Fiscal conservatism on the decline?

posted at 8:31 am on May 25, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

After two full election cycles where Americans debated the need to reign in spending, debt and the dubious future of entitlement programs and our nation’s fiscal viability, has the bloom started to come off the rose? A new poll from Gallup has some potentially worrying portents in the top lines.

Forty-one percent of Americans now characterize their economic views as “conservative,” or “very conservative,” the lowest since President Barack Obama took office in 2009 and on par with where views were in May 2008. This year’s downtick in the percentage of Americans identifying as economically conservative has been accompanied by an uptick in the percentage identifying as economically moderate — now 37% of Americans, up from 32% last year.

At the same time, this long running poll shows that the portion of Americans describing their views on social issues as either conservative or very conservative dropping to 35%, tying a low point for the last dozen years. Is this some sort of reason for celebration on the Left? Michael New at National Review sees it as a mixed bag, at least for social conservatives.

This week Gallup released their annual survey that asks Americans to rate the morality of various social issues. Overall, the news was not particularly good for social conservatives. On a variety of issues relating to sex and marriage, Americans are becoming more social liberal. Since 2001, a significantly smaller percentage of Americans are morally opposed to gay and lesbian relations, divorce, and sex between unmarried individuals. There was even a seven-percentage-point increase in the number of Americans who thought polygamy was morally acceptable.

Those numbers are more nuanced than the economic ones, as usually happens in these studies. But those seeking to reign in the government credit card do seem to be on the decline at the moment. But why? Part of the reason may be that people are seeing some signs of life in the economy. Not massive signs of improvement, obviously, but the stock market is up and some additional jobs are coming on line. The lack of a pressing threat, sadly, tends to make people more willing to put their problems off until tomorrow.

Also, fiscal conservatism is hard. Let’s face it… the idea of doing with less for yourself in exchange for a long term benefit for future generations requires a bit more vision than you’ll find in the average shopping mall skateboard club. It was never going to be an easy sell, and if it looks like the party lights are being turned back on – even slightly – there will be a percentage of the pack ready to stock up on drinks and head back to the festivities, running up the tab.

But it will take a few more quarters of trending before we should hit the panic button. Trends are important, but so is the final tally. While those describing themselves as either conservative or very conservative on economic matters reached a high of 51% in 2010, it’s still sitting at 41%. And that is in comparison to only 19% who self-identify as either liberal or very liberal. It’s a change, but winning by a more than two to one margin still ain’t peanuts.


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There was even a seven-percentage-point increase in the number of Americans who thought polygamy was morally acceptable.

Not surprisingly. Look at the road we’re on.

.. the same time, this long running poll shows that the portion of Americans describing their views on social issues as either conservative or very conservative dropping to 35%, tying a low point for the last dozen years.

Good luck America and don’t come crying to me. If I have to hear one more person tell me about how hard of time they are having finding a job…I just may scream. Idiocracy.

CW on May 25, 2013 at 8:36 AM

“The rumor of my demise has been greatly exaggerated”, /conservative

trs on May 25, 2013 at 8:37 AM

Did America embrace homosexuality through thoughtful discourse & research?

No.

We saw a never-ending parade of nice homosexual characters on TV & in movies.

Homosexuality is still a very unhealthy (& very immoral) lifestyle.

itsnotaboutme on May 25, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Also, fiscal conservatism is hard. Let’s face it… the idea of doing with less for yourself in exchange for a long term benefit for future generations requires a bit more vision than you’ll find in the average shopping mall skateboard club.

The LIV hasn’t connected the dots yet…But they will.

workingclass artist on May 25, 2013 at 8:40 AM

“Fifty-four percent of Americans say Congress should cut spending from current levels and 62 percent say Congress should forget about gun control and move on to other issues.

Social Security is widely popular, with 65 percent having a favorable view of the retirement portions of the program. But it’s also widely misunderstood as an individual retirement account rather than a transfer payment financed by current tax dollars.

A plurality – 45 percent of respondents – still dislike Obamacare and one in five Americans qualifies as libertarian based on responses to questions about the role of the government in social and economic affairs.

Full details from the latest The Reason-Rupe Poll, a quarterly, national survey of 1,003 people via cell phones and landlines, are online here. Past results are also online…”

http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/05/24/reason-rupe-poll-on-the-budget-guns-and

workingclass artist on May 25, 2013 at 8:41 AM

O/T…Uhoh…

” The Government Wants A Backdoor Into Your Online Communications

According to the New York Times, President Obama is “on the verge of backing” a proposal by the FBI to introduce legislation dramatically expanding the reach of the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, or CALEA. CALEA forces telephone companies to provide backdoors to the government so that it can spy on users after obtaining court approval, and was expanded in 2006 to reach Internet technologies like VoIP. The new proposal reportedly allows the FBI to listen in on any conversation online, regardless of the technology used, by mandating engineers build “backdoors” into communications software. We urge EFF supporters to tell the administration now to stop this proposal, provisionally called CALEA II.

The rumored proposal is a tremendous blow to security and privacy and is based on the FBI’s complaint that it is “Going Dark,” or unable to listen in on Internet users’ communications. But the FBI has offered few concrete examples and no significant numbers of situations where it has been stymied by communications technology like encryption. To the contrary, with the growth of digital communications, the FBI has an unprecedented level of access to our communications and personal data; access which it regularly uses. In an age where the government claims to want to beef up Internet security, any backdoors into our communications makes our infrastructure weaker…

Backdoors also take away developers’ right to innovate and users’ right to protect their privacy and First Amendment-protected anonymity of speech with the technologies of their choice. The FBI’s dream of an Internet where it can listen to anything, even with a court order, is wrong and inconsistent with our values. One should be able to have a private conversation online, just as one can have a private conversation in person.

The White House is currently debating whether or not to introduce the bill. Here’s why it shouldn’t…”

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/05/caleatwo

workingclass artist on May 25, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Gallup is a popularity poll, of popular issues. Click on the link to the survey and at the bottom you can link to the survey where is says: “View methodolgy…” 50% of the respondents are from “lists” (which lists?) of cell phone users… 50% from land line. I think there is a problem modeling surveys based on phone use now. But this is not a survey of scholarly thinking, not a survey of political pundits thinking, just a buzz word survey, like a marketing survey.

The media uses these polls now to check how it is going on their shaping of public opinion. And, it doesn’t matter if we sample how many people want ice cream for dinner, or diamond rings, if those things are not conceivable. “Would you vote for No War ever again” “OK.” “I vote for everyone to get $100 per hour at their Walmart job.” “OK.”

And of course, there are always questions intended to put down the republicans in congress. Remember, no matter how you feel don’t tell the pollster that you hate Mitch McConnell or John Boehner, or Mark Rubio. Those opinons they set in stone that no one agrees with “conservatives.”

Fleuries on May 25, 2013 at 8:48 AM

Social Security is widely popular, with 65 percent having a favorable view of the retirement portions of the program

workingclass artist on May 25, 2013 at 8:41 AM

America was tricked a long time ago. Hard to go back now once some have little choice but to rely on the system.

CW on May 25, 2013 at 8:49 AM

I repeat myself: I have lost faith in humanity.

BigGator5 on May 25, 2013 at 8:54 AM

I don’t mean to sound doomy … but … I think the ultra liberal mind set is winning in many ways. Gay marriage, people who AREN’T marrying, politically correct speech … it just goes on and on and on. This whole IRS thing has me spooked. I can’t find it now, but I have read a few articles about the IRS perusing Facebook and Twitter – I feel like they are logging every click I make for Mark Steyn or John Stossel and making a tally. It has gotten to the point where I think very hard before liking a picture or article – even posting here. How crazy is that? What really gets me is the way all my uber liberal acquaintances – those who put up the red equal picture for gay marriage and pooh pooh the Boston Bombers religion having anything to do with anything, live the most CONSERVATIVE (or what they have decried as establishment, conservative) lifestyles! They are married with two, three, four kids! They live in traditional, suburban kinds of neighborhoods. They post pictures of weddings held at country clubs and vacations at beaches in high rise condos built by evil developers that they drove to in gas guzzling SUV’s.

djl130 on May 25, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Don’t believe the hype — this revolution will not be televised.

mjbrooks3 on May 25, 2013 at 8:58 AM

I find polls to be utterly useless, put out more to be a news story instead of actually reporting one. Besides, does Congress actually listen to the people any more, especially when it comes to matters of spending?

To fix the situation, we’d have to stop borrowing completely. That’s about a third of what’s spent every year. The size of government instantly shrinks, and Congress will never do that. Plus, all those people out of work will burden an already strapped unemployment system.

Out of the remaining two trillion or so of a budget that can exist because of tax revenues, we’d still need twenty five years or so to pay off the existing debt of around $17 trillion at one trillion a year. That leaves the last trillion usable for a fiscal year. Government would be tiny compared to now, all the entitlement programs would be gone, and just about everything else that relies on government would come to a grinding halt (goodbye, Planned Parenthood!).

Of course I’m tossing out ballpark figures for sake of illustration. In any case, Congress will never fix the mess they started created in 1965. With a bunch of illegals possibly getting amnesty, which will add about $9 trillion more to the national debt a decade from now, we’d probably do better to turn the country over to the UN and move to Canada.

Liam on May 25, 2013 at 9:04 AM

…but winning by a more than two to one margin still ain’t peanuts.

If this is what fiscal conservatism ‘winning’ looks like, what does losing look like?

Fenris on May 25, 2013 at 9:11 AM

‘Toon of the Day: Bo, Fetch! I Need The News Of My Administration!

Resist We Much on May 25, 2013 at 8:53

Clint Eastwood’s empty chair should now feature a newspaper open to the sports pages.

onlineanalyst on May 25, 2013 at 9:12 AM

I don’t mean to sound doomy … but … I think the ultra liberal mind set is winning in many ways. Gay marriage, people who AREN’T marrying, politically correct speech … it just goes on and on and on. This whole IRS thing has me spooked. I can’t find it now, but I have read a few articles about the IRS perusing Facebook and Twitter – I feel like they are logging every click I make for Mark Steyn or John Stossel and making a tally. It has gotten to the point where I think very hard before liking a picture or article – even posting here. How crazy is that? What really gets me is the way all my uber liberal acquaintances – those who put up the red equal picture for gay marriage and pooh pooh the Boston Bombers religion having anything to do with anything, live the most CONSERVATIVE (or what they have decried as establishment, conservative) lifestyles! They are married with two, three, four kids! They live in traditional, suburban kinds of neighborhoods. They post pictures of weddings held at country clubs and vacations at beaches in high rise condos built by evil developers that they drove to in gas guzzling SUV’s.

djl130 on May 25, 2013 at 8:55 AM

http://www.amazon.com/Do-Say-Not-Hypocrisy-ebook/dp/B000FCKGSE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369487875&sr=8-1&keywords=do+say+peter

ebrown2 on May 25, 2013 at 9:18 AM

These economic views will change…. after we collapse.

MPan on May 25, 2013 at 9:20 AM

You’ll always have a majority preferring fiscally liberal policies up to the point that it is feasible. Conservatives need to make it unfeasible the way we made it unfeasible for the Soviet Union. We’ll see it become unfeasible in Europe before here because the host will start opting out.

The driver of world liberalism is the dollar. The US dollar. Everything is piggybacking off of it. Conservatives should demand we strip the “In God We Trust” blasphemy away and make everyone consider who they really should be trusting in regards to the dollar.

Buddahpundit on May 25, 2013 at 9:29 AM

The thing about pendulums is that they swing both ways.

LASue on May 25, 2013 at 9:31 AM

” The Government Wants A Backdoor Into Your Online Communications

According to the New York Times, President Obama is “on the verge of backing” a proposal by the FBI to introduce legislation dramatically expanding the reach of the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, or CALEA. CALEA forces telephone companies to provide backdoors to the government so that it can spy on users after obtaining court approval, and was expanded in 2006 to reach Internet technologies like VoIP. The new proposal reportedly allows the FBI to listen in on any conversation online, regardless of the technology used, by mandating engineers build “backdoors” into communications software. We urge EFF supporters to tell the administration now to stop this proposal, provisionally called CALEA II.

Actually, they can do that now, without the “backdoor”. Federal law going back to the days of the telegraph (the very first example of “online encryption”) mandates that any commercially-used encryption system for communications, from old-time commercial “telegraph codes” (which used three-letter groups to represent common phrases to cut message costs) to the encryptions used by cellphone companies and ISPs today, be both registerd with the FCC and be accessible to them, i.e., the Feds have the “source code” and can read the “plaintext” at any time- with a court order or search warrant. This was done originally to prevent foreign intelligence agents from hiding their communications with their employers in bogus “commercial” messages, but the law is still on the books and can be applied.

The rumored proposal is a tremendous blow to security and privacy and is based on the FBI’s complaint that it is “Going Dark,” or unable to listen in on Internet users’ communications. But the FBI has offered few concrete examples and no significant numbers of situations where it has been stymied by communications technology like encryption. To the contrary, with the growth of digital communications, the FBI has an unprecedented level of access to our communications and personal data; access which it regularly uses.

The first rule of the Internet is; Don’t say it unless you want the world to know you said it, because it will be “out there” forever. If the Bureau can’t access online chats, blogs, news sites (like this one) or blogs, to say nothing of Twitter, Facebook, etc., they don’t need “greater powers”. They need somebody under thirty who actually knows how to use an iPad.

Backdoors also take away developers’ right to innovate and users’ right to protect their privacy and First Amendment-protected anonymity of speech with the technologies of their choice. The FBI’s dream of an Internet where it can listen to anything, even with a court order, is wrong and inconsistent with our values. One should be able to have a private conversation online, just as one can have a private conversation in person.

workingclass artist on May 25, 2013 at 8:44 AM

No argument here, except that if the Bureau can’t access almost anything “in the cloud”, print, voice, or whatever, right now, even without a warrant, it tells me that the problem isn’t the Net. It’s that they don’t understand how it works.

Instead of greater legal search powers, they really need a better IT guy.

cheers

eon

eon on May 25, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Dude, we are sitting in the middle of a repeat of the Great Depression, again caused by massive government overspending, and the number of people that have a problem with that is going down?

Count to 10 on May 25, 2013 at 9:34 AM

I find the lack of desire to do better a bit daunting. We have a weird mixture of people who want instant gratification while willing to except whatever others are willing to provide for them. I can’t explain it but we’re doing it wrong.

Cindy Munford on May 25, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Except there is NO MORE MONEY.

Much of what we think of as wealth is not cash or assets but obligations, backed by obligations, backed by obligations, backed by…. It is a Keynesian bubble of enormous proportions. There some real liquid assets left, private retirement accounts, corporate liquid assets, philanthropies, pension funds, some – but not all or even most – bonds (Greek bonds, Italian bonds, Spanish bonds, Argentine bonds?).

The bubble is going to pop somewhere. I would bet on Japan, followed by Europe, then South America.

After that we will see what remains of conventional wisdom and dogma.

Viator on May 25, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Get back to me in 2014, say around June, when Obamacarepalooza really starts hitting the fan. I see a 20point uptick in that figure.

can_con on May 25, 2013 at 9:55 AM

My experience is that fiscal conservatives are not to be trusted. Typically they identify as such to magnify their lack of social conservatism (like jazz). These people always gravitate away from any kind of conservatism (I.e. McCain). They have no real core principles or reason for adhering to them.

2nd problem is the public education system has fully implemented the leftist brainwashing of your children. There is no wave of new conservatives coming. We are the last generation of any kind of conservatism. Polls like this will continue to widen.

kpguru on May 25, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Shameless plug for Jazz: Listen to the nationally syndicated ‘America’s Morning News w/ John & Dana’ at 6:25 A.M. ET every Monday morning to hear Jazz’s take on current events.

locomotivebreath1901 on May 25, 2013 at 9:58 AM

The voice of those calling for sanity was effectively silenced by the IRS and other government agencies threatening and intimidating them.

These attitudes are on the increase because there has been few willing to stick themselves out there.

Maybe with the exposure of the government abuse, by the advocates of a the new degenerate life… morality will be politically correct once again.

petunia on May 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM

kpguru on May 25, 2013 at 9:56 AM

So not spending more than you have and not stealing money to cover some of the cost of things not covered in the Constitution is a cover for those evil social conservatives? I don’t get that. As for the schools, I’d be willing to bet that those same nasty social conservatives tried to tell people that we were on a slippery slope towards the destruction of the education system but all anyone wanted to believe was that it was about prayers in school.

Cindy Munford on May 25, 2013 at 10:04 AM

Viator on May 25, 2013 at 9:54 AM

You’re pretty much right, in that all this wealth exists on paper. There aren’t enough commodities like precious metals or gems to cover the actual value of assets or debts. The idea of being $17 trillion in debt boggles my mind. I never would have thought there’s that much money in the world. And at one time, there wasn’t.

Government knows this, which is why there’s an idea kicking around for Washington to assume ‘management’ over all private retirement accounts. They’re estimated at $19 trillion in total holdings. At some point, I can see them making a move to do it.

They’re taxing everything they can think of now. In NJ, Trenton wants to impose a mileage tax. Maryland just imposed a ‘rain tax’, based on mow much paving is on a person’s property and calculating the runoff from that and working from there.

Art some point, it’s going to have break, like you said. I hope I’m in the ground five minutes before it happens, because it’s not going to be pretty.

Liam on May 25, 2013 at 10:05 AM

I think this poll just shows that most Americans don’t know what Fiscal means… They thought you meant athletic and tough.

Kaptain Amerika on May 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM

But it will take a few more quarters of trending before we should hit the panic button. Trends are important, but so is the final tally.

The wildcard here is when the mandatory costs of ObamaCare kick in. Some people who’ve gotten use to the ‘new normal’ of unemployment in the 8 percent range with 23 months of jobless benefits to soften the blow won’t be particularly happy about government spending when more starts coming out of their paychecks, though you can be sure Team Obama and the big media will be spinning this fall that it’s not the government, it’s the evil insurance companies doing this. If the public doesn’t swallow that, expect the trend lines for fiscal conservatism to start going back up.

jon1979 on May 25, 2013 at 10:32 AM

“The rumor of my demise has been greatly exaggerated”, /conservative

trs on May 25, 2013 at 8:37 AM

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With that ‘sarc slash’, I can’t tell if you’re for it or agin’ it.
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Don’t believe the hype — this revolution will not be televised.

mjbrooks3 on May 25, 2013 at 8:58 AM

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It sure won’t.

listens2glenn on May 25, 2013 at 10:40 AM

LET IT BURN!! The American People have spoken.

RoadRunner on May 25, 2013 at 11:06 AM

2nd problem is the public education system has fully implemented the leftist brainwashing of your children. There is no wave of new conservatives coming. We are the last generation of any kind of conservatism. Polls like this will continue to widen.

Not entirely true. Homeschooling is rearing a very creative and motivated new generation of kids. There aren’t nearly as many homeschoolers as public schoolers yet but the movement is growing. History has shown that it doesn’t take a majority to start a revolution. Unless of course the REB outlaws homeschooling with an EO or something.

cornbred on May 25, 2013 at 11:16 AM

OT- 11 o’clock,, and under 100 comments. All threads. (2)

With so much going on…. ?

wolly4321 on May 25, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Fiscal conservatism?

Hasn’t existed in DC for ages. It conflicts with the goals of leadership in both parties.

hawkeye54 on May 25, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Homeschooling is rearing a very creative and motivated new generation of kids. There aren’t nearly as many homeschoolers as public schoolers yet but the movement is growing. History has shown that it doesn’t take a majority to start a revolution. Unless of course the REB outlaws homeschooling with an EO or something.

I would fear hostile government reaction to the growing concept of homeschooling. Such as banning it. No one should be able to escape leftist indoctrination. As an example, look to the christian German family who immigrated here to escape Germany’s homeschooling ban so their children could be homeschooled:

A German family that fled to the United States in 2008 to home school their children is on the verge of deportation after a Tennessee appeals court denied a request for asylum.

Uwe and Hannelore Romeike, devout Christians from the southwest of Germany who now have six children, came to the United States in 2008 after the German government threatened them with legal action for home-schooling their children, which is banned in Germany.

They were initially granted asylum by a US judge who believed Germany had restricted their religious freedom.

The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, however, ruled this week in favor of the Obama administration, which challenged the family’s asylum on the grounds that Germany’s ban on home-schooling did not constitute persecution and thus could not be used as a basis for political asylum in the United States.

hawkeye54 on May 25, 2013 at 11:30 AM

hawkeye54 on May 25, 2013 at 11:30 AM

But if you’re a muzzie from a country that ends in ‘stan’, your refugee visa is rubber stamped. Welcome to America, join the line for food stamps, welfare and Section 8 housing, Obamaphones, etc.

slickwillie2001 on May 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM

This is what happens when the GOP thinks you can divorce fiscal conservatism from social conservatism. A government cannot be fiscally conservative unless it has a populace that is able to govern itself and exercise self-control. When you teach people to do whatever they want without regard to consequences, you necessarily invite more government intervention.

boone on May 25, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Also, fiscal conservatism is hard. Let’s face it… the idea of doing with less for yourself in exchange for a long term benefit for future generations requires a bit more vision than you’ll find in the average shopping mall skateboard club.

The “future generations” angle has always seemed self-defeating to me. Sure, there are many who empathize with their children and grandchildren and worry more for them than they do for themselves, but they’re largely the exception. We are, by nature, selfish, and as much as we may care for the futures of the next generations, many either have no offspring or care more for themselves than they do for their offspring whether they admit it or not. The notion that spending beyond one’s means might cause others to have to sacrifice later for one’s own ignorance and greed now is a gamble most are willing to take. When people feel entitled to more for themselves now when conditions cannot continue to support that, physics will dictate that their failure to learn the easy lesson now will necessarily cause them to learn the hard way later when there is no longer anything from which to provide what they feel entitled to.

fitzfong on May 25, 2013 at 12:17 PM

The Tea Party has damaged conservatism for decades to come. End of story. Their short sighted, narrow minded, naive approach to government has left most Americans with a skewed, negative perception of what true conservatism is.

NoStoppingUs on May 25, 2013 at 12:32 PM

The Tea Party has damaged conservatism for decades to come. End of story. Their short sighted, narrow minded, naive approach to government has left most Americans with a skewed, negative perception of what true conservatism is.

NoStoppingUs on May 25, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Oh, do tell, genius.

fitzfong on May 25, 2013 at 12:41 PM

The Tea Party has damaged conservatism for decades to come. End of story. Their short sighted, narrow minded, naive approach to government has left most Americans with a skewed, negative perception of what true conservatism is.

NoStoppingUs on May 25, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Is that you Lois?

slickwillie2001 on May 25, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Look what’s on the rise, though.

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2013 at 1:01 PM

NoStoppingUs on May 25, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Idiot

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Why should this surprise anyone. First, to be a conservative you can’t be a low information voter. Secondly, you have to be able to look at the news and understand they’re not actually reporting, but spreading a political view. Finally, you have to understand the PC movement and it’s ultimate goal. It’s not to help anyone, the pc movement is there to stifle speech and that’s why there are less conservatives because the PC movement has been so successful.

bflat879 on May 25, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Also, fiscal conservatism is hard. Let’s face it… the idea of doing with less for yourself in exchange for a long term benefit for future generations requires a bit more vision than you’ll find in the average shopping mall skateboard club. It was never going to be an easy sell, and if it looks like the party lights are being turned back on – even slightly – there will be a percentage of the pack ready to stock up on drinks and head back to the festivities, running up the tab.

This is exactly the problem. Conservatives are trying to sell the WRONG message. This isn’t about less now for security for future generations. This should be about drastic measures to head off financial ruin in the immediate to near-term future. The Left is great to scare tactics. Maybe it’s time for the Right to use the same tactics and get their message across through emotion instead of reason.

Scopper on May 25, 2013 at 1:13 PM

We need leaders. Someone who can cut through all the bull and get to those idiot low information voters.

Why is small government better than big government? Why is conservatism better than liberalism or progressivism? It isn’t good enough to come on message boards and spout the gospel. We need leaders, and we have none right now.

Jack_Burton on May 25, 2013 at 1:52 PM

IT’s been on the decline for a long time now. Even Paul Ryan’s budget doesn’t cut anything, it just slows the rate of growth. What a joke.

Still waiting for a real conservative to advocate cutting:
1) EPA
2) DOE (energy and education)
3) NPR
4) PBS
5) Medicare
6) Social Security
7) Medicaid
8) Farm and ethanol subsidies
9) Green energy subsidies
10) DHS–BTW how can DHS buy all this ammo at record high prices?
11) Student loan subsidies

My guess is, this will never happen….

nazo311 on May 25, 2013 at 2:50 PM

IT’s been on the decline for a long time now. Even Paul Ryan’s budget doesn’t cut anything, it just slows the rate of growth. What a joke.

Still waiting for a real conservative to advocate cutting:
1) EPA
2) DOE (energy and education)
3) NPR
4) PBS
5) Medicare
6) Social Security
7) Medicaid
8) Farm and ethanol subsidies
9) Green energy subsidies
10) DHS–BTW how can DHS buy all this ammo at record high prices?
11) Student loan subsidies

My guess is, this will never happen….

nazo311 on May 25, 2013 at 2:50 PM

And by cut I mean ELIMINATE!

nazo311 on May 25, 2013 at 2:51 PM