Report: Obama asks Pentagon to draw up plan for no-fly zone in Syria

posted at 6:01 pm on May 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

So yeah, looks like the White House probably approved of McCain’s trip.

Second look at isolationism?

The White House has asked the Pentagon to draw up plans for a no-fly zone inside Syria that would be enforced by the U.S. and other countries such as France and Great Britain, two administration officials told The Daily Beast…

President Obama’s dual-track strategy of continuing to pursue a political solution to the two-year-old uprising in Syria while also preparing for more direct U.S. military involvement includes authorizing the Joint Chiefs of Staff for the first time to plan for multilateral military actions inside Syria, the two officials said. They added that no decisions on actually using force have yet been made…

In a May 8 meeting of the National Security Council Principals Committee, the White House tasked several agencies with reporting on the pros and cons of two additional potential courses of action: arming vetted and moderate elements of the Syrian opposition, such as the Free Syrian Army, and formally recognizing the Syrian opposition council as the government of Syria, which would mean removing formal U.S. recognition of the Assad regime…

“This is a Kerry initiative,” an administration official said. “It’s also a test of the veracity of the Russian claims that they are committed to a peaceful outcome that reflects the will of the Syrian people.”

This is, I assume, chiefly a pressure tactic to make Assad nervous and concession-minded at the big peace powwow in Geneva next month. It’s also a lure to get the rebels to the table; right now they’re noncommittal about attending unless Assad first promises to step down, which won’t happen. As noted in the last post, everything’s coming up Bashar lately in Syria: Hezbollah’s vowed publicly to help him win the war, his troops are reclaiming territory needed to maintain their supply lines, and Russia’s sending anti-aircraft missiles to shoo the west away from imposing a no-fly zone. With that kind of momentum, Assad has no incentive to make a deal during peace talks. News about the Pentagon drawing up a NFZ plus the EU lifting its embargo on sending weapons to the rebels gives him something to think about. It’s Obama’s attempt at something of a game-changer without committing to actually doing anything.

Why would Assad take the threat seriously, though? The only way a NFZ will play politically for Obama with American voters is if it’s the same sort of turkey shoot that the Libyan NFZ was — which it won’t be. McCain told the Daily Beast that a realistic plan for a no-fly zone “would include hundreds of planes, and would be most effective if it included destroying Syrian airplanes on runways.” It’d be a huge, aggressive operation, and the presence of those Russian missiles means it might not be without casualties. How’s O going to explain American airmen being killed to influence a war between Sunni fundamentalists and a puppet of Shiite fundamentalists? Western air power would also likely be called on to shoot down Iranian aircraft carrying supplies to Assad, which would end the nuclear-talks charade between Iran and the west (admittedly, not a bad thing) and widen the war in unpredictable ways. Compared to the potential costs, the benefits of intervention are too gassy to rally the public solidly behind military action. War in Libya could be sold as payback for Qaddafi, a longtime enemy and terror supporter (who became a kinda sorta friend in the past decade), and as a humanitarian gesture towards Libyans, whose political sympathies were more obscure after decades of Qaddafism than the Syrian rebels’ are. Assad’s less well known to Americans and, after two years of Islamist flower under the Arab Spring, the fate of Syria after he’s gone is easy to predict. That’s a harsh landscape against which to make the case for a NFZ. Even McCain seems to think it’s a bluff.

If you missed this last month, watch a palpably skeptical Martin Dempsey explain the challenges of a no-fly zone.


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Obama the charlatan, needs a change of topic.

He’ll ruin/extinguish the lives of many, for his own glory. He already has blood on his hands in Benghazi/Lybia in general.

In Syria all are the enemies of the USA.

Schadenfreude on May 28, 2013 at 6:04 PM

McCain needs to switch lands, parties or his state.

Schadenfreude on May 28, 2013 at 6:04 PM

McCain and Obama are traitors.

Schadenfreude on May 28, 2013 at 6:05 PM

I wonder if the Women in Black will support him or just keep conveniently quiet as now?

WitchDoctor on May 28, 2013 at 6:06 PM

I figured it would happen eventually, Obama can’t help himself. He has to be seen doing something, doesn’t matter what really, just something to stir the pot.

Fenris on May 28, 2013 at 6:06 PM

Libya

Name one nation which is free or freer due to Obama, I triple dare all of you.

Obama is with his brothers. So is Hagel, McCain and Brennan, all s/b wearing turbans.

Schadenfreude on May 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Wait a second ………… they didn’t already have a plan drawn up?

SC.Charlie on May 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM

The stupid Congress will roll over, as they always do. They no longer deserve to be call the “checks and balances”. They are traitors of the land, like none ohters.

Schadenfreude on May 28, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Schadenfreude on May 28, 2013 at 6:04 PM

I’m sold,both of your post.

docflash on May 28, 2013 at 6:08 PM

Name one nation which is free or freer due to Obama, I triple dare all of you.

Obama is with his brothers. So is Hagel, McCain and Brennan, all s/b wearing turbans.

Schadenfreude on May 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Mexico. More free to move to America.

kirkill on May 28, 2013 at 6:09 PM

finally

gerrym51 on May 28, 2013 at 6:09 PM

If this happens, since America will be backing Muslim Brotherhood/al Qaeda/other bloody Shariahists, and Russia will be backing a relative secularist protector of Christians, I will be rooting against my own country, what’s left of it, and for Russia.

VorDaj on May 28, 2013 at 6:13 PM

From the Syrian Christians in Syria, “Thank God for the Russians!” Those who apparently want a genocide against Christians in Syria, Obama and McCain, can go fornicate themselves.

VorDaj on May 28, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Mexico. More free to move to America.

kirkill on May 28, 2013 at 6:09 PM

From that angle China too. There are signs, around 100 miles close to the border “push this button for help”, one in Spanish and one in Chinese. The border patrol agents then help the Chinese cartels and other scum.

The USA self destructs, with directives from Obama and help from the R traitors. However, I blame the stupid voters.

Schadenfreude on May 28, 2013 at 6:16 PM

ibya

Name one nation which is free or freer due to Obama, I triple dare all of you.

Obama is with his brothers. So is Hagel, McCain and Brennan, all s/b wearing turbans.

Schadenfreude on May 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Not really a matter of nations anymore. With the global world now it’s a matter of belief systems more than nation’s freedoms.

Of course, obama has been a bonanza for all of the worlds muslims. They can beat, rape, supress their women, kill their enemies, ruin all of our liberties and screw their camels all they want without fear of any sort of repercussion.

Speaking of animals… it’s been a bonanza for the bestiality set along with gays, pedophiles and other degenerates. If you question anything as being deviate then you are racist or bigoted.

Been a bonanza for anyone that doesn’t feel like working, breeding like a rabbit, “finding yourself” and the “liberal/progressive” set. No need to feel guilt or shame if you leave trillions in debt to your kids and grandkids along with a country that makes sodom and gommora look like a preachers convention. It’s all good now.

He’s the best. Especially if you worship satan and worry only about your sick degenerate urges and desires.

acyl72 on May 28, 2013 at 6:18 PM

McCain and Obama are traitors.

Schadenfreude on May 28, 2013 at 6:05 PM

They’re all traitors dumazz.

HondaV65 on May 28, 2013 at 6:18 PM

So yeah, looks like the White House probably approved of McCain’s trip.

Both Obama and McCain promote genocide of Christians.

VorDaj on May 28, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Only if we are allowed to use tactical nuclear weapons.

SC.Charlie on May 28, 2013 at 6:18 PM

Report: Obama asks Pentagon to draw up plan for no-fly zone in Syria

So I take it that things aren’t progressing all that well for the anti-Assad “activists”?

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM

McCain told the Daily Beast that a realistic plan for a no-fly zone “would include hundreds of planes,

Hello, sequestration! We’re broke, let the Turks and Saudis handle it.

rbj on May 28, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Nice how McCain just played right into Obama’s plans.

Now off to war we go – in a war no one wants – but heh, it’ll give us something else to talk about besides the scandals won’t it?

Good move McCain you whacko bird.

HondaV65 on May 28, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Wait a second ………… they didn’t already have a plan drawn up?

SC.Charlie on May 28, 2013 at 6:07 PM

David Axelrod, told MSNBC. “Part of being president is there’s so much beneath you that you can’t know because the government is so vast,” he explained.

scalleywag on May 28, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Instead of arming the muzzies, we should be arming the illegals crossing the Rio Grande and turn them around to Mexico City.

Rixon on May 28, 2013 at 6:22 PM

Fox is reporting the WH denies there’s any such plan in the works.

scalleywag on May 28, 2013 at 6:22 PM

So, which of these two sides is actually worth helping? Syria the government, a known state sponsor of terrorism and home of Baathists, or Syria the rebellion, mostly al Qaeda-affiliated and unstable as water?

Now, if you want to make a case for equipping both sides with mortars and standing back, I might be with you.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 28, 2013 at 6:23 PM

I feel for our wonderful guys and gals in uniform. SCOAMF has all but decapitated the officer corps and I now look with suspicion at those above the rank of Lt. Colonel.

Rixon on May 28, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Is this a “squirrel” or a “wag the dog”? I’m so confused.

D-fusit on May 28, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Three scandals and it now looks like none of them will go away any time soon!

Time to wag the dog a little, with McCain and Graham providing “bipartisan” cover.

Except that supporting Islamist rebels in Syria will only make things a lot worse for this admin, and the US, down the road.

This may be another bluff, like Dear Leader’s chemical weapons “red-line”.

Your move, Comrade Putin.

farsighted on May 28, 2013 at 6:24 PM

Obowma won’t know anything about it until he reads it in the papers…

Seven Percent Solution on May 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Is this a “squirrel” or a “wag the dog”? I’m so confused.

D-fusit on May 28, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Wag the Squirrel.

portlandon on May 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM

Squirrel!

The sad thing is that the tactic will work. It always does, thanks to the Liberal MSM which really doesn’t want to believe their Savior is just another sleazy politician. In that sense, I can’t blame Obama for using a tactic that’s guaranteed to work.

Splashman on May 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM

Syria: Russia to send anti-aircraft missiles to stop Western ‘hotheads’

No doubt Obowma’s “Rules of Engagement” will be “Don’t shoot back”…

… No doubt.

Seven Percent Solution on May 28, 2013 at 6:27 PM

It’s Obama’s attempt at something of a game-changer without committing to actually doing anything.

Comrade O has already had one bluff called. His bluffs will no longer be taken seriously.

farsighted on May 28, 2013 at 6:28 PM

The USA self destructs, with directives from Obama and help from the R traitors. However, I blame the stupid voters.

Schadenfreude on May 28, 2013 at 6:16 PM

The USA has been self destructing for a long time. Clinton destroyed decency in the White House and self defense when he refused to take out bin laden after he declared war on us. Bush destroyed America’s sovereignty when he refused to close the southern border. Obama has destroyed what remains with his attacks on the truth – at every opportunity and the rule of law. And his support for Islamists.

I blame everyone who did not enthusiastically support Romney. He was our last chance.

Basilsbest on May 28, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Is this a “squirrel” or a “wag the dog”? I’m so confused.

D-fusit on May 28, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Neither. Obama has a genuine interest in empowering radical fundamentalists all over the world. This is part of that larger process.

Burke on May 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM

Why would Assad take the threat seriously, though?

Especially with his neck on the line if he loses to the rebels.

This is not a game for Assad and his people. It is about survival.

For Putin it is a game, and a way to further diminish NATO, the US, and The One.

farsighted on May 28, 2013 at 6:34 PM

The USA self destructs, with directives from Obama and help from the R traitors. However, I blame the stupid voters.

Schadenfreude on May 28, 2013 at 6:16 PM

I blame the “teachers” who turned at least 3 generations of our kids into stupid voters.

Rixon on May 28, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Can’t this a$$hole just… golf?

turfmann on May 28, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Report: Obama asks Pentagon to draw up plan for no-fly zone in Syria

..and per The O’Zero admin’s track record, Holder takes overs and all flights out of Dallas were canceled for a week….

BigWyo on May 28, 2013 at 6:37 PM

Chuck Hagel has map of the world included with orders….

BigWyo on May 28, 2013 at 6:38 PM

No doubt Obowma’s “Rules of Engagement” will be “Don’t shoot back”…

… No doubt.

Seven Percent Solution on May 28, 2013 at 6:27 PM

I agree, especially if those new missiles are manned by Russians. He won’t have the guts.

Liam on May 28, 2013 at 6:38 PM

“Quick!!…draw up a distraction plan. Do they have any aspirin factories?? Make me look Presidential!!”

Mimzey on May 28, 2013 at 6:42 PM

McCain told the Daily Beast that a realistic plan for a no-fly zone “would include hundreds of planes, and would be most effective if it included destroying Syrian airplanes on runways.” It’d be a huge, aggressive operation, and the presence of those Russian missiles means it might not be without casualties. How’s O going to explain American airmen being killed to influence a war between Sunni fundamentalists and a puppet of Shiite fundamentalists? Western air power would also likely be called on to shoot down Iranian aircraft carrying supplies to Assad, which would end the nuclear-talks charade between Iran and the west (admittedly, not a bad thing) and widen the war in unpredictable ways.

Not to mention that once committed to this level of intervention there would be no easy way out.

farsighted on May 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM

If you missed this last month, watch a palpably skeptical Martin Dempsey explain the challenges of a no-fly zone.

Skepticism is always how the military responds publicly, and exactly how you would want the military to respond publicly. In case you don’t understand the reasoning behind this technique; Public skepticism keeps the the enemy guessing, and unsure of intent.

McCain is a lackey, always searching for someway to demonstrate credibility. He is dishonest, and his intent almost indecipherable (outside of chasing polls). A useful idiot is more descriptive.

Obama, and his administration are out of their depth with the Middle East and their amateurish actions endanger the United States and our allies. Sending a simpering buffoon like McCain to sneak into Syria for a photo-op with Rebels/Jihadists looks like a attempt to garner support among Republican legislators to head off probable anti-intervention sentiment.

Rode Werk on May 28, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Did the Pentagon look at him and ask, “hey, can we use that red marker that you’re not using??”

ted c on May 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM

If this happens, since America will be backing Muslim Brotherhood/al Qaeda/other bloody Shariahists, and Russia will be backing a relative secularist protector of Christians, I will be rooting against my own country, what’s left of it, and for Russia.
VorDaj on May 28, 2013 at 6:13 PM

I’m with you.

If only there was some responsible way to not pay attention to the mess these guys are making of everything.

Cleombrotus on May 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Recall we maintained a no-fly zone over large areas of Iraq for twelve years, at great expense.

It was put in place to protect people who were rebelling against Saddam after the first Gulf War.

That worked out well, didn’t it?

At the time Saddam had no allies at all. And we had the
UN 100% on our side.

Syria has major allies in Iran and Russia, with China as a mostly silent supporter.

farsighted on May 28, 2013 at 7:00 PM

Captain Kirk was right.

BDU-33 on May 28, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Can’t this a$$hole just… golf?

turfmann on May 28, 2013 at 6:35 PM

He can’t even do that well. He doesn’t hit it, he scoops it. There is no way he drives it 200 yards with that pathetic swing.

Basilsbest on May 28, 2013 at 7:03 PM

farsighted on May 28, 2013 at 7:00 PM

In addition, Hussein (the Iraqi one) had nothing with which to shoot back. What makes our Hussein think Assad won’t?

Liam on May 28, 2013 at 7:04 PM

A NFZ is BS! As mentioned, it’s going to end up shooting up runways and incoming aircraft from Iran. Meanwhile the Russians are bringing in anti-aircraft missiles.

How’s that “reset” going?

GarandFan on May 28, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Maybe the Secretary of State can re-tell us why Viet Nam was a mistake.

Cleombrotus on May 28, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Last week the media was praising Obama for declaring that the US would be less involved in warfare.

Will the media now praise Obama for unilaterally attacking Syria?

… and how does this square with that nobel (kill-em-all) peace prize of Obama’s? …

Freddy on May 28, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Benghazi-bama blinded and unhorsed on the road to Damascus.

We have no friends in Syria, and if the Russians want to waste weapons and troops fighting pro-Iranian rebels, let them.

Better idea: if France is involved, France has a long-standing alliance with the Christian population of Lebanon. Let French troops drive Assad’s forces out of Lebanon, creating a free buffer state between Syria and Israel.

As for Syria, let the strongest side win. Between Terror-dee and Terror-dum, let ‘em have at it, with US on the sidelines.

Steve Z on May 28, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Gee, a no-fly zone. Wonder what could go wrong? No way things could escalate is there? Just how are we supposed to afford this? Hundreds of planes costs lots and I mean lots of money to fly these sorts of missions. The chances of a plane getting shot down will be pretty good too. So unless we do an all out destroy everything type operation this could be bad and guess what? We will own the mess that leaves behind to include the next civil war that will erupt when Assad is gone. Does this administration really think all those factions will get along after the Alawites are out of power? Morons. Stay the hell out of that mess.

major dad on May 28, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Report: Obama asks Pentagon to draw up plan for no-fly zone in Syria

The only stipulation is that they cannot use red lines on the plans…

ted c on May 28, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Obama and McCain, war criminals.

Gee, where’s Cindy Sheehan, ANSWER, and Code Pink now?

/not to mention giant papier mache’ heads

Ward Cleaver on May 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Obama and McCain, war criminals.

Gee, where’s Cindy Sheehan, ANSWER, and Code Pink now?

/not to mention giant papier mache’ heads

Ward Cleaver on May 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM

There’s no money in it for them these days, for they’d be griping about Obama. Liberals won’t donate, and no lib hosts will have them on their shows.

Liam on May 28, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Get Turkey to invade.
Everyone knows that a “no fly zone” really means an air war, and that really doesn’t improve much.

Count to 10 on May 28, 2013 at 7:36 PM

What could possibly go wrong?

fourbten on May 28, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Gee, a no-fly zone. Wonder what could go wrong? No way things could escalate is there? Just how are we supposed to afford this? Hundreds of planes costs lots and I mean lots of money to fly these sorts of missions. The chances of a plane getting shot down will be pretty good too. So unless we do an all out destroy everything type operation this could be bad and guess what? We will own the mess that leaves behind to include the next civil war that will erupt when Assad is gone. Does this administration really think all those factions will get along after the Alawites are out of power? Morons. Stay the hell out of that mess.

major dad on May 28, 2013 at 7:17 PM

Sequestration will prevent this from happening.

Nah, nm. Just print moar monies.

For real: I would like to think that this will end the legacy of anyone involved. Teaming up with AQ just seems unforgiveable with the electorate. But seeing as how there are 4-5 scandals going on and the One is above it all, he’ll probably get a pass anyway. Sheesh, I write myself to a bad mood.

LaughterJones on May 28, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Like a true Chicago thug pol, Obamadevil will start another war to distract from his many scandals.

By the way, the gop must have the goods if Obamasatan needs to start a make believe war.

Danielvito on May 28, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Outrageously stupid to implement a very costly and dangerous no-fly zone. For what? To protect a lot of death-to-America Muslims who are no friend of us? Maybe Obama is attempting distractions from his scandals, or maybe it’s just another way he can put America in harms way. He must really dislikes this country.

Chessplayer on May 28, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Report: Obama asks Pentagon to draw up plan for no-fly zone in Syria

…WHY?…JugEars won’t know about it…until he reads about it in the paper!

KOOLAID2 on May 28, 2013 at 9:17 PM

It’s like we are all drinking from a fire hose right now!

Another war. And this one could have been prevented if only we had a President who acknowledged the reality of Islamic terrorists.

What a disaster.

petunia on May 28, 2013 at 11:10 PM

Why complain? America voted for this.

Crux Australis on May 29, 2013 at 12:18 AM

UK would be advised to sit this one out and let Obama stew in his own juice. There is no national interest (for anyone) in Syria.

Being supported by France, a dream-team for Kerry, is not exactly the coalition anyone seeks.

As ever, a senseless foreign policy leads to death on a large scale.

virgo on May 29, 2013 at 1:38 AM

UK would be advised to sit this one out and let Obama stew in his own juice. There is no national interest (for anyone) in Syria.

Being supported by France, a dream-team for Kerry, is not exactly the coalition anyone seeks.

As ever, a senseless foreign policy leads to death on a large scale.

virgo on May 29, 2013 at 1:38 AM

Actually not even Hollande is that dumb to support an intervention in Syria. So, O’s on his own if he really wants this ‘adventure’….Besides, where would Hollande get the money for any sort of operatin in Syria, they are selling the Elysee is selling their precious reserve wine cases as we speak :), as part of the ‘austerity’ program initiated by his govt :)…they will need a loooot of reserve vintage cases to pay for an ill-advised Syrian intervention :)

jimver on May 31, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Operation that is….

jimver on May 31, 2013 at 4:16 PM