Mike Murphy behind anti-gun ads

posted at 1:01 pm on May 26, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

As we’ve long known, politics makes for strange bedfellows, and the gun grabbing debate is no exception. For example, it probably came as no surprise to anyone with even a room temperature IQ that a certain deplorable, nanny-state mayor was getting in on the anti-Second Amendment frenzy. He’s been bankrolling numerous political ads supporting politicians voting for more gun control and against those who support the rights of gun owners. But you don’t produce a number of ads like that without some slick, expert help. Who did he turn to? How about GOP strategist Mike Murphy?

The ads that New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s gun group has run defending Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) and criticizing Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) were cut by GOP strategist Mike Murphy, sources familiar with the spots said.

Murphy’s ads come on the heels of DCI Group leading the work for Mayors Against Illegal Guns’s spots against Democratic Senators.

A MAIG spokeswoman confirmed Murphy shot the anti-Pryor spot POLITICO reported on this week. Sources familiar with the ads said Murphy, who worked on Mitt Romney’s 2002 Massachusetts governor’s race and Meg Whitman’s California governor’s race in 2010, also cut the spots defending Toomey.

Mike is a regular on the political chat circuit and I’ve generally enjoyed his work in the past. He’s a smart guy and often has some very good input on the political issues of the day. (And yes, I follow him on Twitter. In addition to being pretty smart, he’s hilarious.) But none of that changes the fact that I’ve got to look at him in a somewhat different light now. You have to know who the enemy is, even if he’s popping up in your own back yard.


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Gee, thanks a lot, Mike.

irishspy on May 26, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Where’s true_king when you need him?

The GOP will betray you.

And, BISHOP! LoLoLzoorz!

gryphon202 on May 26, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Well at least you, Jazz, can see the mask slip..

Obama followers have seen Obama’s mask slip years ago and they just say that it’s his inner beauty

Electrongod on May 26, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Is it the money or the issue for Mr. Murphy?

Cindy Munford on May 26, 2013 at 1:08 PM

DC… the new Las Vegas, where prostitution is legal..

katy on May 26, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Murphy has long since worn out his “GOP strategist” gimmick. Run along and join Charlie Crist already.

cicerone on May 26, 2013 at 1:12 PM

That’s the problem when they identify as GOP instead of conservative. GOP is a political affiliation; Conservative is a way of looking at the world. Too many in the GOP are not conservatives and will sell out for any number of reasons, not the least of which is usually MONEY.

Cleombrotus on May 26, 2013 at 1:13 PM

It’s as if the guy rolled a grenade into the tent of his fellow soldiers and then started shooting them…

unclesmrgol on May 26, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Is it the money or the issue for Mr. Murphy?

Cindy Munford on May 26, 2013 at 1:08 PM

All of the above. There is no daylight between the republican establishment and the liberal left.

Think of all the times in the last 30 years when conservatives have been sold out.

Can you think of a time when that has happened to the liberals?

WryTrvllr on May 26, 2013 at 1:16 PM

And these kind of people get hired to run republican campaigns…right?

WryTrvllr on May 26, 2013 at 1:18 PM

WryTrvllr on May 26, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Nope, it doesn’t seem to happen. I have never thought of crazy and loyal being paired but they sure manage.

Cindy Munford on May 26, 2013 at 1:18 PM

God, I can’t stand Mike Murphy. The ultimate, moderate GOP establishment. He talks real fast like Chris Matthews, and knows a lot of useless facts, and ends up being wrong as much as the rest of us. He’ll say that conservatives should back his pals McCain and Romney, then after they LOSE the election, talk about how they were bad candidates, and make excuse after excuse.

Dongemaharu on May 26, 2013 at 1:18 PM

No surprise there. Murphy is the embodyment of the typical consultant snake. He wont be happy before politics is just another sport, played by two teams that are only distinguishable by the different players theyre fielding.

Valkyriepundit on May 26, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Jazz Shaw:
Mike is a regular on the political chat circuit and I’ve generally enjoyed his work in the past. He’s a smart guy and often has some very good input on the political issues of the day.

Never saw that coming.

arnold ziffel on May 26, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Mike Murphy, I used to believe in you.

Now, I believe in nothing.

NOTHING!!!!

F**k it man… I’m going to law school…

JohnGalt23 on May 26, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Ted Cruz for President

redguy on May 26, 2013 at 1:24 PM

I don’t see why this should surprise anyone who knows anything about Mike Murphy.

Mark1971 on May 26, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Never saw that coming.

arnold ziffel on May 26, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Hear that buzzing sound?

WryTrvllr on May 26, 2013 at 1:26 PM

I don’t see why this should surprise anyone who knows anything about Mike Murphy.

Mark1971 on May 26, 2013 at 1:25 PM

What? You don’t think he did a fine job for Maverick 5150?

arnold ziffel on May 26, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Meh, I don’t know. Cutting ads attacking Mark Pryor and turning off his liberal base is actually a good thing. Praising Toomey to appeal to nutty soccer mom suburbanites who are scared of guns to help him get reelected is also a good thing.

Republicans, and not Democrats, controlling government is always a good thing. So I am conflicted about this campaign.

Punchenko on May 26, 2013 at 1:29 PM

The last paragragh is priceless.

Please tag RogerB.

wolly4321 on May 26, 2013 at 1:30 PM

All of the above. There is no daylight between the republican establishment and the liberal left.

Think of all the times in the last 30 years when conservatives have been sold out. Can you think of a time when that has happened to the liberals?

WryTrvllr on May 26, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Glenn Greenwald and Cindy Sheehan want to talk to you…

ebrown2 on May 26, 2013 at 1:30 PM

F**k it man… I’m going to law school…

JohnGalt23 on May 26, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Me too! Chasing ambulances sounds much more rewarding than chasing the dollars of a beta billionaire trying to work his way into a good WASP golf club.

Punchenko on May 26, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Mike isn’t concerned about ‘issues’. He’s concerned about making a buck.

GarandFan on May 26, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Ted Cruz for President

redguy on May 26, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Masochism

WryTrvllr on May 26, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Mike is a regular on the political chat circuit and I’ve generally enjoyed his work in the past. He’s a smart guy and often has some very good input on the political issues of the day.

Yeah, but he’s no Doug Mataconis.

Curtiss on May 26, 2013 at 1:32 PM

You have to know who the enemy is, even if he’s popping up in your own back yard.

I’ve seen plenty indicating Murphy doesn’t always know who the enemy is.

farsighted on May 26, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Meh, I don’t know. Cutting ads attacking Mark Pryor and turning off his liberal base is actually a good thing. Praising Toomey to appeal to nutty soccer mom suburbanites who are scared of guns to help him get reelected is also a good thing.

Republicans, and not Democrats, controlling government is always a good thing. So I am conflicted about this campaign.

Punchenko on May 26, 2013 at 1:29 PM

I understand the sentiment. I do. But I’m not buying it.

For as much grief as I give the NRA (Read: Join Gun Owners of America), they really have shown the way to success on this one. When a Dem stands with the Second Amendment, they get supported, even if it means a GOPer goes under the bus. It not only helps build numbers, it acts as a powerful deterrent to GOPers who might be tempted to stray.

JohnGalt23 on May 26, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Given Murphy’s track record from McCain to Rick Lazio and back to McCain I wouldn’t worry.

xkaydet65 on May 26, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Toons of the Day: Pleading The Fifth With A Fifth Chaser
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Did I neglect to mention that…

I HATE, HATE, HATE MIKE MURPHY?

I HATE, HATE, HATE MIKE MURPHY?

I HATE, HATE, HATE MIKE MURPHY?

I HATE, HATE, HATE MIKE MURPHY?

I HATE, HATE, HATE MIKE MURPHY?
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If I so failed, P/B/A that I HATE, HATE, HATE MIKE MURPHY.

Resist We Much on May 26, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Glenn Greenwald and Cindy Sheehan want to talk to you…

ebrown2 on May 26, 2013 at 1:30 PM

There ya go. That makes two. Now count the number conservatives under Pat Toomey (great name for him, no?) and the number of gun owners in West Virginia.

Harriet Meyers owned a gun, don’t ya know.

WryTrvllr on May 26, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Politics is the second oldest profession. The first has more ethics, they work for a living.

clippermiami on May 26, 2013 at 1:36 PM

BTW, I’m watching INDY and there’s a Citgo car with a Venezula logo on it WTF?

Drill and Fill on May 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Jazz follows him on twitter.. how cute.

wolly4321 on May 26, 2013 at 1:40 PM

If I so failed, P/B/A that I HATE, HATE, HATE MIKE MURPHY.

Resist We Much on May 26, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Me three. Great cartoons by the way. They certainly made the lovely Ms. Lerner look even more fetching.

arnold ziffel on May 26, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Resist We Much on May 26, 2013 at 1:36 PM

I hate him too. BTW, Your cartoon was awesome sauce on a stick. Nice work Ms. Much.

SparkPlug on May 26, 2013 at 1:49 PM

Next time some moron says that we can’t deport all these illegal aliens, there are just too many of them, tell the moron that we can’t get rid of all these legal guns, there are just too many of them.

SparkPlug on May 26, 2013 at 1:54 PM

That’s the problem when they identify as GOP instead of conservative. GOP is a political affiliation; Conservative is a way of looking at the world. Too many in the GOP are not conservatives and will sell out for any number of reasons, not the least of which is usually MONEY.

Cleombrotus on May 26, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Yep. Deserves highlighting.

GrannyDee on May 26, 2013 at 1:57 PM

“Mike is a regular on the political chat circuit and I’ve generally enjoyed his work in the past.”

Why does this not surprise me, Jazz? You are as much a liberal as Murphy. Jazz, even with your feeble brain, you should be able to realize that Murphy, like McCain and Graham, is a regular on the political chat circuit because they know he will trash conservatives and play into the hands of network liberals.

Murphy is a POS who has been involved in every losing Republican effort for the past 20 years. Yet, GOP elites consider him their friend and Cruz and Palin enemies.

bw222 on May 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM

I’ve seen plenty indicating Murphy doesn’t always know who the enemy is.

farsighted on May 26, 2013 at 1:32 PM

To Murphy the primary enemy is always the same – conservatives.

bw222 on May 26, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Mike Murphy behind anti-gun ads

posted at 1:01 pm on May 26, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

none of that changes the fact that I’ve got to look at him in a somewhat different light now. You have to know who the enemy is, even if he’s popping up in your own back yard.

…so wake up…and rub your eyes some more!

KOOLAID2 on May 26, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Too many in the GOP are not conservatives and will sell out for any number of reasons, not the least of which is usually MONEY.

Cleombrotus on May 26, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Grover Norquest, Haley Barbour, Bill Frist, Bob Dole, Trent Lott the leadership of the American Conservative Union, David Keene … the list goes on. Any of these guys would sell the country away and not lose a moment’s sleep.

bw222 on May 26, 2013 at 2:10 PM

BTW, I’m watching INDY and there’s a Citgo car with a Venezula logo on it WTF?

Drill and Fill on May 26, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Citgo’s parent company is Petróleos de Venezuela, dear. :-(

Punchenko on May 26, 2013 at 2:11 PM

JohnGalt23 on May 26, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Sigh, I support you’re right. I just really like watching Democrats get pooped on by their fellow comrades. :-(

Punchenko on May 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM

suppose*

Punchenko on May 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Murphy is a POS who has been involved in every losing Republican effort for the past 20 years. Yet, GOP elites consider him their friend and Cruz and Palin enemies.

bw222 on May 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM

…thanks for putting the coffee on!

KOOLAID2 on May 26, 2013 at 2:16 PM

YET Another example of GOP douchebaggery…

AND why BigSven has gone hard right conservative and no party affiliation. Screw them all. :D

BigSven on May 26, 2013 at 2:18 PM

There’s never been an instance where I haven’t turned the TV off or switched channels if he’s appearing.

Marcus on May 26, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Hey Murphy, Eat a bag of $hit.

TX-96 on May 26, 2013 at 2:27 PM

In addition to being pretty smart, he’s hilarious…

You’re a parody. The little sh*t Murphy been a self-loathing Republican and back-stabber for at least a decade. He’s one of the bien pensant GOPers who craves leftist love. HOT Air is a joke.

rrpjr on May 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM

You have to know who the enemy is, even if he’s popping up in your own back yard.

Welcome to the party, Jazz. A bit late, aren’t you?

fitzfong on May 26, 2013 at 2:31 PM

The Mike Murphy’s of this world is why the Republican Party is so screwed up. They “claim” to be Republicans and say the right things, but as consultants, they aren’t good enough to be Democrats so they prey on Republicans who have been convinced they can’t be conservative so people like Murphy sound good.

It’s time, not for purity because purity breeds stagnation, but time for policy. It’s time for Republicans to say this is what we believe in, if you don’t believe in it, you might just be a Democrat. It’s time to stop allowing the press and Democrats to tell us what we should believe and just express our beliefs and see how many people agree with us. Hey, you either win or lose that way, but at least you do it on your own terms.

bflat879 on May 26, 2013 at 2:35 PM

I don’t understand people like Mike Murphy. Ultimately, good will for him in his job depends on not being the type of Establishment Republican that deserves contempt for willingness to sell out on any issue. We should make a big deal out any Republican being willing to hire him after this. It should be unprofitable to attack the Second Amendment.

thuja on May 26, 2013 at 2:37 PM

it is hardly a surprise that an R consultant is center-left in his orientation. Honestly, i think most are. These people are just PR people that like to ‘package’ people, prop them up and send them out.

it rarely works out very well for the country..read his wikipedia entry. The only principles that these people have is be charming, be nice, be middle…ok? That will be $500K.

That is all they are. They are not leaders, thinkers, visionaries …they are men that try to package and sell other people.

r keller on May 26, 2013 at 2:43 PM

For as much grief as I give the NRA (Read: Join Gun Owners of America), they really have shown the way to success on this one. When a Dem stands with the Second Amendment, they get supported, even if it means a GOPer goes under the bus. It not only helps build numbers, it acts as a powerful deterrent to GOPers who might be tempted to stray.

JohnGalt23 on May 26, 2013 at 1:35 PM

Very true. The NRA endorsed Harry Reid in 2010.

David Keene, who is president of the NRA, would sell his mother’s soul to the devil. Grover Norquest is a Borrd member. Enough said.

bw222 on May 26, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Jazz follows him on twitter.. how cute.

wolly4321 on May 26, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Surely, this didn’t surprise you give what Shaw has sown himself to be since he first appeared here. This place has done nothing but fall since Malkin sold it. One of the biggest mistakes she made was bringing Morrissey in. Currently, the only people being published here are, at best, squishes.

Quartermaster on May 26, 2013 at 2:43 PM

The big genius whose bright idea it was to have Rick Lazio wave that paper in front of Hillary’s face at their debate back in 2000, thereby ensuring Hillary’s election to the Senate.

Murphy thought that showing everyone that Lazio reeeeeeally cared about campaign finance reform was worth having his candidate look like a stomping, woman-bullying jerk. Of course campaign finance reform was such a huuuuge issue to New Yorkers back in 2000. Not.

I’ve always thought Murphy was an idiot since then. This is only one more in a series of confirmations.

Dreadnought on May 26, 2013 at 3:08 PM

et tu brute

Nobody should be surprised at this latest move by rino Mikey, just add it to the list. The card carrying club of these creeps expands each and every day.

De Oppresso Liber on May 26, 2013 at 3:13 PM

I’ve always thought Murphy was an idiot since then. This is only one more in a series of confirmations.

Dreadnought on May 26, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Oh yeah. He’s a massive dipsh*t.

The tragedy of that story was that Lazio actually had a shot at beating Hillary. People forget how popular he was at the time.

rrpjr on May 26, 2013 at 3:15 PM

I’ve always thought Murphy was an idiot since then. This is only one more in a series of confirmations.

Dreadnought on May 26, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Oh yeah. He’s a massive dipsh*t.

The tragedy of that story was that Lazio actually had a shot at beating Hillary. People forget how popular he was at the time.

rrpjr on May 26, 2013 at 3:15 PM

True. Polls had it neck and neck until that point. Afterwards, Hillary pulled away.

Dreadnought on May 26, 2013 at 3:18 PM

So we now find out that Mike Murphy is a turncoat on 2nd Amendment rights. All I can say is follow the money.

simkeith on May 26, 2013 at 3:27 PM

No, QM, I like Ed. And AP, Erika. I don’t see it that way.

wolly4321 on May 26, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Republicans, …, controlling government is always a good thing.

Punchenko on May 26, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Seriously?

TitularHead on May 26, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Jazz, you also forgot to mention that Murphy is currently serving as an integral member of Gov. Whitman’s communications team.

steebo77 on May 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Jazz, you also forgot to mention that Murphy is currently serving as an integral member of Gov. Whitman’s communications team.

steebo77 on May 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM

We talking about former gov. Christie maverick jr. Whitman? If so who is she communicating with?

arnold ziffel on May 26, 2013 at 3:36 PM

We talking about former gov. Christie maverick jr. Whitman? If so who is she communicating with?

arnold ziffel on May 26, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Actually, current California Governor Meg Whitman.

steebo77 on May 26, 2013 at 3:39 PM

I follow him on Twitter.

I followed him when i first joined twitter, but it became clear he was a con artist, just one more political consultant who will say whatever brings in the money and work with whoever is willing to write the checks. And of course there’s always this.

clearbluesky on May 26, 2013 at 3:52 PM

God damn the fools.

Schadenfreude on May 26, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Interesting read from a moderate who was actually considering voting for the light worker. Please be for conservatism or against it.

http://themoderatevoice.com/20919/when-the-bloom-is-off-obamas-rose/

Valiant on May 26, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Actually, current California Governor Meg Whitman.

steebo77 on May 26, 2013 at 3:39 PM

I love you. Forgot all about that pearl and I even live here in hell.

arnold ziffel on May 26, 2013 at 4:00 PM

…worked on Meg Whitman’s California governor’s race in 2010

doesn’t jib with somewhat smart, unless he’s working for the “hey let’s reelect 110 year old Jerry Brown – because he’s got a fresh outlook for California in keeping with the spirit of Prop 28, the California term limits” team.

Wolf in sheeps clothes.

papertiger on May 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM

But none of that changes the fact that I’ve got to look at him in a somewhat different light now. You have to know who the enemy is, even if he’s popping up in your own back yard.

All he is a common mercenary. He has no principles that cannot be purchased for the right price.

It’s not really a surprise. A good portion of these people would sell grandma for a buck and a half. What is surprising the lack of any kind of subtlety, but that may speak more for the stupidity (or perceived stupidity) of the GOP in that this mercenary thinks this is probably okay and he’ll still get work in the future.

It’s just business, right?

kim roy on May 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Kim has it right, Murphy is a mercenary. Anyone who couldn’t figure that out by 2008 was either naive or brain dead.

oryguncon on May 26, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Anyone who has been paying attention (soory Jazz, that leaves out you) realizes that Murphy currently is, has always been and will always be a whore – a man without principles or ethics who would sell his mother’s soul to the devil and only lose sleep wondering if he got top dollar.

bw222 on May 26, 2013 at 5:22 PM

One of the biggest mistakes she made was bringing Morrissey in. Currently, the only people being published here are, at best, squishes.

Quartermaster on May 26, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Very true. The ladies come the closest to being conservatrives, but they too fsall short.

bw222 on May 26, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Murphy is a POS who has been involved in every losing Republican effort for the past 20 years. Yet, GOP elites consider him their friend and Cruz and Palin enemies.

bw222 on May 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Yeah, not a real newsflash. Snake in the grass is STILL a snake in the grass.

Fallon on May 26, 2013 at 5:27 PM

I’m getting caught up after the race …….
Who ever thought this joke off was conservative ?

Lucano on May 26, 2013 at 5:34 PM

OT
I’m getting caught up after the Indy 500 race !
Tony Kanaan , the best driver ever , won the race .
Bravo Tony !

Lucano on May 26, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Who ever thought this joke off was conservative ?

Lucano on May 26, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Jazz?

bw222 on May 26, 2013 at 5:49 PM

How do you spell w-h-o-r-e? How do you know one? by the money it takes to buy them. Do they have any principles? Not once they sell themselves.

Pardonme on May 26, 2013 at 6:00 PM

He’s concerned about making a buck.

GarandFan on May 26, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Bingo!!..$$$..:)

PS..Cue Pink Floyd..:)

Dire Straits on May 26, 2013 at 6:10 PM

That’s the problem when they identify as GOP instead of conservative. GOP is a political affiliation; Conservative is a way of looking at the world. Too many in the GOP are not conservatives and will sell out for any number of reasons, not the least of which is usually MONEY.

Cleombrotus on May 26, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Is it the money or the issue for Mr. Murphy?

Cindy Munford on May 26, 2013 at 1:08 PM

All of the above. There is no daylight between the republican establishment and the liberal left.

Think of all the times in the last 30 years when conservatives have been sold out.

Can you think of a time when that has happened to the liberals?

WryTrvllr on May 26, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Nope, it doesn’t seem to happen. I have never thought of crazy and loyal being paired but they sure manage.

Cindy Munford on May 26, 2013 at 1:18 PM

Glenn Greenwald and Cindy Sheehan want to talk to you…

ebrown2 on May 26, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Dropping individuals who are no longer useful to the narrative is not the same as the whole-sale jettisoning of a large contingent sharing a particular political philosophy.
Both sides do the former; the unification of the Democrat-Left no longer requires the latter; the Republican factions* are still fighting for control.

*see separate comment

AesopFan on May 26, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Anyone who has been paying attention (soory Jazz, that leaves out you) realizes that Murphy currently is, has always been and will always be a whore – a man without principles or ethics who would sell his mother’s soul to the devil and only lose sleep wondering if he got top dollar.

bw222 on May 26, 2013 at 5:22 PM

I like your way of saying it better. :)

kim roy on May 26, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Republicans, …, controlling government is always a good thing.

Punchenko on May 26, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Seriously?

TitularHead on May 26, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Compared to the alternative, YES.

Punchenko on May 26, 2013 at 6:54 PM

*The alignment of political philosophy and political party is a long-standing problem, and most civilizations have run their ship of state aground on the sand-bar of fluctuating loyalties at one time or another, sometimes to the extent of total civic collapse.

An exercise for the mathematically inclined:
Assume that Reagan’s “three-legged stool” includes all of the factors determining a political philosophy (a gross over-simplification):

He frequently reminded Republicans of various stripes that the GOP was a three-legged stool, consisting of social, fiscal, and defense conservatives. Each of these stools belonged in the GOP, and none of them was more important than the others.

Assuming that each “leg” is binary (conservative v. not-conservative,
because the opposite of conservative is NOT liberal), then there are 8 possible political philosophies (another gross over-simplification).
(Sc, Fc, Dc), (Sc, Fc, Dn), (Sc, Fn, Dc), (Sn, Fc, Dc)
(Sc, Fn, Dn), (Sn, Fc, Dn), (Sn, Fn, Dc), (Sn, Fn, Dn)

Only one of these sets (the first) is fully conservative; only one (the last) is fully not-conservative.

Is there any one factor which MUST be conservative for that set to be included in the “pure” Republican Party?

How many factors can be non-conservative before that set is excluded from the “pure” Republican Party? Does it matter which ones?

The first apparently occurs only in the Republican Party.
The last seems to occur in both parties.
Someone who knows the Congress better than I might be able to say which of the other six occur only in one party or the other; news stories suggest they are existent in both.

The idealogues of the Democrat leadership have been better at rewarding people who support total Sn-Fn-Dn policies and punishing those who lean Sc-Fc-Dc on any factor.

The Republicans are ambiguous and inconsistent in rewards and punishments, and often support “n” positions over “c” positions, which gives the “mixed set” Congressmen no incentive to shift to “full conservative” positions.

Here’s why the over-simplification of the factors causes a problem:
none of them are truly binary (an Sc Congressman might be squishy on some First amendment freedoms but on-board for Second Amendment rights; as Sn might be the reverse).
How many sub-factors of each “leg” have to be C or N to make the cut in one direction or the other?

Is any part of Conservatism non-negotiable — not optional — in order for someone to be “allowed” to call themselves a Conservative?
Who is going to be the arbiter?

If the Republican Party is to be reclaimed by Conservatives, those questions have to be answered in the abstract, and then the answers have to be enforced in the concrete. So long as money and power are concentrated in the existing Parties, this isn’t going to happen.

AesopFan on May 26, 2013 at 7:24 PM

How is Jazz surprised by this Murphy?

He probably missed the point on One Flew Over the Cuckoos nest, too.

renalin on May 26, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Republicans, …, controlling government is always a good thing.
Punchenko on May 26, 2013 at 1:29 PM

Seriously?

TitularHead on May 26, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Compared to the alternative, YES.

Punchenko on May 26, 2013 at 6:54 PM

I’d heard that there were still folks that believed in the Republican party.

Nice to meet you.

TitularHead on May 26, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Pond scum acts scummy.

Ted Torgerson on May 26, 2013 at 9:19 PM

Is any part of Conservatism non-negotiable — not optional — in order for someone to be “allowed” to call themselves a Conservative?
Who is going to be the arbiter?

AesopFan on May 26, 2013 at 7:24 PM

.
The Founding Fathers used God and the Christian Bible to define “non-negotiable absolutes.” ( but they defaulted on the issue of slavery ).

That’s been my take all along.

listens2glenn on May 26, 2013 at 9:30 PM

Always enjoyed Jazz’s pieces, even if I don’t always agree with him. Never figured him as a fan of amoral, sleazy political whores, though.

Jaibones on May 26, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Is any part of Conservatism non-negotiable — not optional — in order for someone to be “allowed” to call themselves a Conservative?
Who is going to be the arbiter?

Alex, I’ll take property rights for $500

WryTrvllr on May 26, 2013 at 9:49 PM

I think Jazz Shaw has this Mike Murphy confused with another he may know.

JR on May 26, 2013 at 10:01 PM

Political consultants……..the whores of the Ruling class.

Who knew sluttery was such a widespread industry?

PappyD61 on May 26, 2013 at 11:12 PM

You have to know who the enemy is, even if he’s popping up in your own back yard.

Should be, “You have to know who the enemy is, even if he’s pooping in your own back yard.”

moonsbreath on May 26, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Why the surprise? Political strategists are mercenaries. They will join whoever pays more or whatever gives them better credentials. They do this job for themselves and not for the party or a political view.

ptcamn on May 27, 2013 at 1:32 AM

Much less they do anything to defend the Constitution or someone’s rights.

ptcamn on May 27, 2013 at 1:33 AM

But none of that changes the fact that I’ve got to look at him in a somewhat different light now. You have to know who the enemy is, even if he’s popping up in your own back yard.

You’re just now deciding Mike Murphy is a problematic republican?

Kjeil on May 27, 2013 at 1:51 AM

RINO hack strategists are a major reason for GOP losses. When choosing candidates in the primaries, we need to consider who they have hired for campaign staff. For example, any Republican who hires this Mike Murphy douchebag should never get our vote.

MPan on May 27, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Murphy has long since worn out his “GOP strategist” gimmick. Run along and join Charlie Crist already.

cicerone on May 26, 2013 at 1:12 PM

THIS.

Yes,indeed. It’s clever to CALL yourself a GOP strategist and get to work both sides of the fence; it so opens up the opportunity for profit, doesn’t it?

Just ask David Brooks!

Murphy IS the ENEMY now.

mountainaires on May 27, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Murphy:
A Weasel – always was, always will be.

Another Drew on May 27, 2013 at 12:04 PM

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