other words, instead of Napolitano writing the “parchment barrier” that’s supposed to prevent new illegal immigration, Chuck Schumer’s staff will prepare it. This is presented as an improvement. As Jonathan Strong quotes Mike Lee on today’s home page with regard to the budget debate, “Trust us. We’re Congress!”

Congress has already tried this approach of specifying the details of a border-control strategy, to little effect. The Secure Fence Act of 2006 (pdf here, but don’t worry — remarkably, it’s only three pages long) lays out in extraordinary detail where “at least 2 layers of reinforced fencing” are supposed to be built along the Mexican border…

In other words, Congress crafted the border plan at the outset, specifying where some 650 miles of fencing was to be placed, rather than leave the details up to the Obama Bush administration. How’d that work out?

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[T]his solution is just as worthless as Rubio’s border commission was. Once Congress writes a plan, there is nothing in the bill that guarantees President Obama’s DHS will actually implement it. Conservatives, like Sens. Mike Lee, R-Utah, and Ted Cruz, R-Texas, introduced amendments that would make the legalization of illegal immigrants contingent on the actual implementation of border security. But the pro-amnesty Republicans and their Democratic allies on the Senate Judiciary Committee voted down all of those amendments. Democrats simply will not allow any changes to the bill that alter its fundamental amnesty-now-for-enforcement-later framework.

Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has said he is confident of getting the 60 votes he needs to pass Rubio’s immigration bill in the Senate. And he’s probably right. The real target of Rubio’s new security sales job is the House. And it is unclear how much, if any, headway he is making.

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Rubio seems to have in mind that this paperwork plan will be somehow written by Congress, not by the Department of Homeland Security. Then the President–initially, President Obama–can enforce, defer, waive, modify and otherwise fail to implement the plan as he or she sees fit.

Would the change in the plan’s authorship be a real impediment to the Gang of 8′s instant legalization? I suppose it might be if it required another vote of both chambers months down the road. But not if it’s set up under some sort of legislative-veto arrangement–where it goes into effect unless both houses vote to stop it. Or if it is somehow mandated, but not required as a prerequisite for RPI-style legalization–e.g. missing the deadline or otherwise blowing off the mandate has no consequence,. Or if it’s added before initial passage of “comprehensive” legislation–perhaps by downloading DHS’s thumb-drive plan into the text of the Gang of 8 bill. I would expect Rubio and his staff to explore all three options.

Under this theory, if Rubio gets his way, he’ll have another fig leaf scared conservatives can use to rationalize their support of legalization (and he will have stroked Sen. Rand Paul, perhaps winning his vote). If he loses, he’ll stay on the bill anyway.

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Goodlatte is particularly clear on one point: He does not like the Senate bill, which grants undocumented immigrants a provisional legal status before the border is fully secured…

“There’s a long pathway to citizenship in the Senate bill, but the legal status is given almost immediately,” Goodlatte said. He criticized promises in the Senate proposal to implement a strengthened e-verify system for employers and enhancements to border security that include a way to document both entry and exit that would come after the initial legalization for immigrants. “That is the trap. That is the mistake that was made in 1986. We can’t repeat it again,” he said.

Continued delay by the bipartisan House group is pushing Goodlatte toward a piecemeal approach because he does not want to cede initiative to the Senate. “My goal is to produce a bill out of the House or a series of bills out of the House that addresses all of the issues related to fixing our broken immigration system,” he said. “Then obviously we would have to work out very substantial differences with the Senate, and therefore a conference [committee] would in my opinion be the way to do that.”

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Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., believes that 70 U.S. senators might ultimately support the Gang of Eight’s immigration package, but White House Press Secretary Jay Carney warned him not to start the victory lap too early

“The Senate legislation may not contain every specific element we have called for, but it does represent an important step towards the broad principles the president has made clear need to be a part of common-sense immigration reform,” Carney said. “We believe that the bill that emerged from the committee reflects the president’s principles. And, we believe that the bill that passes through the Senate with bipartisan support should and needs to reflect the president’s principles, and we will be engaged in that process as it moves through the Senate and beyond.”

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Just so you all know, Jimi’s Spanish Castle Magic might be in a 4/4
the best playing that Mitch Mitchell did in that time frame.
One might say ‘splendid’. Then came ‘Cry of Love’ which was the end of it all.
Sadly. Simply great music. The best of drum playing.
I’m not lamenting, just stating the obvious, perchance.

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 2:41 AM

4Bishop! and everyone has gone to sleep, alas.

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 2:43 AM

SparkPlug on June 4, 2013 at 2:37 AM

Hello..:)

Dire Straits on June 4, 2013 at 2:45 AM

Let me phrase it for you… Nobody wants to hear your crap.
Excuse me, I wasn’t asking your opinion.
Never give up, never give in,

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 2:46 AM

Dire Straits on June 4, 2013 at 2:45 AM

lolz. You are trying to make me last again.

SparkPlug on June 4, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Hey, it is only Monday, or it was yesterday.

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 2:49 AM

Hey, it is only Monday, or it was yesterday.

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 2:49 AM

Spooky Tooth – “That Was Only Yesterday”

Anti-Control on June 4, 2013 at 2:54 AM

SparkPlug on June 4, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Enjoy the honor my friend!!!..:)

Dire Straits on June 4, 2013 at 3:02 AM

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 2:34 AM

Thanks

SparkPlug on June 4, 2013 at 2:36 AM

Why? Is it because of the music and or that life is
some preciousness, or both.
It it’s Jeff Beck or Tracy Lawrence, the tunes are in league.

if that makes any sense to you.
Tremendous drum parts.

And the songs are all about describing what is meaningful.

I think that’s what you were speaking of.
Yep, so few but I do live in TX. My heart is in it, there is no doubt. ;)

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 3:05 AM

B Side of “Don’t Call Us, We’ll Call You”

Sugarloaf – “Texas Two-Lane”

Anti-Control on June 4, 2013 at 3:09 AM

I don’t have to go to work until the 10th,
Would someone or few stay up with me?
I can’t be all glade, etc. I don’t know.
I do know INC, and Resist We Much and a few others.
Apologies for not stating them properly.

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 3:11 AM

Anti-Control on June 4, 2013 at 3:09 AM

Enjoy..:)

PS..I don’t agree with their politics but they got it right here..:)

Dire Straits on June 4, 2013 at 3:16 AM

SparkPlug on June 4, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Sneaky..I saw what you did there..:):)

PS..*tip fedora*..:)

Dire Straits on June 4, 2013 at 3:18 AM

For SparkPlug:

The Ventures – “War of the Satellites”

Anti-Control on June 4, 2013 at 3:22 AM

Enjoy..:)

PS..I don’t agree with their politics but they got it right here..:)

Dire Straits on June 4, 2013 at 3:16 AM

That is one of their better songs.

About their politics: I’ve definitely seen worse! At least Bono isn’t a hater…

Blondie – “Dreaming”

Anti-Control on June 4, 2013 at 3:28 AM

PS..I don’t agree with their politics but they got it right here..:)

Dire Straits on June 4, 2013 at 3:16 AM

getting lazy for formatting

where is Del to speak of the New England Patriots?
That was a good and bad day for me.
The scrolling names.
Hi Dire and Anti.

I’m just a little happy today, so forgive me my exhuberence.

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 3:30 AM

I’m off to ace to see what trouble I might inspire, though I will be back

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 3:35 AM

Good morning sir..:)

Dire Straits on June 4, 2013 at 3:36 AM

it’s early yet

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 3:37 AM

Anti-Control on June 4, 2013 at 3:28 AM

The Joshua Tree is a classic..:)

Dire Straits on June 4, 2013 at 3:38 AM

This fascist government is still trying to stack the electorate with tens of millions of new socialist voters and pay off cronies with amnesty for illegals when they should be about fixing runaway government corruption and tyranny instead! If the federal government continues on their present course and refuses to comply with Constitutional requirements, obstinately choosing to continue down the path of tyranny they’re on, the states should consider organizing amongst themselves outside of the federal framework in the future. If they do, eventually the federal government will be redundant and unnecessary in much of its capacity, and all the feds can try to do about it is invade the states, which I think will fail before it even gets started. The corrupt federal government is bankrupt anyway so there’s probably no choice but for the states to organize independently with diminishing federal authority and relevance. If the feds won’t abolish the IRS/Obamacare gestapo and correct the tyranny then it’s fast approaching the time when the American people will have to abolish it themselves or submit to tyranny, perhaps this time forever. Due to technology, I fear it’s possible that this new wave of tyranny that is presently enveloping Earth may be a lasting one.

FloatingRock on June 4, 2013 at 3:43 AM

We’re a trio Anti, Dire.
Fits right in with my D’Artagnan stash.

I am tired though. I really don’t comment much and that’s probably for the best.
Thank you all.
And yes I am in TX and never leaving. That’s how much.

I am uncomfortable palate/race wise. I can’t describe it here so much.

I look toward the person I am speaking with.
So, they view me.

That’s a hell of a sunburn you’re working on there…
The comfort or lack thereof recedes into nothingness.

Imma not play.

Fact is they aren’t any better or worse, they are on the ‘wacko bird’ team.
That is all one needs to know.

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 4:02 AM

I wouldn’t be surprised if in the next few years a collection of American states find it necessary to start using their own currency to replace the increasingly worthless US dollar.

And if the federal government won’t enforce the law and make illegal aliens unwelcome then I predict that the American people will start doing it themselves. The ruling class is inviting disaster by shoving crooked legislation down Americas throats again, especially so soon after Obamacare. They pretend that America is a “Democracy”, (which is a bad thing if true), but their claim is disproven by Obamacare which never could have passed Democratically because it’s always been unpopular.

The feds should enforce the immigration laws on the books, prove they’re willing to do it, (which they’re obviously not and never will be), and then we’ll talk about what to do about the people already here, in that order. If they won’t do it in that order than it is nothing but yet another con-job they are trying to impose on the nation undemocratically.

FloatingRock on June 4, 2013 at 4:02 AM

FloatingRock on June 4, 2013 at 3:43 AM

simmer down, FR
Understood…

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 4:05 AM

Let us remember, the Federal Government needs a major culling/haircut…
Dispensing of various agencies altogether will be a start.

Let’s face it. They are out of control.
Who’s that knocking on my door
Barnacle Bill, the Sailor, heck-eck-eck.
‘wacko birds’ unite.

I’m looking at you Chuck Schumer (sp). Despicable fraud.
Distinguished? I think not.

Time for a letting for the Tree of Liberty.
Good nite Dire, Anti and FR. Late crew and whatnot.

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 4:18 AM

Let’s face it. They are out of control.

mickytx on June 4, 2013 at 4:18 AM

The federal government has gone feral, plain and simple, and will not be domesticated again.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on June 4, 2013 at 4:23 AM

If Obama is not responsible for all of these scandals then it only makes it worse because it means our own federal government is a rogue state that has already demonstrated it is a far greater threat to the freedom and liberty of the American people than Iran and every other rogue nation on Earth combined. I would argue that these scandals represent a far more damaging attack on the integrity of the United States of America than even 9/11 and Pearl Harbor, although the attacks are of a different sort.

Don’t you think these scandals are essentially an act of civil war against the American people by the corrupt ruling that were demonstrably threatened by the tea party, (as proven by the ’10 election), and thus acted illegally by force to retain control? (Which is exactly what I’ve been saying here for years that the ruling class would do in response to the tea party because they will not give up power peacefully, IMO.) How is this not an act of civil war, an literal attack on the American people by the ruling elite?

For mickytx

FloatingRock on June 4, 2013 at 4:44 AM

Don’t you think these scandals are essentially an act of civil war against the American people by the corrupt ruling class that were demonstrably threatened by the tea party

edit

FloatingRock on June 4, 2013 at 4:45 AM

I want to thank the ppl who stopped by my blog and voted…………;-)

angrymike on June 4, 2013 at 4:47 AM

The culmination of all these scandals is that the ruling class lost the ’10 election and was on the verge of losing power altogether, so they used the force of the federal government and their media lackeys in the MSM to crush the tea party, which at the time was the majority of the American people as demonstrated by the ’10 election.

These scandals, all of them revolving around this central theme which probably includes Obama, but is even worse if it doesn’t, is probably the biggest scandal in American history.

FloatingRock on June 4, 2013 at 5:01 AM

…Well, maybe not the biggest in all of American history, but it’s probably the biggest scandal since the Civil War, or something…

FloatingRock on June 4, 2013 at 5:02 AM

And after the ’10 election I started to have hope again, started thinking that I wanted to get married and start a family, and then my hope and dreams were dashed by an act of civil war by the corrupt American ruling class.

I. am. f-ing. pissed!

FloatingRock on June 4, 2013 at 5:05 AM

NO AMNESTY

TX-96 on June 4, 2013 at 6:10 AM

John the Libertarian on June 3, 2013 at 10:49 PM

I think PK oughta have his own comic…call it Dildo!

cableguy615 on June 4, 2013 at 6:13 AM

We don’t trust the Obama administration, we don’t trust Congress, and we certainly don’t trust you,Rubio!

redware on June 4, 2013 at 6:15 AM

good morning HA

cmsinaz on June 4, 2013 at 6:30 AM

Somehow the concept of ‘enforcement of the law’ escapes the Gang of Eight.

If you want e-Verify to be used then put teeth into it: mandate its use and any identity theft traced back to the company for non-use and not doing a check on the individual means that the company pays to clear up the identity theft of individuals harmed by their inaction. Make the companies financially liable for not obeying the law.

And if you want employers to stop employing illegals then implement a ‘three strikes and you’re out’ system. First instance a fine to the company, and to all its controlling officers and board members at the executive level. Second instance is a much larger fine, say 20% of the company’s gross income, and a similar amount taken from the executive level plus all executive level employees get to spend 3-5 months in Club Fed. Third strike, the company is dissolved, sold piecemeal and all the executives given a felony 5-10 years in Club Fed, the rockhouse edition.

Make corporate citizens responsible for their actions and hold those who run it and operate it accountable for the actions of their company. After strike two they may have some problems keeping executives and recruiting new ones, of course, but those coming in will have a dedicated mission to stay out of Club Fed with a felony to their names. You can’t reform the system unless you shift the cost of doing illegal employment from the employee to the employer who is the one who is supposed to be following the law, as well as a corporate citizen. Sure we might lose a number of big time, big profit firms that are taking up way too much market space by violation of the law to pad their bottom line… do we want to encourage or discourage that? The Left should love this solution as they can sic their disparate organizations on corporate America: might as well put those attack dogs to good use and distract them from other areas of interest and pit them against the amnesty Lefitsts. A cage match between the anti-corporatist Left vs. the totalitarian Left… put a padlock on the door to the ring once they are inside…

ajacksonian on June 4, 2013 at 6:38 AM

amenesty here we come

cmsinaz on June 4, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! If, at first you don’t succeed…let the UN do it. “Obama Sells Out American Sovereignty to the U.N. by Signing Arms Treaty”
My take.

kingsjester on June 4, 2013 at 6:42 AM

kingsjester on June 4, 2013 at 6:42 AM

in the darkness of august when no one will notice *wink, wink* and the lsm just whistles on by…

good one KJ

cmsinaz on June 4, 2013 at 6:57 AM

cmsinaz on June 4, 2013 at 6:57 AM

Thank you, ma’am!

kingsjester on June 4, 2013 at 7:05 AM

axlerod and eugene still going with the gop overreach meme this am….

never change boys
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cmsinaz on June 4, 2013 at 7:09 AM

It does not take a 1,000 page bill to secure the borders. Do that and then we can talk about what to do with all the illegals. And BTW, a bill that will allow them to bring in all their relatives here from wherever the hell they came from will not happen.

Happy Nomad on June 4, 2013 at 7:11 AM

Ok, so is Cruz the only guy for 2016? Looks that way to me.

Rand Paul has expressed support for amnesty and is even against e-verify.

Is the primary battle going to be between Paul and Cruz?

Will Rubio be seen as the moderate choice?

bluegill on June 4, 2013 at 7:11 AM

I don’t think Ryan has a chance. He fizzled in that VP debate when he needed to stand up to Biden. I can’t get the image of him sitting there so meekly and passively out of my head.

bluegill on June 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM

We don’t trust the Obama administration, we don’t trust Congress, and we certainly don’t trust you,Rubio!

redware on June 4, 2013 at 6:15 AM

That about sums it up. I had a whole lot more respect for Rubio before he began lying his ass off about what was included in this amnesty bill. He never got around to mentioning all those that would be fast-tracked for amnesty when he talks about the long path to citizenship with “no amnesty provision.” He doesn’t mention that you can be a 52-year-old DREAMer. And for all the talk of a secure border and the illegals paying back taxes- neither is going to happen under this legislation.

So for all of that, Rubio really disappointed me no matter how good his intentions.

Happy Nomad on June 4, 2013 at 7:15 AM

Will Rubio be seen as the moderate choice?

bluegill on June 4, 2013 at 7:11 AM

I, for one, am through with supporting moderates. They never stand up to the enemy on social issues in particular. We are fighting for the very future of our children. I don’t want to do it with somebody who starts by saying a filthy rat-eared commie has a point when he talks about amnesty for all the little brown criminals running around this nation.

Happy Nomad on June 4, 2013 at 7:17 AM

so we need to focus on military accountability re: sexual assaults but we do not have to worry about accountability re: the IRS

lsm squirrel?

cmsinaz on June 4, 2013 at 7:32 AM

so we need to focus on military accountability re: sexual assaults but we do not have to worry about accountability re: the IRS

lsm squirrel?

cmsinaz on June 4, 2013 at 7:32 AM

Did you hear what that worthless whore from NY said (Kirsten Gillibrand not Hillary for once). Prosecutors and not the military need to go out after sexual assault in the military because, wait for it, how can a military commander prosecute sexual assault when he is doing it too. Apparently no male miltary member is innocent of sexual assault. The Dems are overrreaching on this one.

Happy Nomad on June 4, 2013 at 7:41 AM

Happy Nomad on June 4, 2013 at 7:41 AM

oh the irony…..

yup….overreach that you won’t hear on the lsm…she’s just awesome
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cmsinaz on June 4, 2013 at 7:45 AM

Simply can’t say what needs to be said about Marco Rubio. Not with the language and suggestions that need to be included.

I’ll simply suggest that he go f*ck himself for the ruin he’s trying to bring to this country, and may he rot in hell.

Midas on June 4, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Check this one out about the power brokers in D.C.
http://spectator.org/archives/2013/06/04/irs-commissioner-aided-tax-che

onlineanalyst on June 4, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Cruz/Christie 2016 for the DNC nomination…

*blech*

workingclass artist on June 4, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Cruz Rubio/Christie 2016 for the DNC nomination

*blech*

workingclass artist on June 4, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Oops!…I need more coffee

Cruz Rocks!

workingclass artist on June 4, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Rand Paul……Mike Lee……next to disappoint on AMNESTY!!

Rubio you STILL are not going to deny Crown Prince Jeb the nomination in 2016.

PappyD61 on June 4, 2013 at 8:21 AM

I’m sorry (I’m not really) but Rubio isn’t ready for PRIMETIME. I’m glad that people are seeing him for what he is, especially past the big pimping of him by Republican media including HotGas

journeymike on June 3, 2013 at 10:51 PM

hey, watch what you’re saying. rubio is palin approved,

chasdal on June 4, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Mark Rubio is NOT A NATURAL BORN American!!!!!!Father Born in Cuba!!! Put him up and he’ll end up like the Last Non-Natural Born Republican…Romney!!! We can’t protect the Constitution by not following it…Your parents must be US Citizens at the time of THEIR Births…they can not have been subject to any other Jurisdiction! To be President we require an additional level of Citizen!!! Cruz isn’t either!!!!!

Vattel’s Law of Nations: § 212. Citizens and natives

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

http://blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/obama/NaturalBornCitizenChart2.html

billofrights on June 4, 2013 at 10:36 AM

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