Video: Why has Cindy Thomas not been called to testify on IRS corruption?

posted at 8:41 am on May 24, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Fox 19 continues its investigative reporting into the scandal at the IRS office, focusing on the local Cincinnati office and filling in more of its organizational chart. Once again, the focus falles on Cindy Thomas, the highest-ranking official at this office. Thomas was two levels below Lois Lerner, but Fox 19′s sources within the IRS office say that the two worked very closely on policy:

FOX19.com-Cincinnati News, Weather

The puzzle seems to be focused rather closely on Lerner, despite the protestations of innocence that may have fatally undermined her Fifth Amendment claim. Assuming Fox 19′s sources are accurate, Lerner has close working ties with the person managing the unit where the abuse took place. She worked closely enough with IRS Commissioner Steve Miller to conduct the absurd question-planting strategy that blew up in the face of the IRS and magnified the scandal. That’s a lot of circumstantial or direct connection to arguably dishonest actions, and possibly more.

Darrell Issa will bring Lerner back to testify, even though she will continue to assert her Fifth Amendment right rather than answer questions. On the other hand, why did Lerner’s attorney allow her to make that opening statement that put her in jeopardy? Perhaps Lerner has more to say, and wanted to send a signal to the committee that it’s time to play Let’s Make a Deal. She may also worry what will happen when Thomas does get called to testify. We’ll see, but at the moment, she’s the connecting thread through all of this.

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A couple of rogue employees, huh ?

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 8:45 AM

A couple of rogue employees, huh ?

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Obama & Holder?

Fenris on May 24, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Did you see Newt Gingrich on Greta? I did, and he didn’t disappoint. I knew it would be wonderful viewing.

Cindy Thomas?
That Ingram lady who ran the IRS and now runs ObamaCare?
Lerner?

Newt says all these people need to be on the list and this needs to drag out until 2014. Loved his suggestion that Lerner be called back and be asked 50-60-90 questions and let her plead the 5th every time.

Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 8:49 AM

I might have been a babe during Watergate but I remember those hearings on TV for months.

Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 8:51 AM

A couple of rogue low level employees, huh ?

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 8:45 AM

FIFY

chemman on May 24, 2013 at 8:52 AM

This is beginning to look like a malevolent conspiratorial sewing circle…

Oh…am I being insenstive

workingclass artist on May 24, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Subpoena Thomas and others involved with the Cincinnati and D.C. IRS offices, have then either testify on the 501(c)3 situation or take the Fifth, and then call Lerner back.

jon1979 on May 24, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Newt says all these people need to be on the list and this needs to drag out until 2014. Loved his suggestion that Lerner be called back and be asked 50-60-90 questions and let her plead the 5th every time.

Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Indeed…Public Scrutiny!

workingclass artist on May 24, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Next DoJ target…

No, Not Cindy Thomas, of course. Ben Swann.

CJ on May 24, 2013 at 8:55 AM

Pffttt…Fox19…one of “those” stations, not real journalists…just puppets of Roger Ailes…faux news and all that, you know…

There is a lot more real journalism coming out of Cincinnati these days than from NYC and DC.

IRS rogue employees?

Start at the bottom…grab the lowest line employees and charge them with everything….then let them escort us up through the ranks…identifying who told whom, who authorized the time sheets…who directed the workload…who permitted each and every step…right on up to those in the White House who thought this would be a great way to shut up those Tea Party whack jobs…and keep them from organizing, maybe speaking truth to power…or gettin’ out the vote…maybe end the Obama Regime last Fall.

But, won’t see any of this from those major news outlets….CBS/NBC/CNN and all the rest.

coldwarrior on May 24, 2013 at 8:56 AM

I might have been a babe during Watergate but I remember those hearings on TV for months.

Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 8:51 AM

I was eleven or twelve and I remember not being able to watch my favorite shows on TV because the hearings were all that was on.

Odysseus on May 24, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Obama Doctrine: Those who deceive…..get promoted

Obama Promotes Victoria Nuland, Who Edited Benghazi Talking Points

Are we there,there yet?

Rovin on May 24, 2013 at 8:57 AM

She spoke because she is amazed she is being singled out by Congress, when all she is guilty of is working in pursuit of the statist vision. She, like Obama himself, believes government is by definition good and everything done in its name is therefore good. She’s a simple-minded Orwellian monster.

So I think you conclude she isn’t sending any “lets make a deal” signal at all. And, by the way, since we now know her lawyer works at one of Kathryn Ruemmler’s former employers, so lets find out who is paying him. Don’t tell me “pro-bono” because that’s just code for the White House promising favors down the road.

MTF on May 24, 2013 at 8:57 AM

A couple of rogue low level employees, huh ?

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 8:45 AM

FIFY

chemman on May 24, 2013 at 8:52 AM

You are correct. Thanks for

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 8:58 AM

They are figuring out this org chart by talking to people that work in the Cincinnati office, ie real journalism.

Reminds me of the org chart that the FBI had pieced together in ‘The Sopranos’.

Why can’t I get on the internets and download an org chart of the IRS since I’m paying their g-d salaries?

slickwillie2001 on May 24, 2013 at 9:00 AM

C’mon issa get to it

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Can someone send link to Prezzy so he can see the org chart on TV…thanks in advance.

hillsoftx on May 24, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Drip, drip, drip……

It’s going to be epic when this comes crashing down.

I know these people are cultists, but when indictments start being issues, they’ll all be looking out for themselves.

BacaDog on May 24, 2013 at 9:06 AM

New administration line: “It was only a couple of rogue federal agencies.”

Bishop on May 24, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Perhaps Lerner has more to say, and wanted to send a signal to the committee that it’s time to play Let’s Make a Deal.

The arrogance I saw her display did not scream “Let’s Make a Deal” to me. It looked more like FU.

She may also worry what will happen when Thomas does get called to testify.

Not if Thomas also plans to take the 5th.

A higher up doing it sends a signal to the lower levels that they can do it too.

This may come down to Congress granting immunity to someone whether they want it or not, to force them to testify or be held in contempt.

The veiled threats from the Chicago Gang may trump whatever immunity is granted. They may have to offer witness protection or something. And I’m only half kidding. Ask John Kass how serious he thinks Chicago political thugs can get and how far they might go.

farsighted on May 24, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Any sane organization would immediately fire any employee who took the Fifth when asked about their job performance.

AcidReflux on May 24, 2013 at 9:13 AM

I hope Lerner turns against the admin, might happen if they make a deal with her. Maybe if she thinks she would be allowed to retire with her pension if convictions of those above her who planned this whole fiasco. Just throwing out ideas.

Personally I’d like to see them all wearing orange jumpsuits but I’ll settle for the bigwigs.

D-fusit on May 24, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Investigate this like a RICO case, but instead of starting at the bottom and following the money; follow the ideology.

SteveInRTP on May 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM

New administration line: “It was only a couple of rogue federal agencies.”

Bishop on May 24, 2013 at 9:09 AM

The IRS appears to be full of Lone Wolves.

txhsmom on May 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM

The IRS and DOJ appear to be full of Lone Wolves.

txhsmom on May 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM

FIFM

txhsmom on May 24, 2013 at 9:23 AM

I’d like to see them all wearing the experimental environment suits designed for living on Mars, then volunteer every single one to be the first people to set foot on the Red Planet.

“Oh by the way, you do realize this is a one way trip, right? Good luck.”

Bishop on May 24, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Any sane organization would immediately fire any employee who took the Fifth when asked about their job performance.

AcidReflux on May 24, 2013 at 9:13 AM

And that would happen in a heartbeat in the private sector.

But in our brave new Orwellian socialist America, government employed animals are more equal than private sector employed animals. The private sector employed animals are even forced to give up significant portions of their income to provide better pay and better benefits than they get for the government employed animals.

farsighted on May 24, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Why has Cindy Thomas not been called to testify on IRS corruption?

I suspect the committee has already cut a deal with her and she’s ready to dime them all out, with incriminating docs/emails. If that’s the case, it’s smart to hold her back and then get the other witnesses to perjure themselves.

Lerner probably already knows this and, thus, the 5th Amendment claim.

TXUS on May 24, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Have any applications been approved over the past few weeks? You’d think that with the extra scrutiny, at least some would get approved right quick.

cptacek on May 24, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Good reporting.

I am not wildly hopeful that all deserving participants will go to jail over this matter, but if Congress gets around to overhauling the US Tax Code so that it becomes far more fairer and flatter, I would be good with that.

itzWicks on May 24, 2013 at 9:47 AM

So what have we heard from Team Obama so far in this entire affair which has NOT turned out to be a complete lie?

mitchellvii on May 24, 2013 at 9:52 AM

Congress is looking at 68% disapproval of this scandal–and it’s only about three weeks old and has just begun to snowball.

It seems satisfying to break into the jail to lynch the first suspect or two. But slow and steady hammering will win this race. The man on the street is very interested in this.

I think non-ideologue Dems are going to come away realizing that when they jumped into bed with Obama, they jumped into bed with some radical left-wing kooks.

BuckeyeSam on May 24, 2013 at 10:05 AM

This would be really interesting if anyone else actually covered this besides Fox…

right2bright on May 24, 2013 at 10:18 AM

I heard yesterday on Fox News that the staff of the committee was interviewing Cindy Thomas this week…

d1carter on May 24, 2013 at 10:29 AM

I think non-ideologue Dems are going to come away …

BuckeyeSam on May 24, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Not sure such an animal exists, or if it does, it should be on the endangered species list.

AZfederalist on May 24, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Lois better hunker down with security if the powers that be in the Exec branch think she is going to broker a deal for testimony ala John Dean style or she’ll find out about the Chicago way…just sayin’.

buffyvs on May 24, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Well, this is interesting. It appears that Lerner had “signed letters to Tea Party groups a year ago that asked them to turn over everything from printouts of their Facebook pages to the credentials of speakers who participated in their events.”

Jay Sekulow, chief counsel with the American Center for Law and Justice, released a sample letter and it’s posted online here:

http://media.aclj.org/pdf/lois-lerner-targeted-irs-inquiry-letter-3-16-2012.pdf

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/24/irs-official-who-refused-to-testify-resign-signed-tea-party-letters-in-2012/

bluefox on May 24, 2013 at 11:03 AM

The chart says all you need to know . You need a fish not
necessarily the biggest fish , just a fish .
Get them all to testify . Are they all going to take the 5th ?
I think not .

Lucano on May 24, 2013 at 11:15 AM