Revealed: Holder personally vetted Rosen warrant, DOJ fought for prolonged secret monitoring of accounts

posted at 4:40 pm on May 24, 2013 by Allahpundit

It’s 4 p.m. ET as I’m writing this. If you had that time plus “deeper complicity for Holder in the Rosen investigation” in the pool, congrats.

We already knew that he signed the warrant for Rosen’s e-mails. Now we know for sure that it wasn’t pro forma. President Good Government announced yesterday that he’s ordered the Attorney General to review the DOJ’s guidelines for snooping on reporters. Imagine how dismayed Eric Holder will be when he finds out what Eric Holder’s done.

The Justice Department said on Friday that officials up to Attorney General Eric Holder vetted a decision to search an email account belonging to a Fox News reporter whose report on North Korea prompted a leak investigation.

In a statement emailed to Reuters, the department said the search warrant for the reporter’s email account followed all laws and policies and won the independent approval of a federal magistrate judge.

That’s not all. Per Ryan Lizza, the DOJ appealed and won in 2010 after a district court judge ruled that they couldn’t keep their e-mail snooping a secret from Rosen. Why was the DOJ so worried about Rosen finding out? Because: They wanted to maintain access to his e-mail accounts, indefinitely if necessary, to flush out more evidence of leaking. And that’s why Rosen didn’t find out until a few days ago that he was being spied on.

Machen added that “some investigations are continued for many years because, while the evidence is not yet sufficient to bring charges, it is sufficient to have identified criminal subjects and/or criminal activity serious enough to justify continuation of the investigation.”

Machen insisted the investigation would be compromised if Rosen was informed of the warrant, and also asked the court to order Google not to notify Rosen that the company had handed over Rosen’s e-mails to the government. Rosen, according to recent reports, did not learn that the government seized his e-mail records until it was reported in the Washington Post last week.

The new details indicate that the government wanted the option to search Rosen’s e-mails repeatedly if the F.B.I. found further evidence implicating the reporter in what prosecutors argued was a conspiracy to commit espionage.

“Machen,” by the way, is U.S. Attorney Ronald Machen. If his name sounds familiar, that’s because he’s the guy who was charged with deciding whether to pursue the House’s contempt citation against his boss, Eric Holder, over Fast & Furious. Holder’s deputy, James Cole, wrote a letter to Machen — before he’d even received the citation — to let him know that the Department determined Holder had done nothing wrong and therefore shouldn’t be prosecuted. Machen also happens to be leading the FBI investigation into the leak that involved the DOJ subpoenaing AP reporters’ phone records. The man who authorized those subpoenas was, of course, James Cole, acting as AG after Holder recused himself. Machen’s a loyal soldier, in other words, with a track record of aggressively pursuing access to journalists’ private data to sniff out leaks. If he was asking a judge to give the DOJ prolonged access to Rosen’s accounts, it’s reasonable to assume that it was at Holder’s behest. Especially now that we know Holder personally vetted the warrant.

Tough exit question from Conor Friedersdorf: How much damage to national security did Rosen’s story featuring the big leak about North Korea really do? It’s impossible to know for sure right now, but it might be significant.


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Goebbels married his coffin and his grave.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

President Good Government announced yesterday that he’s ordered the Attorney General to review the DOJ’s guidelines for snooping on reporters.

that’s like asking Oprah to investigate Kentucky Fried Chicken.

hillsoftx on May 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

So the Holder getting sacked thing is next week then?

Stupid cliffhangers….

Gingotts on May 24, 2013 at 4:45 PM

He can’t be the only one who knew about this. It’s plausible that POTUS didn’t know about this, but there has to be at least a few others in DOJ who knew of this – more likely a good plumbers dozen.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Nobrains on the left, how can you support such thugs?

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

“Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Korean Social Democratic Party?”

Electrongod on May 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

“There is no controlling legal authority.”

Thus Spake the Goracle, prophesying more than he knew.

de rigueur on May 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Imagine how dismayed Eric Holder will be when he finds out what Eric Holder’s done.

Ed, AP deserves a raise.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:52 PM

This was then.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

So the judge gave the DOJ the right to snoop on Rosen, forever ?

Now THAT will send a chill down the spines of the media.

So much for warrants needing to be specific.

Who was this clown ?

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 4:53 PM

The Atlantic.

All I needed to know to know this is a BS story.

Come on. North Korea does this every single time they fail to get their bribes.

This was a common sense story. Confirmed but not like North Korea could determine anything by the fact their intentions were known as their intentions are predictable.

Steveangell on May 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

“This calls for a Special Prosecutor. I will appoint the best there is. Eric Holder.” Barrack Obama

pat on May 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Tough exit question from Conor Friedersdorf: How much damage to national security did Rosen’s story featuring the big leak about North Korea really do? It’s impossible to know for sure right now, but it might be significant.

More damage than shredding the Constitutional rights of a journalist whose only “crime” seems to be working for Fox and reporting stuff the administration didn’t want reported. Stalinesque.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Good Lord

gophergirl on May 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

So Holder knew about the spying on reporters but didn’t tell his boss.
White House Counsel and White House Chief of Staff knew about the IRS scandal, but didn’t tell their boss.

Yeah, I’m not buying that.

rbj on May 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

2007 – Obama calls on Gonzales to step down.

whatcat on May 24, 2013 at 4:56 PM

that’s like asking Oprah to investigate Kentucky Fried Chicken.

hillsoftx on May 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

More like asking Col. Sanders to do so.

TXUS on May 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM

So Holder knew about the spying on reporters but didn’t tell his boss.
White House Counsel and White House Chief of Staff knew about the IRS scandal, but didn’t tell their boss.

Yeah, I’m not buying that.

rbj on May 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

No kidding. It’s like a scene from “Clear and Present Danger” meets “Groundhog Day”

Over and over and over again.

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 4:58 PM

I’d call this Watergate 2 but that would be understating the situation by half, at least.

The Book of Daniel talks about a king who rise quickly and falls quickly and slinks off, never to be heard from again.

platypus on May 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Tough exit question from Conor Friedersdorf: How much damage to national security did Rosen’s story featuring the big leak about North Korea really do? It’s impossible to know for sure right now, but it might be significant.

The leaker did the damage, not Rosen. Rosen did his job. Otherwise the NYT w/b hanging by a rope, alas.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

I would suggest that the federal magistrate involved revoke the search warrant and have those who supplied it hauled into court for misrepresenting their case and trying to utilize the temporary power to collect evidence into a permanent one. If he had already done wrong, then the evidence should be easy to find and document. If he hasn’t then trying to wait for months and never filing charges while still keeping the taps going is an abuse of discretionary power granted by the courts.

Judges usually have a dim view of having their authorizations abused like this since it puts them in the hot seat of not conducting proper oversight of that aspect of the investigation. By not requiring a show cause to continue James Rosen is being treated as an enemy of the State without a single piece of evidence in court showing that he is one and without one prosecution starting up due to this evidence collection. This leaves the magistrate open to prosecution by not shutting the surveillance off in a timely manner once it became apparent that DoJ was not finding anything.

ajacksonian on May 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM

These are the kind of lawyers you wouldn’t want on your case if your reputation was at stake.

LeftCoastRight on May 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Re damages: Rosen used the words “sources inside North Korea.”

That’s pretty vague wording – note he didn’t say government. The sources (plural) could have been a foreign government, e.g., China or South Korea.

I’m sure the NK’s went through fits with the report and had the rubber hoses out for suspected leakers. But how is that new?

If the Administration has evidence that a source(s) inside the NK Politburo was outed then we can more critically examine Rosen’s pieces. But I just don’t take the word of this White House on national security issues.

Trust but verify.

SteveMG on May 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Tough exit question from Conor Friedersdorf: How much damage to national security did Rosen’s story featuring the big leak about North Korea really do? It’s impossible to know for sure right now, but it might be significant.

What? Seriously?

Curtiss on May 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Ailes and Murdoch should spare no millions in defense of Rosen and the entire media (even those who should suffocate in Obama’s azz from eating his shit, ongoing).

The ACLU and any remaining liberal on Earth should help.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Good on Ailes

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

ajacksonian on May 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Hey good buddy, you overlooked that the scenario you envisioned assumes ethics exists in the participants. Darn big assumption, if you ask me.

platypus on May 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Wow, that’s a lot of ‘misremembering’ on Holder’s part, to quote nonbrain :)

jimver on May 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

GWB pleaded personally with the NYT not to divulge security secrets. They did anyway and the reporter won a Pulitzer.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

What? Seriously?

Curtiss on May 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Yeah, well, it’s a Fox Reporter, not the New York Times. And this is The Atlantic.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

It is obvious that Holder is toast, and should go.
But, the 800-lb question in the room is:
How much worse will his replacement be?

I struggle to find one Cabinet Officer replacement in this administration that is better than who they have replaced.

Another Drew on May 24, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Good Lord

gophergirl on May 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Good Lord?

Well, God has very little to do with the goings on in the government these days.

The Lord involved here wants a light to be extinguished.

The Lord of Darkness is many, many things but, let me assure you, “Good” ain’t one of them.

IlikedAUH2O on May 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

This whole NK part reminds me of the opening scene in this movie.

platypus on May 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Does anyone sane believe a single word out of this admin?

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

I struggle to find one Cabinet Officer replacement in this administration that is better than who they have replaced.

Another Drew on May 24, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Good point. The “A” Team has done it’s damage and has moved on to greener pastures. Second string has been called in to administer the mess they left.

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Perjury is sooooo ’98.

hungrymongo on May 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

“But did you hear Obowma’s speech yesterday…?” - MSM

Seven Percent Solution on May 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

How much damage to national security did Rosen’s story featuring the big leak about North Korea really do? It’s impossible to know for sure right now, but it might be significant.

Yes, we at the mercy of Kim Tubby Jung because of the story. How did the US ever survive that incident?

whatcat on May 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

I’ll bet Major Garrett is just kicking himself that he left the only news organization worthy of being spied on. No ratings, no relevance. Stuck at a dying network. It could have been him.

Just think of the book deals…just think of the great reporting contract you could negotiate after this. Oh well Major – missed it by a mile.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 5:14 PM

NEWSFLASH……
Eric Holder found himself guilty and has put himself on administrative leave (with pay) for the remainder of Obama’s term.

bandutski on May 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

At least as far as Holder is concerned, you could not get more smoke from the gun if you filled the barrel with wet leaves.

StubbleSpark on May 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

So, WHO was the leaker , leaking to Rosen?
Did the Department of Jihad ever find that out ?

burrata on May 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Holder, Lerner, Shulman, Miller, Darth Sebelius.

Looks like Biden was right. “They gonna put you all back in chains.”

These are chains I can believe in.

StubbleSpark on May 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Not against this at all. Fox News shouldn’t be immune when investigating serious leaks.

rubberneck on May 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Who the frack is running things if there’s President What, Who Me?, Attorney General Sergeant Schultz, IRS Commissioners Say Wut??? and Lois I Didn’t Do Anything Wrong So I Take The Fifth Lerner, who all have selective memory.

tru2tx on May 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Holder asked himself to resign.

He refused and put himself on paid leave.

Work harder, fools.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

So, WHO was the leaker , leaking to Rosen?
Did the Department of Jihad ever find that out ?

burrata on May 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

…some Chinese dude working in the admin.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Not against this at all. Fox News shouldn’t be immune when investigating serious leaks.

rubberneck on May 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

You fruck were against the NYT leaking like a sieve.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Nobrains on the left, how can you support such thugs?

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Shush up racist. I can’t hear Honey Boo Boo.

And get off my ObamaPhone. You’re wearing out the battery.

kim roy on May 24, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Good point. The “A” Team has done it’s damage and has moved on to greener pastures. Second string has been called in to administer the mess they left.

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 5:08 PM

That was the A team? To quote gophergirl, Good Lord!

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Fast and Furious is involved here, IMO. Get those fargin documents, Issa. If DOJ is hacking computers and spying on journalists to hide something, then there’s a LOT of there there.

The Rogue Tomato on May 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Ed, AP deserves a raise.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Above my pay grade! He and I have the same job title.

Ed Morrissey on May 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Or course Obama knew about Holder’s activities. The fact that he never got rid of Holder over that disgraceful lack of prosecution of those New Black Panthers who intimidated PA voters in 2008 supports that Holder has Obama’s full backing and approval.

I also think Obama’s promotion of Victoria Nuland, to assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian affairs, is a tell that confirms of his knowledge and approval of these abuses of power. Those that he didn’t initiate, he certainly agreed to when suggested to him.

INC on May 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM

The Book of Daniel talks about a king who rise quickly and falls quickly and slinks off, never to be heard from again.

platypus on May 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

a “raiser of taxes”

Gingotts on May 24, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Not against this at all. Fox News shouldn’t be immune when investigating serious leaks.

rubberneck on May 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Er? Wut?

What aren’t you against? Fox news? Immunity? Investigations? Leaks? Fox news investigating something? Knowing if there are government leaks?

kim roy on May 24, 2013 at 5:22 PM

So Holder knew about the spying on reporters but didn’t tell his boss.
White House Counsel and White House Chief of Staff knew about the IRS scandal, but didn’t tell their boss.

Yeah, I’m not buying that.

rbj on May 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Just for a millisecond, let’s consider if this was in fact true, and YOU are the boss that has employees making THESE kinds of bone-headed (possibly illegal, definitely severely damaging) types of decisions that THEY haven’t told you about.

How long would those types of employees be in your employ?

UnderstandingisPower on May 24, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Holder asked himself to resign.

He refused and put himself on paid leave.

Work harder, fools.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

I think you think that you’re being funny.

The simple fact is that some of our laws are based on the idea that we can trust our government. That is harder and harder to do with this administration. There is nothing funny about that.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM

So he initiates and insists on policies that increase the likelihood of sexual assault and then he takes Annapolis grads to task about it. How typically Leftist.

INC on May 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Just for a millisecond, let’s consider if this was in fact true, and YOU are the boss that has employees making THESE kinds of bone-headed (possibly illegal, definitely severely damaging) types of decisions that THEY haven’t told you about.

How long would those types of employees be in your employ?

UnderstandingisPower on May 24, 2013 at 5:22 PM

What if you as the boss were occasionally staggering drunk? What then?

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

Obama fundamentally transforms America into a Fascist State (a brief primer)

There was a time when the IRS acted against Al Capone. Now, under Obama, the IRS acts like Al Capone.

There was a time when the DOJ fought crime syndicates. Now, under Obama, the DOJ is a crime syndicate.

There was a time when the FBI investigated crime syndicates. Now, under Obama, the FBI investigates for a crime syndicate.

There was a time when the ATF stopped Gun Running Gangs. Now, under Obama, the ATF is a Gun Running Gang.

There was a time when the TSA protected women’s privacy at airports. Now, under Obama, the TSA inspects women’s privates at airports.

There was a time when the DOD left no man behind. Now, under Obama, every man has to watch his own behind (double meaning applies).

There was a time when people in India dreamed of coming to America to get Health Care. Soon now, under Obama, people in America will dream of going to India to get Health Care.

VorDaj on May 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

What if Holder refuses to step down like Lerner has? Will Obama ask him to resign? Holder has already shown he has no respect for Congress (contempt charge). What is our course going forward?

canditaylor68 on May 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM

And 5 years a crack, I think Holder has committed enough felonies to get at least the next 50 years in prison.

VorDaj on May 24, 2013 at 5:27 PM

“Maybe he just didn’t remember vetting it. You know, the mind can play tricks on your memory.”

– nonpartisan

blink on May 24, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Would it be racist to reference the UNCF slogan and point out that a mind is a terrible thing to waste?

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Ed, AP deserves a raise.
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Above my pay grade! He and I have the same job title.
Ed Morrissey on May 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM

I’d hold off on a pay raise anyway, what with AP taking the Atlantic’s dire warnings seriously.

whatcat on May 24, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Not against this at all. Fox News shouldn’t be immune when investigating serious leaks.

rubberneck on May 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Right. CBS, ABC, CNN, NYT. Those outfits should be immune because of the First Amendment to our Constitution, just not Fox.

I’m telling you, it kills these freaks that it was Fox. If it was the New York Times, Holder would have been perp walked out of the DOJ last week.

“Oh. Damn it. It could have, it should have been me.” What Major Garrett and the rest of the Media are saying right now.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 5:28 PM

So Holder knew about the spying on reporters but didn’t tell his boss.
White House Counsel and White House Chief of Staff knew about the IRS scandal, but didn’t tell their boss.

Yeah, I’m not buying that.

rbj on May 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

It’s impossible to find words to describe the immorality of this administration. It’s a criminal enterprise – like the cesspool from which it was born, Chicago.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: No one who who comes from the Chicago political machine should EVER be allowed to occupy the presidency. NEVER

IMHO, they shouldn’t be allowed to visit as a tourist.

This is all great fodder for pundits and writers, but the damage is scattered across the country and felt by all.

Ignorance isn’t bliss…… it’s the birth of disaster.

Cody1991 on May 24, 2013 at 5:29 PM

IMO Holder targeted Rosen because he knew the original leaker and t/4 could construct a search warrant on Rosen that had at least a small link to wrongdoing. He could then convince a lowly magistrate to sign it, and he had a covert universal key to unlock the secrets of O’d arch enemy, Fox News.

Rosen wasn’t the goal at all: Fox was.

PattyJ on May 24, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Not against this at all. Fox News shouldn’t be immune when investigating serious leaks. Only the NYT and WaPo deserve immunity (see 2001-2009).

Joseph Goebbels on May 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Edited for accuracy.

Del Dolemonte on May 24, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Tough exit question from Conor Friedersdorf: How much damage to national security did Rosen’s story featuring the big leak about North Korea really do? It’s impossible to know for sure right now, but it might be significant.

What? Seriously?
Curtiss on May 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

No, AP has a point, The Norks have already capitalized by obtaining superior technology due to Rosen’s contact with a whistleblower! This is cereal! Really, really cereal!!

whatcat on May 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Imagine how dismayed Eric Holder will be when he finds out what Eric Holder’s done.

Ed, AP deserves a raise.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:52 PM

I agree! More kitty litter and beer.

I love AP!

southernms on May 24, 2013 at 5:38 PM

No, AP has a point, The Norks have already capitalized by obtaining superior technology due to Rosen’s contact with a whistleblower! This is cereal! Really, really cereal!!

whatcat on May 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

OH. Now I understand. This IS serious.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Obama will push and push to see what he can get away with.

When he posted a fraudulent birth certificate and the left/right wing media went along with it, I knew the country was doomed.

faraway on May 24, 2013 at 5:39 PM

OH. Now I understand. This IS serious.
oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Super cereal, indeed!

whatcat on May 24, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Tough exit question from Conor Friedersdorf: How much damage to national security did Rosen’s story featuring the big leak about North Korea really do? It’s impossible to know for sure right now, but it might be significant

Really? How significant??? as significant as Clenis giving China top nuclear sectrets back in the day?

jimver on May 24, 2013 at 5:42 PM

There was a time when the ATF stopped Gun Running Gangs. Now, under Obama, the ATF is a Gun Running Gang.

There was a time when the TSA protected women’s privacy at airports. Now, under Obama, the TSA inspects women’s privates at airports.

There was a time when the DOD left no man behind. Now, under Obama, every man has to watch his own behind (double meaning applies).

There was a time when people in India dreamed of coming to America to get Health Care. Soon now, under Obama, people in America will dream of going to India to get Health Care.

VorDaj on May 24, 2013 at 5:25 PM

This

And I would add that there was also a time when when being a white, Christian conservative was safe…. prior to the Obama administration.

And there was a time when leftist radicals were smart enough not to kill to the goose that laid the golden egg….. no more. They can’t even figure that one out.

Cody1991 on May 24, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Obama will push and push to see what he can get away with.

When he posted a fraudulent birth certificate and the left/right wing media went along with it, I knew the country was doomed.

faraway on May 24, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Absolutely. He knew that if he could get away with that, he could get away with most anything. That is why it can rightfully be said that Obama is a man of a thousand fathers.

VorDaj on May 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM

Absolutely. He knew that if he could get away with that, he could get away with most anything. That is why it can rightfully be said that Obama is a man of a thousand fathers.

VorDaj on May 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM

No. They were just hiding his foreign student scholarships and poor grades, that’s all.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 5:51 PM

When he posted a fraudulent birth certificate and the left/right wing media went along with it, I knew the country was doomed.

faraway on May 24, 2013 at 5:39 PM

If a man is allowed to so carte blanche violate such a bedrock part of the Constitution, Presidential qualifications, why wouldn’t he get the idea that he is above the rest of the Constitution too? Obama’s thinking he is above the United States Constitution had many midwives.

VorDaj on May 24, 2013 at 5:51 PM

The simple fact is that some of our laws are based on the idea that we can trust our government. That is harder and harder to do with this administration. There is nothing funny about that.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

While our country remains untainted with the principles and manners which are now producing desolation in so many parts of the world; while she continues sincere, and incapable of insidious and impious policy, we shall have the strongest reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned us by Providence. But should the people of America once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another, and towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation while it is practising iniquity and extravagance, and displays in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candor, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable habitation in the world; because we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. — John Adams, To The Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts, 11 October 1798.

de rigueur on May 24, 2013 at 5:53 PM

No. They were just hiding his foreign student scholarships and poor grades, that’s all.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Foreign student would surly be enough by itself but don’t for a moment think that’s the whole nine yards or anywhere close.

VorDaj on May 24, 2013 at 5:56 PM

What if Holder refuses to step down like Lerner has? Will Obama ask him to resign? Holder has already shown he has no respect for Congress (contempt charge). What is our course going forward?

canditaylor68 on May 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Holder works at the discretion of the President – He is a political appointee, not a protected bureaucrat

LarryinLA on May 24, 2013 at 5:57 PM

There is nothing funny about that.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

I was dead serious and sober when I wrote that. I didn’t even smirk/smile.

I stand by every word. It is the cutting truth of AmeriKa today.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Imagine how dismayed Eric Holder will be when he finds out what Eric Holder’s done.

Maybe he has multiple personalities. He wakes up one morning wearing clothes he is pretty sure are not his, and it seems a little weird. But more and more as the days go on, he realizes its more than just blank spaces in his memory and strange belongings appearing in his home and office. He finds out he ran guns to Mexico, spied on reporters, threw money around to black farmers, arranged pardons for Mark Rich, and who knows what all.

The poor, poor man. I hope he can get the help he so desperately needs.

Lily on May 24, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Foreign student would surly be enough by itself but don’t for a moment think that’s the whole nine yards or anywhere close.

VorDaj on May 24, 2013 at 5:56 PM

Yeah. They had to tell Mooch that he really wasn’t Kenyan also. I’ll bet there was hell to pay after that one. I can just hear it: “You Son of a Kenyan Goat, you were born in Hawaii? And you had me out on the Senate campaign trail telling everyone you were from Kenya? And you lied to me? What else is there? What do you and Reggie do when you leave for Golf outings?”

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 6:07 PM

The simple fact is that some of our laws are based on the idea that we can trust our government. That is harder and harder to do with this administration. There is nothing funny about that.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM

The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government. But the Constitution which at any time exists, until changed by an explicit and au-thentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all. The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.

All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations under whatever plau- sible character with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction; to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common councils and modified by mutual interests. However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.

Towards the preservation of your government and the permanency of your present happy state, it is requisite not only that you steadily discountenance irregular oppositions to its acknowledged authority but also that you resist with care the spirit of innovation upon its principles, however specious the pretexts…

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indis- pensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to sub-vert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? –George Washington, Farewell Address to the Nation, published 19 September 1796, American Daily Advertiser (Philadelphia, PA)

de rigueur on May 24, 2013 at 6:09 PM

ot: graham and mccain support the nuland nomination

unstinkingbelievable….

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:13 PM

It is obvious that Holder is toast, and should go.

How much worse will his replacement be?

Another Drew on May 24, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Two words.

Hillary Clinton

herm2416 on May 24, 2013 at 6:16 PM

ot: graham and mccain support the nuland nomination

unstinkingbelievable….

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Wait!
What?

Where did you find that?

No WAY!

herm2416 on May 24, 2013 at 6:17 PM

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:13 PM

TGIF..:)

PS..I hope you have a happy Memorial Day!!..:):)

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 6:18 PM

“What’s more, Pyongyang’s next nuclear detonation is but one of four planned actions the Central Intelligence Agency has learned, through sources inside North Korea, that the regime of Kim Jong-Il intends to take — but not announce — once the Security Council resolution is officially passed, likely on Friday.

OMG! We have spies inside N. Korea? Are you friggin’ kidding me? Its no wonder they hate us. We should probably let them nuke us to make amends. This is outrageous. Unacceptable. I hope the President orders the CIA to investigate and determine if the CIA has any spies there.

BobMbx on May 24, 2013 at 6:23 PM

Tough exit question from Conor Friedersdorf: How much damage to national security did Rosen’s story featuring the big leak about North Korea really do? It’s impossible to know for sure right now, but it might be significant….

Perhaps “sources inside North Korea” were caught as a result of this story.

Alternatively, perhaps the North Koreans killed a high-level official, suspecting him of being the leak, when in fact he was both loyal to the regime and important to its ability to function capably.

Or maybe Americans were slightly better informed with no particular consequences.

It is a stretch to say that Rosen’s reporting the info came from a “top” CIA source within the NK government made any difference.

There are too many possibilities to accuse Rosen of exposing a sensitive bit of information.

Are the Norks supposed to be even more suspicious of each other than they normally are because Rosen reported this?

For a start, how would the Norks know that wasn’t disinformation given to Rosen, with the assumption he would report it, to get the Nork’s to start purging each other?

And what about the deliberate leak of info about the bin Laden raid to glorify President Gutsy’s role? Didn’t that compromise sources? Didn’t that compromise the security of SEAL Team members? How is the investigation into those leaks going? What reporters have had their phone records confiscated and their email accounts hacked by the FBI?

farsighted on May 24, 2013 at 6:25 PM

This is 0bama making government cool again.

In case you are wondering its much like making organized crime cool again…as if that ever went out of style.

jukin3 on May 24, 2013 at 6:26 PM

ot: graham and mccain support the nuland nomination

unstinkingbelievable….

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Wait!
What?

Where did you find that?

No WAY!

herm2416 on May 24, 2013 at 6:17 PM

Not outright support… yet. But certainly not making the right noises.

de rigueur on May 24, 2013 at 6:32 PM

This is 0bama making government cool again.

In case you are wondering its much like making organized crime cool again…as if that ever went out of style.

jukin3 on May 24, 2013 at 6:26 PM

What’s up next? Towns in Alabama making the KKK cool again? Munich making the Nazis cool again? Seriously, in generations past the public would not let a President stand with one of the five (and growing) scandals of the rat-eared coward. Why?

BTW, I think this is a record. It is after 6:30pm and the first time I’ve typed rat-eared.

Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 6:34 PM

Remember when the left wanted alberto gonzalez’ head when some attorneys were fired? But everything Holder has done is just fine…

Jack_Burton on May 24, 2013 at 6:37 PM

herm2416 on May 24, 2013 at 6:17 PM

via politico

Dire Straits on May 24, 2013 at 6:18 PM

hey Dire…yes indeedy…you too, ya hear? :)

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:38 PM

de rigueur on May 24, 2013 at 6:32 PM

this is graham and mccain of course they will….

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 6:39 PM

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